Isos wrote:I'm really wondering why the **** they show this when it gives away the range of the r-77-1 which looks by the way very weak. The plane is going at mach 1.3 at high altitude and the ranges are very low meanwhile the target, a su-25, is subsonic.
They should hurry to produce the r-77M.
I guess all these months you were wrong with assuring me that the R-77-1 is adequate
TMA1 wrote:The last video released with three r-77-1 missiles released showed the release at around 60 klicks. This is very good. Yes they could probably stretch ut out to 70/80 klicks against a fighter but that would probably fail to connect.
Everything I've seen of these so far is pretty astounding. They are sounding quite effective. Fighter pilots are almost never going to launch at maximum range unless it is first salvo against a rival who has equal or better weaponry and wishes to spam missiles to cause the enemy to break up and turn to evade
Edit: had to add a thought
As I kept saying, these are absolutely pathetic against the AIM-120D, PL-15 and meteor. Even 110km range is pathetic, especially against nonmaneuverable targets. We have ZERO evidence that there is even a SINGLE R-77M in production, which is highly concerning. Russia is one generation behind in mass production of AAMs. By the time the R-77M arrives in service, China will have a PL-15 successor, meteor will be upgraded and the AIM-260 will be in production.
Western and chinese AAMs most likely have a NEZ of around 80+km against fighter sized targets.
This is most likely the fault of retarded penny pinchers in the MoD, and probably lobbying by the air defence troops for funding SAMs, which resulted in neglect in developing adequate AAMs. After all the R-77-1 was put into service in 2015, but it has the performance of AIM-120s from 1999.
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