Russian special military operation in Ukraine #29

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/defence-blog-pentagon-awards-contract-to-ukrainian-company-for-new-radar-system.html

The U.S. Department of Defense has contracted Ukrainian Iskra company, part of the UkrOboronProm, to supply the new radar system.

huh, this got hit

GarryB wrote:They are already developing replacement helicopters... investing now in tilt rotors would be a waste of energy and money... tiltrotors would remain military only because they could never be made affordable enough to be used commercially... and Russian designers actually said that... regarding high speed helicopters...

my point is: if they had worked on mil. tiltrotors earlier, concurrently with the US, I'm sure they would have a few variants by now. No helo will be able to fly faster & farther w/o refueling. To hell with commercial models, they won't be suitable for frontlines anyway. RF subsidises Aeroflot & would do the same in areas of Far North, Siberia & Far East if/when tiltrotors go there.
The 1st clip says that Russia may be planning to leave Cherson to AFU & then nuke them there. IMO, it's possible as they have nuclear mines & artillery shells, while the US won't be able to stop them.
https://youtu.be/gCQ_PO-ACrw
 
The 2nd elaborates on Ukr. AD vs. drones. Perhaps some1 here with more time can narrate what he said in more detail. https://youtu.be/I2IW_LqW10o

At least two drones shot down on Sevastopol north side, roughly 07:45. Drones heading for Belbek Aerodrome it is presumed. We heard three explosions at that time, well north of our northside. No info as to source of the drones, IOW where in orcland did they take off from.
Auslander

Arkanghelsk wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:List of Ukros:

KVS - Repeatedly told of his Ukrainian heritage

FlamingPython - gave money to ukro family

Miketheterrible - ukro heritage

ALAMO - Polish Ukro

Garryb - pro Ukro

Broski - pro ukro

RTN - Hohol

Valentina Matviyenko - hohol

Putin - crypto hohol

Medinsky - hohol

Peskov - crypto hohol

And many others here are under Ukro spells, talking about brotherly people, and that we should not harm the innocent torch bearing hohols that praise Shukhevych and Bandera

That's some level of trolling.

How else could you call it bro?

I don't have any explanation for what they say, they think it's okay for Russians to die and be destroyed, but not hohols

It's the ultimate bandera mind control running since they gave them Crimea

And we still give them land back

Ukrainism is a disease

Arkhangelsk - Ukrop and SBU agent. Arestovich has worse propaganda than him..

MR HD - A piece of shit that supports Ukraine, the same bastard as Arkhangelsk.

ISOS - a French madman who believes that Rafales are harder to detect than a black hole in space. He writes more and more like RTN.

RTN, LIMB, SEIG - part of ALAMO ZOO, bad people..

ucmvulcan wrote:

Want to hear the funny part   ?
It is 36D6, not 35.
And is a Soviet made system back in the 80s.
They are getting really desperate for Wundewaffe to call that a 40 y/o radar they have improved or something.

GarryB wrote:
It can also fire the same type of missiles the BMP-3, T-54/55, and T-62 can fire... so 5km range kills on moving targets with HEAT rounds effectively.

Well, it is kinda more complicated.
MT-12 is a smoothbore gun in a first place. It uses a 2A29 gun, that is a follow up of T-12/2A19 one.
D-10 is rifled gun.
That makes the T/MT-12 more similar to 2A20 of T-62.
It does fires the same missile of the 9M117 Bastion system, however, it is a different round in each case. For 115 mm it has additional calibration rings etc. The rounds are marked 3UBK10, with a different appendix for each type.
The point is, that those are not exchangeable, and that applies to Bastion, Kan and Arkan missiles.
I am not sure if the missiles for rifled guns are kind of modification, to withstand the rotation or something

When used with T/MT-12, it was even more interesting, as a laser beam apparatus was deployed aside of the gun, on a tripod.

Podlodka77 wrote:
Arkhangelsk - Ukrop and SBU agent.  Arestovich has worse propaganda than him..

MR HD - A piece of shit that supports Ukraine, the same bastard as Arkhangelsk.

ISOS - a French madman who believes that Rafales are harder to detect than a black hole in space. He writes more and more like RTN.

RTN, LIMB, SEIG - part of ALAMO ZOO, bad people..

Well, all of them are typing from the zoo not the last 3 only

10/19/2022
RIA Novosti

"Finally close the sky." What did NATO decide on?


Mobile Norwegian anti-aircraft missile system NASAMS.
Image Source: Photo : Kongsberg


MOSCOW, October 18 - RIA Novosti, Andrey Kots. After strikes on critical Ukrainian infrastructure in the West, they revised their approach to military supplies. Now they want to "close the sky" with the help of air defense systems. However, this is not so easy to do. About what can prevent the implementation of such an attractive idea for Kiev in practice - in the material of RIA Novosti.

Raising rates

The Ukrainian authorities have long been begging the United States for the Patriot air defense system, and from Israel for the Iron Dome. But in Washington they feared that their advanced complex would fall into the hands of the Russians, and Tel Aviv did not want to spoil relations with Moscow.

Since the spring, Western countries have been supplying Kiev mainly with portable anti-aircraft missile systems - the American Stinger, the British Starstreak and Martlet, as well as the Soviet "Needles" from the arsenals of Eastern European countries. In addition, the Armed Forces of Ukraine received more than 30 Gepard anti-aircraft self-propelled guns from Germany. Help is rather symbolic: neither MANPADS nor outdated cannon ZSUs are capable of seriously resisting massive missile strikes.

But NATO is raising the stakes. A battery of German IRIS-T air defense systems arrived in Ukraine - three launchers of eight missiles each. Three more will arrive in the coming months.


IRIS-T launcher
Image source: CC BY-SA 4.0 / Boevaya mashina /

The Pentagon will give Kiev two batteries of US-Norwegian NASAMS anti-aircraft missile systems. However, these plans were announced before October 10. Now other Ukrainian allies are joining the initiative of Washington and Berlin.

Following the meeting of the defense ministers of the countries of the alliance in the Ramstein-4 format, the UK promised several hundred AMRAAM missiles for NASAMS air defense systems and another batch of MANPADS, Spain - four I-HAWK anti-aircraft missile systems, the Netherlands - air defense and missile defense equipment for 15 million euros.

“We will continue to support Kiev for as long as necessary. And we will strengthen our assistance: in particular, we will provide more air defense systems,” NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said. “Ukraine needs various types of long-range and short-range air defense systems, anti-missile defense systems to combat ballistic missiles, drones.

NATO standards

Many experts are convinced that the decision to strengthen Ukrainian air defense was actually made a long time ago. At least six months ago, according to military expert Yuri Knutov.
According to him, this is exactly how much time is needed to prepare the air defense system and train the crews. The goal of the West is to create an integrated air defense system, combined with NATO complexes.


Exercises with live firing from anti-aircraft missile systems of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
Image source: CC BY 2.0 / Press Center of the Command of the Defense Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine / Yuriy Ignat / Combat firing of anti-aircraft missile units

“What Ukraine has is old Soviet developments: S-300P, Buk-M1, S-300V, even S-125 are ancient systems, they modernized them,” Knutov explains. “The last massive missile strike showed that the air defense failed: almost all the targets were destroyed. Now the NATO system will be created, it does not fit in with the current one. Everything will have to be completely purchased abroad - radar stations, anti-aircraft missile systems of various ranges. "

The expert emphasized that the main targets for the updated air defense system will be cruise missiles and kamikaze attack drones. Several IRIS-Ts may well cover a large city.

Overload resistance

On paper, the performance characteristics of Western air defense systems look impressive. However, most of the samples never participated in hostilities. All the more valuable for NATO is their presence in Ukraine.

On the other hand, if the complexes perform poorly, this will serve as anti-advertising for the Western "defense industry" on the international arms market.

“A significant role in the updated unified air defense system of NATO countries is assigned to NASAMS and IRIS-T, so Germany and alliance allies are striving to test them in conjunction with satellite and aerial reconnaissance, united by a single command line,” says military expert Alexei Leonkov. From this point of view, the task of protecting the sky is not paramount. What is more important is how exactly the Armed Forces of Ukraine will use the delivered copies - in urban areas, fields, forest belts. Moreover, Russian aircraft have aviation weapons that allow them to perform tasks without entering the zone of operation of Western air defense systems. "


Mobile anti-aircraft missile system NASAMS
Image Source: CC0 / Ministerie van Defensie /

The most technologically advanced complex that Ukraine will receive is the US-Norwegian NASAMS, two batteries of nine launchers each. In the usual version with AIM-120C anti-missiles, the range does not exceed 25 kilometers. The NASAMS-2 modification with AMRAAM-ER missiles can hit targets at a distance of up to 70 kilometers and at an altitude of up to 20 thousand meters. This is comparable to the characteristics of the Russian Buk-M3 air defense system.

NASAMS also has significant drawbacks. AMRAAM missiles do not have thrust vectoring systems, and therefore maneuverability is mediocre. They are capable of destroying targets with overloads of no more than 15 G. Thus, the air defense system is useless against missiles of the Iskander-M and Kinzhal complexes, however, it will cause certain problems for the Kalibr, as well as the Kh-101 and Kh-555 aircraft.

German IRIS-T with a shorter range - about 20 kilometers, but they hit objects maneuvering with overloads up to 25 G. These installations are designed primarily to deal with low-flying cruise missiles. Each Iris division can simultaneously intercept more than ten air targets and operate in a passive mode from an optical-electronic guidance station installed at the command post. At the same time, the guidance radar does not need to be turned on, which significantly complicates the opening of the firing position of the air defense system in urban areas.

not enough for the country

France promised the Crotale air defense system. How much is not specified. These short-range anti-aircraft systems, put into service in 1971, have been modernized more than once. The most modern version hits low-flying high-speed targets at a distance of up to ten kilometers. The launcher can be mounted on wheeled, tracked vehicles, as well as on ships and stationary objects.


MIM-23 Hawk medium-range anti-aircraft missile system
Image Source: Photo : U.S. Army Photo / Pfc. Nicholas Vidro

The Spanish MIM-23 Hawk air defense systems are American-made medium-range systems. The Pentagon armed them back in 1960. Their Soviet counterpart, the S-125 air defense system, was decommissioned by the Russian army in the 1990s. Hawk strikes air targets at a distance of up to 35 kilometers, but is unlikely to cope with a modern aircraft covered by electronic warfare.

However, any air defense system is precisely a system, and not separate anti-aircraft missile systems and radar stations. And it is not yet clear whether Kyiv, with the help of its Western allies, will be able to create an effective air shield. It is obvious that a few batteries, at best, will cover two-thirds of the city. To create a reliable, in-depth air defense system, supplies of a completely different level are needed.

https://vpk.name/news/642937_nakonec_zakroem_nebo_na_chto_reshilis_v_nato.html

And how in detail Ukros deprived of skilled personnel are supposed to make this zoo running?

ALAMO wrote:And how in detail Ukros deprived of skilled personnel are supposed to make this zoo running?

That will explain your ZOO species in detail to all of us during the day..  


Ukraine after the start of a campaign of strikes on energy infrastructure. Satellite image from October 17th.

A friend of mine is an ex AD battalion commander.
He graduated 2 years of military college for that purpose, but after that, he needed half a year of extensive training to operate ZSU-23-4 in particular.
Operators were trained for a year.
And that was quite easy to master system, with low complication, and made in the Soviet school. So familiar to the cadres already, they just switched from ZU-23-2.
This whole circus represents only one thing. NATO owns no bloody reserves, and those are not standardized. Each country in NATO has its own assets, own systems, and I have no clue how this even can work together. Ther is no bloody way that a skilled AD operator from Poland can just take the delivered spare system provided by other allied member state and fight with it. Same applies to the Germans, as the MEADS is not a Patriot, Iris is not NASAM etc. Same applies to the French, as they have very own systems nobody uses and knows.
To place it into perspective, Feb2022 Ukrs owned about 250 pcs of S-300PS system. TWO HUNDRED FIFTY. Along with about 80 pcs of Buk-M and Buk-M1 pieces, +/-40 S-125 on stationary positions.
They should have hell of 2K12 Kub systems, as they have offered them for export in modified version called Kvadrat 2D.
They have owned some 200 of Osa, dozens of 2K22 Tunguska, and multiple Tor units.
Now, the western shitstream is trying to tell us, that providing them 20-30 pcs of different systems nobody in Ukr knows how to operate, maintain, repair etc will be a gamechanger.
Another Wunderwaffe, anoder gamechanger, while the only reason is to pretend that they are so fukin' helpful and mighty. Maybe Ukrs will die for that a month longer.

ALAMO wrote:A friend of mine is an ex AD battalion commander.
He graduated 2 years of military college for that purpose, but after that, he needed half a year of extensive training to operate ZSU-23-4 in particular.
Operators were trained for a year.
And that was quite easy to master system, with low complication, and made in the Soviet school. So familiar to the cadres already, they just switched from ZU-23-2.
This whole circus represents only one thing. NATO owns no bloody reserves, and those are not standardized. Each country in NATO has its own assets, own systems, and I have no clue how this even can work together. Ther is no bloody way that a skilled AD operator from Poland can just take the delivered spare system provided by other allied member state and fight with it. Same applies to the Germans, as the MEADS is not a Patriot, Iris is not NASAM etc. Same applies to the French, as they have very own systems nobody uses and knows.
To place it into perspective, Feb2022 Ukrs owned about 250 pcs of S-300PS system. TWO HUNDRED FIFTY. Along with about 80 pcs of Buk-M and Buk-M1 pieces, +/-40 S-125 on stationary positions.
They should have hell of 2K12 Kub systems, as they have offered them for export in modified version called Kvadrat 2D.
They have owned some 200 of Osa, dozens of 2K22 Tunguska, and multiple Tor units.
Now, the western shitstream is trying to tell us, that providing them 20-30 pcs of different systems nobody in Ukr knows how to operate, maintain, repair etc will be a gamechanger.
Another Wunderwaffe, anoder gamechanger, while the only reason is to pretend that they are so fukin' helpful and mighty. Maybe Ukrs will die for that a month longer.

NATO is nothing but a sales force for the US MIC.
The job of NATO is to hold seminars and sign up contracts with new member to cough up 2% of their GDP to buy way over priced "NATO Standard" gear from the US MIC.

That's it, NATO do nothing else significant.

When they do drills, that's just a trade show to try and lure more countries to sign up.

Would much rather see these systems taken out as they arrive in the country or via sabotage as they arrive in Poland or wherever.

I’m surprised Russia doesn’t have better human intel on these shipments so they can be pounded as they arrive by train or plane in the way that israelis do when Iranian gear lands in Syria etc.

Knocking them out before up and running would be rather humiliating for NATO.

Not sure if part of the BIG uki offensive by them or not but some action there being reported.

https://t.me/intelslava/39588

* 09:33 AFU went on the offensive in the Berislav direction
According to "Come and See", Ukrainian troops began to advance in the direction of Berislav.
Up to 1,000 people went into battle, consisting of two battalions, supported by cannon artillery and many UAVs.

* 09:35 The movement of the Armed Forces of Ukraine began in the Kherson direction.
The enemy forces began to advance in the direction of Novaya Kamenka - Berislav with forces consisting of two battalions. They are supported by cannon artillery, UAVs in the sky.

* 09:38 In Kherson, the evacuation of the civilian population continued in the morning. As part of the planned activities this week, up to 60,000 people will be evacuated from the right-bank Kherson region

* 09:39 Ukrainian Armed Forces attempted to shell Kherson, air defense systems shot down 5 missiles - emergency services

* 09:40 After the Security Council with Putin and Medvedev there will be a new meeting of the Federation Council.
Matviyenko proposed to take a break in the work of the senators just in time for the Security Council, and then continue at 17:00 Moscow time.

* 09:47 The destruction of at least three enemy tanks between Pyatikhatka and Sukhanovo was confirmed.

* 09:53 Russian forces destroying American M-777 howitzer
https://t.me/intelslava/39593

My Grand- Mother ( RIP ) visited me once , and we went on a shopping trip together , speaking out in our own language . An Indian or Pakistani Shopkeeper took the money in exchange for some goods , and was about to give back some change to us . Before he did , my Grand - Mother , turned to me and said in our own Persian language "  ...He thinks , we are foreigners and don't t understand money and wants to short - change us ! " The shopkeeper to my knowledge , had shown no overt indication that he was about to cheat us , let alone indicate for what reason . Sure enough , a few seconds later , he short - changed us ! And we then asked for the right change !

This means that , she was far more observant and intelligent and experienced than me . She could predict these situations and was ready to take corrective and defensive measures at that very time , to protect her interests . But I still make mistakes , and usually expect the best of people , but I do get abuse by people . I usually tend to over-think problems and  rarely over - react . I end up feeling hard done by , and carry grudges for a number of years !

Therefore my psychology and coping mechanism is faulty . I do expect the best in people , when I am old enough , and should expect the opposite . When harm comes my way , I over - think the problem and don't t react appropriately . Why is this important ? Well in any political system , ultimately the decision falls on a small group of people , regarding what to do . And if their psychology is maladaptive like mine , then they do not make the right decisions . But knowing oneself and knowing what to do and using experience about human nature and preparedness and appropriate response is a difficult task . Do you know yourself ?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_mechanism

Reality Theories, Eva K Bartlett
Forwarded from RT News
Ukrainian Official Slates Bayraktar Drones in Prank Call

Sergey Pashinsky admitted that Turkish-made Bayraktar drones, hailed by Western media as a game changer, have no combat effectiveness due to their extreme vulnerability to air defense systems in a mock interview with Russian pranksters Vovan and Lexus.

Believing he was speaking to former US ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul, the Ukrainian official claimed “there is more PR and corruption in Bayraktar than combat use,” adding that all such drones Kiev had when the conflict began were “shot down within a week.”

Pashinsky also confessed in the prank interview, which was apparently recorded a few weeks ago, that Ukraine coordinates its military operations with Washington, suggesting that the US approved the Crimean Bridge attack.

@Airbornewolf any idea what hit that? insane footage....mother of god https://odysee.com/@airbornewolf:8/Ukrainian-BMP-blown-out-of-existence:a

It would be impressive if Russia repelled this current offensive in Kherson...

billybatts91 wrote:It would be impressive if Russia repelled this current offensive in Kherson...

https://twitter.com/ilciclistainblu/status/1582669982063726594

The Governor of Kherson ordered an evacuation, because he thinks Ukraine are going to blow up the dam, and flood the place.

Erk wrote:
The Governor of Kherson ordered an evacuation, because he thinks Ukraine are going to blow up the dam, and flood the place.

AFAIK he only ordered regional authorities to assist the evacuation of those people who were themselves personally concerned about the security situation, and who are worried about abritrary Ukropi shelling against population centers.  Only ~350 people were involved.

I doubt that the Ukro trash have anything in their kaboom inventory that can breach a Soviet-designed dam that was over-engineered to withstand massive attacks.  Maybe if they could sieze it for long enough to plant massive quantities of demo charges, but these clowns will be very lucky to even get within sight of the dam on Kakhovka Reservoir.

Edit: Ah, I think there has been movement on this story since.  They are now talking about moving 50-60k people? My bad if that is the case.

Big_Gazza wrote:

Erk wrote:
The Governor of Kherson ordered an evacuation, because he thinks Ukraine are going to blow up the dam, and flood the place.

AFAIK he only ordered regional authorities to assist the evacuation of those people who were themselves personally concerned about the security situation, and who are worried about abritrary Ukropi shelling against population centers.  Only ~350 people were involved.

I doubt that the Ukro trash have anything in their kaboom inventory that can breach a Soviet-designed dam that was over-engineered to withstand massive attacks.  Maybe if they could sieze it for long enough to plant massive quantities of demo charges, but these clowns will be very lucky to even get within sight of the dam on Kakhovka Reservoir.

Edit: Ah, I think there has been movement on this story since.  They are now talking about moving 50-60k people?  My bad if that is the case.

Read here:
https://www.rt.com/russia/564930-kherson-region-civilians-fighting/

And here:
https://tass.com/politics/1524691

Big_Gazza wrote:

Erk wrote:
The Governor of Kherson ordered an evacuation, because he thinks Ukraine are going to blow up the dam, and flood the place.

AFAIK he only ordered regional authorities to assist the evacuation of those people who were themselves personally concerned about the security situation, and who are worried about abritrary Ukropi shelling against population centers.  Only ~350 people were involved.

I doubt that the Ukro trash have anything in their kaboom inventory that can breach a Soviet-designed dam that was over-engineered to withstand massive attacks.  Maybe if they could sieze it for long enough to plant massive quantities of demo charges, but these clowns will be very lucky to even get within sight of the dam on Kakhovka Reservoir.

Edit: Ah, I think there has been movement on this story since.  They are now talking about moving 50-60k people?  My bad if that is the case.

Right side of the river with the Kherson city is in natural disadvantage - thus Ukraine forces have theoretical chances to take some of those areas. Population must be evacuated since both sides are preparing for heavy fighting and front lines will get blurred and close to the settlements. Russian side is building big fortifications for some time already in anticipation of Ukrainian pressure. So we will see what will happen next couple of days.

The hysteria over how many people are being evacuated in Kherson is absurd. Is this supposed to be some massive victory by
the Kiev regime? So now attacks on civilians are considered military achievements? GTFO.

kvs wrote:The hysteria over how many people are being evacuated in Kherson is absurd.   Is this supposed to be some massive victory by
the Kiev regime?   So now attacks on civilians are considered military achievements?   GTFO.  

I suppose the only real cause of that is the possibility of breaching the dam.
Civilians are being evacuated to make this option less tasty for the Ukrs.