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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:16 am

    Backman wrote:Holy F. There better not be.

    Dmitry Peskov -  spox of the presidential office:

    We do not see a negotiation perspective, there are no prerequisites for such communication.

    You never know , erdogan is saying he will negotiate for peace

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:17 am

    Azi wrote:+++Russia is evacuating border villages near the border with Ukraine+++

    +++Azeris are attacking Armenia inside of Armenia, not Karabakh+++

    Crazy week!  Suspect


    What?
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:19 am

    Ukraine and Russia interested in nuclear plant ceasefire – UN

    IAEA chief Rafael Grossi says Moscow and Kiev are “engaging” on Zaporozhye proposal

    So Peskov is throwing smoke signals - and here the traitors are the ones who call for the army to be sent in

    But the ones negotiating with Ukraine, are the patriots
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    Post  Azi Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:19 am

    limb wrote:For all you clowns calling on Arkhangelsk to get to the front, that would be counterproductive. He cant make  tactical decisions there, so his impact would be the same as in his room.

    The Russian MoD should allow Arkhangelsk, me, azi,  papadragon and thegopnik to become part of the general staff. Bbb ut we dont have military education youll tell us, well neither does shoigu or the bozos who arent reinforcing ugledar or lyman and said that armed drones arent needed .We dont do gestures of goodwill too, so that automatically makes him and us better generals than whatever Russia has
    The problem is not military, it's political! During the operation the politicians told the generals what to do and what not do...reducing collateral damage etc. Instead it should be vice versa...the politicians should ask the generals what they need and give them free hands! You want to use conscripts? Do it! You want a partial mobilization? We will do it for you!
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:21 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:

    More disinformation to lull the enemy into advancing further and becoming more bold is my guess

    Any Tom Dick or Harry can tell you there is nobody to negotiate with in the Ukraine

    So you are all the way in on this theory

    Well I hope the army starts to roll sometime soon

    Because this is alarming shit

    You better be prepared to be more alarmed

    Because if it doesn't fool the enemy then it won't work

    And of course NATO is not full of idiots. They will be cautious and expect the unexpected.
    However if there's one constant throughout all of human history - is that greed wins out, and so does hubris

    Create tempting enough conditions for the Ukrainians to commit to their advance fully, and keep up appearances about being in a panic, disorganized, uncoordinated and divided for long enough - and they will eventually go for it, and move to where you want them to, even despite any misgivings.


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    Post  Hole Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:21 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:So come to your own conclusions.

    And those are?...

    Any Russian motor-rifles or armour-tank division in Russia or Belarus
    Any Naval Infantry unit
    Would have been there in 2-3 days, 4 tops

    Or do you believe they are all engaged in the Ukraine at the moment?
    The conclusion is that the regrouping was planned even before the UkroNazis "attacked". The videos of the "reinforcements" were a maskirovka. The Mi-26 helicopters bringing in troops and vehicles belong also this category. The Ukros should think that there are more forces coming there way when in fact they moved out and shortened the frontline (which
    isn´t the correct term because there never was an actual classical front to speak of).

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    Post  Azi Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:21 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    Azi wrote:+++Russia is evacuating border villages near the border with Ukraine+++

    +++Azeris are attacking Armenia inside of Armenia, not Karabakh+++

    Crazy week!  Suspect


    What?
    Evacuation due to artillery fire. One man died because of artillery fire...today or yesterday I'm not sure.

    No offensive so far on Russia! lol! But Ukraine asked USA for more weapons for attacks on Russian Mainland in 2023, according to WSJ.
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    Post  Backman Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:23 am

    This is fuct.

    The enemy is concentrating equipment almost along the entire front line in Zaporizhzhia Region, - Rogov

    The movement of US M-777 howitzers and MLRS to the frontline has been spotted in several directions at once along the Stepnogorsk-Novoyakovlevka-Orekhov-Hulyai Polye-Volye Pole line, VGA member Vladimir Rogov said.

    ▪"Now our Army is facing the difficult task of identifying the direction of the main strike promptly.
    It is important not to miss the enemy's offensive so we won't have to talk about regrouping," he said.
    It will all depend on the quality of the intelligence, its analysis, and timely military decisions.
    ▪"Information (from RT's military correspondents) about intense fighting near Vasylivka, Zaporizhzhia region, is not confirmed. It is quiet all evening and at the moment, no missiles are observed in the sky," Rogov added.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:25 am

    flamming_python wrote:


    You better be prepared to be more alarmed

    Because if it doesn't fool the enemy then it won't work

    And of course NATO is not full of idiots. They will be cautious and expect the unexpected.
    However if there's one constant throughout all of human history - is that greed wins out, and so does hubris

    Create tempting enough conditions for the Ukrainians to commit to their advance fully, and keep up appearances about being in a panic, disorganized, uncoordinated and divided for long enough - and they will eventually go for it, and move to where you want them to, even despite any misgivings.

    How do you know that's the plan? How do you know that they're not negotiating a deal ?

    What makes you so confident
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    Post  Hole Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:26 am

    From Twitter sources: Russian Permanent Representative to the EU Vladimir Chizhov said that he would leave Brussels in the near future in connection with the completion of a business trip that lasted 17 years: it is no longer comfortable to act as a living monument.




    Slavyangrad:
    Absolute "radio silence" from all Russian military and paramilitary sources. There is a verse in one song - " so silent before a storm, awaiting command..." Awaiting attacks? Probably. Even no info about kalibrovka...

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:28 am

    Hole wrote:From Twitter sources: Russian Permanent Representative to the EU Vladimir Chizhov said that he would leave Brussels in the near future in connection with the completion of a business trip that lasted 17 years: it is no longer comfortable to act as a living monument.




    Slavyangrad:
    Absolute "radio silence" from all Russian military and paramilitary sources. There is a verse in one song - " so silent before a storm, awaiting command..." Awaiting attacks? Probably. Even no info about kalibrovka...

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    Post  Azi Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:32 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:

    More disinformation to lull the enemy into advancing further and becoming more bold is my guess

    Any Tom Dick or Harry can tell you there is nobody to negotiate with in the Ukraine

    So you are all the way in on this theory

    Well I hope the army starts to roll sometime soon

    Because this is alarming shit
    Create tempting enough conditions for the Ukrainians to commit to their advance fully, and keep up appearances about being in a panic, disorganized, uncoordinated and divided for long enough - and they will eventually go for it, and move to where you want them to, even despite any misgivings.
    Kharkov? Really? Suspect The terrain favors the defender (Ukraine), in contrast to Kherson. Especially Izyum and Chuguev is a huge clusterfuck, surrounded by woods...any Russian counterattack would suffer serious losses.

    Only an absolute MORON and IDIOT would think that some kind of russian counteroffensive will be cared out in the Kharkov region in the next 3-5 months!!! The ground becomes muddy and doesn't freeze properly again until late December and January. Till this Ukrainians have enough time to dug in and fortify the positions. The hardest battles were thought for Kharkiv and Izyum...Russia lost most of their troops at the beginning of the operation in this special region. If they do the counteroffensive not now (next 2-3 weeks) the next timeframe will be earliest January. Now it would be the best moment for a counteroffensive, Ukrainians are only roaming the area in small groups and are busy with killing and torturing civilians (according to many here in the forum a good necessary thing...part of the "masterplan") they have not established a proper defense.


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    Post  SolidarityWithRussia Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:33 am

    Maybe the worst explanation for the retreat would be that Russia is blackmailed because of the NPP or some other means of mass destruction weapons threatened by the desperate UAF, but that is just a wild guess. Probably this is not the case.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:38 am

    calripson wrote:
    billybatts91 wrote:Without a full mobilization and an escalation by Russia in Ukraine. This war will be lost. Ukraine is getting too many high-end, effective weapons and they have too many soldiers right now for Russia to accomplish anything in eastern Ukraine. Russia will be on the backfoot constantly if they leave things as they are currently.

    The best alternative for Russia at this point is a negotiated settlement with the least amount of humiliation possible followed by Putin's departure. What exactly will full mobilization accomplish? NATO can still up the ante technologically - there are no Ukrainians flying around in F-22s - so it is not as if Russia has some secret conventional military technology they haven't yet deployed. NATO has demonstrated that they can mitigate Russia's strike capability and totally deny Russia air superiority. They appear to have full situational awareness and probably communication and EW dominance. How else do you explain Ukraine's ability to move their force structure at will? Russia's production capacity for high tech weapons may be stretched - NATO countries can produce weapons (safe from shortages of essential components) till the cows come home. Energy is not going to be the ace in the hole Putin thought. China hasn't lifted a finger to help Russia - China's direct entry into the war materially and with manpower would change the outcome, but I see little odds of this happening. Ukraine may have the demographics of a panda, but so do ethnic Russians. I seriously doubt there is much will among Russians to see their young men expended in a meat grinder that could go on for years. Putin rolled the dice after blithering  inaction for years. The Orange Revolution was in 2004. Did they spend the next 10 years preparing for 2014? Developing non-lethal crowd control techniques? Contingency plans? The ability to legitimately contest the lawful presidency in Ukraine? In 2014, all those regions of Ukraine with minimal Russian military intervention would have declared autonomy from an illegitimate coup government and they would have had a strong case.

    LOL

    Everyone was so triumphant when the Ukraine threw 10k men under the treads just two weeks ago above Kherson. It was the same Ukrainian army and commanders, the same invincible NATO which has mitigated all Russia's everything, the same stretched Russian high-tech weapons and production capacities, the same Russian panda demographics, the same NATO uber-weapons such as the Javelin, HIMARS and M113 APC, etc... but the advancing troops were absolutely creamed and did not gain an inch of ground for longer than 48h without Russia even breaking a sweat

    But now that Russia's pulling off some maskirovka and deception suddenly the talk is about Putin stepping down and a meat grinder for years

    Get out of it.


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    Post  Werewolf Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:38 am

    5% hopes for FOAB, but I will be let down again.

    The situation right now is, there is something in the bush and everybody waits for them to come out.

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    Post  Azi Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:38 am

    Hole wrote:From Twitter sources: Russian Permanent Representative to the EU Vladimir Chizhov said that he would leave Brussels in the near future in connection with the completion of a business trip that lasted 17 years: it is no longer comfortable to act as a living monument.




    Slavyangrad:
    Absolute "radio silence" from all Russian military and paramilitary sources. There is a verse in one song - " so silent before a storm, awaiting command..." Awaiting attacks? Probably. Even no info about kalibrovka...
    Interesting! scratch

    I hope and pray for a big storm! pirat

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:39 am

    flamming_python wrote:

    LOL

    Everyone was so triumphant when the Ukraine threw 10k men under the treads just two weeks ago above Kherson. It was the same Ukrainian army and commanders, the same invincible NATO which has mitigated all Russia's everything, the same stretched Russian high-tech weapons and production capacities, the same Russian panda demographics, the same NATO uber-weapons such as the Javelin, HIMARS and M111 APC, etc... but the advancing troops were absolutely creamed and did not gain an inch of ground for longer than 48h without Russia even breaking a sweat

    But now that Russia's pulling off some maskirovka and deception suddenly the talk is about Putin stepping down and a meat grinder for years

    Get out of it.

    How do you know they were expecting Kherson and not surprised in Kharkov?

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:40 am

    Azi wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:

    More disinformation to lull the enemy into advancing further and becoming more bold is my guess

    Any Tom Dick or Harry can tell you there is nobody to negotiate with in the Ukraine

    So you are all the way in on this theory

    Well I hope the army starts to roll sometime soon

    Because this is alarming shit
    Create tempting enough conditions for the Ukrainians to commit to their advance fully, and keep up appearances about being in a panic, disorganized, uncoordinated and divided for long enough - and they will eventually go for it, and move to where you want them to, even despite any misgivings.
    Kharkov? Really? Suspect The terrain favors the defender (Ukraine), in contrast to Kherson. Especially Izyum and Chuguev is a huge clusterfuck, surrounded by woods...any Russian counterattack would suffer serious losses.

    Only an absolute MORON and IDIOT would think that some kind of russian counteroffensive will be cared out in the Kharkov region in the next 3-5 months!!! The ground becomes muddy and doesn't freeze properly again until late December and January. Till this Ukrainians have enough time to dug in and fortify the positions. The hardest battles were thought for Kharkiv and Izyum...Russia lost most of their troops at the beginning of the operation in this special region. If they do the counteroffensive not now (next 2-3 weeks) the next timeframe will be earliest January. Now it would be the best moment for a counteroffensive, Ukrainians are only roaming the area in small groups and are busy with killing and torturing civilians (according to many here in the forum a good necessary thing...part of the "masterplan") they have not established a proper defense.

    Well then it won't be carried out in Kharkov, but around and above it then. Since you're such an expert in batallion-level mobility and eastern Ukrainian geography.
    Recall the Romans used to say the same thing about Hannibal. That he's not going to cross the Alps with those elephants. Only he did, they weren't ready for it, and then they were in big trouble.

    Russia lost most of their troops.. don't even know what to say to that Razz

    Yes, trust in the 'masterplan'.
    Or I'll post that Darth Vader force choke meme again

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:42 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:

    LOL

    Everyone was so triumphant when the Ukraine threw 10k men under the treads just two weeks ago above Kherson. It was the same Ukrainian army and commanders, the same invincible NATO which has mitigated all Russia's everything, the same stretched Russian high-tech weapons and production capacities, the same Russian panda demographics, the same NATO uber-weapons such as the Javelin, HIMARS and M111 APC, etc... but the advancing troops were absolutely creamed and did not gain an inch of ground for longer than 48h without Russia even breaking a sweat

    But now that Russia's pulling off some maskirovka and deception suddenly the talk is about Putin stepping down and a meat grinder for years

    Get out of it.

    How do you know they were expecting Kherson and not surprised in Kharkov?


    Because the Ukrs were talking about attacking one or the other

    Then they attacked one, the logical thing would be to expect an attack on the other one just in case

    And it's been going on for about a week now so if Russia decided to put a stop to this party it would have.

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    Post  Erk Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:50 am

    SolidarityWithRussia wrote:Maybe the worst explanation for the retreat would be that Russia is blackmailed because of the NPP or some other means of mass destruction weapons threatened by the desperate UAF, but that is just a wild guess. Probably this is not the case.

    More likely the Russians pulled out their troops back to Russia for there military show they had recently.
    Whatever it was, it seems the Russian public on social media are angry about it, and want Putin to escalate.
    But Putin will never know, because he doesn't even have a smartphone, let alone read social media.



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    Post  Azi Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:52 am

    SolidarityWithRussia wrote:Maybe the worst explanation for the retreat would be that Russia is blackmailed because of the NPP or some other means of mass destruction weapons threatened by the desperate UAF, but that is just a wild guess. Probably this is not the case.

    Impossible! So why retreating from Kharkov? Why not all of Ukraine? Makes no sense!

    Only 3 options possible....

    - Russia flat-footed in Kharkov (possible but more unlikely)
    - Retreat for a CASUS BELLI Wink (very possible)
    - Retreat because of a trap and counterattack (unlikely)

    The most realistic scenario is that the retreat from Kharkov will lead to a casus belli and the special operation will change to something different, maybe a war. There are plenty of reasons for a casus belli, massacre on civilan population in Kharkov...the attack on russian villages in Belgorod region. After the war or something in this direction is decleared...my estimation is 2-4 weeks from now on...things will get really hot.

    If Russia just continues with the special operation exactly like it is now, they will lose the war 99 %. Ukraine is beging for more and sophisticated weapon systems. USA is active working to rally the NATO countries for sending heavy weapon systems...like Leopard 2 and modern IFVs. Ukraine has still too much meat Sad and as someone with military experience I can tell you that after 2 months of training every ordinary civilian is at 75-85 % perfomance compared to the best special operation soldiers...only difference is fear, but this factor can be eliminated with a good command.

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    Post  Azi Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:55 am

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    SolidarityWithRussia wrote:Maybe the worst explanation for the retreat would be that Russia is blackmailed because of the NPP or some other means of mass destruction weapons threatened by the desperate UAF, but that is just a wild guess. Probably this is not the case.

    More likely the Russians pulled out their troops back to Russia for there military show they had recently.
    Whatever it was, it seems the Russian public on social media are angry about it, and want Putin to escalate.
    But Putin will never know, because he doesn't even have a smartphone, let alone read social media.
    That's not true X-D haha! He has not an ordinary smartphone, his phone is encyrpted and special...like the phone of nearly all presidents of the world. But I would lose my respect if Putin would have a Insta or twitter account. I think a lot of people would lose respect...he is not a degenerated third class US president!
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:58 am

    JohninMK wrote:Following last Sunday's elections it looks like the groundswell of dissatisfaction in what is being done in their name in Ukraine is growing, these politicians reflecting what they have heard from their voters.

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    Probably liberal and Navalny deputies ordered out of the woodworks to act in concert with the Western psyops offensive

    Anyone go the names of said politicians? Will be interesting to take a look russia

    Otherwise, pay the white noise no mind, as Martynov would say

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    Post  Azi Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:02 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Following last Sunday's elections it looks like the groundswell of dissatisfaction in what is being done in their name in Ukraine is growing, these politicians reflecting what they have heard from their voters.

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    Probably liberal and Navalny deputies ordered out of the woodworks to act in concert with the Western psyops offensive

    Anyone go the names of said politicians? Will be interesting to take a look russia

    Otherwise, pay the white noise no mind, as Martynov would say
    As far as I have information on this the deputies are not asking for intensifing the special operation, they are asking for a ceasefire and complete withdrawal of Russia. So they hope that sanctions will be lifted and they can again eat some french lobster, truffle and drink champagne. But maybe I'm wrong...?! dunno

    TRAITORS!

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:03 am

    In fact I found the Twitter account of that 'Ksenia Torstrem', an alleged municipal deputy in St. Petersburg city
    https://twitter.com/kseniathorstrom

    For an elected representative her Twitter presence is awfully quiet.

    In fact all her posts but one were done within the last 3 days and all concern this 'disaster' in Kharkov. Despite her having been registered on Twitter since 2019
    Her bio indicates nothing more than that she is a 'municipal deputy'
    And her sole other post, dating from 2021, relates to supporting the Navalny protests at the time against the police

    No other names are mentioned in that Guardian hit piece so you can safely use that article as toilet paper
    I did find a list of names on her Twitter post, but I frankly can't be bothered to look them up. You can judge them by the company they keep.

    She may be real, the 5th column does flare up from time to time in support of their Washington masters and much more blatantly than they did before the start of the war. Like they're really pulling no punches about whose side they're on.
    However most likely she's not who she says he is and is just a hired Ukr propaganda tool. If she was a real deputy, she would have more of an online presence.
    Arestovich has even posted on her post:



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