Russian special military operation in Ukraine #24

Backman wrote:Holy F. There better not be.

Dmitry Peskov -  spox of the presidential office:

We do not see a negotiation perspective, there are no prerequisites for such communication.

Azi wrote:+++Russia is evacuating border villages near the border with Ukraine+++

+++Azeris are attacking Armenia inside of Armenia, not Karabakh+++

Crazy week!  

limb wrote:For all you clowns calling on Arkhangelsk to get to the front, that would be counterproductive. He cant make  tactical decisions there, so his impact would be the same as in his room.

The Russian MoD should allow Arkhangelsk, me, azi,  papadragon and thegopnik to become part of the general staff. Bbb ut we dont have military education youll tell us, well neither does shoigu or the bozos who arent reinforcing ugledar or lyman and said that armed drones arent needed .We dont do gestures of goodwill too, so that automatically makes him and us better generals than whatever Russia has

Arkanghelsk wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

More disinformation to lull the enemy into advancing further and becoming more bold is my guess

Any Tom Dick or Harry can tell you there is nobody to negotiate with in the Ukraine

So you are all the way in on this theory

Well I hope the army starts to roll sometime soon

Because this is alarming shit

flamming_python wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

flamming_python wrote:So come to your own conclusions.

And those are?...

Any Russian motor-rifles or armour-tank division in Russia or Belarus
Any Naval Infantry unit
Would have been there in 2-3 days, 4 tops

Or do you believe they are all engaged in the Ukraine at the moment?

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Azi wrote:+++Russia is evacuating border villages near the border with Ukraine+++

+++Azeris are attacking Armenia inside of Armenia, not Karabakh+++

Crazy week!  

What?

flamming_python wrote:


You better be prepared to be more alarmed

Because if it doesn't fool the enemy then it won't work

And of course NATO is not full of idiots. They will be cautious and expect the unexpected.
However if there's one constant throughout all of human history - is that greed wins out, and so does hubris

Create tempting enough conditions for the Ukrainians to commit to their advance fully, and keep up appearances about being in a panic, disorganized, uncoordinated and divided for long enough - and they will eventually go for it, and move to where you want them to, even despite any misgivings.

Hole wrote:From Twitter sources: Russian Permanent Representative to the EU Vladimir Chizhov said that he would leave Brussels in the near future in connection with the completion of a business trip that lasted 17 years: it is no longer comfortable to act as a living monument.




Slavyangrad:
Absolute "radio silence" from all Russian military and paramilitary sources. There is a verse in one song - " so silent before a storm, awaiting command..." Awaiting attacks? Probably. Even no info about kalibrovka...

flamming_python wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

More disinformation to lull the enemy into advancing further and becoming more bold is my guess

Any Tom Dick or Harry can tell you there is nobody to negotiate with in the Ukraine

So you are all the way in on this theory

Well I hope the army starts to roll sometime soon

Because this is alarming shit

Create tempting enough conditions for the Ukrainians to commit to their advance fully, and keep up appearances about being in a panic, disorganized, uncoordinated and divided for long enough - and they will eventually go for it, and move to where you want them to, even despite any misgivings.

calripson wrote:

billybatts91 wrote:Without a full mobilization and an escalation by Russia in Ukraine. This war will be lost. Ukraine is getting too many high-end, effective weapons and they have too many soldiers right now for Russia to accomplish anything in eastern Ukraine. Russia will be on the backfoot constantly if they leave things as they are currently.

The best alternative for Russia at this point is a negotiated settlement with the least amount of humiliation possible followed by Putin's departure. What exactly will full mobilization accomplish? NATO can still up the ante technologically - there are no Ukrainians flying around in F-22s - so it is not as if Russia has some secret conventional military technology they haven't yet deployed. NATO has demonstrated that they can mitigate Russia's strike capability and totally deny Russia air superiority. They appear to have full situational awareness and probably communication and EW dominance. How else do you explain Ukraine's ability to move their force structure at will? Russia's production capacity for high tech weapons may be stretched - NATO countries can produce weapons (safe from shortages of essential components) till the cows come home. Energy is not going to be the ace in the hole Putin thought. China hasn't lifted a finger to help Russia - China's direct entry into the war materially and with manpower would change the outcome, but I see little odds of this happening. Ukraine may have the demographics of a panda, but so do ethnic Russians. I seriously doubt there is much will among Russians to see their young men expended in a meat grinder that could go on for years. Putin rolled the dice after blithering  inaction for years. The Orange Revolution was in 2004. Did they spend the next 10 years preparing for 2014? Developing non-lethal crowd control techniques? Contingency plans? The ability to legitimately contest the lawful presidency in Ukraine? In 2014, all those regions of Ukraine with minimal Russian military intervention would have declared autonomy from an illegitimate coup government and they would have had a strong case.

Hole wrote:From Twitter sources: Russian Permanent Representative to the EU Vladimir Chizhov said that he would leave Brussels in the near future in connection with the completion of a business trip that lasted 17 years: it is no longer comfortable to act as a living monument.




Slavyangrad:
Absolute "radio silence" from all Russian military and paramilitary sources. There is a verse in one song - " so silent before a storm, awaiting command..." Awaiting attacks? Probably. Even no info about kalibrovka...

flamming_python wrote:

LOL

Everyone was so triumphant when the Ukraine threw 10k men under the treads just two weeks ago above Kherson. It was the same Ukrainian army and commanders, the same invincible NATO which has mitigated all Russia's everything, the same stretched Russian high-tech weapons and production capacities, the same Russian panda demographics, the same NATO uber-weapons such as the Javelin, HIMARS and M111 APC, etc... but the advancing troops were absolutely creamed and did not gain an inch of ground for longer than 48h without Russia even breaking a sweat

But now that Russia's pulling off some maskirovka and deception suddenly the talk is about Putin stepping down and a meat grinder for years

Get out of it.

Azi wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

More disinformation to lull the enemy into advancing further and becoming more bold is my guess

Any Tom Dick or Harry can tell you there is nobody to negotiate with in the Ukraine

So you are all the way in on this theory

Well I hope the army starts to roll sometime soon

Because this is alarming shit

Create tempting enough conditions for the Ukrainians to commit to their advance fully, and keep up appearances about being in a panic, disorganized, uncoordinated and divided for long enough - and they will eventually go for it, and move to where you want them to, even despite any misgivings.

Kharkov? Really? The terrain favors the defender (Ukraine), in contrast to Kherson. Especially Izyum and Chuguev is a huge clusterfuck, surrounded by woods...any Russian counterattack would suffer serious losses.

Only an absolute MORON and IDIOT would think that some kind of russian counteroffensive will be cared out in the Kharkov region in the next 3-5 months!!! The ground becomes muddy and doesn't freeze properly again until late December and January. Till this Ukrainians have enough time to dug in and fortify the positions. The hardest battles were thought for Kharkiv and Izyum...Russia lost most of their troops at the beginning of the operation in this special region. If they do the counteroffensive not now (next 2-3 weeks) the next timeframe will be earliest January. Now it would be the best moment for a counteroffensive, Ukrainians are only roaming the area in small groups and are busy with killing and torturing civilians (according to many here in the forum a good necessary thing...part of the "masterplan") they have not established a proper defense.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

LOL

Everyone was so triumphant when the Ukraine threw 10k men under the treads just two weeks ago above Kherson. It was the same Ukrainian army and commanders, the same invincible NATO which has mitigated all Russia's everything, the same stretched Russian high-tech weapons and production capacities, the same Russian panda demographics, the same NATO uber-weapons such as the Javelin, HIMARS and M111 APC, etc... but the advancing troops were absolutely creamed and did not gain an inch of ground for longer than 48h without Russia even breaking a sweat

But now that Russia's pulling off some maskirovka and deception suddenly the talk is about Putin stepping down and a meat grinder for years

Get out of it.

How do you know they were expecting Kherson and not surprised in Kharkov?

SolidarityWithRussia wrote:Maybe the worst explanation for the retreat would be that Russia is blackmailed because of the NPP or some other means of mass destruction weapons threatened by the desperate UAF, but that is just a wild guess. Probably this is not the case.

SolidarityWithRussia wrote:Maybe the worst explanation for the retreat would be that Russia is blackmailed because of the NPP or some other means of mass destruction weapons threatened by the desperate UAF, but that is just a wild guess. Probably this is not the case.

Erk wrote:

SolidarityWithRussia wrote:Maybe the worst explanation for the retreat would be that Russia is blackmailed because of the NPP or some other means of mass destruction weapons threatened by the desperate UAF, but that is just a wild guess. Probably this is not the case.

More likely the Russians pulled out their troops back to Russia for there military show they had recently.
Whatever it was, it seems the Russian public on social media are angry about it, and want Putin to escalate.
But Putin will never know, because he doesn't even have a smartphone, let alone read social media.

JohninMK wrote:Following last Sunday's elections it looks like the groundswell of dissatisfaction in what is being done in their name in Ukraine is growing, these politicians reflecting what they have heard from their voters.

flamming_python wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Following last Sunday's elections it looks like the groundswell of dissatisfaction in what is being done in their name in Ukraine is growing, these politicians reflecting what they have heard from their voters.

Probably liberal and Navalny deputies ordered out of the woodworks to act in concert with the Western psyops offensive

Anyone go the names of said politicians? Will be interesting to take a look

Otherwise, pay the white noise no mind, as Martynov would say