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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #20

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jul 04, 2022 6:24 am

    Ispan wrote:Special report, news, info and food for thought

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/07/03/noticias-de-la-guerra-03-07-2022-informe-especial/

    War news 07/03/2022 special report
    3 July, 2022 Zhukov

    TODAY 03 July

    Summary of Boris Rozhin 10:40 (revised and corrected translation)

    1. Lisichansk.
    The city is liberated. A clean-up operation is underway. The remnants of the enemy group escaped through Belogorovka to Seversk.
    In the coming days, Lisichansk will no longer be mentioned in military reports. The liberation of the Lugansk Republic from Ukrainian occupation will be announced after the capture of Belogorovka. The enemy lost all the important cities of the former Lugansk region.

    2. Soledar.
    The Seversk-Soledar line is the next line of defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine covering Artemivsk and the Slaviansk—Artemivsk highway. The enemy has strengthened its reserves and hopes to delay the offensive of the Russian Armed Forces after the end of the clearing of the Lisichansk salient.
    The Russian Armed Forces are fighting in the Nikolaevka area and on Spornogo, and and clearing Verkhnekamenskoye, through which the advance to Seversk will go.
    In Berestovo and Belogorovka (others) unchanged.

    3. Artemovsk.
    The "Wagner Group" expelled the enemy from the locality of Klinovoe. The starting bases for advancing to Artemovsk have been reached. Pokrovskoe is still in the hands of the enemy.
    On the southeastern outskirts of Artemivsk, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are equipping positions in residential buildings, expelling residents.
    Fighting in the Kodema and Semigorye area, where our troops are trying to isolate the group defending the Novoluganskoe and Uglegorsk thermal power plants from the main enemy forces.

    Note: This bag on the Svitlodarsk reservoir power plants is kept only because the Russians want to capture the power plants intact



    Details about the taking of Klin - Cassad

    The fighting there continued for quite a long time, the enemy defended himself by relying on the artillery group concentrated in the Artemovsk area. But the other day, even before our forces drove out the enemyfrom Klin, preparations began for defensive positions on the southeastern outskirts of Artemivsk, local residents began to be evicted from their homes, where they began to equip firing positions, digging trenches and equipping anti-tank positions became more active. The command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine obviously suspected that Klin could not be held for a long time and in advance began to strengthen the defenses of Artemovsk in this direction.

    Klinovoye, by the way, was taken by the fighters of the PMC "Wagner". Another plus in the reputation of a strong assault infantry.

    4.Slavyansk.
    Battles near Bogorodichny, Dolina, Krasnopolya, Sidorovo. The shelling of the group defending Slavyansk has intensified. After the capture of Seversk, the advance to Slavyansk from the east will begin.

    5.Izyum.
    Positional battles on Bolshaya Kamyshevakha, Kurulka.
    The enemy is trying to force the flank of the Izyum group by shelling from Barvenkovo, and trying to force the passage of the Seversky Donets River, but has not achieved any success. The front in the direction of Barvenkovo does not change. The Russian Armed Forces launch missile attacks on Pavlograd, on the communication lines of the Slavyansk group.

    6. Avdeyevka.
    No change. Located near the Avdeyevka—Kostiantynivka highway. Advance to Krasnogorovka is not possible. There is no progress in New York.
    The enemy shelled Donetsk, Makeyevka, Yasinovataya and launched rockets at targets in the deep rear of the LDNR territory, targeting ammunition depots and headquarters with the information of American intelligence.

    7. Ugledar.
    Fighting in the area of Pavlovka, Yegorovka, Shevchenko. The enemy's activity was unsuccessful, although it forced our troops to make efforts to repel the attempted offensive. Operationally, the situation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has not improved. There are no changes in Novomikhailovka and Marinka.

    8. Zaporozhe.
    There are no changes on the line Kamenskoye—Orekhov—Gulyai—Pole-Velikaya Novoselka. Positional battles, patrol activity on both sides. Activation of operations on this front is possible towards the end of the summer and depends on the course of the battle in the Donbas. The enemy will try to organize an offensive on Pologi or Vasilyevka in the coming months.

    9. Nikolayev.
    Positional battles in the Nikolayev, Krivoy Rog and Nikopol directions. In the direction of Krivoy Rog, the Ukrainian Armed Forces occupied Ivanovka, which was located in the gray zone.
    The Russian Armed Forces continue to launch high-intensity missile strikes against Nikolayev.

    10. Kharkiv.
    On the night of July 3, Belgorod was shelled from the Kharkov direction from multiple rocket launchers. Located in the center of Belgorod, on Mayakovsky Street. Private houses were destroyed. At 10.00 Moscow time, the death of 5 people was reported.

    Note: among them a refugee family from Kharkov

    The Russian Armed Forces are increasing pressure on the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the area of Dementievka and Verkhnikov Prokhodov. The Ukrainian Armed Forces recognize the withdrawal from the border and the advance of the front to the northern outskirts of Kharkov.
    Kharkov is not expected to be stormed. The Russian Armed Forces are improving their positions, crushing the opposing forces of the enemy (in some parts, losses are up to 20-30% per week) and preventing the enemy command from transferring forces to the Donbass, where the Ukrainian army has an acute shortage of combat-ready units.

    Note: This is a secondary front and the forces engaged are very small, they are estimated between about 7-9 battalion groups on both sides, that is, about ten thousand men, probably in a 3 to 1 ratio in favor of the Ukrainians. That is why some villages change hands so easily and in which the defense is solidified the Russian advance is stopped. There are simply no means of storming Kharkov or doing more than keeping the enemy at bay and away from the Russian border.

    11. Island of Snakes.
    The enemy attacked the abandoned Russian materiel on the island. Before that, the island was bombed by Russian aircraft. The infrastructure on the island is destroyed. The enemy does not carry out the occupation of the island, with the excuse that the landing zones are mined. We are waiting for the landing of a helicopter for a photo shoot in order to cover the difficult situation in the Donbas with pictures of Zmeiny. The island is still in the "gray zone".

    The forgotten fronts: the central front

    What happens in Ugledar? Chronicle of the battles from June 22 to July 2 – Rybar

    The front in the Ugledar district stabilized in in March, so you may get the impression that there is no fighting there. This is not true - the situation on the site is simply poorly covered in the media due to serious communication problems in the region.

    There are constant artillery duels along the contact line, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces are even making offensive attempts. One of them happened at the end of last month.

    General situation

    Since the spring, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have periodically tried to attack the positions of the Russian Armed Forces and the Donetsk People's Militia on the Pavlovka-Nikolskoye — Vladimirovka line. The Ukrainian army did not have any significant successes: even with the numerical superiority, only a few villages, such as the Novomayorskoe locality southwest of Ugledar, were captured by the enemy during all this time.

    Villages along the contact line became a humanitarian disaster zone, and some residents could not be evacuated in an organized manner due to the constant shelling of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    Progress of the battle

    ▪ At the end of June, the Ukrainian command was able to concentrate up to several incomplete battalions in a small area and go on the offensive. On the night of June 21, Ukrainian forces attacked the Russian positions in Pavlovsk from the northern and western directions.

    ▪ The village was in the hands of a single Marine unit, and fighting broke out in it. By the middle of June 22, Ukrainian units had captured the village and its surroundings, and several Russian servicemen were captured. Shevchenko's small farm was also under enemy control.

    On the same day, Ukrainian units tried to take advantage of their success and launched an attack. However, they met resistance from Russian units and a military police battalion of the Donetsk Republic. Heavy clashes broke out on the outskirts of the village.

    ▪ The next day, on June 23, several companies from Ukraine secretly tried to reach the rear of the Allied forces on Yegorovka through a gap, however, they were quickly detected by a drone. Artillery fire was opened on the attackers, and the arriving Russian helicopters accurately attacked them from the air.

    The Ukrainian units suffered heavy losses and retreated to Pavlovka. According to the radio interception, the survivors refused to go to the next attack and accused their own command of treason and sabotage.

    Since June 23, the Allied forces have been conducting a counteroffensive in the area - they pushed the enemy back from the front line. Recovered Yegorov also established control over Shevchenko, placing positions there. Pavlovsk is still occupied by the Ukrainian army.

    What is the result?

    The attackers did not achieve even significant tactical successes. The Ukrainian attack stalled, and the units of the Russian Armed Forces and the People's Militia of the DPR, which are much inferior in number, even regained some of their positions and continue to occupy the "gray zone".

    The plan of the Ukrainian command also raises questions: there are no strategically significant supply lines or facilities in the area near Ugledar, the demolition of which could seriously complicate the situation of the Allied forces. The capture of a single village is difficult to call even a satisfactory result with incomparably higher losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    Kiev will again try to launch an offensive in the Ugledar sector. The Ukrainian army does not yet ha e critical problems with the lack of troops, so the Ukrainian army will continue to send a large number of untrained units into battle, regardless of losses, in order to take advantage of the numerical advantage over the allied forces in the sector



    Other reports and news of interest



    Losses of the Donetsk Republic

    Let's remember those who fell in combat to achieve victory, those who fell by the wayside and do not come out in the photos of the liberation, in the words of Boris Rozhin:

    "...first of all, it is worth remembering those who took Popasnaya, as a result of which many of the fruits of our success in the Donbas blossomed. In addition to those who broke the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of Novotoshkovsky and Toshkovka, which made it possible to encircle first the fortified area in the Gorsky and Zolotoy, and then run on the road Artemovsk-Lisichansk, which in fact forced the command of the army of the Ukrainian begin to retreat from the fortified area of Lisichansk".

    Official losses of the DPR from January 1 to July 1, 2022:

    Military:

    Dead 2,247
    Injured 9,453

    Civil:

    Dead 687
    Injured 2,228



    About the Russian tactics

    But if we talk about losses, I would like to give a few words to the opposite side.
    The retreating Ukrainian army, with every attack of our troops, suffers serious losses. I will describe a large offensive operation that took place before my very eyes

    (…)

    Before advancing towards the Ukrainian positions, they are subjected to massive artillery shelling. So massive that I'm not afraid to call it artillery terror. Even before the end of the artillery preparation, our infantry forces begin to move in the direction of the enemy (to the front). At the end of the artillery preparation, the enemy, who does not yet have time to recover and make a count of the damage suffered, is faced with an assault on their positions. If suddenly the enemy finds the strength to put up at least a relatively stubborn resistance, then our infantry does not attack, but retreats in an organized manner to the starting line. And the terror of artillery begins again. Once again, our infantry is approaching.

    This can be repeated 2, 3, 4 or even more times. As long as the enemy is not in a position where it simply makes no sense to continue fighting: losses in killed and wounded are great, fortifications have been severely destroyed, materiel and ammunition depots have been destroyed.

    Most often, the next attack of our infantry ends with the fact that we advance and occupy the enemy's broken and abandoned positions.



    Problems of liberation - The poverty of the peasants of Ukraine

    Vladlen Tatarsky

    I have never seen anything more gloomy than the villages of the Volnovakha district, which are closer to Velikaya Novoselovka. Most of the courtyards look shabby. Most of the houses were built during the Soviet era. Of course, schools and kindergartens of the same era.

    It can be seen that in the early 2000s, some well-to-do residents, by the standards of the village, managed to put plastic windows and slightly improve their courtyards.

    There are well-built farms, but they do not contribute to the prosperity of the village. The roads are dead, everything is gloomy. Most of these farms have been destroyed by Grad rockets.

    It is difficult for local residents to adhere to any ideology, since absolutely nothing has changed for them for decades. They see no point in it. Many immediately took the side of the Donetsk Republic, hoping that Russia would quickly end everything and not kill their cow.

    The people of the villages are bitter. There is no electricity, communication in certain places, there are no pensions, humanitarian workers do not come. The front is close, so be very careful. The spoken language is Surzhik (mixed dialect of Russian and Ukrainian)

    Observations and reflections:

    I remember testimonies of Ukrainian propaganda fighters in which the inks were loaded with the poverty of the rural inhabitants of Donbass in contrast to the "prosperous and European" cities of Ukraine. What makes it cruelly ironic is that in reality these peasant rabble were either descendants of the Ukrainian peasants who populated the region since the tsars regained the "Wild Fields" or emigrants from other regions of Ukraine. The Russians founded and populated the cities. These peasants who did not support the Donbass rebellion were actually more "Ukrainians", if there is such a thing, than the Russians from the Nazi battalions converted to Ukrainian nationalism from Dnipro and Kharkov. One of the testimonies I read about the 2014 campaign, on Diana Mihailova's blog (bmpd livejournal), from a Ukrainian tank captain, said that he was struck, in the midst of the general hostility of the inhabitants, and mutual contempt, that in a village a woman with a child in her arms cheerfully greeted the passage of his column. It might as well be true.

    In reality it has always been like this, the peasants are always poor and backward everywhere, what the Ukrainian propagandists were ignoring is that most of the villages of Western Ukraine are like this, or worse, because the soil is not so fertile. In reality, this civil war is a struggle between the countryside and the city, the rural peasantry of Galicia against the urban proletariat of the industrial workers of Donbass. In reality, Ukrainian nationalism is just another repetition of the eternal serf revolts, which unfortunately took over the power of a Moderna, with its repressive machinery and its army.

    Being cynical, while the Russian army prevents the bombing of cities, as the majority of its inhabitants are russians, we may not have much contemplation with small towns, as civilian losses are minor and of all forms of the inhabitants of the towns, except in Kharkov, are, or were supporters of Ukraine, although in reality the farmers are generally submissive to the powers that be.

    It is a small consolation that among the civilian victims there is a proportion who have sought it, and if this seems cruel, imagine how the Donbass Russians feel. In testimonies that I read on Telegram channels, which the Russians themselves consider the best source of information, a war correspondent felt frightened by how divisions are festering among the population of the liberated territories. Past the fear of the regime, when the minority of supporters of Ukraine could still intimidate the rest, once it has become clear that the Russians have come to stay, the inevitable reckoning of civil wars occurs. It all depends on the specific people, for example, there was a woman whose son was fighting with the Ukrainians and she was treated with respect as just another victim of the war. After all, there are cases that break the heart, like the one that Commander Khodakovsky told of a mother from Donbass who called him to ask if her son, an officer in the Ukrainian army, was among the Mariupol prisoners, but how long will this attitude to death and the suffering inflicted by the Ukrainian revenge bombings on the liberated cities last? Will this not provoke hatred and reprisals against the former supporters of Ukraine?

    No doubt the informers and those committed to the crimes and oppression of the regime will receive their due, if they do not flee, but in my opinion, based on the historical experience of the besieged populations, confirmed in this war, is that the Ukrainian regime with its criminal tactics of using civilians as hostages and shields, of razing everything in its scorched earth tactic, and in revenge bombings is alienating the entire population. He turns not only the indifferent and submissive mass against him, but also his own supporters.

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    Post  Werewolf Mon Jul 04, 2022 6:29 am

    I am not surprised to read the usual ZRADA guys reactions over the barrage of Belgorod and Kursk.

    Some of you need really get your hormones in balance and stop reacting so emotionally.

    The Ukropians did not launch the attack on Belgorod and Kursk to kill civilians based on their own will. It is clear that it was directly US soldiers and MRLS operators who have peformed and killed Russians as no Ukropian could be trained to operate it in such a short time.

    For many years the US and NATO analysts have been on the same page that Russia's PVO is the best in the world. All that time they could only imagine the potential capability of it and how to overcome it with simulations and hypothetical war games. Now they have a chance to test the strengths and weaknesses of Russia's PVO with fairly modern MRLS systems. It should be to no surprise, that the Ukrops were totally down for this request in their usual blood thirst and Nazi ideology to strike Russian cities. The US uses this as they used nukes on civilian cities  in Japan to analyze and test what they have and demonstrate and globally announce who the Boss is.

    The US, in advance, tried to blame Ukraine by saying that Russian territory will not be targeted so the blame should lie with Ukraine. This is just another test of the US on the promises by Russia to swiftly react by striking Decision Making Centers. If the reaction was just some more Iskanders, then even to the average Ukro, it is nothing more than just one more Siren singing about them getting Calibrated and an explosion somewhere across the country, another fake story about civilians deaths.
    Nothing changed.
    No one was afraid and the bluff is out. That will mean they will make another small step in a more provocative way and testing when will the bear finally act to their plans and devour the Ukraine.

    You have to understand the mentality at hand of Ukros and the US. While the US planned to annihilate and paralyze a possible Red Army invasion of Germany by detonating nuclear warheads in major cities (logistical planned curse) to fight the imbalanced forces of superior Red Army tank and artillery fleets and stop the invasion. The mentality of Ukros now is at a stage where they would happily detonate a nuke on their own soil and blow up some eastern city of Kokaina just to blame the Russians and bath themselves in pity, hatred, blood lust and pseudo sympathy by the civilized West.

    They are testing with small steps patience, PVO capability and reactionary measures, which will result in overhaul assessment of how to bring Russia down.


    Now my own 5 useless cents...

    Let us not pretend that we are some Genaralissimos here and would have made a right decision on how to respond to this.

    I am full aware that my reactionary measures would be out right WW3 because I am impulsive and would use some Skval's to reduce the US's  navy fleet.
    Would be nice for a few moments to read about it and have a laugh but it is understandable by every idiot, that a country who has existed 96% of it's existence in war time and by purging and overthrowing governments left and right will only know one response.

    We can only guess how this will further unfold, but currently the reaction of Russia is seen and appears to be a bluff.

    RF has some options to react and based on my own guesses it will be escalation by or indirectly by threat of nuclear weapons and probably will be de-escalated by another Cuban Crisis.

    Anyways, chill down and don't expect Ukropia wiping it's own ass without consulting the US.

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    Post  Regular Mon Jul 04, 2022 6:35 am

    I am not shitting the bed for those attacks on Russia, but the fact is that Russia warned of dire consequences if that happens.

    If I warn my kids not to do things, they know very well not to do them.

    No blah blah blah and mental gymnastics can cover this, if Russia said - hit us again and your command/decision/gov centers will be targetted and here hohol idiots still shell Russian territory and even attack border guards (last week).

    5 dead Russian civilians - 5 dead Ukrainian ministers. Sounds like a fair trade, no?

    This emboldens the beast. Even UK said that it supports Ukrainians striking Russian territory. They even threaten Crimean bridge. Openly. What WW3 are we talking about? Even if Zelensky would be assassinated, there wouldn't be WW3, they would eventually just find another jew to rule Ukrainians.

    In a meantime, to be Ukrainain politician should become a dangerous profession.

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    Post  Mir Mon Jul 04, 2022 7:19 am

    Hole wrote:Yeah. Some people claimed there would be an operational pause after Lisichansk, but why stop when you´re rolling. Very Happy

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    Also known as the domino effect Laughing

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon Jul 04, 2022 7:21 am

    Regular wrote:I am not shitting the bed for those attacks on Russia, but the fact is that Russia warned of dire consequences if that happens.

    If I warn my kids not to do things, they know very well not to do them.

    No blah blah blah and mental gymnastics can cover this, if Russia said - hit us again and your command/decision/gov centers will be targetted and here hohol idiots still shell Russian territory and even attack border guards (last week).

    5 dead Russian civilians - 5 dead Ukrainian ministers. Sounds like a fair trade, no?

    This emboldens the beast. Even UK said that it supports Ukrainians striking Russian territory. They even threaten Crimean bridge. Openly. What WW3 are we talking about? Even if Zelensky would be assassinated, there wouldn't be WW3, they would eventually just find another jew to rule Ukrainians.

    In a meantime, to be Ukrainain politician should become a dangerous profession.

    Hitting Ministers? Nah, the Ukrainian government is merely pawns. Striking the decision making centers means hitting Langley, Foggy Bottom, the Pentagram, Brussels, and London. As doing that only means possible nuclear apocalypse, you do the second best thing. That is cratering all of Kiev's airports and military airfields, and hitting all rail and road lengths to Kiev and then turning off the power to the city and shutting down its internet. Boris Johnson, members of the Biden Regime, and other NATO leaders should not have the ability to take working vacations in Kiev. Sever weblinks, international travel portals, and telephone and radio communication between Ukraine and the west. That is how you decapitate Ukraine. Elensky and co are pawns, you don't win this chess game by taking out the pawns or putting the king in checkmate, you have to surgically remove the ability of the other chess player from moving his pieces on the board. You do that by severing all links between Ukraine and the outside world.

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:12 am

    Werewolf wrote:...The Ukropians did not launch the attack on Belgorod and Kursk to kill civilians based on their own will. It is clear that it was directly US soldiers and MRLS operators who have peformed and killed Russians as no Ukropian could be trained to operate it in such a short time...

    This has zero to do with Russia refusing to kill Ukrainian Nazis and coddling their prisoners like VIPs


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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:17 am

    mnztr wrote:...where are the SU-25s and KA-52s to mow then down as they withdraw? They are just gonna allow them to reinforce the next line? WTF?

    Bureaucratic bullshit is hampering the whole thing

    When Russian troops detect the enemy they can't report it to local aircraft units but they have to send message to Moscow where pencil-necks will decide if they will give permission to air units to inflict harm on precious and extremely high-born Ukrainians

    And should they by some chance decide to allow airforce to do their jobs they still need to contact them with their blessing and by then Ukrops are long gone









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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Jul 04, 2022 12:52 pm

    thegopnik wrote:i had no idea he was born in ukraine around the kherson region, surprise he has not used his celebrity influence to talk about the war.
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    And this guy is relevant because?
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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Jul 04, 2022 1:12 pm

    Werewolf wrote:

    The Ukropians did not launch the attack on Belgorod and Kursk to kill civilians based on their own will. It is clear that it was directly US soldiers and MRLS operators who have peformed and killed Russians as no Ukropian could be trained to operate it in such a short time.
    Says the guy who has his own theory, which is easily disproven by footage from the ground. Belgorod was hit with Tochka and in Kursk they shot down Strizh drones. Which means that both attacks were performed by Ukrainian servicemen.
    I have no doubt that US wants as many dead Russian soldiers and civilians as possible, but Ukrainian military already proved that it is very capable of committing atrocities.
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    Post  thegopnik Mon Jul 04, 2022 4:51 pm

    I havent been paying much attention on the last threads but what made Russia lose territory around kyiv like the grey area even though they have made gains now?

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    Post  Ispan Mon Jul 04, 2022 5:02 pm

    You been in a coma for the past 3 months?

    Russia retreated from Kiev and Chernigov regions as it made no sense to storm Kiev anymore. The government was not there so even if the city was taken the war would go on, the defense was too strong, and it would have resulted in a bloodbath with mass civilian deaths.

    Since the initial gamble of a lightning victory by seizing the capital and beheading the government failed, it was time to retreat and employ those forces elsewhere for a sustained campaign of taking and hold territories. More or less the same with lifting the siege of Kharkov and the giving up of the feints towards Odessa, Krivoy Rog and Nikopol, retreating all the way back to Kherson.

    The dash into the enemy rear did succeed in paralyzing enemy reserves and fixing the Ukrainian army in parts in places separate from each other and unable to cooperate.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 04, 2022 5:55 pm

    It was a colossal fuckup and it nearly handed Ukrainians victory on a silver platter

    Bollocks, at no point was there any real chance of being thrown out of Ukrianian border.

    If those Ukrainians didn't cut the balls off those Russian POWs and uploaded the video this war would have been over in a week and we would have had color revolution in Moscow by now

    Bullshit. At its lowest Putins popularity never got below 60% and for the 40% anti Putin idiots, they had no alternative plan that was better.

    Even FP came around to realising this was necessary and there was no other choice and the way the west doubled down and are stringing this out with weapons and money shows it was the right choice and that the west is fundamentally anti Russian.... and I don't mean they don't care for Russia or Russians and wouldn't allow one to join their book club... I mean rabidly nazi like anti Russian... and therefore also not worth worrying about.

    Without this conflict I rather doubt Putin could have gotten Russia behind the break... the actions of the Orcs all along should have made this a very simple choice but good christians love their second chances and forgiveness stuff.... you can stop waterboarding them... they understand you want them to suffer and die... you are now formally off their Xmas card list.

    Or should that be Zmas card list...

    Because after a while population will get sick of this bullshit and start asking what is the point of all of it

    The point is clear.... destroy the nazi country created on Russias border to attack Russia, and then stop most if not all interaction and communication with the west and look to teh rest of the world for future growth and development without the west.

    China and India had no problems supporting USA from Vietnam War all the way​ to Syria, you think they will give a shit about some Ukrainian apes?

    I think it would be more accurate to say neither country cared about US invasions of the past including Vietnam through to Syria... they also didn't care about US infiltration and corruption of Kiev and the Ukraine and largely could care less that Russia is now cleansing the Ukraine of that investation of professional western corruption.

    Further financial and military support from the west proving that the decision was correct and that the cleansing has to be complete and can't be half done.

    Same energy and spin

    Totally different... the situation was a debacle with the US openly hanging its local allies out to dry... the abandonment of the Island that was within range of shell fire is basic military common sense... only a bunch of fuckwits would leave troops and forces on an island with no value that can be shelled by the enemy... it has no advantage and plenty of risk for no possible gain.

    Now of course they should monitor the island and if the Orcs start landing they will be wonderful targets for Russian anti ship missiles... no where to hide for them there...

    No way. The Argentine crisis has its origin in the taking of debt of the International Monetary Fund that the previous president made.
    Argentina has to make a military coup and call a nationalist leader, destroy the liberal democratic system that is a farce.

    The IMF fund is a way for the west to get control of smaller countries by offering money and then dictating how they spend not only the lent money but all their other money too. They normally demand everything gets privatised because they pretend that makes it more efficient and competitive but what it really means is that big powerful rich foreign companies can buy up anything of value cheaply and then all the profits go overseas.

    It is funny that the west criticised Chinese loans to African countries as a trick to trap those countries in a debt spiral they can't escape from because that is exactly what the IMF does with western control of course.

    Just remember when reports come out, unless it is live reporting, everything is in past tense. So don't just presume nothing is happening. Because I can guarantee you, what is shown is barely measured in single digits compared to what is actually happening that we don't know of.

    Another factor is that they likely have blocking units in their next line who will likely shoot at any armed people approaching their lines if there has been no retreat authorised...

    The number of operational Tochka-U systems has a half-life. People may not be happy with how fast they are eliminated, but they are not going to be
    around forever.

    They will have rather fewer launchers than they will have missiles stashed around the place.

    If they do run out of launchers they can probably lash up some ramps for the job... more set up time and they will probably be abandonned rather than moved and reused...

    Yes. It's a joke. But their military response is insane... Russia would decapitate Ukraine if they would follow their example... And they can

    I would say they are killing rather more Orcs than Israel has killed of Hamas in anything like the same time period even in war.

    I am not shitting the bed for those attacks on Russia, but the fact is that Russia warned of dire consequences if that happens.

    If I warn my kids not to do things, they know very well not to do them.

    No blah blah blah and mental gymnastics can cover this, if Russia said - hit us again and your command/decision/gov centers will be targetted and here hohol idiots still shell Russian territory and even attack border guards (last week).

    5 dead Russian civilians - 5 dead Ukrainian ministers. Sounds like a fair trade, no?

    This emboldens the beast. Even UK said that it supports Ukrainians striking Russian territory. They even threaten Crimean bridge. Openly. What WW3 are we talking about? Even if Zelensky would be assassinated, there wouldn't be WW3, they would eventually just find another jew to rule Ukrainians.

    Have you murdered any of your children before?

    When you threaten your kids with dire consequences does that mean you are prepared to go to jail or probably worse than that you break your children and they learn to hate you and never trust you again because you are clearly a monster?

    Who is to say that Russia has not already decided to attack and is waiting for the right people to be in the room together for the strike to be carried out... I mean obviously crowing to the world that the red line has been crossed and that they are going to attack this or that or something else will lead the west to increase security and reduce the potential effectiveness of any attack they decide would be worthy of the crime committed.

    Or is there only the full retard response allowed... Pentagon in flames with nukes?

    Deciding on a response and gauging what could possibly be the resulting cost to the enemy of that response is critical to avoid escalating too far and leading to a runaway response, but also to avoid the result being pathetic and suggest they don't know what they are doing.

    Perhaps a bit of patience is in order.

    In a meantime, to be Ukrainain politician should become a dangerous profession.

    Russia will have really succeeded when the Ukrainian politicians fear their own public more than they fear Russians...

    When Russian troops detect the enemy they can't report it to local aircraft units but they have to send message to Moscow where pencil-necks will decide if they will give permission to air units to inflict harm on precious and extremely high-born Ukrainians

    Making shit up is not contributing.

    And should they by some chance decide to allow airforce to do their jobs they still need to contact them with their blessing and by then Ukrops are long gone

    Yeah.... An Air Force obliterating everything moving on the battlefield is always the best solution.... no communication or coordination between ground and air forces... all shots fired need clearance from Putin... he approves or refuses each round on an individual basis.... DICK.

    And this guy is relevant because?

    Don't know who he is... looks as silly as Borat... no time for either to be honest.

    I have no doubt that US wants as many dead Russian soldiers and civilians as possible, but Ukrainian military already proved that it is very capable of committing atrocities.

    Without the US and the west enabling them they would not be doing this... so the solution remains the same grind forward and kill everyone that is a nazi or a merc.

    I havent been paying much attention on the last threads but what made Russia lose territory around kyiv like the grey area even though they have made gains now?

    The Russian forces entered the rather large country of Ukraine with a relatively small force.... if they concentrated that small force over a small area then the military force of Ukraine which is probably 10 times bigger than the force the Russians entered the country with would have been free to converge on the Russian forces and overwhelm them through sheer weight of numbers.

    It was also important to make the people of Kiev realise what the people of Donbass have been going through.

    After a month when armour and most aircraft as well as fuel dumps and ammo dumps had been surgically destroyed and the Orcs could no longer mount large scale mobile armoured operations the Russian forces around Kiev withdrew and were redeployed to other areas that benefitted from extra soldiers.

    They never sent nearly enough soldiers to the Kiev region to take the city by force... they were a distraction... a holding force to keep the Orcs in the west and the north in the west and the north so they didn't cause problems in the south and east.

    Eventually their infrastructure was damaged to the point where they were no longer a threat so those forces withdrew out of shelling range from Orc forces in Kiev and helped in other jobs being done.

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    Post  nomadski Mon Jul 04, 2022 6:52 pm

    The domino effect ? Advancing into " territory " ? Putting long range Arty and Tochka out of range ? Yes they will retreat , but it does not mean that Russians should follow them ! For one thing , are these settlements West of Luhansk , majority Russian speaking or Ukraininan ? Even if Russian , then are there not more important areas to liberate ? The Donbas or Odesa , for example ? Will there be an insurgency in these areas , by Ukrainians ? Will it not thin out the number of troops over territory , that has less value politically and practically ? Regarding putting Arty out of range , yes one way is to advance 130 km into difficult terrain , with the loss of troops and equipment , only to find that the other side just got a longer range Arty , firing from 131 km ! No , the answer is to use longer range weapons to silence them . If the yanks fire ICBM from America , do we advance with troops across Europe and the Atlantic Ocean to silence their guns ? No , we fire back with ICBM ! And for those that say " ..capturing territory , to allow a territorial  swap elsewhere , later on ! " there is no guarantee ! Too many unknowns and variables in the way . The faulty thinking here , is abandoning more direct  and predictable sure  plans , in favour of unknown probabilities . Like a man trying to dislodge a Rock , down a hill , by setting in motion a Rock fall , further up the slope ! Only to find out , that none of the falling Rocks , dislodged  the target Rock ! Walk down the hill and kick the Rock out of place . Sure plan .If for Russia , western Ukraine becomes a security problem later on , then it need not station troops there permanently . Expose to danger and loss . Long range attacks can take care of potential facilities and insurgent bases . If it becomes a problem !
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    Post  limb Mon Jul 04, 2022 7:44 pm

    thegopnik wrote:i had no idea he was born in ukraine around the kherson region, surprise he has not used his celebrity influence to talk about the war.








    He did mention in his mukbang that ukrainians and russians are the same people, and that caused even more butthurt than him shitting himself and refusing to elaborate.

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    Post  Werewolf Mon Jul 04, 2022 7:48 pm

    limb wrote:
    He did mention  in his mukbang that ukrainians and russians are the same people, and that caused even more butthurt than him shitting himself and refusing to elaborate.

    We are the same and there is no difference in culture, genetics or history (expect their current alternative history).

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Jul 04, 2022 8:49 pm

    nomadski wrote:The domino effect ? Advancing into " territory " ? Putting long range Arty and Tochka out of range ? Yes they will retreat , but it does not mean that Russians should follow them ! For one thing , are these settlements West of Luhansk , majority Russian speaking or Ukraininan ? Even if Russian , then are there not more important areas to liberate ? The Donbas or Odesa , for example ?

    ...Eh? These cities west of Lugansk are in Donetsk oblast, and they're chasing UA to Seversk now, before the big Kramatorsk and Slavyansk showdown (where, as you may recall, shit went down in 2014).



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    Post  nomadski Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:53 pm


    Prime territory is Odessa . It is an area , with greatest Russian speakers and no advances ! So even if these other areas West of Lugansk , were or are majority Russian speaking , still Odessa is of prime importance . So I think the depth of advances in LDPR is good enough that Yuki forces , can not break through lines . Once Odessa is liberated and immediate area around it , then General advances can be made along the entire line . So defensive positions now , apart from Odessa advance . Put most power into it . Also will finish the war .

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    Post  Erk Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:07 pm

    nomadski wrote:
    Prime territory is Odessa . It is an area , with greatest Russian speakers and no advances ! So even if these other areas West of Lugansk , were or are majority Russian speaking , still Odessa is of prime importance . So I think the depth of advances in LDPR is good enough that Yuki forces , can not break through lines . Once Odessa is liberated and immediate area around it , then General advances can be made along the entire line . So defensive positions now , apart from Odessa advance . Put most power into it . Also will finish the war .

    I would have thought creating a buffer to Donetsk would be the next priority.
    The people in that city have been getting shelled almost daily for 8 years, the AFU needs to be pushed back out of range.

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:08 pm

    GarryB wrote:Even FP came around to realising this was necessary...

    Yes only after he saw videos of Ukrops giving Russian POWs sex reassignment field surgery

    Before that he was screaming how that horrible Putin was killing those poor innocent totally not Nazis in their barracks with cruise missiles while they slept, OH MY GOD HOW COULD HE DARE TO HARM THOSE POOR PRECIOUS INNOCENT SUPERIOR HIGHBORN CHERISHED WESTERN UBERMENCHE!!!

    At least this increases chances of Moscow hosting gay pride parade soon, they owe at least that much to their heroes, they changed their lifestyle thanks to Russian Military pussyfooting so it's least they could do for them



    GarryB wrote:Totally different... the situation was a debacle with the US openly hanging its local allies out to dry... the abandonment of the Island that was within range of shell fire is basic military common sense......

    Yes it was in range which was perfect opportunity to exterminate everything on the coastline which would try to get into position to shoot

    But instead they turn tails and ran, I'm sure families of soldiers who died for nothing there are appreciating this



    GarryB wrote:An Air Force obliterating everything moving on the battlefield is always the best solution.......

    Correct

    Killing maximum possible amount of enemies is always a good thing, it's how you win wars




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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:36 pm

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    The attack on Seversk has already begun, Russian army crossed north if the city the seversky donets and are attacking from all sides

    The speed of the attack is unprecedented- reports are Ukrainians are retreating from Seversk

    Slavyansk and Kramatorsk are already being shelled, so they are attacking the entire area

    My guess is like Dima from Military Analysis, once the slavic direction and m-03 highways are secured by liberated Seversk and Bakhmut, nothing is stopping our guys from reaching Dnipro river, there are no large settlements and you have Dnipropetrovsk and Zaporizhia cities proper as the next urban agglomerations between slavic and themselves

    You also have Pavlograd , so that might be the site of the next battles, but the Russian army is moving very very fast, the maps are not even updated because this is taking place across hours , not even days

    https://youtu.be/A71vL3UBqCw

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:42 pm

    https://t.me/istorijaoruzijaZ/13584

    Tos 1 working in Izyum, so the confirmation of shelling of Slavyansk

    Guys this is moving very very fast, I am not surprised if Seversk falls within the next days

    Bakhmut also, these cities are smaller than severodonetsk and lisichansk if you recall

    It is looking bad for the VSU in donbass, I think this is the endgame basically

    From here where do you guys think they will push?

    Kharkov? Dnipro? Or Odessa?

    I think Kharkov, because it will push them from Belgorod and that's important- also Kharkov is nearer to attack, then chasing Pavlograd or Dnipro, although it could all happen at the same time

    I do not see an attack on Odessa until the east is cleared from Kharkov to Dnipro, because to focus on Nikolayev and Krivoy Rog, you need the massive BTGs from the east

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:44 pm

    https://t.me/swodki/127855

    Columns moving to Seversk

    The western maps show Belogorovka in Ukrainians control

    But this is not accurate, already belogorovka and Gregorovka are under Russian control

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:51 pm

    https://t.me/swodki/127874?single

    3 of those killed in Belgorod were Ukrainians from Kharkov

    They fled Tsupovka, and were refugees

    Imagine this ... they fled Kharkov , to Belgorod, and were killed by Bandera anyway

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    Post  Arrow Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:35 am

    Kharkiv region.

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