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    Post  Mir Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:54 am

    limb wrote:
    They can use bridgelayers. Are you saying the Russian army, which for 70 years trained rlwide river crossings in a cold war gone hot scenario, has lost the capability to mass build pontoon bridges?

    I have not yet seen a bridgelayer that can span the Dnepr!? Wink

    Sure the Russians can use pontoons and even construct their own bridges if and when the need arises. I don't see any need for the Russians to destroy any major infrastructure at all, but the Ukrs do seem to have some urgency in attempting to blow bridges, dams and nuclear power plants. That smacks of desperation - don't you think?

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    Post  LMFS Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:19 pm

    Russian Ministry of Defense
    Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine ⚡ ️ (19.08.2022)

    ◽ The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue a special military operation in Ukraine.

    As a result of the offensive actions of the allied forces in the Kharkiv region, on August 14, 2022, units of the 58th motorized Infantry Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were defeated near the village of Udy. Under the onslaught of Russian troops, the remnants of the formation escaped from their positions and left this locality. To prevent panic and intimidate the personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, nationalists of the armed group "Kraken" demonstratively shot 100 soldiers of the 58th motorized infantry brigade who left their positions.

    High-precision weapons of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit " points of temporary deployment of units of nationalist formations "Azov" in the area of Nikolaevka and" Aidar " in the area of Soledar of the Donetsk People's Republic. More than 50 nationalists were destroyed, as well as 12 pieces of military equipment. A warehouse of weapons and military equipment of the 65th mechanized brigade was hit by a high-precision strike near the village of Dorozhnyanka, Zaporizhia region. More than 15 armored and automobile vehicles were destroyed.

    💥 As a result of a concentrated fire strike on the positions of the 14th mechanized brigade in the area of the settlement of Stary Saltov, Kharkiv region, the enemy's irretrievable and sanitary losses amounted to more than 100 people.

    Strikes by operational-tactical and army aircraft, rocket troops and artillery against military facilities on the territory of Ukraine continue.💥 During the day, six control points of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were hit, including the 115th mechanized brigade in the area of the settlement of Artemovsk of the Donetsk People's Republic, as well as manpower and military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 247 districts. Four destroyedwarehouses of rocket and artillery weapons and ammunition in the areas of the settlements of Kurakhovo and Dachnoye in the Donetsk People's Republic, Belaya Krynitsa in the Kherson region and Zaliman in the Kharkiv region, as well as a US-made M777 howitzer near the settlement of Primorskoye in the Zaporozhye region.

    As part of the counter-battery struggle, two "SMERCH" multiple rocket launcher platoons were suppressed in the Vasyukovka districts of the Donetsk People's Republic and Orekhov in the Zaporozhye region, and a platoon of self-propelled artillery units "Gvozdika" in the Dzerzhinsk area. Also hit: two platoons of multiple rocket launchers "Grad" in the areas of settlements Mayaki and Soledar, two platoons of guns "Hyacinth-B", as well as three platoons of howitzers D-30 in firing positions in the areas of settlements Kodema, Yakovlevka, Maryinka Donetsk People's Republic, Novoaleksandrovka Kherson region and Dobroe Mykolaiv region.

    Russian air defense forces shot down 13 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles in the areas of the settlements of Chervonyi Shakhter, Malye Prokhody, Kamenka, Dolhenke, Sukha Kamenka, Novoosinovo, Krakhmalnoye in Kharkiv region and Lyubomirovka in Mykolaiv region. In addition, a Tochka-U ballistic missile was intercepted near the village of Yubileynoye, 12 shells of the Hymars multiple launch rocket system were intercepted near Nova Kakhovka, Kherson region. two multiple launch rocket system projectiles near the settlements of Topolskoye and Suligovka, Kharkiv region, as well as two US-made anti-radar missiles near the settlements of Alchevsk and Stakhanov, Luhansk People's Republic.

    Total 📊destroyed since the beginning of the special military operation: 267 aircraft, 148 helicopters, 1,770 unmanned aerial vehicles, 366 anti-aircraft missile systems, 4,347 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 807 multiple launch rocket systems, 3,315 field artillery and mortar guns, and 4,958 units of special military vehicles.

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    Post  limb Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:23 pm

    Mir wrote:
    limb wrote:
    They can use bridgelayers. Are you saying the Russian army, which for 70 years trained rlwide river crossings in a cold war gone hot scenario, has lost the capability to mass build pontoon bridges?

    I have not yet seen a bridgelayer that can span the Dnepr!? Wink

    Sure the Russians can use pontoons and even construct their own bridges if and when the need arises. I don't see any need for the Russians to destroy any major infrastructure at all, but the Ukrs do seem to have some urgency in attempting to blow bridges, dams and nuclear power plants. That smacks of desperation - don't you think?

    This is about sending a message, making Ukrainian Russia hating civilians feel the result of the ir terror in crimea and Belgorod.

    Also, they haven't taken slavyansk, ugledar, artempvsk, yet youre worried about a river crossing which Russians might not reach before theres a ceasefire.
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    Post  kvs Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:59 pm

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    Backman wrote:It would probably take an actual bunker buster bomb to one of the nuclear vessels to actually create a nuclear disaster similar to Chernobyl. The threat of a disaster like that is being way overstated.

    Its still a really dumb idea to shell it.

    I am no nuclear expert, but neither Chernobyl nor Fukushima required the involvement of bunker busters, just wrong operational parameters or failure of ancillaries, which is pretty much what the urkonazis are trying to achieve at ZNPP. A reactor without cooling will fail, melt and create a massive contamination problem, even if it is not breached by the attack, which is also possible with the weapons available to those bastards. I don't see MoD specially relaxed about the situation, you know...

    But this is the same delusional nonsense that is characteristic of the Kiev regime's approach in general. They can't induce any Chernobyl type failure
    with VVER-1000 reactors. They can't kill the backup power either which would be required for the Fukushima scenario.

    The shelling is a Twatter offensive.

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    Post  ATLASCUB Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:02 pm

    Mir wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:
    Just look at the map tho.... and the face of this man.
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 2 Nelson_rolihlahla_mandela

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    You posted the wrong picture dude! It should have been Jacob Zuma to get any negative reaction. Nelson Mandela is an icon and a hero he makes us South Africans proud. Stay on topic or go crawl back into your hole.

    Mandela is one of the many political results of that war, which the SA regime lost (part of the political costs).

    And if you knew anything about Mandela you would know he's a commie "dictator".. unless you believe he was anything but a commie because expediency in a time without the Soviet Union, and considering the make up of the entrenched SA elite required that he ruled in the way that he did.... as a "balanced democrat" who cleansed an apartheid state, and its brutal elite of the blood on their hands. So the arrangement was, to say the least, mutually beneficial for the economic elite. Clearly history teachings leave much to be desired in SA by what you display. Propaganda has a way of doing that to its consumers.

    You be proud the SA regime lost that war. And when I say adverse chemical reaction, I say that clearly to the economic/political elites, of appropriate age. I don't think they would take much of a liking to the man who carried a nation, and a super power in tow to throw a massive fvck you wrench to the apartheid regime mini-empire down South and its ambitions of grandeur and expansion, ending ultimately in its dissolution, and the collapse of said apartheid regime as a political-governing entity. Peace and the new independent nations came at the barrel of a gun - not by the benevolence of the CIA or the apartheid regime, both mortal enemy to Cuba's political leadership... whose crime was to insert itself way outside its turf and not only wage war on them, but win it. The ultimate insult been no longer being able to hold the streets and making a deal with "political prisoner", long time commie Mandela. Only idiots who lack proper knowledge of the subject would fall into simpleton explanations without taking into account the nature of power, war, or the proper read of outcomes of negotiations.... another word for capitulation. SA is indeed much better for it. On another note you can continue to pearl clutch and bite at my heels like for the past 2 weeks, it won't change a thing kiddo. You're just the rotational dimwitt on the hotseat. Every dimwitt more or less at some point or another musters the courage to take the shot and prove his or her intellectual worth as it seeks approval and status within this crazy hive mind. Never ends well tho... but you wouldn't be a dimwitt if you could make that observation. Don't interject into a response to others and then bitch about "off-topic" while engaged in it. In other words, mod crying is desperate and weak.


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    Post  GarryB Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:08 pm

    The shelters that were erected on the Khmeimim Air Base in Syria would be a good start. It does offer some protection and it keeps the aircraft in the shade.

    They might work in Syria, but in Russia two months of heavy snow storms and the roofs collapse and all those planes get crushed when those roofs collapse and who has egg on their faces then?

    I won't classify them as hardened but they do look sturdy enough to handle a fairly large explosion?

    And explosions they don't handle leads to heavy lumps of concrete falling on your precious aircraft where no roof would mean no problem.

       
    During the events on the two pictures I showed, at least 8 aircraft were lost. Which just too much against a country that lacks airpower and long range weapons in meaningful quality and quantity.

    They are old Su-24s and Su-30s which are not old, and really you cannot even tell if they were real aircraft... they could have been decoy mockups for all we know.

    It is very difficult to assess damage from a satellite image too.

    More importantly the pilots are fine and it seems only one person lost their lives. Not ideal, but not a catastrophe either.

    Ukraine is known to have Toshka and probably US ballistic missiles for himars. They also have real time intel from US satelittes to attack at the good time with those weapons that have a precision of 10m or so.

    None of which can reach the base, and even if they could the air defences would detect them and shoot them down easily enough.

    Russians should have adaptated their bases close to the front to not let ukrainians take out so many stuff at once. In one attack they destroyed 7 aircraft. That's a huge loss.

    They have been close to a front line for less than 6 months... they are currently not near any front line, and there is no evidence at all there was any attack.


    A bomb exploding by accudent and destroying plenty of aircraft around is even more shameful.

    No shame at all... accidents happen... and if you fall to pieces and cry like a little girl... well perhaps you should not get involved in warfare or have an interest in weapons.

    No. Ukrainian ir force was always shitty since 2014. Counting training aircraft and unused rusting mig-29 is dumb.

    Could say the same about any enemy the west has faced in the last 50 years or more.

    Both the Canberra and the Buccaneer served in the SAAF for many years. I was still a youngster then but knew many of the pilots who flew them as well.

    The Bucc is my favourite western aircraft...

    Totally irrelevant, but the Buccaneer was a beautiful aircraft, based on aesthetics alone.

    There was a video on the internet... youtube.... where they tested the idea of flying very very low in a Bucc and trying to shoot it down with various western aircraft like F-4s and F-14s and F-16s and they couldn't do it... the way their cannon are set up they couldn't hit the Bucc without flying into the ground... and some of them couldn't actually keep up with them either.

    It was a brilliant low level bomber for its time.

    With a bucket of instant sunshine under each wing it was faster and longer ranged than an F-16 with the same loadout... and it could operate from aircraft carriers.

    Not just there, sunshine. There will be a lot to replace

    Who cares about a nuclear catastrophe in Europe?

    If they do anything Russia will respond... and I suspect such a provocation would result in them realising a useless leadership that sends its men to slaughter makes our job easier, but one that also does this sort of a thing is too dangerous so they have to be eliminated...

    I am no nuclear expert, but neither Chernobyl nor Fukushima required the involvement of bunker busters, just wrong operational parameters or failure of ancillaries, which is pretty much what the urkonazis are trying to achieve at ZNPP. A reactor without cooling will fail, melt and create a massive contamination problem, even if it is not breached by the attack, which is also possible with the weapons available to those bastards. I don't see MoD specially relaxed about the situation, you know...

    It the cooling system is disabled they can just shut the reactors down and there is no chance of overheating and an explosion.

    The explosions are all conventional explosions... water super heated separates to oxygen and hydrogen which then ignites in a conventional explosion.

    None of the nuclear material is enriched to the point where it can sustain a nuclear explosion... a shut down reactor would be just fine... unless hit directly by a bunker buster heavy bomb.

    I can feel another 'gesture of goodwill' is approaching. Either that or a well aimed strike at that nuclear power plant - which will then be blamed on Russia and will forever bury any possible future Ukr. negotiations and rapprochement with Germany (which is definitely low key in the books if you know how to read between the lines in German media).

    German media are delusional... they are getting desperate because they know how much they rely on cheap Russian gas and they are not understanding that the days of cheap Russian gas are over for the enemy countries that funded and enabled the nazis in the Ukraine.

    A strike at the nuclear power plant would result in the Russians simply shutting it down... that is going to be a serious problem for Ukrainians that use the power being generated there and also HATO countries that likely currently import cheap Ukrainian electricity on the sly.. because it is not winter yet and Ukrainians are not using it all yet... but a strike on the NPP actually plays into Russian hands because they can then decide what they want to do in retaliation... shutting down the power will just be a safety measure to prevent overheating and an explosion, but I suspect their direct action will be to kill Zelensky and his cohorts... there should be enough opposition to his nazis that removing him from power will cause normal sensible people to try to take charge and for the rest of the nazis to run west.

    But if not... the process will continue... the chances of negotiating with Z is zero so there would be no loss if he is dead.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:14 pm

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    The Russian MIL have been studying biological samples from surrendered Ukrainian soldiers, and what they have been finding is beyond disturbing.



    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #22 - Page 2 Fab1YO3aUAAyC4X?format=jpg&name=small

    Ah this isn't anything new stimulants like coke, Meth etc were used in all major wars to increase alertness, suppress appetite and make the solider stay awake longer.

    Basically, it was given in very very small amounts.
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    Post  Regular Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:17 pm

    It’s funny to see whites in SA supporting western narrative when they will go extinct under the cheers of western world. They should be the ones begging military support and hiding in their farms. Russia at least offered them refuge.

    Many such cases, I even met quite a lot of young Serbians who support Ukraine. They are very overpresented online.


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    Why blood? Check the hair and you will see what they took during whole SMO. Just imagine what is being missed. Alcoholism and drug addiction in Ukraine was always a problem and war didn’t help. Not to mention what kind of people get into army now. Usually lower strata, freed prisoners and all kinds of downtrodden who can’t buy themselves out


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    Post  Singular_Transform Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:18 pm

    ATLASCUB wrote:

    The anglo's are doubling down. No amount of propaganda coming from the Kremlin sewers about the "hopeless effort" is gonna dissuade them, cause it's not hopeless. They've successfully engineered a Russian civil war with a few printed billions, old tried and tested divide and conquer + greed and deceit. Russians were not only unable to prevent Ukraine from slipping into the abyss with the 2014 Maidan......  it's still stuck trying to figure out how to get it out after 6 months of an "SMO", which translated to plain language from Russian double-speak, is a war, more specifically - civil war at that, cause under any other time period, it would be considered as such.... unless the Belovezh Accords were the end of history...... but if they were then why the work to rebuild all of it... EEU, Union State etc. Trading an empire for a McDonalds and a parasitic, comprador elite has its mildly to say, drawbacks. Funny thing tho... none of the elites bitch about it really... they owe way too much of their current wealth to the dissolution to truly, if ever hate it. Russians truly love drama and contradictions.



    Sadly the Russians more clever than the western elites, and they playing for win at the moment.


    I don't know where do you live, maybe under a stone in Asia, but at the moment in the UK I had to spend 8 hours to insulate our house, beacue the heating cost of it will go up by a minimal wage from a "who care" ammount.


    The local DIY shop started to sell a range of coal stoves, and lot of guy now started to think about ti switch off the heating during wintertime.

    An average house energy cost will be a half -two third minimal wage from the end of the year.

    At the moment the most likelly outcome will be like at the end of the year the UK/EU polictical class will have to delvier the head Zelensiky to the Russians, or do full mobilisation and start a full blown out war against Russia -  there is no other way to keep the polulation in line.

    It will be very desparate situation .


    This will be the hardest winter in western europe in the past hundred years. It will be similar situation like before the French revolution.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:46 pm

    Regular wrote:It’s funny to see whites in SA supporting western narrative when they will go extinct under the cheers of western world. They should be the ones begging military support and hiding in their farms. Russia at least offered them refuge.

    Many such cases, I even met quite a lot of young Serbians who support Ukraine. They are very overpresented online.


    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    Why blood? Check the hair and you will see what they took during whole SMO. Just imagine what is being missed. Alcoholism and drug addiction in Ukraine was always a problem and war didn’t help. Not to mention what kind of people get into army now. Usually lower strata, freed prisoners and all kinds of downtrodden who can’t buy themselves out

    Your ignoring my comment just to bash, Iif your going to act like that don't reply.

    The point of my comment was SIMPLE, in all, major wars armies have used stims etc drugs on soldiers, this isn't anything new. So why the "OMG look how evil they are using drugs on their men" Only an uneducated moron would pull that line if they knew anything about the history behind such actions

    Furthermore, all countries have drug problems, so acting like Ukraine is somehow the only offender is just dumb.
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    Post  ATLASCUB Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:12 pm

    Singular_Transform wrote:
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    The anglo's are doubling down. No amount of propaganda coming from the Kremlin sewers about the "hopeless effort" is gonna dissuade them, cause it's not hopeless. They've successfully engineered a Russian civil war with a few printed billions, old tried and tested divide and conquer + greed and deceit. Russians were not only unable to prevent Ukraine from slipping into the abyss with the 2014 Maidan......  it's still stuck trying to figure out how to get it out after 6 months of an "SMO", which translated to plain language from Russian double-speak, is a war, more specifically - civil war at that, cause under any other time period, it would be considered as such.... unless the Belovezh Accords were the end of history...... but if they were then why the work to rebuild all of it... EEU, Union State etc. Trading an empire for a McDonalds and a parasitic, comprador elite has its mildly to say, drawbacks. Funny thing tho... none of the elites bitch about it really... they owe way too much of their current wealth to the dissolution to truly, if ever hate it. Russians truly love drama and contradictions.



    Sadly the Russians more clever than the western elites, and they playing for win at the moment.


    I don't know where do you live, maybe under a stone in Asia, but at the moment in the UK I had to spend 8 hours to insulate our house, beacue the heating cost of it will go up by a minimal wage from a "who care" ammount.


    The local DIY shop started to sell a range of coal stoves, and lot of guy now started to think about ti switch off the heating during wintertime.

    An average house energy cost will be a half -two third minimal wage from the end of the year.

    At the moment the most likelly outcome will be like at the end of the year the UK/EU polictical class will have to delvier the head Zelensiky to the Russians, or do full mobilisation and start a full blown out war against Russia -  there is no other way to keep the polulation in line.

    It will be very desparate situation .


    This will be the hardest winter in western europe in the past hundred years. It will be similar situation like before the French revolution.

    Propaganda sips must be taken in moderation. Two world wars beg to differ on the bold. I'm not Asian, but as it's common, you're not the first to take a guess. It does not matter where I live, even if I live in a slave market in Libya.

    No one is disputing the fact that Europe and by extension the UK will feel the pinch. It's war, an elite war. It won't kill.
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    Post  Singular_Transform Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:26 pm

    ATLASCUB wrote:

    Propaganda sips must be taken in moderation. Two world wars beg to differ on the bold. I'm not Asian, but as it's common, you're not the first to take a guess. It does not matter where I live, even if I live in a slave market in Libya.

    Propaganda is that you transmit.

    Hard fact is the price of food and heating/electricity.


    No ammount of propaganda can change the 9000 pounds/year electricity bill back to 1500 pounds / year.

    That require the delivery of Zelensky's head to Putin on a silver plate.


    The clever western elite in your world, just to clarify :
    https://twitter.com/aloksharma_rdg/status/1429458197597888516?lang=en
    An UK MP blown up one of the last coal plants in England.
    Proudly. Maybe paid by the KGB?

    https://twitter.com/mlanetrain/status/1556381583585804291
    This ex deputiy prime minister works as Facebook Censor at the moment.
    He said that in 2010 the new nuclear power plants not an answer, because the could go online in 2021/22. And that is too late.

    Oh, at the moment the electricity price exploded sevenfold. Maybe the UK would needs those coal an nuclear plants ?
    Maybe the Russian purposfully decreased the electricity price with keepeng the Natural Gas price dirty cheap for 10 years to kill all non natural gas power plants in Europe ? Succesfully? The "very clever 4D chess player NATO political class" blown up all non russian sourced power plant in Europe. Literally.


    And maybe the Russians the one whom playing long game, and the EU is the sucker in this game ?


    Every passing day with a war in Ukraine creating bigger internal political tensions in Europe.

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:35 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Curiously Curious
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    The Russian MIL have been studying biological samples from surrendered Ukrainian soldiers, and what they have been finding is beyond disturbing.


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fab1YO3aUAAyC4X?format=jpg&name=small

    Pervitin?

    So Panzerchocolate is still en vogue with Nazis Cool

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    Post  ATLASCUB Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:39 pm

    Singular_Transform wrote:
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    Propaganda sips must be taken in moderation. Two world wars beg to differ on the bold. I'm not Asian, but as it's common, you're not the first to take a guess. It does not matter where I live, even if I live in a slave market in Libya.

    Propaganda is that you transmit.

    Hard fact is the price of food and heating/electricity.


    I'm not a spokesman for the western elite nor an endorser. But nice try on that strawman. lol1

    Keep arguing with yourself. Better yet, get a mirror and truly watch yourself doing it. So you can always "win" the arguments in your own delusion.

    This is an elite global war on its very early stages, a culmination of a lot of baggage, preparation and demarcation piled up. Punches are being thrown... the dust will not settle in a long time, and the winners are far from being declared.

    Costs on Russia are a war (no small cost), airline industry on life support, automobile industry on life support, limited access to western capital/investment, being cut off from the European market from all trade barring hydrocarbon supplies and limited use of the global financial system etc, etc, etc...

    Not everything is peachy for either side.


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    Post  Mir Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:40 pm

    ATLASCUB wrote:

    Mandela is one of the many political results of that war, which the SA regime lost (part of the political costs).

    And if you knew anything about Mandela you would know he's a commie "dictator".. unless you believe he was anything but a commie because expediency in a time without the Soviet Union, and considering the make up of the entrenched SA elite required that he ruled in the way that he did.... as a "balanced democrat" who cleansed an apartheid state, and its brutal elite of the blood on their hands. So the arrangement was, to say the least, mutually beneficial for the economic elite. Clearly history teachings leave much to be desired in SA by what you display. Propaganda has a way of doing that to its consumers.

    You be proud the SA regime lost that war. And when I say adverse chemical reaction, I say that clearly to the economic/political elites, of appropriate age. I don't think they would take much of a liking to the man who carried a nation, and a super power in tow to throw a massive fvck you wrench to the apartheid regime mini-empire down South and its ambitions of grandeur and expansion, ending ultimately in its dissolution, and the collapse of said apartheid regime as a political-governing entity. Peace and the new independent nations came at the barrel of a gun - not by the benevolence of the CIA or the apartheid regime, both mortal enemy to Cuba's political leadership... whose crime was to insert itself way outside its turf and not only wage war on them, but win it. The ultimate insult been no longer being able to hold the streets and making a deal with "political prisoner", long time commie Mandela. Only idiots who lack proper knowledge of the subject would fall into simpleton explanations without taking into account the nature of power, war, or the proper read of outcomes of negotiations.... another word for capitulation. SA is indeed much better for it. On another note you can continue to pearl clutch and bite at my heels like for the past 2 weeks, it won't change a thing kiddo. You're just the rotational dimwitt on the hotseat. Every dimwitt more or less at some point or another musters the courage to take the shot and prove his or her intellectual worth as it seeks approval and status within this crazy hive mind. Never ends well tho... but you wouldn't be a dimwitt if you could make that observation. Don't interject into a response to others and then bitch about "off-topic" while engaged in it. In other words, mod crying is desperate and weak.

    You've once again proved that are just a mumbling idiot that likes to hear the sound of the shit you suck from the hole in your ass. Laughing Laughing Laughing

    The war in Angola had very little to do with the fall of the Apartheid Regime - and as you claim - that Nelson Mandela was one of "many political results of that war." The Border War was about the struggle for the independence of Namibia (South West Africa) and in no way contributed directly to the fall of the Pretoria Regime. That war was done and dusted and Namibia already gained it's independence, when a political settlement was reached between the ANC and the then white minority government. Maybe you should brush up on the history of Mandela and the Struggle Years in South Africa. You should read his bio "Long Walk To Freedom".


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    Post  Isos Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:41 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Curiously Curious
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    The Russian MIL have been studying biological samples from surrendered Ukrainian soldiers, and what they have been finding is beyond disturbing.


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fab1YO3aUAAyC4X?format=jpg&name=small

    Pervitin?

    So Panzerchocolate is still en vogue with Nazis Cool


    Anyone right in his mind wouldn't fight for ukraine. The western mercenaries go back home as soon as they see the situation on the front. It tells you a lot about the overall situation.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:44 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Curiously Curious
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    The Russian MIL have been studying biological samples from surrendered Ukrainian soldiers, and what they have been finding is beyond disturbing.


    Not at all, but sure it can be a well used for propaganda purposes.
    As I have said several times, if anyone tries to consider Ukropistan as a normal country - will never understand the situation.
    And I mean it.
    Just ... don't Laughing
    Ukraine was not a country, but a territory administrated by oligarch clans that carried constant war against each other.
    It's social&healthcare issues were nonexistent.
    Even before 2014, the country has been depopulating at an increased rate.
    Refugees, call them immigrants if you wish, have brought back the diseases nobody in Europe remembers. I don't even know the English name of it. The very first thing the "health ministry" has done, canceled the vaccination program that is a core of modern healthcare in any civilized country. Why vaccinate the population, if you can steal the money allocated to that, and leave the citizens to care about the diseases erased from the civilized countries back in the 60s?
    In Poland, there was an apocalypse. Cases of diseases not known to the medical personnel, because you could only read about them in history books. Some of those are at the African level.
    The same applied to HIV. Venereal diseases as a whole.
    I guess that a statistical study of the medical condition of Ukrainians could bring a headache to most civilized countries - the US doesn't count as one Laughing Laughing
    Drug addiction is just a part of the overall situation, and I suppose not the worst one.

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:55 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:There's not enough of anything in that plant for something big enough to happen

    Lots of hot air because average news viewer is afraid of adjective ''nuclear''

    Remarkable statement, care explaining?

    Once those control rods are jammed in there is nothing they can do without a bunker buster and at most they will just collapse the roof and add a protective layer over the reactor room floor




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    Post  TMA1 Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:55 pm

    ATLASCUB wrote:
    Singular_Transform wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:

    The anglo's are doubling down. No amount of propaganda coming from the Kremlin sewers about the "hopeless effort" is gonna dissuade them, cause it's not hopeless. They've successfully engineered a Russian civil war with a few printed billions, old tried and tested divide and conquer + greed and deceit. Russians were not only unable to prevent Ukraine from slipping into the abyss with the 2014 Maidan......  it's still stuck trying to figure out how to get it out after 6 months of an "SMO", which translated to plain language from Russian double-speak, is a war, more specifically - civil war at that, cause under any other time period, it would be considered as such.... unless the Belovezh Accords were the end of history...... but if they were then why the work to rebuild all of it... EEU, Union State etc. Trading an empire for a McDonalds and a parasitic, comprador elite has its mildly to say, drawbacks. Funny thing tho... none of the elites bitch about it really... they owe way too much of their current wealth to the dissolution to truly, if ever hate it. Russians truly love drama and contradictions.



    Sadly the Russians more clever than the western elites, and they playing for win at the moment.


    I don't know where do you live, maybe under a stone in Asia, but at the moment in the UK I had to spend 8 hours to insulate our house, beacue the heating cost of it will go up by a minimal wage from a "who care" ammount.


    The local DIY shop started to sell a range of coal stoves, and lot of guy now started to think about ti switch off the heating during wintertime.

    An average house energy cost will be a half -two third minimal wage from the end of the year.

    At the moment the most likelly outcome will be like at the end of the year the UK/EU polictical class will have to delvier the head Zelensiky to the Russians, or do full mobilisation and start a full blown out war against Russia -  there is no other way to keep the polulation in line.

    It will be very desparate situation .


    This will be the hardest winter in western europe in the past hundred years. It will be similar situation like before the French revolution.

    Propaganda sips must be taken in moderation. Two world wars beg to differ on the bold. I'm not Asian, but as it's common, you're not the first to take a guess. It does not matter where I live, even if I live in a slave market in Libya.

    No one is disputing the fact that Europe and by extension the UK will feel the pinch. It's war, an elite war. It won't kill.

    This isnt the 20th century my geriatric friend. Indeed the west is still good at playing subversive games and has surely licked the Russians a few times geopolitically, but Putin's regime from Syria to Armenia to Khazakstsn has made all the right moves. Audacious moves. This isnt the previous cold war where Soviets allowed the west total propaganda victories a la the Cuban missile crisis, and others. Putin's Russia has always preempted all traps set before itself. Syria was supposed to be one of those, probably the worst one besides the events leading up to this conflict.

    This conflict and the events leading up to it was the worst no win scenario Putin's Russia has faced yet. Thry made the only logical move. They preemptively struck Ukraine. The west isnt stupid and knew this was a very real possiblity, hence western media flipping its shit for weeks before the invasion. I was one of a majority that didnt think it would happen. I was not seeing it from a zoomed out perspective, taking all previous geopolitical games previously into perspective. With hindsight I can see it now, but so can everyone else.

    Yes this was a no win scenario. Russia struck. Was the best move, really the only move. If they had not, weeks or months after what would be the invasion day Ukraine would have attacked the donass region. Russia would be on the defensive. Crimea would be in the crosshairs. Putin would most certainly would've been seen as a dotard, weak and fearful of western sentiments. This could have potentially made for rumblings of an ousting or military junta, couping Putin. As turkish, israeli, british and american intelligence assets would work in concert with the invasion of the donbass and other sectors to take advantage of Russia's weakness in responding to an attack so close to home.
    Add to this the sanctions that would've still been used even in this case to make the case completely clear that Putin needed removing.

    So yes it was not ideal. In fact invading Ukraine was a catastrophe. But it was one of many catastrophes faced. You might as well be at the driver's seat of a catastrophe instead being more of a spectator. Atlascub I dont know what your game is. You seem honest in an understanding that the west is fallen and corrupted, but you speak as a classic commie subversive of Russia, as if you have personal or maybe relational ties to Russia somehow. You also come off as a fringe political type maybe of some left leaning flavor. Or right leaning and you have proved the horseshoe theory single handedly. I dont know which. It is either all this or you are genuinely a paid actor.

    Edit: had to make a correction. Probably ton more but oh well.


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    Post  TMA1 Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:56 pm

    Can I get some basic gestalt on the nuke plant? What happened now?
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    Post  Singular_Transform Fri Aug 19, 2022 3:02 pm

    ATLASCUB wrote:

    I'm not a spokesman for the western elite nor an endorser. But nice try on that strawman. lol1

    Keep arguing with yourself. Better yet, get a mirror and truly watch yourself doing it. So you can always "win" the arguments in your own delusion.

    This is an elite global war on its very early stages, a culmination of a lot of baggage, preparation and demarcation piled up. Punches are being thrown... the dust will not settle in a long time, and the winners are far from being declared.

    Costs on Russia are a war (no small cost), airline industry on life support, automobile industry on life support, limited access to western capital/investment, being cut off from the European market from all trade barring hydrocarbon supplies and limited use of the global financial system etc, etc, etc...

    Not everything is peachy for either side.

    Oh, huge relief, the pressure because the Russians can't buy new Audis will force them to give up Ukraine and sell again cheap gas to Europe.

    Seriously, you compare the political pressure generated by freezing and starving with the pressure caused by not having the newest BMW ?

    Great, I am sure every poor household in Europe will have huge relief even if freezing and starving knowing that they can buy electric blnaket from China with the Visa card.


    Have you ever heard about the "maslow hierarchy of needs " ?

    Russians suffering on the level 6 due to the NATO sanctions, NATO European countries suffering on the level 1.

    Whom will break faster ? The starving German, or the Russian using old and ugly car?

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    Post  Belisarius Fri Aug 19, 2022 3:09 pm

    sundoesntrise wrote:
    flip-flopping, inconsequential and hypocritical attitude off as unhinged drama queens
    I can't find better words to describe people like you😁😁

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Aug 19, 2022 3:41 pm

    Singular_Transform wrote:
    Oh, huge relief, the pressure because the Russians can't buy new Audis will force them to give up Ukraine and sell again cheap gas to Europe.
    Seriously, you compare the political pressure generated by freezing and starving with the pressure caused by not having the newest BMW ?
    Great, I am sure every poor household in Europe will have huge relief even if freezing and starving knowing that they can buy electric blnaket from China with the Visa card.
    Have you ever heard about the "maslow hierarchy of needs  " ?
    Russians suffering on the level 6 due to the NATO sanctions, NATO European countries suffering on the level 1.
    Whom will break faster ? The starving German, or the Russian using old and ugly car?

    To begin with, European car brands are obviously lagging behind the competition.
    The situation changes drastically.
    You can buy a luxurious car from China or Korea at any moment, and the variety of choices can kill.
    Lacking Audi will soon be a pain in the ass, but only for Audi Laughing if you can have a Genesis or Hongqui.

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    Post  ATLASCUB Fri Aug 19, 2022 3:54 pm

    Mir wrote:

    The war in Angola had very little to do with the fall of the Apartheid Regime - and as you claim - that Nelson Mandela was one of "many political results of that war." The Border War was about the struggle for the independence of Namibia (South West Africa) and in no way contributed directly to the fall of the Pretoria Regime. That war was done and dusted and Namibia already gained it's independence, when a political settlement was reached between the ANC and the then white minority government. Maybe you should brush up on the history of Mandela and the Struggle Years in South Africa. You should read his bio "Long Walk To Freedom".

    If you want to learn nothing you read a whitewashing bio like that. If you want to learn anything, you read about the ANC, and its operatives during its militancy years, and exile, its formation, and collaboration with the Soviets and Cubans, and by extension the war that helped exacerbate the worsening of internal conditions in SA that led to the collapse of the apartheid regime as the ultimate result of an agglomeration of events (death by a thousand cuts). Maybe you'll understand why Mandela was on a CIA hit list. You also read about SWAPO, and its connections and geopolitical alignment to the same bunch - the ANC just being the South African version of SWAPO (Namibia), MPLA (Angola). You clearly can't put two and two together. Shouldn't expect much from dimwitts, clearly under the spell of history written by, in this case, the losers, a reflection, as always, of the version of events the elites of said nation wishes its populace to believe. "We didn't lose the war" "It was nothing"... lol1

    It's always funny with dimwitts. If SA didn't lose the war, then why sign and negotiate with the Cubans the Tripartite Accord of 1988? Not only did it end South Africa's direct involvement in Angola, as well as official-direct support for UNITA, thus ending the Angolan "civil war" but also handed the keys to MPLA, the socialist, Cuban/Soviet backed belligerents who have been ruling defacto since true independence. Funny thing too, why give up Namibia? If I'm winning why I should I give anything away? If I reach even a stalemate, why give anything away either? Specially such vast territory long held by SA, a greedy, bloodthirsty, "superior" regime? To give up such a precious possession and hand it over in a silver platter to "commie" SWAPO? I mean this deal keeps getting worse right? I, SA give in everything I lay claim or fought for and I get nothing in return except promises.

    So you are by now clearly asking the logical questions yourself..... What the fvck is in it for Apartheid regime? The deal is completely lopsided on the commies favor! No  Did the murderous, criminal apartheid regime, and the economic elites behind them suddenly met GOD all of the sudden? Did the infectious commie disease got to them too? ... So by now you start to get a grasp of the real power dynamics. You start to understand where power really resides, who has the strong hand, who has the leverage and who doesn't. You get to understand who is, under the banner of negotiation, signing capitulation, and selling it to its sheeple through propaganda as anything but.

    I'll tell you what was in it for the apartheid regime.... the promise by the Cubans to withdraw from Angola and not expand operations into Namibia and force the crumbling of the apartheid regime by military means since it was no longer in the condition to hold Namibia, and at home, the house was not just divided (and as the saying goes, a house divided can't stand), but already on fire too. The apartheid regime survival instincts, feeling the noose tightening around its neck was what made them capitulate, giving up all of that to gain a few years of relief as they figured out their exit strategy, how to survive (politically and economically), and plan for the future to clean up the nation's name under fresh, "people's choice" leadership....that's where good old Mandela comes in. The CIA didn't pull the plug. The Americans astutely understood where the tide was moving and adviced correctly to negotiate and salvage anything before losing everything in worse conditions. They did the apartheid regime a favor, as an ally, letting them know when it's the right time to quit after analyzing the health of the regime. They do this often with their allies, when said allies fvck up.

    It's always the simple questions.... say how come Angola/Namibia is not under South African occupation today under puppet "capitalist" regimes as protectorates? Without the Cubans/Soviets bitch fucking the apartheid regime on their turf strategically (not just the SA but US/Israel (very much involved) + allies), SA would have steamrolled both movements, MPLA and SWAPO, and the USA, along with the apartheid regime would have found a way to normalize their gains in the chessboard as they did in places were they rolled over their enemies - see Yugoslavia break up, North/South Korea etc. Facts on the ground matter. The apartheid regime was forced to negotiate and give up its dreams of empire no matter how much the scribes of such a brutal elite, along with big capital international propagandize and try to deny it by rewriting history with fiction - you can't erase such a strategic bitch slap for the well informed. Anyone in the militant ANC of the times knows, and has written or given an interview about it in one form or another. Read up indeed.... just a google search away. Not that it ever beats living through it and seeing the events develop in real time. Much is lost to the words of scribes.


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    We are waiting for confirming photos / videos.
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