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    Post  kvs Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:41 am

    Belisarius wrote:The NEZ of an air-to-air missile tends to be only 1/3 to 1/4 of the missile's maximum range.
    With a maximum range of 110km an R-77-1 would have an effective range of 27-36km against maneuverable targets like fighter jets.

    But we do not really know what this ratio is for Russian missiles. The range sounds right for NATzO missiles.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:42 am

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    Post  ucmvulcan Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:55 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:

    Oh noes, some video on Youtube says Russia's tanks don't work. Get Putin on the phone, its time for him to sign the surrender forms Rolling Eyes

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    Post  Belisarius Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:59 am

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    Ukrainian T-64BV took an APFSDS shell in the ass.
    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/15036?single

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    Ukrainian forces using an airport sewage tanker as a platform for a ZU-23-2.
    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/15039?single

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    Post  Regular Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:21 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:

    Oh noes, some video on Youtube says Russia's tanks don't work.  Get Putin on the phone, its time for him to sign the surrender forms Rolling Eyes

    Another binkov, but this time, without the sock

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:02 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:....

    Oh noes, some video on Youtube says Russia's tanks don't work. Get Putin on the phone, its time for him to sign the surrender forms Rolling Eyes

    These videos are made by some Serbian chairborne ranger who never even wore a sports uniform let alone a military one

    He is routinely full of shit, no need to waste time on him





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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:07 am

    If you follow the Russian sources map, you will see small advances

    But you get the real impression when you follow the scale of losses for VSU

    You see that the goal, is to destroy their manpower,

    All of the mechanized brigades were reduced by 50%+ in manpower in the last 2 weeks alone

    This is done by missile and artillery forces, which hit them systematically through the entire frontline

    About 1 week ago was the period of the most heavy attrition for VSU, losing 70% of manpower of the 13th Mechanized brigade at Avdeyevka

    Then you see the surrounding defenders, are sitting in place just absorbing rocket and artillery fire

    At seversk and Soledar, Avdeyevka, Bakhmut, the main goal is to destroy the front line, rather than making a breakthrough

    Once a big enough hole was punched, we will see it, but before then, it's just to blow these defenders up until a recon unit spots an opening

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    Post  Firebird Tue Jul 19, 2022 10:15 am

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:Stop talking about Nazism in the Ukraine. They may be unpleasant but the Nazis were serious rivals who cost 40 million lives. And they were very consistent, they did not follow a Jewish president nor were they financed by Semites.
    I say this out of respect for the Russian heroes.
    Today Russia faces clowns, degenerates and agents of Zionism. Insects that would be exterminated were it not for the support of NATO and the lies of the international press.

    It seems like nearly every one of your posts is a defence of Fascism and pointing the finger at "da Jooz" and "the left". 🙄

    Of course there is a massive amount of Nazism in the Ukraine. For much of the 8 yrs (2015 to about 2018) the forces in the Donbass were overwhelmingly Azov vermin. And the security forces/national guard etc are heavily staffed with Azov and the many similar fascist groups. Otherwise, verminous "Ukrainianism" would never have taken hold.

    Zelensky only recently even claimed to be of Jewish descent. And its abundantly clear he is a puppet for the Americans AND the fascist forces controlled by America.

    Its much like how America took  Al Qaeda, tried to put it with the Taliban in Afghanistan with a view to attacking the USSR from the South.

    The problem in the Ukraine is Fascism, Ukrainian (mostly Nazi) fascism and the international Fascism that calls itself American "full spectrum dominance"/"Washington Consensus".
    **** all to do with "da Jooz".

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jul 19, 2022 11:08 am

    Back on that HUD discussion, has the R-77-1 been exported? If so is that data actually secret. Just a thought.

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    Post  Isos Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:08 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Back on that HUD discussion, has the R-77-1 been exported? If so is that data actually secret. Just a thought.

    Not that we know. Export uses got only rvv-ae which is the export r-77. Some say rvv-sd which is the export r-77-1 was bought by India and Egypt but no proof yet.

    The r-77-1 is pretty secret.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:46 pm

    Stop talking about Nazism in the Ukraine. They may be unpleasant but the Nazis were serious rivals who cost 40 million lives. And they were very consistent, they did not follow a Jewish president nor were they financed by Semites.

    Russia didn't label these idiots as nazis... they labelled themselves... that Bandera nutter they follow was a nazi and their use of nazi symbols is no accident or fluke like the Hindu use of the swastika... they are fascists who think they are the superior race... they are about as nazi as you can get.

    Nazis by nature are not all anti jewish... as far as Nazis are concerned everyone who is not their group are undermention... the nazis didn't just kill jewish people they killed 30 odd million Soviet citizens for being in their way.

    I say this out of respect for the Russian heroes.

    The Russians have been fighting these nutters since WWII... and the US and the west has been helping these censored for that long too.

    This gives a shit ton of information to NATO. With all the footages they showed you can easily create a diagram of the missile's range according to speed and altitude as well as target's speed and altitude.

    They keep releasing such videos and giving away secrets. Military police should stop them very fast. Soon they will start releasing S-400 radar screens.

    Who cares... the R-77 is their medium range air to air missile, they have missiles above and below that in range performance... HATO is not stupid... they can model the aerodynamics of any missile and with its design shape and estimates for its rocket engine performance come up with very accurate models of its performance anyway.

    It killed its targets so that is really all that matters.

    If any secrets are compromised then start a programme to upgrade them and make the secrets revealed useless.

    It shows the range in real time depending on many parameters like speed, altitude, target's course, speed and altitude...

    I think you are reading way too much into the image... most of the time the range scales are adapted to what is happening.... so an air to air range scale showing 40km might be for very low flying targets only and launching a missile at such a target might result in the air to air missile heading directly down towards the low flying target, whereas for a target much further away it would climb and accelerate to a much higher speed and cruise a much greater distance to reach targets rather further away.

    What I am saying is that it took a more direct path because the target was relatively close and didn't need a lofted flight trajectory to reach the target.

    Having a look at the parameters showed on the HUD about their legacy air to air missile is just a huge advantage for nato air forces.

    Likely not the huge advantage you seem to think... they would already have a good estimate of the weapons range anyway based on their design and physical size and weight...

    Such missiles are in service in a few countries already too.

    The last video released with three r-77-1 missiles released showed the release at around 60 klicks. This is very good. Yes they could probably stretch ut out to 70/80 klicks against a fighter but that would probably fail to connect.

    Firing missiles at a retreating target is actually difficult... the tracking range of radar is dramatically reduced with a receeding target... on the first MiG-29s it was something like head to head it could track targets at 90km but a receeding target it was closer to 45km tracking range... and most missiles don't chase down receeding targets very well... the enormous advantage for the Soviets and now Russians was carrying a mix of SARH and IR guided missiles... enemy planes running away in full AB could be engaged with IR guided BVR missiles when the SARH would fail, whereas closing targets the SARH did much better than the IR missiles because the jet engine nozzles were not visible for the IR missiles to get good solid locks.

    For a plane like the SR-71 however the R-40T and R-40TD could both get locks from the front due to skin temperature at that speed.

    The NEZ of an air-to-air missile tends to be only 1/3 to 1/4 of the missile's maximum range.
    With a maximum range of 110km an R-77-1 would have an effective range of 27-36km against maneuverable targets like fighter jets.

    Very true but NEZ or No escape zone is a bit like MISSile... the NEZ is the distance where the missile still retains max energy and so it is the most difficult to evade.

    Pilots would never fire at anything at max kinetic range and would always train to shoot at closer ranges to increase the chance of a kill (Pk... or probability of a kill).

    Another binkov, but this time, without the sock

    You mean one sockpuppet instead of two... What a Face

    Zelensky only recently even claimed to be of Jewish descent. And its abundantly clear he is a puppet for the Americans AND the fascist forces controlled by America.

    A box tickers dream... they can't possibly be nazis because their leader is a jew.... about as convincing as... I can't be racist because I am not white, or I am white but my wife is not white, or I am white and so is my wife but I have a black dog so I can't be racist... Rolling Eyes

    Not that we know. Export uses got only rvv-ae which is the export r-77. Some say rvv-sd which is the export r-77-1 was bought by India and Egypt but no proof yet.

    RVV-AE used Ukrainian parts including AFAIK a Ukrainian seeker. My understanding is that the vast majority of export customers that got R-77 got RVV-AE while Russia itself did not buy very many at all. The RVV-SD is all Russian and is the first R-77 bought in numbers by the Russian military... but in their defence most of the time it was only the MiG-29SMs in their service that could operate the missiles anyway... plus a couple of Su-25TMs oddly enough.

    I rather suspect a new range of short and medium and long range missile models will be entering service very soon... a recent announcement said as much regarding the Su-57.

    R-77-1 has been in service since about 2017 or so and might be about to be superceeded by a newer more capable missile.

    Personally I always thought an air launched version of the S-350 missile family would make sense... both are long and slim and very low drag and have ARH seekers and from a ground launch with a range of 60km in one version and 150km in the other an air launched model should double their range at the very least, and they are reportedly very accurate and able to hit ballistic targets including shells and missile warheads.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:35 pm

    Looks like that strike in Vinnitsa really hit a sore spot

    https://t.me/intelslava/33416
    🇺🇦❗Zelensky announced the dismissal of 28 employees of the Ukrainian special service SBU for "unsatisfactory performance"

    https://t.me/intelslava/33423
    🇺🇦⚡Zelensky replaced the heads of SBU departments in Kharkiv, Sumy, Poltava, Zakarpattia and Dnipropetrovsk regions.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:39 pm

    Russia and Iran concluded a 40 billion dollar agreement on Gazprom and National Oil Co. Of Iran

    The largest foreign investment in Iranian oil

    I posted in economy thread but then this:

    🇮🇷 Tehran is ready to export military equipment and weapons - Iranian Army Commander Heydari

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:39 pm

    🇰🇵🇷🇺 The Russian Ambassador to the DPRK said that workers from North Korea will be able to go to work in the Donbass to participate in the restoration of the region's infrastructure.

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    Post  dionis Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:15 pm

    Are the Su-27SM, Su-27SM3 and Su-34 not R-77 capable?
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:42 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Looks like that strike in Vinnitsa really hit a sore spot

    https://t.me/intelslava/33416
    🇺🇦❗Zelensky announced the dismissal of 28 employees of the Ukrainian special service SBU for "unsatisfactory performance"

    https://t.me/intelslava/33423
    🇺🇦⚡Zelensky replaced the heads of SBU departments in Kharkiv, Sumy, Poltava, Zakarpattia and Dnipropetrovsk regions.

    Or, how about this post from MoA? In other words, the wheels are coming of the wagon but hopefully it can still make it to the airport to catch their flight to Miami or Tel Aviv Laughing Laughing

    I had a slightly different take on this so called firing - as this friend Bakanov is the one who's handling all of zelensky's investments and assets and is a partner for decades .

    My view is that this firing is a eyewash so that he can get out of government and go back to private life where he's going to finalise the groundwork for zelensky's eventual abdication and exit from government under the guise of ' new blood needed ' and ' i am tired ' narrative - That would enable him to retire peacefully and enjoy the billions he has looted.

    Who else can ensure that everything works this way other than your childhood best friend and partner who with his newly acquired experience in intelligence has acquired the knowledge, means and contacts to create the ideal situation to escape without taking any responsibility.

    Plus having someone with deep legal knowledge within your inner circle who's the ex prosecutor general means you are aware of the legal loopholes and obligations.

    I think this is a false flag


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    Post  caveat emptor Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:10 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:

    🇮🇷 Tehran is ready to export military equipment and weapons - Iranian Army Commander Heydari

    I hope that they will really get several hundred drones.
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    Post  Werewolf Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:22 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:🇰🇵🇷🇺 The Russian Ambassador to the DPRK said that workers from North Korea will be able to go to work in the Donbass to participate in the restoration of the region's infrastructure.

    Good, the isolation of North Korea has to stop. I find it mind boggling why Russia and China are keeping up with this farce. They should build up relationships with North Korea as it is a nuclear power and neighboring country. Fick the US and fick little South Korea. It is directly US's policy to keep North and South Korea on bad terms so they don't unite. Russia and China shouldn't allow that and show dominance on our boarders.

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    Post  Mir Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:47 pm

    dionis wrote:Are the Su-27SM, Su-27SM3 and Su-34 not R-77 capable?

    The Russians adopted the R-77's quite late so I don't think the Su-27SM's are R-77 capable, but the latter Su-27SM3 and the Su-34's are.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:08 pm

    North Korea must be integrated, it's fucking Liberast bullshit to keep North Korea out

    Well they should come to Donbass

    Also these deals with Iran are ground breaking

    The North South transport corridor, and the Gazprom deal mean a pipeline is coming to Iran, and going to India

    Power of Siberia 2 would be nice

    But a russia India pipeline would cement India as the competitor with China allowing India to power up their economy

    The TAPI pipeline was originally the idea , Gazprom will make it a reality getting a hand in the PARS oil fields and plugging into India

    Russia will not place its only bet on China, but on Iran and India, and Pakistan too

    Khan just won parliamentary elections too

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    Post  Belisarius Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:26 pm

    Another knocked out T-64 in the Donbass.
    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/15078

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    Post  Mir Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:27 pm

    BTW that "Zelenski shot" looks like a HEAT penetration from a anti-tank missile like the Refleks or something with curved rear fins?

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