Russian special military operation in Ukraine #21

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Dunno why this

"Won't make it to the frontline" crap is still be stated, History has shown Ukraine has no problems getting gear to the frontline despite the many claims said gear never will make it.

Panzer 2000 is a very good system, If the russians know what's good for them they will not allow that many of those things to reach the frontline

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Dunno why this

"Won't make it to the frontline" crap is still be stated, History has shown Ukraine has no problems getting gear to the frontline despite the many claims said gear never will make it.

Panzer 2000 is a very good system, If the russians know what's good for them they will not allow that many of those things to reach the frontline

flamming_python wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Dunno why this

"Won't make it to the frontline" crap is still be stated, History has shown Ukraine has no problems getting gear to the frontline despite the many claims said gear never will make it.

Panzer 2000 is a very good system, If the russians know what's good for them they will not allow that many of those things to reach the frontline

What history?

Or do you have statistics available as to how many Ukrainian-destined weapon systems and munitions make it to the front-line versus how many are destroyed en-route? Because I sure haven't seen any one way or the other.

flamming_python wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Dunno why this

"Won't make it to the frontline" crap is still be stated, History has shown Ukraine has no problems getting gear to the frontline despite the many claims said gear never will make it.

Panzer 2000 is a very good system, If the russians know what's good for them they will not allow that many of those things to reach the frontline

Like PD said it's a self-propelled gun

The difference in characteristics will not affect much, it's like arguing about what ATGM is better. So one gun shoots faster and with a longer range, another is slower or slightly less accurate - but the gun which is supplied with ammo consistently will have the advantage by far in any case over the gun which can only fire half the time.
And the battery that's organized and whose crew gets rest will outperform the adversary's battery even if their equipment is slightly more dated
And the side with more batteries and more ammo for them will completely blow away the other side

40 to 50 Ukrainian soldiers killed in 1 Russian airstrike because a woman working as cleaner at the facility told the Russians about their location.

2 hiding Ukrops in the back of a car captured in severodonetsk.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Dunno why this

"Won't make it to the frontline" crap is still be stated, History has shown Ukraine has no problems getting gear to the frontline despite the many claims said gear never will make it.

Panzer 2000 is a very good system, If the russians know what's good for them they will not allow that many of those things to reach the frontline

Like PD said it's a self-propelled gun

The difference in characteristics will not affect much, it's like arguing about what ATGM is better. So one gun shoots faster and with a longer range, another is slower or slightly less accurate - but the gun which is supplied with ammo consistently will have the advantage by far in any case over the gun which can only fire half the time.
And the battery that's organized and whose crew gets rest will outperform the adversary's battery even if their equipment is slightly more dated
And the side with more batteries and more ammo for them will completely blow away the other side

M777s have made it in bulk, Himars etc of course if you wanna try and pull the stats card which is impossible as no one here would have that information.

The statement was people HERE saying the weapons won't make it to the front despite the fact many many weapon systems have no problem is just a factually wrong statement

SeigSoloyvov wrote:
M777s have made it in bulk, Himars etc of course if you wanna try and pull the stats card which is impossible as no one here would have that information.

The statement was people HERE saying the weapons won't make it to the front despite the fact many many weapon systems have no problem is just a factually wrong statement

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Dunno why this

"Won't make it to the frontline" crap is still be stated, History has shown Ukraine has no problems getting gear to the frontline despite the many claims said gear never will make it.

Panzer 2000 is a very good system, If the russians know what's good for them they will not allow that many of those things to reach the frontline

flamming_python wrote:Oof

Vid in link
https://t.me/mapsukraine/1143

40 to 50 Ukrainian soldiers killed in 1 Russian airstrike because a woman working as cleaner at the facility told the Russians about their location.

https://t.me/mapsukraine/1145

2 hiding Ukrops in the back of a car captured in severodonetsk.

mnztr wrote:
Yes I agree, the fact that no major rail lines from the West seem to be disabled, and bridges are running just fine puzzles me.  Perhaps this is the plan to disarm NATO? In any case interdiction has not been effective. They still have fuel and new weapons are arriving quite fast.

crod wrote:According to Western news outlets that are quoting uki officials, the Kherson counter is underway.
Have they the manpower and firepower for this? How well have the Russians dug in there?

PapaDragon wrote:
It's an SPG

It will be good at surviving just as any other SPG so far

As for shooting nobody argues it ain't good