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Airbornewolf wrote:Hole wrote:https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2022/07/a-peculiar-math.html
Western (NATO) propaganda told us that the M777 and HIMASS would be used to destroy Russian artillery. In reality 99% of the attacks are against civilian targets,
because they tried to use the M777 in counter-battery fire and received a bloody nose. Now you can watch NATO mercenaries driving around in HIMASS panicly trying
to avoid being hit by russian high-precision weapons. They can´t be used to support military actions. This are not Wunderwaffen but Vergeltungswaffen (retaliatory weapons)
like V-1 and V-2. This proves that there is no VSU left, even with NATO help they´re just a bunch of single units fighting for themselves.
The best NATO can come up with in a fight against Russia are ISIS-style terror attacks. That´s what you get for 1,4 Trill. $.
Some people still have trouble to believe that an millitary organization like NATO, comprising several nations and that sinks ridiculous amounts of money into its "millitary" cant handle Russia.
Too long NATO rant here....
[One reason is that NATO is rife with absolute corruption when it comes to Defense spending.
massive NATO incompetency Rant here....
Arms manufacturers pay politicians to get premium deals trough their respective governments.
The weapon does not even have to match basic requirements. They just corrupt the field tests and push trough the paperworks.
One example is the Gill ATGM we procured. We took it to Afghanistan for actual field testing.
its an top-attack weapon, the versions we had in 2006 lost momentary contact with its target.
We fired three times, and every time we missed the target. this empty shipping container on the firing range by several meters.
The lock went fine, but every time the weapon was fired it slammed in an random position near the container.
Turned out, the Weapon could not re-acquire the shipping container as it was the same temperature as the surrounding desert.
it got worse than that, right after infantry used the heavy weapon range after sundown. The system was tested again, the container still retained heat. missile was locked on and fired again.
Instead of going for the container, it went for the still smoldering wreck that was hit by several AT weapons and was hotter than the container itself.
This weapon was not safe to operate, what would it do when one of our APC's was nearby in combat?. guns and engine glowing hot?.
We send this weapon home, nobody wanted to blow up one of our own APC's with guys inside.
3 years later in the bar, doing my above story with some troops. A few clarified what really happened during weapon trials.
The tests where done during autumn in Germany, They set up several heaters up on an firing range for the government officials and weapon manufacturer's representatives.
They encountered the exact same issue with the weapon deviating from its original target. Saying to the government officials witnessing the pre-demonstration test that this weapon was untrustworthy and an threat to own forces if they where nearby.
Their opinion was disregarded, they where to remove all heaters to just the one for the Demonstration.
The Deal was already approved, this was just all a show.
I got similar story's for several other recent NATO procurements.
one of my favorites is how we took the Fennek Recon to Afghanistan, got guys driving on IED's that got spread all over the vehicles interiors where you at best could scrape 25KG's of human remains from the walls.
All these IED incidents had the armor plating weld break right under the driver.
you know what the manufacturers said to us when we enquired about this issue to their Mechanics in Afghanistan?.
"your government opted out of the IED package for the vehicles, we knew, we offered it. they declined. Pricetag was "just" 30.000".
this led to an serious incident with Fennek operators and the Government back home.
The government explained eventually: "better 3000 euro for an funeral, than 30.000 and still have the vehicle wrecked just the same and paying for revalidation/compensation".
the entire unit quit, refusing to go to Afghanistan driving an casket on wheels.
NATO is just an heroine addict to the MIC. their own personal Dealer.
Nobody cares if the Weapon is suitable for War. Shit, most is not even suitable for peacetime training.
Its an miracle not more NATO troops die because of malfunctioning "new" weaponry.
Some of these things just blow their breach, sending the 50MM main gun breach out of the rear door of an IFV.
a handful of weapons are okay, the majority is just overpriced crap made for window-dressing.
Then there is the absolute incompetency in Leadership.
Nowadays, NATO is full of Yes men, and every adversary is an idiot.
it was not always like it is now, The great exodus of Good soldiers, sergeants, and officers came with Afghanistan and Iraq.
what led to everyone capable leaving was our own side just fed bullshit to the people back home like it was an "reconstruction mission, while some provinces where akin to open warfare.
everyone with criticism or guts to defy the command for their idiotic idea's either left themselves or where forced to leave.
you know with what you have left?.
Idiots that you hand over an pallet full boxes with propaganda flyers, saying "drop these over an town"
They dropped them allright, still in their boxes, strapped to the box pallet from the rear of an C-130 and the entire thing came down straight trough some poor afghan's roof.
Some guy responsible for ordering Fuel for the entire main ISAF base in the province reaches end of tour, and goes home.
Not finding it strange he has no replacement, and the new unit's command never notices the fuel bladder decreasing over the weeks.
Fuel ran out, and they where limited to foot patrols only without vehicle support. Villages at medium to long range where fucked and Taliban went to town on there.
Some absolutely backwards ass plan gets cooked up by command. Some new lieutenant looking for an career thinks its awesome and tells the men to grow some balls.
It pretty much went along the lines as we would expect. His unit over-extended, Taliban sprung the trap and his unit got isolated for an while.
Engaged 360 and taking some casualties, the Lieutenant froze. He was relieved of command by his senior sargeant mid-battle by yelling over the radio he'd took control witch his experienced troops followed.
The unit organized and held out until they could be reached by nearby units and QRF.
You know the current NATO culture and what happened here?.
The lieutenant had a "tactical freeze" , and the senior sergeant defied his authority and promptly was kicked out of the army.
His own unit protested, stating they probably where still alive because of him.
The Lieutenant should have been court-marshalled and the senior sergeant decorated and promoted for doing what he did.
Courage and self-initiative is strongly discouraged.
Doing exactly as you are told without question and aspiring to become some Drone in Brussels NATO HQ is desired.
Accept your orders that come trough NATO HQ and your own government, but are actually from your U.S Overlords.
And each and everyone of these officers are absolutely full of themselves.
In 2014 they where collectively wanking off how they would seize Crimea and its black sea port right from under Russia.
Those upstarts in Eastern Ukraine?. pffff.....no match for the superior leadership and training from NATO.
After that, station "missile shields" that in reality would have nuclear-tipped warheads for quick reload/replacement.
similar to the site in Romania and under construction in Poland.
There where still guys out there in NATO army's that warned what NATO/We where doing is unacceptable to the Russians.
That every single one of them was an reason for Russia to Respond. I was one of them.
The "anti terror" operation in eastern Ukraine supported by NATO.
Trying to seize Crimea and its black sea ports.
Ukraine being seized by Nazi's we openly supported.
etcetera etcetera
They all laughed, they all think there are no consequences.
Lower ranks just the same, My army used to pick from "hardened" recruits.
Kids that grew up with hardships in their lives. Poverty, meaning no luxury growing up.
Divorced parents, because it meant mental resilience.
Kids that had it tough. They where the most likely to make it trough Boot and survive traumatic encounters relatively unscathed.
Nowadays, the snowflakes are the ones.
Preferably the ones that check the most boxes: LGBTQ+++, Immigrant, alternative religions, Left leaning, because god forbid you feel your something for you national identity and your flag. social activists and etc etc.
Indeed they are usually the whiney scrawny ones.
And no...they can not meet the old military standards so we lower those too.
Because hauling around your own munitions, body armor and radio's is too tiring.
"its not service, i go on an Adventure Teehee!".
I can already see such cannon-fodder storming the Iranian beaches with their purple dyed hair and pulling out the phone to twitter they are winning while the Republican Gaurd are handing their asses to them...
Now realize I'm just one guy, with about 10 years wandering in random locations where NATO operates.
How big do you think this iceberg of incompetence and corruption in NATO really is?.
NATO is already logistically broken by Russia and the LPR and DPR.
Now its just trading its own last remaining pockets of equipment to extend the war.
They can F-16's, A-10s, HIMARS, PZH-2000's or whatever.
But it does not matter.
Like other users here mentioned way before me.
These "wunderwaffe" will not change the war.
It did not save the Nazi's in World war 2.
It will not save them now in the 2022 Denazification of Ukraine.
NATO will not save Ukraine,
It can not even save itself.
And i can not wait to see it choke to death on its own incompetence.
I assume youre talking about the spike er and nlos. Theyre excellent weapons. You guys were using it against ambiet temperature cans. The spike is used against hot AFVs. How tf would it acquire a friendly APC when its warhead has limited FOV that can only acquire targets in front of it? Only a retard would shoot an IR gyided F&F weapon at a friendly AFV. What do you expext an F&F IR guided ATGM go do? Lock lnto a cold target? Tell me how its bad for such an ATGM to lock on to a hot tank.
Tanks simplyy cannot be made ambient temperature. Its a matter of physics,which the spike exploits.
sepheronx
The US is preparing for a compromise?
