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    Post  JohninMK Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:03 pm

    I'm not sure but in case it hasn't been linked Big Serge has done another analysis. It is very good.

    https://bigserge.substack.com/p/special-military-operation-season?s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

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    Post  Azi Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:05 pm

    +++Russia mediated a ceasefire between Azeris and Armenians!+++

    The information is not 100 % confirmed but...GOOD!

    The Azeris will open a second front for Russia...so no doubt who gave the command to attack! Wink
    But maybe they just want to use the momentum and see Russia as weak, so they will have maximum gains in attacking Armenia now. Like I said...The retreat will cause all the rats to crawl out of the holes! Not bad in the end, because that's how you see the rats on the international world stage and can then crush them.


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    Post  Erk Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:08 pm

    Azi wrote:
    Erk wrote:
    SolidarityWithRussia wrote:Maybe the worst explanation for the retreat would be that Russia is blackmailed because of the NPP or some other means of mass destruction weapons threatened by the desperate UAF, but that is just a wild guess. Probably this is not the case.

    More likely the Russians pulled out their troops back to Russia for there military show they had recently.
    Whatever it was, it seems the Russian public on social media are angry about it, and want Putin to escalate.
    But Putin will never know, because he doesn't even have a smartphone, let alone read social media.
    That's not true X-D haha! He has not an ordinary smartphone, his phone is encyrpted and special...like the phone of nearly all presidents of the world. But I would lose my respect if Putin would have a Insta or twitter account. I think a lot of people would lose respect...he is not a degenerated third class US president!

    https://tass.com/society/1237157

    Vladimir Putin still does not use smartphone, spokesman says
    While Putin does occasionally use the Internet, the head of state does not have too much time, Dmitry Peskov said
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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:10 pm

    Putin was busy with openning Moscow Sun during the withdrawal.
    @FP
    Moрпех you're still in Питер or Ставка coopted you already?
    Man of such strategic acumen.
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    Post  Azi Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:16 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Russia lost most of their troops.. don't even know what to say to that Razz
    Out of the losses the most were in Kharkov region...Kiev was kindergarden compared to Kharkov! Not that Russia lost all troops in Kharkov that's bullshit! lol!

    Misunderstanding...sorry!
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    Post  ATLASCUB Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:31 pm

    It's a psyop by using some local disposable assets. I wouldn't worry about them and their impact as much the silent traitors high up.

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    Post  Backman Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:59 pm

    flamming_python wrote:In fact I found the rYE2d79fHouCw[/embed]

    Wouldn't it be better for Russia to just avoid this f*cking sh*t instead ?

    Put 40 BTG in Kharkov just to make sure.

    It's obviously phsyop overload but it doesn't help when your own supporters and propagandists get completely discredited because of moves like this.

    I've been fighting the propaganda war on other forums. I'm on a hockey forum and a few other things. But that's it for me. It's not worth the trouble. It's too maddening.
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    Post  Regular Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:07 pm

    Azi wrote:
    Out of the losses the most were in Kharkov region...Kiev was kindergarden compared to Kharkov! Not that Russia lost all troops in Kharkov that's bullshit! lol!

    Misunderstanding...sorry!

    Sorry for being sceptical, but how do we know that? Is there a list of losses and where they happened?
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    Post  Backman Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:08 pm



    A source in Kyiv reports that Zelensky has asked NATO to establish a no-fly zone over Ukraine - thereby trying to draw the alliance into direct hostilities against the Russian Federation; at the same time, he requested from the United States the supply of long-range missiles (range up to 300 km) for HIMARS for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    https://t.me/igor_korotchenko/10622
    Placement on the territory of Ukraine of the Patriot air defense system with combat crews of NATO countries - casus belli.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:22 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Following last Sunday's elections it looks like the groundswell of dissatisfaction in what is being done in their name in Ukraine is growing, these politicians reflecting what they have heard from their voters.

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    Probably liberal and Navalny deputies ordered out of the woodworks to act in concert with the Western psyops offensive

    Anyone go the names of said politicians? Will be interesting to take a look russia

    Otherwise, pay the white noise no mind, as Martynov would say

    Yeah, its just the usual white noise from Russian traitor-liberals who are finding the courage to raise their heads above the parapets as a result of understandable public anger over the Kharkov withdrawal/redeployment/whatever. They are still however foreign-influenced 5th column trash.

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    Post  crod Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:31 pm

    Isos wrote:Su 25 overused so a technical malfunction makes it crash. RIP pilot.

    And a su-34 seem also to have crashed in Crimea.


    Yeah what a bugger. RIP cry


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    Post  crod Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:34 pm

    Wasn’t there talk about 2-3 week’s ago regarding 300 fighters/bombers moving to the border? Were those reports accurate?
    It might give some credence to the suggestion about a Russian hoodwink?
    I still think they should’ve smashed those congregating forces as they formed but you all know my feeling on that russia
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    Post  Backman Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:38 pm

    JohninMK wrote:I'm not sure but in case it hasn't been linked Big Serge has done another analysis. It is very good.

    https://bigserge.substack.com/p/special-military-operation-season?s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

    Quote from article
    We saw a foretaste of this last night, when Russia wiped out over half of Ukraine’s power generation with a few missiles. There are many more targets that they can go after - more nodes in the electrical grid, water pumping and filtration facilities, and higher level command posts. There is at least some probability that Russia begins targeting the command facilities with NATO personnel in them.

    They let Nato walk into the whole northern part basically unopposed and they are just thinking about targeting Nato personnel ? F off
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:05 am

    Backman wrote:

    A source in Kyiv reports that Zelensky has asked NATO to establish a no-fly zone over Ukraine - thereby trying to draw the alliance into direct hostilities against the Russian Federation; at the same time, he requested from the United States the supply of long-range missiles (range up to 300 km) for HIMARS for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    https://t.me/igor_korotchenko/10622
    Placement on the territory of Ukraine of the Patriot air defense system with combat crews of NATO countries - casus belli.

    This is like the 10th time already he has asked for a NFZ. NATO keeps denying him cause they dont want to get involved directly but rather indirectly to state deniability.

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    Post  crod Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:15 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Backman wrote:

    A source in Kyiv reports that Zelensky has asked NATO to establish a no-fly zone over Ukraine - thereby trying to draw the alliance into direct hostilities against the Russian Federation; at the same time, he requested from the United States the supply of long-range missiles (range up to 300 km) for HIMARS for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    https://t.me/igor_korotchenko/10622
    Placement on the territory of Ukraine of the Patriot air defense system with combat crews of NATO countries - casus belli.

    This is like the 10th time already he has asked for a NFZ.  NATO keeps denying him cause they dont want to get involved directly but rather indirectly to state deniability.

    Yeap. They said from the outset that they wouldn’t confront Russia directly in any means. Also, the Ukraine is not a NATO member and therefore under the charter they cannot act (directly). Putin should’ve backed up his words back in February re support and supply however.
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    Post  crod Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:18 am

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    Post  Backman Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:40 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Backman wrote:


    https://t.me/igor_korotchenko/10622
    Placement on the territory of Ukraine of the Patriot air defense system with combat crews of NATO countries - casus belli.

    This is like the 10th time already he has asked for a NFZ.  NATO keeps denying him cause they dont want to get involved directly but rather indirectly to state deniability.

    That was 5 months ago. There hasn't been a word about that idea for months. It is worth mentioning that they openly brought it up again. And this time it will get even more support. Because the NATO publics and politicians are in a war frenzy. They've had a taste of success thanks to Russia fighting with 2 hands behind it's back.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:49 am

    Backman wrote:

    That was 5 months ago. There hasn't been a word about that idea for months. It is worth mentioning that they openly brought it up again. And this time it will get even more support. Because the NATO publics and politicians are in a war frenzy. They've had a taste of success thanks to Russia fighting with 2 hands behind it's back.

    Armenia invoked CSTO defense measures

    What will we do? More good will?

    If troops were kept from Ukraine for other war scenarios

    Now Is the time to show that Russia asserts itself in the zone of traditional influence
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:59 am

    Backman wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Backman wrote:


    https://t.me/igor_korotchenko/10622
    Placement on the territory of Ukraine of the Patriot air defense system with combat crews of NATO countries - casus belli.

    This is like the 10th time already he has asked for a NFZ.  NATO keeps denying him cause they dont want to get involved directly but rather indirectly to state deniability.

    That was 5 months ago. There hasn't been a word about that idea for months. It is worth mentioning that they openly brought it up again. And this time it will get even more support. Because the NATO publics and politicians are in a war frenzy. They've had a taste of success thanks to Russia fighting with 2 hands behind it's back.

    If you actually think they will all of a sudden go to war with Russia over Ukraine, I got a bridge to sell you.

    You morons said same thing months ago and I laughed at you then.  Zelensky did this to get more weapons and support then, he's doing it again for same reason.

    But if you want to believe that NATO will do something stupid like that, especially when Russian systems would have a huge advantage due to proximity, then that is entirely on you.  I wouldn't lose sleep over it though.

    Edit: remember, everyone including US politicians demanded a NFZ in Syria against Russia, where the west would have an advantage, and they didn't go for it. But will do it for Ukraine to which Russia could strike at nato jets in Ukraine from Russia? So what will NATO do then? Strike Russia directly prompting total war?

    Some of you guys think the west actually gives a shit about Ukraine.

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    Post  billybatts91 Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:06 am

    Backman wrote:

    A source in Kyiv reports that Zelensky has asked NATO to establish a no-fly zone over Ukraine - thereby trying to draw the alliance into direct hostilities against the Russian Federation; at the same time, he requested from the United States the supply of long-range missiles (range up to 300 km) for HIMARS for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    https://t.me/igor_korotchenko/10622
    Placement on the territory of Ukraine of the Patriot air defense system with combat crews of NATO countries - casus belli.

    Sad to say but if NATO got involved, Russia would get destroyed. Thank God for nukes though. That will keep them out.

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    Post  billybatts91 Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:07 am

    caveat emptor wrote:Putin was busy with openning Moscow Sun during the withdrawal.
    @FP
    Moрпех you're still in Питер or Ставка coopted you already?
    Man of such strategic acumen.

    A midget lawyer, that's all he is. He's thinks he's some genius lol...

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    Post  PhSt Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:08 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    But if you want to believe that NATO will do something stupid like that, especially when Russian systems would have a huge advantage due to proximity, then that is entirely on you.  I wouldn't lose sleep over it though.

    I really hate to make this comment but the proximity of Russian systems in Kharkov didn't seem to have prevented the Ukro Nazis from swarming Russian liberated areas..


    sepheronx wrote:
    Edit: remember, everyone including US politicians demanded a NFZ in Syria against Russia, where the west would have an advantage, and they didn't go for it. But will do it for Ukraine to which Russia could strike at nato jets in Ukraine from Russia? So what will NATO do then? Strike Russia directly prompting total war?

    With the current situation and the kind of "weakness" that Russia is showing on the battlefield, NATzO might just think that Russia won't dare strike back after their retreat father the Ukro Nazi offensive

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    Post  sepheronx Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:11 am

    So Russia striking Ukraine hard is now weakness too?

    **** why did I come back here? You guys are retarded.

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    Post  PhSt Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:11 am

    billybatts91 wrote:

    Sad to say but if NATO got involved, Russia would get destroyed. Thank God for nukes though. That will keep them out.


    Well, at least this time, Russia needs to make sure that they take the entire NATzO with them to oblivion. Not a single NATzO citizen should be left alive, Russia needs to empty all its nukes on all NATzO targets.
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    Post  mnztr Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:25 am

    JohninMK wrote:I'm not sure but in case it hasn't been linked Big Serge has done another analysis. It is very good.

    https://bigserge.substack.com/p/special-military-operation-season?s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

    I am not sure why Russia would have to use its airpower to take out the Syrian bases. It can supply Syria with SAMs and technicians to make use of US air power very risky. Also provide Syria with massive amounts of rocket artillery as well as updating guidance systems for Syria significant rocket forces. Also helping deliver Iranians weapons to Syria would be helpful. In either case its well past the time to deliver a Proxy "howdy" greeting card to the USA somewhere. So many American bases maybe they just cannot choose. lol. But Syria seems obvious.


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