Russian special military operation in Ukraine #23

limb wrote:Wheres big gazza podlodka and kvs to say losing izyum is a nothingburger?

Azi wrote:There are reports that Russia is withdrawing from Liman. Ukraine has set up successfully a pontoon bridge and is flooding the area.

limb wrote:Wheres big gazza podlodka and kvs to say losing izyum is a nothingburger?

Big_Gazza wrote:

Azi wrote:There are reports that Russia is withdrawing from Liman. Ukraine has set up successfully a pontoon bridge and is flooding the area.

There are reports that Ukies have launched an assault on the russian segment of the ISS.  Russian crewmen have retreated to the Nauka module and closed the hatch behind them....

lyle6 wrote:

ALAMO wrote:
An endless line of ambulances was roaring all night long even in ... Kiev.
If they were transporting the wounded so far away from the conflict zone, it means it was a slaughter.
There are dozens of hospitals much closer to the front, nobody would waste resources shipping the wounded so far away if there would be a single free bed left. Seems that there is none, so imagine the scale of it.

Its a 12 hour drive from Donbass to Kiev. 12 hours - that's 12 souls that could've been saved if they were sent to hospitals in the general vicinity under the golden hour.
You would never do this unless you don't have any other options left.

lyle6 wrote:

LMFS wrote:
I would say that it is precisely these offensives from Kiev that allow Russia to effectively degrade the two-tier army the author himself is describing. Russian strategic patience, slowly grinding the conscript army and cooking the West's economy prompts ukies and their handlers to rush into senseless operations that aim to regain the initiative but in reality just doom their best forces and shitloads of equipment to be annihilated in cauldrons in Kherson and Kharkov. What is not to like?

The hohols are losing thousands KIA per day alone. Convoys of ambulances rush to hospitals as far as Kiev. This has been a blessed harvest.
Please Ukraine, send more! Drive further and deeper, straight into Russian soil even!

JohninMK wrote:
Where are the field hospitals that NATO could have been supplying from their stocks to maximise life and limb saving in the Golden Hour?

Sorry not enough profit in their replacement. Or even, medics were not a priority when NATO upgraded the Ukie army so there is no point.

franco wrote:The Russians have fought this operation with a very small number of troops on the ground... This week that caught up with them. Some people complain about the non use of reserves but to me the non use of conscripts is a major factor. Can understand not using the conscripts in their first 6 months however those over 6 months would allow deployment of another 80,000 troops. For those expecting a 50,000 3rd Corps to arrive, don't! Numbers are only 15-20,000 and those guys will go on the line, not on the offense. And yes, losing Izyum is not good. I also can't imagine the terror about to be unleashed on the pro-Russian Ukrainians in this zone to cause "warm and fuzzy" feelings to those in other Russian occupied areas.  

franco wrote:The Russians have fought this operation with a very small number of troops on the ground... This week that caught up with them. Some people complain about the non use of reserves but to me the non use of conscripts is a major factor. Can understand not using the conscripts in their first 6 months however those over 6 months would allow deployment of another 80,000 troops. For those expecting a 50,000 3rd Corps to arrive, don't! Numbers are only 15-20,000 and those guys will go on the line, not on the offense. And yes, losing Izyum is not good. I also can't imagine the terror about to be unleashed on the pro-Russian Ukrainians in this zone to cause "warm and fuzzy" feelings to those in other Russian occupied areas.  

limb wrote:

franco wrote:The Russians have fought this operation with a very small number of troops on the ground... This week that caught up with them. Some people complain about the non use of reserves but to me the non use of conscripts is a major factor. Can understand not using the conscripts in their first 6 months however those over 6 months would allow deployment of another 80,000 troops. For those expecting a 50,000 3rd Corps to arrive, don't! Numbers are only 15-20,000 and those guys will go on the line, not on the offense. And yes, losing Izyum is not good. I also can't imagine the terror about to be unleashed on the pro-Russian Ukrainians in this zone to cause "warm and fuzzy" feelings to those in other Russian occupied areas.  

So you're saying theres no hope in taking back izyum and balakleya?

ALAMO wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:
careful don't criticize the narrative that there isn't enough troops

You are "discussing" things you have figured out by yourself, in a first place.
Most of us are perfectly aware of that, that is why we were quite shocked that this operation even started.
We just don't cry a rivers like a little pussies as some others    
It was a totally different type of operation Russkie planned, turning out to be a meatgrinder.
They have reacted with outstanding flexibility, shortening the line of contact, even at expense of image damage and fueling Ukro propaganda war.
They give a shit about publicity, give a shit about "how it will look like" - and you are witnessing that right now.
Just withdraw the forces, if those are too small to keep the ground at a low human cost, no matter what the twitter armchair generals sofa will cry about that.
The process of increasing the forces involved started on the spot, and now we have a grouping increased by some 80 000 if compare to Spring time. And new units are being brought to the theatre each day/week.
A list of national battalions takes A4 page, listed one by one with size 14 font.
Those are tens of thousands of volunteer troops that are being trained&organized at the very moment.  
Gudermes SF academy is splitting newly trained units one by one, those are mixed (don't mix them with national battalions mentioned above) volunteer-manned ones. Only this week, at least two IL-76 left Gudermes heading east - that is 300 newly trained troops only there.
Aside of 3rd AC we already see in action, there are several other army units at a different stage of forming now.
They have reactivated some divisions frozen from the WWII time.
Russkie do mobilize, only a/ in quiet and b/ not excessively.

ALAMO wrote:I was never addressing the number of troops in a way other than shocked how they manage to perform this operation so much outnumbered.
And that would be rather hard to prove how they are OK with numbers and exclude the possibility of a serious war because of the lack of force argument.
Well, for someone with schizophrenia that would be quite OK, but obviously you are taking some other guys for me.
Maybe yourself, that would be called projection in psychiatry.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

limb wrote:

franco wrote:The Russians have fought this operation with a very small number of troops on the ground... This week that caught up with them. Some people complain about the non use of reserves but to me the non use of conscripts is a major factor. Can understand not using the conscripts in their first 6 months however those over 6 months would allow deployment of another 80,000 troops. For those expecting a 50,000 3rd Corps to arrive, don't! Numbers are only 15-20,000 and those guys will go on the line, not on the offense. And yes, losing Izyum is not good. I also can't imagine the terror about to be unleashed on the pro-Russian Ukrainians in this zone to cause "warm and fuzzy" feelings to those in other Russian occupied areas.  

So you're saying theres no hope in taking back izyum and balakleya?

No Russia can retake those areas but that involves them getting their heads out of their asses and treating this like an actual fing war and not some "peace and love" mission. Deploy the proper amount of forces and unleash hell

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

limb wrote:

franco wrote:The Russians have fought this operation with a very small number of troops on the ground... This week that caught up with them. Some people complain about the non use of reserves but to me the non use of conscripts is a major factor. Can understand not using the conscripts in their first 6 months however those over 6 months would allow deployment of another 80,000 troops. For those expecting a 50,000 3rd Corps to arrive, don't! Numbers are only 15-20,000 and those guys will go on the line, not on the offense. And yes, losing Izyum is not good. I also can't imagine the terror about to be unleashed on the pro-Russian Ukrainians in this zone to cause "warm and fuzzy" feelings to those in other Russian occupied areas.  

So you're saying theres no hope in taking back izyum and balakleya?

No Russia can retake those areas but that involves them getting their heads out of their asses and treating this like an actual fing war and not some "peace and love" mission. Deploy the proper amount of forces and unleash hell

Civilians have now been left to the Fascho Mob twice. How do you want to conquer the hearts of people there if you leave them so easily to the fascist Mob? What is the goal????

Russen free from fascists! What is not the goal? Course the civilist from fascist not torture! Civilians who to wanted to protect, go to freedom!

No more fun! Weeks, months 1 meter per day and NATO goes 60 km in 2 days and on ??? What were the Russian victims worth free to free cities? Nothing!

That's ridiculous. NATO is encouraged from day to day more weapons to deliver stronger weapons. To strike in other places in the world! Anyone who shows weakness is eaten!

Credible militarily drones can be done buddies and not let such a crap be done here!

End of the party! Massive now finally bombs, with everything that works and show: Whoever thinks the Russian bear is annoying to torture and clean their citizens! On the spot!

Go to War with all !!!