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    Post  Werewolf Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:49 am

    LMFS wrote:Stop being dumb yourself, if they would want the full war package they would have declared war to Russia, which they didn't. Because it would mean utter destruction of the country and their leadership on the spot, closure of gas transit etc etc etc. Ze and the rest of 404 leadership should thread carefully the path of ramping tensions with Russia or the carrot part of them serving US interests will very fast turn into being torn to tiny bits by a Russian missile, in the best case. The idiots think they should only fear retaliation by CIA and their nazi goons, but they are DEAD WRONG

    You are absolutely right. Deceleration of war has direct juridical implications for the entire country like every company or factory that can produce even the smallest piece of gear, mechanical, electronic, ammunition or food will be forced to hold their business and move the production to be part of the war effort. Every economical and political ties for companies have to stop otherwise they can by grabbed by the balls and trialed for treason. This is obviously not favorable for Kokaina, where investors have a stake in part of the lend-lease and want part of the cake as long there is even a single Shekel rolling. The gas transit must flow and despite the spider-web of Russian pipelines through Kokaina not a single pipeline was hit by either side. For Russia this is very lucrative and single handedly pays off all military spendings on our own lands. For the West is even to the current conditions of additional taxes for "unfriendly Cuntries" a must have to let them survive as economical leaders within the EU. The entire West's economy is based on cheap accessible energy from Russia.

    If there would be war declared and mobilization would take part, then there wouldn't be anyone sitting on the the internet or chat ruletka with booze in their hand and complaining about Orcs in their country, they would be sitting in trenches crying about Artillery, while their entire infrastructure would be turned into Kasha. Like I said the deceleration of war has serious implications for everyone on both sides and even for Russia and Russians who wouldn't be on the receiving end would need to adjust to some economical conditions placed on the population. I am not even talking about the mobilization, which Russia does not need but would certainly do for the actual war with NATO. Sooner or later we will be experiencing that, if you like it or not.

    Arkanghelsk wrote:In Russia it's still penalized to call it a war

    Several bloggers tried it and got hit with sanctions

    The day it is called a war, the BTG numbers will be 500+

    Cus every man is getting a uniform and rifle

    I am not aware who got penalized for it with exception of 5th columnists who got away for years without any action against them for being openly a diversion force, manipulating the youth and being part of criminal activities. They should be happy that there is no Stalin in Power otherwise we wouldn't have any 5th columnists.


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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:51 am

    Wouldn't it be more effective/safe to do a negotiation via Zoom? LOL

    More satisfying to negotiate via Boom...


    The US intervention in Vietnam was called a police action by the US to start with, and recent HATO wars have been called humanitarian interventions so I don't know why the west is getting all precious and demanding it be called a war.

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    Post  Backman Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:30 am



    The American Embassy in Kiev stopped its work. The embassy building is closed and no employees are visible, eyewitnesses said.

    Earlier, the US authorities appealed to its citizens to leave Ukraine. According to the diplomatic mission, the situation in Ukraine at the moment is assessed as extremely unstable. At the same time, the embassy believes that conditions may "sharply and suddenly deteriorate.

    It also became known that the US consulate in Odessa stopped its work.

    Russia wouldn't give them notice would they ? They better not. If an attack is coming for Kiev then the first target should be the US embassy. I guess having a few hundred dead American embassy staff would be provocative. But so is everything the US is doing out of that embassy.

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    Post  Regular Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:51 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Here is fun thing about bridges: you can fix them

    Also a fun thing about countries like Ukraine: you can trash them into non-existence


    That bridge isn't just left defenceless and even in worse case scenario of it getting hit this is a massive modern superstructure not some tiny two bit Soviet prefab rail bridge (which still stay in place when hit)

    You will need something way bigger than HIMARS or ATACMS to take Crimea bridge out of commission for longer than couple of months



    This isn't about bridge, it's about the fact that Russia will be doing Odessa before year is out and warm-up has already started





    So far few things I noted and discussed with some people who know their stuff.

    Road bridges are much harder to destroy than railway bridges. Even 1500 kg bomb can't "one shot" a bridge.

    Crimean bridge can be rebuilt 100 times, the main problem was underwater foundations that are already in place, the structure itself is not that problematic.

    It will make Russians very angry and Ukrainian infrastructure still wasn't hit that bad, this can change. Also, wintertime is coming. Thermal stations can be nice little "accidental" target to make things interesting.

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    Post  Regular Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:55 am

    caveat emptor wrote:Another M777 gone:

    It seems that the crew was eliminated as well. You can see one that "climbed" up the tree..

    PhSt wrote:https://t.me/asbmil/3068

    Fighting has been reported in the Kursk border with Pukraine, Im not sure if its on the Ukro side or inside Kursk territory, if in the latter, then this is a serious escalation by the UkroNazis

    According to Russian sources, there where 105 attacks on Russian territory recorded. Many times Ukrs crossed into Russian territory to attack border guards.

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:31 am


    That little SBU purge Zelenski is doing is about the Kalibr slam dunk Russia did on that little arms deal get together just now

    They are currently seeing traitors everywhere since this was supposed to be super duper secret and was still pounded like a 2$ whore





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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:04 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    That little SBU purge Zelenski is doing is about the Kalibr slam dunk Russia did on that little arms deal get together just now

    They are currently seeing traitors everywhere since this was supposed to be super duper secret and was still pounded like a 2$ whore






    Definitely quite an upset over it

    Air Force obituaries
    US citizen travel warnings
    Now Zelensky being spooked by his own shadow

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    Post  sepheronx Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:19 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    That little SBU purge Zelenski is doing is about the Kalibr slam dunk Russia did on that little arms deal get together just now

    They are currently seeing traitors everywhere since this was supposed to be super duper secret and was still pounded like a 2$ whore


    I do not think there is a person left in Ukraine he can even trust as is. Like Flaming Python said, he is afraid of his own shadow at this point.

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    Post  nomadski Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:09 am


    Werewolf wrote " while their entire infrastructure would be turned into Kasha. " what is " kasha ? " My Russian is non - existent ! All I know is following words from my childhood , as these terms were used by family members : pirashki , garsho , veshilka ! I think , we should not be too sensitive about terminology here . Americans take military " action ! " , " action , " is a term used mostly in Hollywood ! So they are influenced mostly by the film industry ! Russia is using the term " operation , " this word is mostly used by surgeons ! So Russians are influenced mostly by the medical profession ?

    Not every war is a special military operation , and not every special operation is a war , but some wars are special military operations , and all wars and operations are a type of military action . But as a surgeon friend used to say jokingly " ...The operation was a success , but the patient died ! ...." and that is what has to be avoided . The aim of this operation was stated as : " denazification and dimiliterazation , " so in essence it is a war against armed Nazis ! And not a war against Ukraine nation . But of course the Nazis would like to engage nation against nation , in a war that will keep them in power and the population a hostage to war !

    Therefore if they attack infrastructure in Russia , the proper retaliation is to take out the Nazis , and not retaliate in kind . The Ukrainian farmers should farm , the workers should work , and Nazis should hang on jellyinsky washing line , for all to see . How many Nazis have been hung so far ? Also , I read that the Himars is inertial navigation and GPS guided . I think at least , GPS jammers should be placed all along the Bridge . Plus some AD . How much does Piano wire cost per foot ?


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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:17 am

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:13 am

    Kiko wrote:This is a victory for Aleksandr Vasilyevich Bortnikov, for hell is breaking loose among Volodymyr Olexandrovych's security forces:

    Zelensky explained the dismissal of the heads of the SBU and the State Prosecutor's Office with the connections of the security forces with Russia, 17.07.2022.

    In Ukraine, 651 cases of treason and collaboration activities of employees of the SBU and the Prosecutor General’s Office are being investigated, and suspicion has already been filed in 198 cases, Zelensky said. He noted that this raises "very serious questions"

    The decision to dismiss the head of the SBU Ivan Bakanov and Prosecutor General Irina Venediktova was made in connection with “very serious questions” to them due to the connection of employees of departments with Russia. This was stated by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in Telegram.

    According to him, by this day, 651 criminal proceedings have been registered under articles on high treason and collaboration activities of employees of the prosecutor's office, pre-trial investigation departments and other law enforcement agencies. In 198 cases, the defendants have already been charged with suspicion. The President of Ukraine noted that more than 60 employees of the prosecutor's office and the SBU continued to work in the territories occupied by Russia.

    “Such an array of crimes against the foundations of the national security of the state and ties that have been recorded between employees of the law enforcement agencies of Ukraine and the special services of Russia raise very serious questions for the relevant leaders. Each of these questions will receive a proper answer,” Zelensky said.

    https://www.rbc.ru/politics/17/07/2022/62d467cf9a7947b4ffa5681a


    The orcs are finally eating themselves in public lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1 lol1

    The end isn't far off when regimes resort to this sort of panicked stampede.  Next they'll be landing helicopters on the roof of the Rada and stuffing it with suitcases full of money...  Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:31 am

    Interesting John... not only corruption, but the upstanding Ukrainians upset at this corruption are brutally killed for their honesty or not joining in... this tells you what sort of men they must have left by now...

    Regarding destroying bridges there are often what are called keystones, which can be actual stones or locations of extreme structural importance to a bridge where if you damage or weaken it the weight of the bridge can destroy it and the whole structure comes down.

    Destroying a bridge is an art and a science and it is a question of putting the right amount of HE in the right place but most railway bridges are designed to carry trains but not resist HE attacks and are mostly made of wood which is very vulnerable to being shattered by HE blast.

    A motorway bridge like the Crimean bridge is designed for lots of fast moving traffic which means vibrations and wind and weather all working together and is a lot stronger.

    The Kh-29 has a shaped charge 317kg HEAT warhead designed specifically for penetrating deep into concrete foundations to destroy a length of a bridge or building... some compare it with a Maverick but it is in a completely different payload weight class.

    A 1,500kg bomb will generally destroy most bridges with the HE force being enough on its own so mostly HE frag or thermobaric bombs are generally used except for very very strong bridges taht might require an armour piercing bomb to penetrate into support structures to destroy a hard bridge.

    Generally it is HE-Frag and thermobaric bombs that are used against most bridges while the heavy armour piercing bombs and missiles are for deeply buried hardened targets like HQs and bunkers and deeply protected ammo stores.

    Here are some bomb types:

    If you look on this page of smart bomb designs you will see laser homing and TV/optical guided and also satellite guided weapons and in each category there are different versions for different target types.

    http://eng.ktrv.ru/production/military_production/smart_bombs/

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:57 am

    https://t.me/KIMMARINA/789

    British mercenary John Harding, member of Azov division addressed Boris Johnson from Donetsk prison to save his life. Harding can face the death penalty same as other two British mercenaries from the same cell who already got the verdict. Harding also addressed his daughter Katherine with his last word and blast with tears. My new documentary “Nazi punishers” will be released soon with more on that!!!

    One of the foreign fighters of Azov captured when the regiment surrendered in Mariupol. It's another Brit, he's sharing a cell with the two others now. Like them he also seems to have been serving since around 2018-ish. Unlike them he's a member of Azov proper however.

    Remains to be seen how many other foreigners were captured as part of Azov. The DNR and Russia are only drip-feeding information

    nomadski wrote:
    Werewolf wrote " while their entire infrastructure would be turned into Kasha. " what is " kasha ? " My Russian is non - existent ! All I know is following words from my childhood , as these terms were used by family members : pirashki , garsho , veshilka !  I think , we should not be too sensitive about terminology here . Americans take military " action ! " , " action , " is a term used mostly in Hollywood ! So they are influenced  mostly by the film industry ! Russia is using the term " operation , " this word is mostly used by surgeons ! So Russians are influenced mostly by the medical profession ?

    Not every war is a special military operation , and not every special operation is a war , but some wars are special military operations , and all wars and operations are a type of military action . But as a surgeon friend used to say jokingly " ...The operation was a success , but the patient died ! ...." and that is what has to be avoided . The aim of this operation was stated as : " denazification  and dimiliterazation , " so in essence it is a war against armed Nazis ! And not a war against Ukraine nation . But of course the Nazis would like to engage  nation against nation , in a war that will keep them in power and the population a hostage to war !

    Therefore if they attack infrastructure in Russia , the proper retaliation is to take out the Nazis , and not retaliate in kind . The Ukrainian farmers should farm , the workers should work , and Nazis should hang on jellyinsky washing line , for all to see . How many Nazis have been hung so far ? Also , I read that the Himars is inertial navigation and GPS guided . I think at least , GPS jammers should be placed all along the Bridge . Plus some AD . How much does Piano wire cost per foot ?



    kasha = porridge

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    Post  Hole Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:05 pm

    Kiko wrote:Volodymyr Zelensky must be ultimately tried Nuremberg style as a war criminal and for crimes against humanity.

    Zelensky dismissed the Prosecutor General of Ukraine and the head of the SBU, 17.07.2022.

    Zelensky removes Venediktova and head of the SBU Bakanov from their posts as Prosecutor General of Ukraine.

    President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky has dismissed Prosecutor General Irina Venediktova and Head of the Security Service of Ukraine Ivan Bakanov from their positions, the Strana.ua portal reported, citing relevant decrees.

    As stated in the documents, the President removed Bakanov in accordance with Article 47 of the Disciplinary Charter of the Armed Forces of Ukraine . The resignation of Venediktova took place in accordance with part 2 of article 11 of the law "On the legal regime of martial law."

    Zelensky himself, in a video message on his Telegram channel, said that the removal of the security forces was connected with the facts of high treason on the part of employees of departments. Thus, 651 criminal proceedings were registered under articles on treason and collaborationist activities. Employees of the prosecutor's office, pre-trial investigation and other bodies pass through them.

    The President stressed that such a number of crimes against national security, as well as the connections "recorded between the employees of the law enforcement agencies of Ukraine and the special services of Russia, raise very serious questions for the relevant leaders."

    Venediktova has been in office since March 2020, before that she was and. about. director of the State Bureau of Investigations. Aleksey Simonenko has been appointed Acting Prosecutor General.

    Bakanov has headed the SBU since August 2019, previously he worked as the first deputy head of the department.

    https://ria.ru/20220717/venediktova-1803095777.html
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    Post  Hole Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:11 pm

    They should be happy that there is no Stalin in Power otherwise we wouldn't have any 5th columnists.

    Of course there would be 5th columnists, but they would build roads in Siberia or dig channels for shipping.  Laughing

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    Post  Hole Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:12 pm

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    Would be funny but this is the best western "experts" can come up with.

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