Russian special military operation in Ukraine #17

Hole wrote:

TMA1 wrote:Wtf did they do to the military cathedral??? Bastards better not have. It is breathtakingly lovely. And also house of God.

They did nothing to the cathedral/church in Moscow. Nazis set fire to an old monastry as they fled the area. In Donbass, not Moscow.

It is possible that he mispronounced, and that he did not mean on the Cathedral of the Resurrection of Christ (Мain Cathedral of the Russian Armed Forces). When the Russians build something, there is no kidding ! The Cathedral (Храм) is really impressive !

Hole wrote:

TMA1 wrote:Wtf did they do to the military cathedral??? Bastards better not have. It is breathtakingly lovely. And also house of God.

They did nothing to the cathedral/church in Moscow. Nazis set fire to an old monastry as they fled the area. In Donbass, not Moscow.

Church that burnt down was a copy built by Yanukovich in 2009, not the old one.

Dima hahaha there was a perception of him as being weak and I think he's off the rails now because he wants to get back into the inner circle

But it's good for him to issue these statements

Hopefully we follow through on it

d_taddei2 wrote:With the west so keen on sending MLRS and HIMARS maybe it's time Belarus decided to send it's Polonez MLRS to Donbass troops combat test it on these systems. Polonez-M has 290 km range far better than these western systems.

My next point is today I watched the BBC speaking with so called experts saying that Russia is failing to take Ukraine with ONLY 1/5 of the country under Russian control. That's 120,000km² , To put this landmass into comparison that's equivalent to:

- Four Belgium's
Or
- three Netherlands
Or
- two Latvia's
Or
And one Bulgaria + 10,000km².

That's no easy task in around 100 days up against a large NATO trained, NATO backed armed forces, with constant armed drones coming your way, and the enemy getting intel from USA and other NATO countries.

I heared the Ukrainians favorite word is Poloniza, so why not give them a bide of warm round Polonez-M.

ATLASCUB wrote: The U.S/West command an allegiance network capable of bringing down the Chinese economy to a halt through a naval blockade, full, soft or selective, and the Chinese won't be capable of combatting it effectively without pressing the Nuke button. The U.S can manage such, Taiwan independence being the torch light... once the cards are positioned well enough - at least that is the American goal, and that is what they're working on. The purpose of the QUAD, and bringing European NATO into the frey all work in tandem towards preparing for that moment. The Chinese are outmanned, outgunned and outflanked. That's why the Changs are on an accelerated drive to build a blue water navy but even with a blue water navy you still need an allegiance structure, a bloc, to back you up, and strategically help you in the confrontation. The U.S is smart in harassing China for every move they make to try to get Naval bases established in third countries. The Chinese are desperate to break from the first island chain grip and with India in the fray, the South China Sea also got a visegrip on. It's a tight grip. Neither Russia's Central Asian allegiance network nor the Russian Navy are capable of counter balancing the seafaring power strengths and capacity to blockade China trade. The only thing Russia is useful for is keeping the Europeans in check for a gang rape of China, and as a stable resource base to avoid complete collapse once seaborne trade and seaborne resource imports are blocked or semi-blocked in case of such a stand-off.
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Having a powerfull navy and robust industrial capability is a pre-requisite to have a network of alliance. Other way around doesn't work.


Means China doing the first steps, and as we see now sanctions and soft blockade on Russia causing enormous pain in USA/EU, now imagine the events if the try to do the same with the magnitude more interconnected China.

ATLASCUB wrote:If the smart dimwitts say so. So much nonsense to unpack in two posts it's not even worth the effort.

In the middle east, the balance of power is still in U.S favor. As for the rest of the fantasies, you all can believe what you want to believe.

Assad had to go for several reasons:

To deprive Lebanon of a key ally (and make collapse and a Civil War in Lebanon easier - benefiting both the U.S and Israel).
To deprive Russia of a key M.E ally.
To deprive Iran of a key M.E ally, and deprive Iraq of any attempt to look beyond its own border and American control.
To build a pipeline from Qatar to the EU to ship gas to eat into Gazprom market share.
To export terrorism to the Russian underbelly.
To tilt the Shiite/Sunni balance.
To create Kurdish separatism with the potential to spread to Iran.

While many of the objectives failed to materialize the U.S and company have been able to achieve:

A frozen conflict.
A humanitarian catastrophe.
Set back Syria development decades back.
Hold hostage Syria's main resources.
Stirred separatism, and keeps it alive.
Exported terrorism with varied degrees of success to areas of geopolitical interest.
Stopped Syria from being a normal functioning country that can be a net positive economic player in the region for allies such as Lebanon, Iran, Iraq or Russia.
All at a modest cost of investment.

You evaluate the gap between the current and desired Russian/Chinese position, NOT the past / current positions of USA/Russia/China,and how will the situation looks like.

before 2008 Russia had supportive attitude to USA, 2008-2014 neutral,2014-2022 slight negative, now full opposition.

Same with China, 1990-2010 no military force, 2010-2022 moderate, now rival.

Iran use to be a pharia, having Iraq as enemy, Russia/China best neutral, now they have Russia and China on the same side, controllin partially Iraq and Syria .


The USA is on the same side - decreasing power above the decisions of others, and now facing hard resistance against all actions.

Now not the USA is the only player, having global raching interest, supporters or bystanders - China and Russia joined the game as well.

Is it true the Nazi Fatherland (Germany) is planning to give the land of Retarded Neonazis (Ukraine) u boats for the new Kriegsmarine? If it is, where will Doenitz Jr operate them? The Dniepr?

Ispan wrote:Seven years and a hundred days of war


Nothing much happened in the past 48 hours but some very good analysis and reports inside

https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/06/04/siete-anos-y-cien-dias-de-guerra/

Seven years and a hundred days of war
4 June, 2022 Zhukov

Yesterday was the hundredth anniversary of the beginning of Russia's entry into the Ukrainian civil war that began in 2014.

YESTERDAY 03 June

General situation Mikhail Onufrienko, military analyst

The day before, units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the national battalions, which were entrenched on the territory of the Azot plant in Severodonetsk, attempted a counterattack to push back our forces from the industrial zone.

The attack was accompanied by the support of the Ukrainian artillery stationed in the territory of Lysychansk, which is located on a hill relative to Severodonetsk.

In response, our troops opened mass fire with cannons, rocket launchers and mortars, nullifying all enemy efforts.

The entire residential area of Severodonetsk is still under the control of the allied forces of Russia and Lugansk, which continue to seize militants scattered in the city limits.

There were no major changes on the fronts today. According to Neil Hauer, a Canadian journalist based in the Donbas, "The road from Bakhmut to Lisichansk is now a death trap. The road from Seversk is also dangerous. And in general, there is a sense of calm before the storm."In fact, Kiev is now offering to withdraw its troops through Seversk to Slavyansk or Bakhmut, because this will allow saving about 3 thousand soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and about 100 armored vehicles. Of course, no one will give them permission to do this. Thus, small cauldrons will be formed and destroyed.

The Ukrainian counteroffensive near Avdeyevka also failed, because it was hopeless from the very beginning due to the large concentration of our artillery. Therefore, apparently, in order to create at least some information background, there is now a group of armored vehicles in the village of Udy in the Kharkiv region, on the westernmost flank.

All attempts of the enemy counteroffensive in the Nikolayev region have stopped, there is a pause.

Statement militia of the Donetsk Republic 19:30 hours

During the current day, joint actions of the military personnel of the Donetsk People's Republic and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation destroyed ONE T-80 tank, TWO BMP-2s, ONE BTR-4 and up to FORTY people. Heavy fire suppressed THREE enemy fire points in the area of the village of Avdiivka.

We regretfully regret to inform you that over the past 24 hours in the struggle for independence, FOUR defenders of the Donetsk People's Republic were killed in the line of military duty, and TWENTY-THREE were injured.

The war in Ukraine. Summary 03.06.2022

https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/7656018.html

1. Severodonetsk.
Fight in the area of the industrial zone "Azot". The enemy decided to hold her as long as he could and sent reinforcements there, including foreign (Polish) mercenaries. The fighting continues in the city.

2. Lisichansk.
The enemy maintains the defense both on the Severodonetsk side and on the side of Ustinovka and Privolye. The main supply line of the group is the Artemivsk — Seversk—Lisichansk highway.

3. Soledar.
Fighting continues along the Artemivsk-Lisichansk highway, where the Ukrainian Armed Forces continue to try to push back our troops from Belogorovka and Berestove, but since the highway is under fire, it is problematic to use it in the conditions of the ongoing fighting.

4. Svitlodarsk.
The struggle continues for the Novoluganskoe and Uglegorsk thermal power plants. The enemy is firmly entrenched there. The Svitlodarsk-Debaltseve highway has already been unlocked.

5. Zolotoye.
After the capture of Kamyshevakha, the battles for Zolotoe and in the Toshkovka area continued. The decisive fights in this area will be on Vrubovka.

6. Slavyansk.
There is fighting for Svyatogorsk and Bogorodichnoye. The enemy is strengthening its defenses in the Raigorodok area.

7. Izyum.
Position fights in the Kurulka area, Bolshoy Kamyshevakhi.
In addition to the attack on Bogorodichnoye, an offensive is being carried out in the valley on the Izyum—Slavyansk highway.

8. Kharkiv.
Position battles north of the city. The enemy is trying to reach the MCC again after suffering losses there. The fighting continues south of Ternovoye and north of Stary Saltov. The enemy, in turn, tried to attack near the village of Liptsy.

At 23:00 intense cannonade was reported

9. Zaporozhe.
Luchanal north of the village. Pologi, as well as east of Gulyai-Pole. West of Gulyai-pole, unchanged.

10. Avdeyevka
Fighting north of Avdiivka. Enemy counterattacks on Novoselka-2 were unsuccessful. Our troops have not yet made any serious progress in New York. The fighting continued in the direction of Krasnogorovka.

Ugledar, Marinka, Nikolaev, Odessa — unchanged.

Summary of Readovka 03 Junio

https://readovka .news/news/99571



Today 04 June

General situation:

The Russians have taken two more villages in the Sviatogorsk area, clearing the last positions north of the Seversky Donets River.

Specifically: Sosnovoye, north of Svyatogorsk, for which the fighting is continuing.

And Brusovka south of Krasny Liman has been cleared.

In the east, the Russian bridgehead has expanded to Privolye, threatening Severdonetsk from the north.

Heavy terrorist shelling of the city of Donetsk today for hours with large-caliber and long-range Uragan and Tornado rockets, at 21:00 shelling was continuing and plumes of smoke from fires were rising.

Northern Front - Kharkov

With regard to the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Khotoml and the Ukrainian bridgehead east of Stary Saltov in the Kharkiv region

There are many reports about the absence of Ukrainian troops on the eastern bank of the Seversky Donets, near Stary Saltov.

For the first time, we reported that the Armed Forces of Ukraine were confidently operating on the eastern shore on May 16.

According to radio interception data and information from local sources, some armored and sabotage groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reached the edge of the city two weeks ago.Volchansk.

Most likely, these groups have been operating there for a long time: the control east of Chuguev is not monolithic, and transferring patrols across the Pecheneg reservoir (which the enemy did during March-April) - a feasible task.

On May 29, the Ukrainian Armed Forces began to fully equip their positions near Khotomlei.

On May 30, pontoon engineer units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were already seen.

On June 1, there was reliable information about the start of work on the construction of the ferry.

On June 2, the AFU control zone expanded near the Pecheneg reservoir - the Armed Forces of Ukraine have a full-fledged springboard for attacking the positions of the Russian Armed Forces in the direction of Chervonoi Khvyli. This finally confirmed the real control of the enemy over the Primorskoe -Martovoe-Pershotravnevoe-Khotomlya highway.

You can paint the road red (Note: according to Soviet military conventions red is the color of one's own forces, for obvious reasons, in Western ones red is the color of the enemy) for a long time, but the real data from the field indicate the opposite: the road was in a gray zone, and the enemies were calmly driving along it, reaching Volchansk.

Engineering works have been underway in the vicinity of Hotomli for two days. At the narrowest point, the width of the Seversky Donets River reaches 500-600 meters. Riding a ferry on the site of the destroyed bridge at the old Saltov Dam is quite a challenge.

The Russian Armed Forces understand this: there is now a counteroffensive in the direction of Stary Saltov. A change of command in this area and a reassessment of priorities played a role.

We really do not believe in the optimistic promises to take Kharkov in three weeks, which some say, but it is clear that the mood of the Russian troops in the north of the Kharkiv region has changed qualitatively.

Izyum Front

https://t.me/vysokygovorit

Despite the rather meager reports from the Izyum front, the fighting here is intense. Losses on our part have been reduced, and on the part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they have not only not decreased, but are even increasing. The main clashes are currently taking place in forests and small villages

In Izyum, the intensity of enemy shelling has significantly decreased, even somewhat unusually. Perhaps the enemy begins to have a shortage of shells, perhaps some of the enemy artillery will be removed or transferred to other directions.

On the front lineero, which now runs along the border of the Kharkov region and the DPR, the Kiev army continues to launch mass artillery attacks, but fires much less at depth.

Firstly, we do not reduce the intensity of artillery fire (at least the heroic 20 army), we continue to clear the forests, most of which have already been cleared of enemies

Other reports and news of interest:

100 days of special operation how long will it last?

Excellent report and very long and detailed, it gives estimates on losses and estimates that the Ukrainian army in Donbass has 40 days of resistance left, two months at most.

https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5ef8896c0d13dd78e21972de/100-dnei-proshlo-kak-dolgo-esce-prodlitsia-specoperaciia-z-629982b5d4895a35fa20c221

Accounts of battles

https://vk.com/@morskaya_pehota_384-boi-za-krymki-na-severe-dnr

The myths of Mariupol

https://topwar.ru/197124-osvobozhdenie-mariupolja-mify-i-realnost.html

Ukrainian artillery: the obstacle to the Russian offensive

Vladlen Tatarsky - war correspondent

In April 2022, new goals of the "special operation" in Ukraine were announced, namely, the reaching of the Donetsk and Lugansk borders and consolidation in the already liberated territories. As I understand it, it was supposed to be attacked in two converging directions from the Zaporozhe region to the north and from the Izyum region to the south. If the bag was closed, more than 50 thousand people would be surrounded by the entire Ukrainian army. However, such a bold plan did not work out and we switched to the tactics of "small cauldrons".

The main difficulty in conducting offensive operations in Ukraine is that, in fact, our troops have to go on the attack when the enemy's artillery is not suppressed. Reasons why we could not suppress the artillery:

- the absence or a critically small number of artillery radars.

- lack of effective reconnaissance of enemy artillery positions.

- the absence or minuscule number of attack unmanned aerial vehicles or kamikaze drones to destroy enemy artillery, immediately after detection.

- lack of organization of the counter-battery war

– after detecting an enemy mortar or artillery position, a long time passes until our artillery was able to start suppressing it. This is strongly influenced by two factors: communication and, in fact, the qualifications of the weapons assistants.

- lack of a sufficient number of reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicles to hunt enemy artillery around the clock.

You can throw enough infantry into battle, either armed with Kalashnikovs or even with Mosin bolt-action rifles, but neither of them will be able to reach the enemy's positions if the enemy artillery is not suppressed. Almost all fighters of assault groups, from different sectors of the front, note that the enemy, in 90% of cases, does not withstand hand-to-hand combat, especially newly formed units, and retreats. But due to the fact that the enemy artillery has not been eliminated, it is not possible to hold the positions already occupied.

You can gather as much infantry and equipment as you like, but the lack of an effective fight against the battery will simply turn any army, the bravest, into "cannon fodder" and prevent the fulfillment of geopolitical goals.

It is not a Masonic conspiracy that detains our troops, but specific shortcomings in the combat work of each commander.

In this regard it seems that the Russian counterbattery is working better and better according to this report from the Ukrainian side

https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/335894/



The T-80 in combat: interview with a crewman

https://telegra.ph/Nemnogo-o-T-80BVM-06-03



Various analysis

Another analysis that collects Western reports that confirm the exhaustion of the Ukrainian resistance and possible exits to war, my reservation is that the liberated parts of the Kiev regime will not constitute an independent Novorussia, but they will hold referendums on accession to Russia and independence will be an interim government.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/06/ukraine-beyond-day-100-breaking-resistance-deep-operation-a-new-country.html#more

Yet another analysis that indicates that the regime's army is now composed of 80% of untrained recruits and explains the tactic of bags that leave an open corridor for the enemy to retreat abandoning heavy material and baggage and thus avoid destruction and civilian casualties.

https://novorosinform.org/ishod-vsu-iz-donbassa-proizojdet-v-techenie-neskolkih-nedel-voennyj-ekspert-ocenil-itogi-100-dnej-specoperacii-96530.html

ucmvulcan wrote:Is it true the Nazi Fatherland (Germany) is planning to give the land of Retarded Neonazis (Ukraine) u boats for the new Kriegsmarine? If it is, where will Doenitz Jr operate them? The Dniepr?

They are barely giving them junk that they promised

If it sounds like nonsense it probably is

Don't know how reliable this is, but it will be interesting to follow its development:

After the First Interrogations of the “Azovstal” Surrendered Ghouls, the Following Picture Emerges…

May 22, 2022

1. Almost all admit that they profess a Nazi ideology based on Russophobia and the glorification of Nazi criminals. Any crimes against the life of Russians and the Russian-speaking population of the former Ukraine were deliberately justified on the basis of the “racial superiority” of Ukrainians over the “Rusnya”. Members of the “Azov” battalion were directly instructed to physically abuse the civilian population of the “Donetsk and Lugansk regions”, as well as all those “suspected of sympathising with Russia”.

2. The heads of the units testify that in February-March 2022, on the instructions of Zelensky, active preparations were made for an offensive on Donetsk and Lugansk, and then on Crimea. Plans were being developed to invade the territory of the Belgorod and Kursk regions.

3. Almost all claim that Russophobia was not just encouraged by Zelensky, and before him Poroshenko, and the government of Ukraine, but also actively implanted in society. It is Russophobia that has been the official policy of Kiev since 2014.

4. All are vying to tell about the massive participation of NATO curators in the preparation of operations against the republics of Donbass and Russia. American and European representatives prepared and trained “Azov” militants and other Nazi formations, actively supporting Russophobia and encouraging Ukrainian Nazism.

5. The heads of the units report that the tactics of using civilians as human shields were introduced by Western instructors on the basis of the conduct of hostilities by terrorist organisations of Islamists in Syria. Civilian casualties were to be blamed entirely on the Russians. Some admit that the order to independently increase the number of civilian casualties (that is, to kill their own) came from Kiev.

6. The information company in Ukraine was also handled by foreign curators who supplied the Nazis with methodology, technology and material support. The main goal was the ultimate demonisation and criminalisation of Russia, its people, its President, so that the militants would have no doubts about the need for the complete extermination of “Russian dishonour”.

7. Contradictory information is received from the interrogated about biological weapons. So far there is no reliable evidence of its existence. Some say they’ve heard about it.

8. A number of interrogated confessed to committing racially motivated crimes – rape, torture, brutal sadistic murders.

The picture may change during the expansion of the number of interrogated. But in general, it is already clear now, further details will only accumulate. There are already enough material on the tribunal of Ukraine and its “authorities”. As a result, after the surrender of “Azov”, which is banned in the Russian Federation, there is a full legal basis for legitimising the special military operation and its goals. Then it’s just a matter of our valiant troops.

Aleksandr Dugin

https://www.stalkerzone.org/after-the-first-interrogations-of-the-azovstal-surrendered-ghouls-the-following-picture-emerges/

Apparently Donetsk is getting pounded right now. There's video evidence.

This should count as an attack on Russia in my books.

If Putin doesn't make the executive decision to pound Kiev govt buildings and make Kiev inadmissible for western govt leaders then I cant continue supporting him.

Govt buildings across Ukraine have to be devastated. Any pro Ukraine mayors offices. Kharkiv, Odessa, Lviv , Kiev , you name it.

Backman wrote:Apparently Donetsk is getting pounded right now. There's video evidence.

This should count as an attack on Russia in my books.

If Putin doesn't make the executive decision to pound Kiev govt buildings and make Kiev inadmissible for western govt leaders then I cant continue supporting him.

I don't think there will be any reaction. We had attacks on Russian soil (with fatalities) and everything ended with threats.

caveat emptor wrote:

Backman wrote:Apparently Donetsk is getting pounded right now. There's video evidence.

This should count as an attack on Russia in my books.

If Putin doesn't make the executive decision to pound Kiev govt buildings and make Kiev inadmissible for western govt leaders then I cant continue supporting him.

I don't think there will be any reaction. We had attacks on Russian soil (with fatalities) and everything ended with threats.

That was a couple+ weeks ago. The rhetoric around the Russian security council has taken a hawkish turn in the last 24 hours. So well we'll see

Backman wrote:

That was a couple+ weeks ago. The rhetoric around the Russian security council has taken a hawkish turn in the last 24 hours. So well we'll see

They did bomb some military targets in Kiev, but not decision making centers. Unless you put few rockets in MoD, General HQ or some such building, nothing will change.
You really need to make an example and then say, you were warned.

^ I agree

Kadyrov on Telegram said things are going to speed up. He had a meeting with Shoigu too

Backman wrote:^ I agree

Kadyrov on Telegram said things are going to speed up. He had a meeting with Shoigu too

Unfortunately, i think that Russian government decision makers need a kick in the ass until they start to follow up on their words.
I hope we will not have to see big civilian losses for that to happen.

The difference with Belgorod is that the shelling is impacting directly on downtown Donetsk

Shells are exploding within the city proper

There is talk of increasing movement near Kharkov

What goes in in the leadership I cannot say

Whether it was planned to escalate at this point or what they were waiting for I do not know

But the words from Medvedev and Kadyrov signal some change

I wonder really what they saw

ASB News

In response to Ukrop forces shelling Donetsk, Russian Navy has launched Kalibrs at Ukraine. Air raid all over Ukraine. Explosions in Odessa, Nikolaev

Huge explosions in Kharkov

I have not seen confirmed reports of the replacement of Dvornikov

I am sure for sake of rotation that the generals will be rotated

Also, in Kharkov, Russia forces are returning to Stary Saltov

Why would they leave this direction in the first place to approach again?

Some kind of change in priorities?

Backman wrote:ASB News

In response to Ukrop forces shelling Donetsk, Russian Navy has launched Kalibrs at Ukraine. Air raid all over Ukraine. Explosions in Odessa, Nikolaev

Huge explosions in Kharkov

Are there any strikes on Kiev? Have they struck the command centers

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Backman wrote:ASB News

In response to Ukrop forces shelling Donetsk, Russian Navy has launched Kalibrs at Ukraine. Air raid all over Ukraine. Explosions in Odessa, Nikolaev

Huge explosions in Kharkov

Are there any strikes on Kiev? Have they struck the command centers

We won't know for a few hours. Anything less than main command centers and mayors offices isn't sufficient though

Arkanghelsk wrote:I have not seen confirmed reports of the replacement of Dvornikov

I am sure for sake of rotation that the generals will be rotated

Also, in Kharkov, Russia forces are returning to Stary Saltov

Why would they leave this direction in the first place to approach again?

Some kind of change in priorities?

What I've seen is that commander in Kharkov direction was replaced.

caveat emptor wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:I have not seen confirmed reports of the replacement of Dvornikov

I am sure for sake of rotation that the generals will be rotated

Also, in Kharkov, Russia forces are returning to Stary Saltov

Why would they leave this direction in the first place to approach again?

Some kind of change in priorities?

What I've seen is that commander in Kharkov direction was replaced.

How do you know? What report is there?

I have seen reports of a new offensive

People, you need to stop thinking you know better, you don't:

- You don't have the information, the expertise or the resources to know better;
- Not knowing the plan does not mean there is none;
- Please be humble and let the professionals decide when and where to press the pain points.

It seems we never get out of this anxiety cycle, there is a way these things are done and it is not based on knee-jerk reactions.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:I have not seen confirmed reports of the replacement of Dvornikov

I am sure for sake of rotation that the generals will be rotated

Also, in Kharkov, Russia forces are returning to Stary Saltov

Why would they leave this direction in the first place to approach again?

Some kind of change in priorities?

What I've seen is that commander in Kharkov direction was replaced.

How do you know? What report is there?

I have seen reports of a new offensive

Rybar mentioned it this morning in regards to operation around Stary Saltov.