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    Post  Ispan 04/07/22, 08:54 pm


    What it says on the label.

    About artillery tactics and hostage taking


    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/07/04/noticias-de-la-guerra-04-07-2022-canones-y-rehenes/

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    Post  Hole 04/07/22, 09:16 pm

    Kharkov after Donbass. Question is will they liberate Dnjepropetrovsk and Zaporoshye simultaniously with Kharkov or afterwards. Or before? unshaven

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    After the liberation of Slovyansk and Kramatorsk the whole Nazi grouping facing Donetsk will be in serious trouble.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk 04/07/22, 09:17 pm

    Arrow wrote:Kharkiv region.


    As many analysts are saying, Kharkov is next after Slavic

    Look at the equipment being redeployed

    Kharkov will no longer be the site of some commando battles

    BTG are entering with mechanized units into the area

    We will see concentration of forces, possibly diluting the BTG near Seversk and Bakhmut as those areas do not require such manpower

    And sending another 5 or 6 BTG to Kharkov, tipping the balance of forces to Russia

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    Post  Arkanghelsk 04/07/22, 09:20 pm

    Hole wrote:Kharkov after Donbass. Question is will they liberate Dnjepropetrovsk and Zaporoshye simultaniously with Kharkov or afterwards. Or before? unshaven

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    After the liberation of Slovyansk and Kramatorsk the whole Nazi grouping facing Donetsk will be in serious trouble.

    I believe that it is possible to reach Dnipro and Zaporizhia and hold the position, maybe around Pavlograd

    And to storm Kharkov, the videos show buildup of mechanized equipment to Kharkov

    So most likely Slavic agglomeration is falling in next days or week

    Can Russian army do them both at the same time ?

    Well it is to be seen, Pavlograd they say is well defended by prepositioned fortifications similar but not in scale to donbass

    Kharkov in the other hand has been weakened since day Z, by commandos, sporadic clashes , intense iskander and artillery strikes

    So I believe Kharkov before Pavlograd/Dnipro/Zaporizhia

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    In response to your comment of VSU situation after Slavyansk

    There is no more large urban sites for them after they lose Slavyansk, they will abandon donbass and head to Pavlograd

    Everything behind slavyansk are small villages , they cannot defend it, the next largest urban areas are pavlograd and Dnipro after Slavyansk

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    Post  caveat emptor 04/07/22, 09:23 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:

    I think Kharkov, because it will push them from Belgorod and that's important- also Kharkov is nearer to attack, then chasing Pavlograd or Dnipro, although it could all happen at the same time

    Slow it down a little. First Slovyansk- Kramatorsk agglomeration, then south to Avdeyevka, then Pokrovsk and Dobropolye. In order to attack Dnepropetrovsk you need to take both Pavlograd and Zaporozhie first.
    Especially, Dnepropetrovsk has natural defence from the east and it will not be easy to attack.
    We are talking months here.
    Also, why do you call Dnepropetrovsk Dnipro? What kind of Russian are you?

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic 04/07/22, 09:28 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:

    I think Kharkov, because it will push them from Belgorod and that's important- also Kharkov is nearer to attack, then chasing Pavlograd or Dnipro, although it could all happen at the same time

    Slow it down a little. First Slovyansk- Kramatorsk agglomeration, then south to Avdeyevka, then Pokrovsk and Dobropolye. In order to attack Dnepropetrovsk you need to take both Pavlograd and Zaporozhie first.
    Especially, Dnepropetrovsk has natural defence from the east and it will not be easy to attack.
    We are talking months here.
    Also, why do you call Dnepropetrovsk Dnipro? What kind of Russian are you?

    The Russian name of that city is Ekaterinoslav, not Dnepropetrovsk... That was the Soviet name given in 1925.

    Ekaterinoslav was the Russian name given in 1787 during the official inauguration of the city (previously there was probably a smaller fortified town).

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    Post  Arkanghelsk 04/07/22, 09:34 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:

    Slow it down a little. First Slovyansk- Kramatorsk agglomeration, then south to Avdeyevka, then Pokrovsk and Dobropolye. In order to attack Dnepropetrovsk you need to take both Pavlograd and Zaporozhie first.
    Especially, Dnepropetrovsk has natural defence from the east and it will not be easy to attack.
    We are talking months here.
    Also, why do you call Dnepropetrovsk Dnipro? What kind of Russian are you?

    It goes:

    - Seversk

    - Bakhmut

    - Slavyansk

    - Kramatorsk

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    Avdeyevka won't be stormed , it will be surrounded and cut off

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    I don't believe it will take months, the Donbass is falling in next week's

    Most analysts are shocked how quickly this area fell already

    I expect all these operations to take place significantly faster , the maps have not even updated the situation at Seversk

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    Most expected a pause after lisichansk to regroup, resupply, but Seversk is already under attack

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    Post  caveat emptor 04/07/22, 09:38 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    The Russian name of that city is Ekaterinoslav, not Dnepropetrovsk... That was the Soviet name given in 1925.

    Ekaterinoslav was the Russian name given in 1787 during the official inauguration of the city (previously there was probably a smaller fortified town).
    I agree, but Ekaterinoslav is name during Imperial times. Even worse is calling Kharkov, Kharkiv. That has to be most retarded thing ever. That transliteration is being used only since post 2014. In reality I've never heard anyone using that name unless he is a complete foreigner. Not even Ukrainians use that name in every day communication.

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    Post  Werewolf 04/07/22, 09:44 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:

    Slow it down a little. First Slovyansk- Kramatorsk agglomeration, then south to Avdeyevka, then Pokrovsk and Dobropolye. In order to attack Dnepropetrovsk you need to take both Pavlograd and Zaporozhie first.
    Especially, Dnepropetrovsk has natural defence from the east and it will not be easy to attack.
    We are talking months here.
    Also, why do you call Dnepropetrovsk Dnipro? What kind of Russian are you?

    Then start calling Zaporozhie by its russian name Aleksandrovsk. Ukropians have renamed most major cities and they should be renamed to what they were before. Thy did this to create some artificial difference between Ukrainians and Russians to underline their uniqueness.


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    Post  caveat emptor 04/07/22, 09:47 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:

    I don't believe it will take months, the Donbass is falling in next week's

    You're either flying or crying, there's no middle road for you.

    As for Lisichansk- Severodonetsk area, finally Zelensky listened to Zaluzhny and they withdrew forces. I don't think rest will go so fast. Especially Kramatorsk, which is easier to defend then Slavyansk and Bakhmut, from point of geographical position and has an airport and big industrial area.
    One of the reasons of failure for Donbas militias around Slavyansk in 2014 was that they never managed to take a high point just outside the city. I don't remember the name, but it had some sort of a tower on the top. Ukrainians kept that height and used artillery to control roads in and out of the city.

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    Post  caveat emptor 04/07/22, 09:53 pm

    Werewolf wrote:

    Then start calling Zaporozhie by its russian name Aleksandrovsk. Ukropians have renamed most major cities and they should be renamed to what they were before. Thy did this to create some artificial difference between Ukrainians and Russians like they are different ethnicities.
    Zaporozhye and Dnepropetrovsk are Soviet time names and not Ukrainian. As in case of Ekaterinoslav, Aleksandrovsk is a name from time of Empire. They might or might not go back to those names if/when cities are recaptured.
    I'm just trying to make a distinction between widely used names and their "Ukrainized" retarded version from near past. Kharkiv and Kyiv being the most idiotic ones.

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    Post  ucmvulcan 04/07/22, 10:39 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:

    Then start calling Zaporozhie by its russian name Aleksandrovsk. Ukropians have renamed most major cities and they should be renamed to what they were before. Thy did this to create some artificial difference between Ukrainians and Russians like they are different ethnicities.
    Zaporozhye and Dnepropetrovsk are Soviet time names and not Ukrainian. As in case of Ekaterinoslav, Aleksandrovsk is a name from time of Empire. They might or might not go back to those names if/when cities are recaptured.
    I'm just trying to make a distinction between widely used names and their "Ukrainized" retarded version from near past. Kharkiv and Kyiv being the most idiotic ones.

    I think, just to cause the Ukes to piss their pants, that Donetsk should revert to Stalino until the end of the Special military operation.

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    Post  Hole 04/07/22, 10:49 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:

    Then start calling Zaporozhie by its russian name Aleksandrovsk. Ukropians have renamed most major cities and they should be renamed to what they were before. Thy did this to create some artificial difference between Ukrainians and Russians like they are different ethnicities.
    Zaporozhye and Dnepropetrovsk are Soviet time names and not Ukrainian. As in case of Ekaterinoslav, Aleksandrovsk is a name from time of Empire. They might or might not go back to those names if/when cities are recaptured.
    I'm just trying to make a distinction between widely used names and their "Ukrainized" retarded version from near past. Kharkiv and Kyiv being the most idiotic ones.

    I think, just to cause the Ukes to piss their pants, that Donetsk should revert to Stalino until the end of the Special military operation.

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #20 - Page 3 Putin_11
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    Post  Hole 04/07/22, 10:51 pm

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    Shoot a missile trough my window... Sounds like a song.  Laughing

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    Post  Broski 04/07/22, 11:02 pm

    Hole wrote:Kharkov after Donbass. Question is will they liberate Dnjepropetrovsk and Zaporoshye simultaniously with Kharkov or afterwards. Or before? unshaven
    I would guess simultaneously, all 3 territories have less than 25 BTG's between them and aren't fortified like the LDPR was, they'll flee to the major cities and use the people as human shields but it won't be anything like Mariupol.

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    Post  Werewolf 04/07/22, 11:29 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Zaporozhye and Dnepropetrovsk are Soviet time names and not Ukrainian. As in case of Ekaterinoslav, Aleksandrovsk is a name from time of Empire. They might or might not go back to those names if/when cities are recaptured.
    I'm just trying to make a distinction between widely used names and their "Ukrainized" retarded version from near past. Kharkiv and Kyiv being the most idiotic ones.

    Many cities have been renamed under jewish Communist party especially after the creation of Ukraine back in 1918. Aleksandrovsk was renamed in 1921 when the Bolsheviks with their politics have been doing the division of of Russian Empire to better control territory and people. If you look at the statistics of how many cities have been renamed in CCCP and the geographical location, then you will see the trend.

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    Post  JohninMK 04/07/22, 11:48 pm

    Ispan wrote:
    What it says on the label.

    About artillery tactics and hostage taking

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/07/04/noticias-de-la-guerra-04-07-2022-canones-y-rehenes/

    War news 07/04/2022 - Cannons and hostages
    July 4, 2022 Zhukov

    Artillery tactics

    Since this is an artillery and infantry war, I was looking for signs that would confirm the numbers of destruction of artillery pieces and rocket launchers given by Russian communiques. Not that I think they lie, although inevitably there is always a margin of error that leads to overestimating losses, and some of the material taken for granted can be repaired. But on the other hand, Ukraine's huge losses in both troops and materiel are confirmed by the Ukrainian side itself.

    An explanation already raised above is that Ukraine has received many pieces and ammunition of Soviet calibers, from the countries of the former Warsaw Pact, in particular from Poland. I estimate that a couple of hundred minimum, more than the hundred American guns is likely to be, as it happens with aviation, Ukraine has lost more aircraft than they theoretically had in service, and we are not in times of world wars or even Korean, in which the claims of shootdowns were always exaggerated.

    It seems that the artillery fire in the Donbass salient has decreased, which is logical, defeats and setbacks follow and pieces are lost. On the static fronts, this is Kharkov, the Central Zaporozhe and the Southern Kherson Front reports speak of artillery duels along the entire front, which indicates that the Ukrainians still have quite a few cannons left, although from rocket launchers very few and large-caliber ones are running out of ammunition. But that could also indicate dispersion of the surviving pieces along the entire front, and the profusion of artillery duels simply reflects the tactics of firing and changing positions before the arrival of the response.

    I found this report that explains the situation and confirms what I suspected:

    Tactics of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Cosmetic changes.

    The Kiev regime is now relying on relatively high-precision Western weapons, and attacks such as stabbings for the destruction with accurate fire of command posts, artillery ammunition depots and the accumulation of material of the allied forces. The artillery of the Ukrainian army is now scattered along the front, and the enemy is trying to disrupt the command of the troops and the supply of advanced forces. Is it painful? Definitely. Is it possible to minimize the damage caused by such actions? Definitely. And to do this, you just need to read the regulations. Everything is there, everything was invented a long time ago.

    In fact, you can see how Western military experts mold the Ukrainian army plasticine. At the cost of the lives of the personnel of the regime formations, the theoretical postulates of military science are tested in practice. Well, there was a lot to fight for. In this sense, it is valuable that our national army also has organizational and military-technical methods that allow us to overcome the enemy. The main thing is not to be lazy.

    @epoddubny

    Observations: This confirms that artillery is scarce and that it is a question of maximizing its effect by taking advantage of the advantage given by American intelligence, through satellites and other means, to attack sensitive and vulnerable targets with a few shots. After all, it only takes one lucky projectile to blow up a powder magazine or injure or kill officers at a command post. But this is in itself an admission of weakness. There are no mass gatherings or prolonged shelling because there is no ammunition. This also means that there is no possibility of defensive fires, of barrier shots to support the infantry in defending their positions. This is confirmed by all the reports from the front that the Ukrainians are overwhelmed by the Russian shelling.

    What Poddubny says about the need to resort to the old Soviet methods and tactics is confirmed by another correspondent



    Sent from Older than the Edda – Старше Адды
    I have a friend, an excellent soldier and a very competent officer. So, just now he uttered a wonderful phrase: Forget about what you were taught at the Academy and read books about the Great Patriotic War, everything is written there. It is clear that he exaggerated a little about the Academy, but the fact that the chronicles of the Second World War contain a lot of useful information for the current war is an indisputable fact. I myself am reading a book from 1975, "At the Kharkov address". The same places, exactly the same assaults, only the forces of the opposing sides are smaller.
    Unfortunately, although the bombings against Donetsk have decreased, Ukrainians still have cannons and rocket launchers for terrorist attacks against other populations, as reported on July 2
    Older than the Edda – Старше Адды

    For a relatively long time, the city of Balakleya has not been shelled by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, although it is located almost on the line of contact. Peaceful life has begun to improve in the city, the city administration and services are functioning. Unlike Izyum, Balakleya was relatively calm. I was surprised myself when I came to see that the city located almost on the first line, lives a relatively normal life.

    But for several days now, Balakleya has been shelled by artillery and rockets. Moreover, they attack the city itself, and not the positions of Russian troops. What is the reason, I don't know, most likely it will be banal, like all the attacks on residential areas of Ukraine in this war. The troops of General Lapin (Central group) are actively advancing, destroying the enemy and liberating settlements, and in response, the Ukrainian army is shelling those cities that are within its reach.

    On July 3, the same correspondent again reported on the war crimes of the Ukrainian army, which has turned into a routine both the use of civilians of the occupied territory as human shields and the revenge bombings against the liberated villages and cities

    An extremely revealing story happened earlier this week in the Kharkov region. It's no secret that the Kharkov regionhas become the scene of intense fighting at the moment. From Izyum, our troops are moving towards Slaviansk, in the north of the region, the enemy tried a counteroffensive, and Belgorod was also shelled from there today. Russian troops are carrying out heavy attacks on Ukrainian Forces, and some of the territories lost during the Ukrainian counteroffensive have returned to Russian control. And so on.

    At the beginning of the week, a very typical case occurred in the Kharkov suburb, the locality of Pokatilovka. The village did not become a stronghold of the Ukrainian forces. It is a small, compact and friendly town, with a millenary history. Around the village there are many ancient monuments, the most famous of which is the Donetsk Hill castle.

    Instead of protecting this historical heritage, the city became a hostage of the Ukrainian army. The Armed Forces of Ukraine concentrated several armored vehicles in the village, deployed cannons and rocket artillery on the streets and began firing. It is clear that the response was not long in coming and the Russian artillery retaliated by shelling the Ukrainian positions.
    The reaction of the residents was remarkable. They elected a group of representatives and sent it to the military command of the forces in the village, asking them to withdraw their units and not to fire from the streets of the city, provoking retaliatory attacks suffered by residents.

    The civilians were handed over by the military to the SBU (political police). They were arrested and taken to an unknown destination. Some of them were released, but most of them remain in the hands of the SBU. No official charges have been filed, but the relatives of the detainees have been told that they are "traitors" and "accomplices of Russia," who are awaiting trial and imprisonment.

    Once again, the truth is confirmed. The population of the south-east of Ukraine, even despite the fact that the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are full of natives of these very places, are hostages of the Kiev regime that does not consider them at all as people. As after the occupation of each population by Russian troops, Ukrainian artillery begins to lay waste to it, and before the city/village/village was occupied, the locals act as a human shield.

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    Post  ucmvulcan 04/07/22, 11:52 pm

    Hole wrote:

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    Or call the city Putino Laughing

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    Post  Erk 05/07/22, 01:23 am

    This video emphasizes my previous post on why I think they should focus on the city of Dontesk next.

    https://s3.cdnstatic.space/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Donetsk.mp4?_=1

    https://southfront.org/donetsk-on-fire-more-civilians-killed-as-a-result-of-shelling-by-ukrainian-nazis/

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    Post  d_taddei2 05/07/22, 02:51 am

    A bit off topic but wasn't sure where to post seems Latvia is now going to tear down all Soviet monuments. There will be nothing worthwhile to visit and see for tourists, all the Soviet monuments are pretty amazing, however they will replace them with nothing. Such a dumb move. When I visited Kiev in 2019 (had visited a few times previously) they had removed quite a lot just empty concrete plinths Looked terrible. Yet majority of the monuments are to celebrate Soviet victory in WW2 and to remember the dead who sacrificed their lives, including Latvians. They really are a bunch of dumb orcs.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/latvia-to-tear-down-hundreds-of-soviet-monuments-kchkx885w

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    Post  Erk 05/07/22, 03:10 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:A bit off topic but wasn't sure where to post seems Latvia is now going to tear down all Soviet monuments. There will be nothing worthwhile to visit and see for tourists, all the Soviet monuments are pretty amazing, however they will replace them with nothing. Such a dumb move. When I visited Kiev in 2019 (had visited a few times previously) they had removed quite a lot just empty concrete plinths Looked terrible. Yet majority of the monuments are to celebrate Soviet victory in WW2 and to remember the dead who sacrificed their lives, including Latvians. They really are a bunch of dumb orcs.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/latvia-to-tear-down-hundreds-of-soviet-monuments-kchkx885w

    The Baltic states elder citizens have a lot of anger against Russia because of the WW2 occupation of their countries to gain strategic access to their Baltic sea ports, which don't freeze as easily due to the high salt content of the waters, however, many people in the Baltic states married Russians, so it must be very frustrating to see this recent manufactured hate.

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    Post  Backman 05/07/22, 03:20 am

    Ukraine shill Twitter is elated about the HIMARS being used to kill civilians. They couldn't get an insurgency going inside any areas so they are going to use American supplied HIMARS to shell cities instead.

    This is the strategy. All the propaganda accounts are signal boosting this now. Russia has to respond.
    The US is sending more of these kinds of weapons right now.




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    Post  sepheronx 05/07/22, 03:31 am

    Julian and the west in general always gloated over dead russian civilians. Nothing has changed. Just keep those tweets for later to use against him or his cohorts and call him out for the racist pos him and his friends are.

    Honestly, a guided missile launched at him would spare the rest of the world of his stupidity.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk 05/07/22, 03:32 am

    sepheronx wrote:Julian and the west in general always gloated over dead russian civilians. Nothing has changed.  Just keep those tweets for later to use against him or his cohorts and call him out for the racist pos him and his friends are.

    Honestly, a guided missile launched at him would spare the rest of the world of his stupidity.

    Except 3 of the 5 were fucking Ukrainians from Kharkov

    Bandera is an asshole

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    Post  Arkanghelsk 05/07/22, 03:35 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:

    I don't believe it will take months, the Donbass is falling in next week's

    You're either flying or crying, there's no middle road for you.

    As for Lisichansk- Severodonetsk area, finally Zelensky listened to Zaluzhny and they withdrew forces. I don't think rest will go so fast. Especially Kramatorsk, which is easier to defend then Slavyansk and Bakhmut, from point of geographical position and has an airport and big industrial area.
    One of the reasons of failure for Donbas militias around Slavyansk in 2014 was that they never managed to take a high point just outside the city. I don't remember the name, but it had some sort of a tower on the top. Ukrainians kept that height and used artillery to control roads in and out of the city.

    Lol there was no directive to retreat from "zaluzhny"

    The ones that got out simply abandoned the area

    Kramatorsk is a question of blocking M-03

    Then it's over

    The Severdonetsk and Lisichansk operations were the most similar to Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, with the main difference being it was easier to defend severodonetsk and lisichansk due to the river and bridges

    Once Bakhmut and Seversk are taken

    Kramatorsk is a matter of shelling them and storming the city from all sides

    M-03 is the only road of life for the city and it connects Bakhmut

    There is no other supply line behind kramatorsk

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