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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jun 03, 2022 11:09 am

    Hinex1988 wrote:⚡Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The next video shoot is scheduled for June 5 and 6. The videos will focus on staged testimonies of "ordinary Ukrainians" accusing Russia of allegedly deliberately shelling civilian populated areas.

    #MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
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    Maybe some 'incoming' to add some realism to the mix.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jun 03, 2022 11:30 am

    GarryB wrote:

    Considering both sides use the same calibres how would an ordinary Orc know the difference between Russian and Orc shelling?

    Hilarious....

    This argument shoots in both directions, so I would be careful putting it on the table.
    Tons of testimonies against the Kiev junta forces are claiming just the same and asked how they figured that out, the answers are just similar.
    People know that because of the other behaviors or remembering the previous activities. In Mariopol, lots of people claim artillery bombardment was made in time when there were no Russian forces at all in the area.
    Plus I would not underestimate the civilian skill in distinguishing the direction of fire or caliber, sometimes even specified ammo. After years of war, people get a full education on the matter. What was one of the most devastating situations in this whole 8 years fuckin' war, was an interview made with some 10 y/o girl in the Doneck area I watched. She was about an age of my own, sitting there in the basement, and corresponding without any excitement: oh, you hear that? Grad is coming. Oh, that one was "a hundred fifty-two", "stopietdiesiatdwojka". It strucked here nearby, killed uncle Sasha. Oh, and this is a mine, 82 "osiemdziesiatkadwojka". This was just surreal.

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    Post  Hole Fri Jun 03, 2022 11:32 am

    Ispan wrote:"Every seven seconds a Ukrainian soldier dies"

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/06/02/parte-de-guerra-02-06-2022-cada-siete-segundos-muere-un-soldado-ucraniano/

    Good. Now bring the number down to 5 seconds.

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    Post  Hole Fri Jun 03, 2022 11:42 am

    In our case, the suppression of air defense does not stand out as a separate task for specialized units, it is part of the overall strategy, and as a result, its priority is low in the eyes of combined arms commanders who set tasks for their aviation, artillery and special units. This complicates the task, since insufficient priority does not always allow you to achieve goals in a timely manner, even if there is a real goal designation. A separate problem is the shortage of Moderna "large" RER/RTR aircraft and attack drones. All this together slows down the fight against air defense, reduces its effectiveness and increases the risk to aviation in the course of performing basic tasks. A separate problem is the indifference of the combined arms command to a task that does not concern them directly - the risks of the Vks and their probable losses are the problem of the VKS. "No one seriously thinks even about the increased composition of forces and means. Until the Buk starts shooting at the tanks, they won't give a shit about the crews, but the results will be required" – (c) user opinion of a combat aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

    But even with the current set of domestic weapons and equipment, the effectiveness of the fight against air defense can be increased by defining the task of suppressing air defense as a priority and forming a strategy for combating it, including the assignment of specialized aviation units, MTR groups and artillery/missile units of the ground forces.

    What a load of BS.

    All modern russian aircraft are able to carry ARM´s, nearly every aircraft flying above "Ukraine" has them and is using them as soon as some radar of an AD system is turned on. According to this author this is a weakness, because "no special unit" is used.

    And what is it with attack drones? Apart from the upcoming Okhotnik all other current "attack" drones (like Reaper, Bakshish or Orion) are Cessnas with weapons. Can one of them
    carry ARM´s? I don´t think so.

    You could think russian aircraft are shot down on a daily basis in the dozens reading this stuff. But this isn´t happening because the "ukrainian" AD has been supressed or completely annihilated.

    He thinks NATO does it better? Well, when did NATO have to fight an mobile networked AD system? NEVER! In "Ukraine" there are no fixes AD sited which you can bomb for a few days and then the AD is finished. The last remaining Buks are hiding everywhere.

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    Post  Hole Fri Jun 03, 2022 11:44 am

    https://thesaker.is/its-education-stupid/
    About the difference of russian and western "leaders"

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:16 pm

    This argument shoots in both directions, so I would be careful putting it on the table.

    I am not afraid of the truth, we have seen enough of Kievs use of their own civilians they see as traitors and pro Russia that they have been shelling and bombing the last 8 years and we have heard the lies from Kiev about Russian atrocities and we can often tell immediately who is lying.

    There of course are mistakes in war and I wont pretend no civilians have be shelled by the Russians because that is going to happen when Kievs military uses them as meatshields to keep breathing a little longer...

    Tons of testimonies against the Kiev junta forces are claiming just the same and asked how they figured that out, the answers are just similar.

    In plenty of cases there will be evidence like the remains of Tochka rockets and the angle they landed and position they landed in respect to the direction of each fighting force will give a good indication but that requires analysis and examination as well as witness testimony.

    In Mariopol, lots of people claim artillery bombardment was made in time when there were no Russian forces at all in the area.

    Another factor is the size of the Russian force they are likely not carrying enough ammo to level everything and to kill everyone and so far they seem to have shown no interested in shelling civilians... which might change as they get further in to the country but personally I doubt it.

    Plus I would not underestimate the civilian skill in distinguishing the direction of fire or caliber, sometimes even specified ammo.

    The people of the Donbass have 8 years experience... lets hope it only takes four years for the nazi families in Lvov to get that good... Twisted Evil

    After years of war, people get a full education on the matter. What was one of the most devastating situations in this whole 8 years fuckin' war, was an interview made with some 10 y/o girl in the Doneck area I watched. She was about an age of my own, sitting there in the basement, and corresponding without any excitement: oh, you hear that? Grad is coming. Oh, that one was "a hundred fifty-two", "stopietdiesiatdwojka". It strucked here nearby, killed uncle Sasha. Oh, and this is a mine, 82 "osiemdziesiatkadwojka". This was just surreal.

    And how would the experience of a Ukrainian with 8 years of friendly fire compare with the expert opinion from any ukrainian from any part of the rest of the country that Kiev wants you to believe...

    What a load of BS.

    I agree... enemy air defence and enemy artillery have been getting priority treatment by the Russian forces since day one... how else could they have possibly hit so many artillery pieces if they were waiting 30 minutes to fire back... most Russian equipment would have stopped and set up and fired and then moved in half that time and that would be towed weapons. Now sure, their dedication to precision and accuracy is not the same as for the Russian forces and I suspect the new American guns will take longer to handle in and out but if these reports are to be believed then there shouldn't be any Orc artillery or air defence being destroyed yet the opposite seems to be true regarding the daily reports.

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    Post  Vann7 Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:18 pm

    limb wrote:
    lancelot wrote:It probably depends on which systems you are talking about. Not all Russian self propelled artillery has been digitized. And most of the towed artillery has not been digitized either. And if the spotting data comes from a commercial drone there is little chance it is integrated with the existing kill chain.

    I see these formalities when russian artillerymen are using MSTA-B, Giatsints, or Malkas. Its unaccesptable that these guns don't even have a rudimentary fire control system. In 2022, and artilleryman should just wait for coordinates, feed them in an analog or 1980s tech digital computer which then automatically moves the barrel, load the gun and fire.

    Scribbling complex math on a piece of paper while  the enemy is highly mobile and the infantry is in danger is world war 2 bullshit. Its also the responsibility of the artillery observer and GLONASS to give the exact coordinates. If glonass is ineffective for giving artillery coordinates, then the russian artillery is obsolete garbage.


    I don't know if you haven't been paying attention , but everywhere in the russian military ,
    specially in navy and airforce , including nuclear forces , you see a ton of mechanical switches in their panels from the 70's , that you don't see anywhere in the west.

    And why this happen?  because Russia military is paper tiger in advanced electronics.
    Whenever you see a report of russian doing something high tech electronics , you see technicians working with circuits  by hand in a board. this is 70's era of electronics or 80's or 90's. whatever , anything but not a modern way of doing things.  And all this poor modernization of russian military digitalization of russian military is directly connected to putin's lack of vision for the entire nation , of relying in the western anglo business world ,that include europe and its asian puppet high tech colonies almost everything in russia advanced electronics . and without the anglo system business  
    they can do very few things on their own.

    When you have incompetent people at the top of the nation with very mediocre vision for the future
    of the country , then all this mediocre development and limitations of their military , in high tech electronics and advanced drones technology becomes the norm across the entire military.

    While the west vision ,was for world leadership and world domination , and all their domestic and foreign policies aimed for achieving this , what was Putin saying ,he wanted for Russia future ?

    putin wanted.
    1)"nation stability"   Neutral
    2) To make Russia the capital of sports..   Neutral
    3) To make russia the world biggest gas station , a monopoly in oil and natural gas.
    4) To makek russia the world major exporter of food..


    so all this investment and promotion of the government of so mediocre and out of date ,  development what cause is that majority of russian scientist in russia and engineers , ends working in Russia energy industry , in sports industry or in the food industry .

    Medvedev when he was president , he told ,that one of the major challenges of russia development was find people with russian citizens qualified for their advanced jobs  

    He did not gave more details , but it was not hard to connect the dots , that majority of russian
    engineers ,and scientist ends working in this out dated business , because they are paid better there.
    There are cosmonauts how resigned their job in space ,to work at gasprom.  only in russia that is possible.  lol1

    so why the russian government keeps dragging their feets , in the development of the country ,
    and this in turns force russia ,to delay the full modernization of its military , and force them to do things the old ways , this makes their efficiency to significantly suffer , because of the way they forced to do everything.

    se russian drones reality are full of electronics , cameras ,from foreign nation and not domestic ones. and making excuses for this incompetence , is what keeps russia in the past ..

    if russia really wanted to defeat the west ,in a very easy way ,all they need to do , is for the entire russian government to resign , specially putin ,and Russia become a colony of China ,
    and that chinese government takes control of outdated Russia , and  move many of their Advanced factories there and solve the low population problem in russia. and russia-china becomes fully integrated super power ,that completely out gun , and outsmart the west.  This extremes measures
    of russia becoming a puppet state of china ,are not so bad , when people understand that under the putin's regime , a true development of the nation is almost impossible , with the mentality of the russian government ,that live in the past and have zero ambitions for the future , other than "Stability" ,in the most laziest ways possible of nation development ,since the russian empire era.  

    The other option for russia fixing the problem ,is also that putin resigns and soviet union system returns in russia. either way , russia as a colony of china , giving away their nukes to them , or russia returning to soviet union era ,is not as bad ,as the alternative , that today russia have with an outdated leadership in power today ,that wants to hold power forever.

    This is why i like so much Rogozin , is the only person there ,that tells how it is , and complains openly in public , to expose the incompetence of putin.  more people like rogozin needs to be in russian top government positions , people not afraid to tells the truth to their bosses and do it in public to pressure putin , to change.

    Rogozing himself told.. two things ,about the reasons for russia very slow development in space ,

    1) "he told , they want us ,to lead in space with 1/20 the budget of US and china."
    2) "We have many rockets to send to space ,but nothing to put inside." because of the sanctions.


    So Rogozin complained about russia space program very low budget , and also complained how they suffering alot ,because their satellites depends a lot of western high tech electronics ,and many of this things can't be done locally, and can't exported either for the sanctions.. And everyone knows
    that is putin the one that assign the budget of russian space program and military too , and the ones that tells the direction of the economy , whether as a food energy industry or something else.

    And whenever you open a russian drone ,you will see everywhere foreign electronics ,from nations that unfriendly nations ,(who wants to break russia ), like US and europe control. Russian limitations
    with high tech electronics ,are self imposed by Russia own government , that do not promote /invest properly in modernizing russia economy.




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    Post  GarryB Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:23 pm

    About the difference of russian and western "leaders"

    Right up until about the mid 1990s being an academic at university studying the Soviet Union was respected and it attracted some rather capable people with good insight and sensible thought processes, but by the mid 1990s the collapse of the Soviet Union meant those departments in western universities collapsed and disappeared and with it went the quality advisors the west used to have.

    Western Russian policy went from carefully studied and examined educated and informed, to guess work and stereotypes of the worst kind and when shown to be wrong they doubled down and made further false claims and speculation as to why their predictions failed.

    The west has been under estimating Russia ever since and Russia has benefitted immensely from that...

    Edit... was just about to post this and then I read Captain Wrongs post above mine... I think Vann is the Chief advisor to Biden and Clinton and Bush and Trump and Obama... that would explain things.... except those regimes wanted to get rid of Putin because he is competent and a threat, but Vann believes the excuses the west gives and thinks he is holding Russia back... hilarious.

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    Post  TMA1 Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:35 pm

    Vann7: I saw telltales and switches in a video it is therefore abundantly clear that Russia is a paper tiger.

    Why is this cringy goof still posting here?

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jun 03, 2022 1:51 pm

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    Post  kvs Fri Jun 03, 2022 2:32 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Hinex1988 wrote:⚡Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The next video shoot is scheduled for June 5 and 6. The videos will focus on staged testimonies of "ordinary Ukrainians" accusing Russia of allegedly deliberately shelling civilian populated areas.

    #MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
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    Maybe some 'incoming' to add some realism to the mix.

    From what I got out of Mercouris' recent analysis we have BBC now operating in Donbass together with the Ukr forces and
    the coverage is of "indiscriminate shelling" of Severodonetsk by Russians. This is coming from clowns that couldn't be bothered
    to cover actual indiscriminate shelling by Kiev regime forces in 2014 and every day since. Instead they just repeated Kiev
    regime drivel about "separatists shelling themselves".

    You can see how the propaganda rests on itself. First we had the wave of garbage about how Kiev was winning. Now that
    it is clearly losing we have Russia using "overwhelming" numbers and "brutality". The NATzO sheeple are kept in a tight box.

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    Post  Mir Fri Jun 03, 2022 2:36 pm

    BIG picture to emphasize the real picture >> From airbase.ru

    "Humanitarian" assistance for the establishment of "democracy".
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    Post  LMFS Fri Jun 03, 2022 2:40 pm

    Arestovich: "Crimea is the territory of Ukraine, so the ban on the use of American MLRS does not apply to it"


    https://en.topwar.ru/197211-arestovich-krym-javljaetsja-territoriej-ukrainy-pojetomu-zapret-na-primenenie-amerikanskih-rszo-na-nego-ne-rasprostranjaetsja.html

    The ukies further justifying Russia's claims that they acted in self defence respekt

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jun 03, 2022 3:10 pm

    Mir wrote:BIG picture to emphasize the real picture >> From airbase.ru

    To be fair, this weapon load was sized by the 5th Fleet USS Montgomery somewhere in the Arab Sea a year ago.
    So the end receiver was not usual "democracy fighters" for sure Laughing

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    Post  Isos Fri Jun 03, 2022 3:12 pm

    Mir wrote:BIG picture to emphasize the real picture >> From airbase.ru

    "Humanitarian" assistance for the establishment of "democracy".
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #17 - Page 32 30-10810


    Weapons they already have in mass in Ukraine. This won't change the situation. 90% of this will end up being sold on the black market to mafias and terrorists.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jun 03, 2022 3:18 pm

    British MoD just tweeted an official comment "why the Russian invasion failed in the very first 24h".

    Now focus, because this is pure gold.

    They failed, because ... they could not conquer Kiev and could not establish control over the Gostomel airport in the first 24h.

    Yes.

    They are serious.

    If you saw the Russkies securing the Gostomel in the very first hours, then you must be obviously wrong. It is another thing, not something you saw.

    And remember, one takes a 3mln metropolis in 24h. Just like that.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Jun 03, 2022 3:37 pm

    ALAMO wrote:British MoD just tweeted an official comment "why the Russian invasion failed in the very first 24h".

    Now focus, because this is pure gold.

    They failed, because ... they could not conquer Kiev and could not establish control over the Gostomel airport in the first 24h.

    Yes.

    They are serious.

    If you saw the Russkies securing the Gostomel in the very first hours, then you must be obviously wrong. It is another thing, not something you saw.

    And remember, one takes a 3mln metropolis in 24h. Just like that.

    Shit well if we use those standards

    The invasion of Afghanistan failed after the first 20 years

    They could not conquer bagram after 20 years

    Did the taliban have NLAWS and M777??

    Well maybe not, but they did have javelins lmfao

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    Post  sundoesntrise Fri Jun 03, 2022 3:40 pm

    Straight out of the pen, Gaz didn't like my previous compliment. It was meant to be some old school ball busting big guy, no hard feelz though

    So many uncomfortable truths to unpack in the post below. Russia now truly is a Chinese satellite state ready for the picking, a giant landmass that only serves the purpose of maintaining the Chinese Dream.

    You can thank Uncle Vlad for that. So many blunders its absurd. On all levels. I am still at a loss how the biggest country in the world with a 150 million pop strong population and main exporter of 13/16 of the world's main minerals and raw resources can find himself outmanoevred on the political and diplomatic front. Seriously, how is that even possible?

    No stop on eastward NATO expansion, no Russian orbit, no 'denazification' of the Kiev junta, internationally isolated, arrested economy, failure of energy dependency policy, military debacle in Ukraine..

    And now degraded to a Chinese battering ram to bring down US hegemony - with the former not even willing to skirt sanctions due to investment in global economy. I bet the Changs are covertly satisfied with the Russians bogged down and cut off. They just got basically unlimited access to Russia's resources for pennies on the dollar. Multipolarity might ensue but at the cost of Russia and at the benefit of China.

    IT'S OVER.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Jun 03, 2022 3:46 pm

    sundoesntrise wrote:Straight out of the pen, Gaz didn't like my previous compliment. It was meant to be some old school ball busting big guy, no hard feelz though

    So many uncomfortable truths to unpack in the post below. Russia now truly is a Chinese satellite state ready for the picking, a giant landmass that only serves the purpose of maintaining the Chinese Dream.

    You can thank Uncle Vlad for that. So many blunders its absurd. On all levels. I am still at a loss how the biggest country in the world with a 150 million pop strong population and main exporter of 13/16 of the world's main minerals and raw resources can find himself outmanoevred on the political and diplomatic front. Seriously, how is that even possible?

    No stop on eastward NATO expansion, no Russian orbit, no 'denazification' of the Kiev junta, internationally isolated, arrested economy, failure of energy dependency policy, military debacle in Ukraine..

    And now degraded to a Chinese battering ram to bring down US hegemony - with the former not even willing to skirt sanctions due to investment in global economy. I bet the Changs are covertly satisfied with the Russians bogged down and cut off. They just got basically unlimited access to Russia's resources for pennies on the dollar. Multipolarity might ensue but at the cost of Russia and at the benefit of China.

    IT'S OVER.

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    Another hungry cuban ?

    At least cuba is better off than Ukraine lol

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    Post  lyle6 Fri Jun 03, 2022 3:59 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:

    Another hungry cuban ?

    At least cuba is better off than Ukraine lol
    This one's mine - I recognize the provider. We have many American dick riders unfortunately. Just smile and ignore - its terminal.

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    Post  Hole Fri Jun 03, 2022 4:08 pm

    ALAMO wrote:British MoD just tweeted an official comment "why the Russian invasion failed in the very first 24h".

    Now focus, because this is pure gold.

    They failed, because ... they could not conquer Kiev and could not establish control over the Gostomel airport in the first 24h.

    Yes.

    They are serious.

    If you saw the Russkies securing the Gostomel in the very first hours, then you must be obviously wrong. It is another thing, not something you saw.

    And remember, one takes a 3mln metropolis in 24h. Just like that.

    The armed forces of little Britain fit inside a football stadium. This is like accepting advice from Liechtenstein on winning the football world cup.

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    Post  Hole Fri Jun 03, 2022 4:09 pm

    kvs wrote:
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    Hinex1988 wrote:⚡Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The next video shoot is scheduled for June 5 and 6. The videos will focus on staged testimonies of "ordinary Ukrainians" accusing Russia of allegedly deliberately shelling civilian populated areas.

    #MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
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    https://t.me/mod_russia_en/2006

    Maybe some 'incoming' to add some realism to the mix.

    From what I got out of Mercouris' recent analysis we have BBC now operating in Donbass together with the Ukr forces and
    the coverage is of "indiscriminate shelling" of Severodonetsk by Russians.   This is coming from clowns that couldn't be bothered
    to cover actual indiscriminate shelling by Kiev regime forces in 2014 and every day since.   Instead they just repeated Kiev
    regime drivel about "separatists shelling themselves".  

    You can see how the propaganda rests on itself.   First we had the wave of garbage about how Kiev was winning.   Now that
    it is clearly losing we have Russia using "overwhelming" numbers and "brutality".   The NATzO sheeple are kept in a tight box.

     

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    Scenes from videos made by the Brits. The heroic Ukro fighters on the frontline. Laughing

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    Post  dionis Fri Jun 03, 2022 4:29 pm

    In case anyone is following the Russian Generals saga...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_generals_killed_during_the_2022_invasion_of_Ukraine

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    Post  lancelot Fri Jun 03, 2022 4:43 pm

    sundoesntrise wrote:No stop on eastward NATO expansion, no Russian orbit, no 'denazification' of the Kiev junta, internationally isolated, arrested economy, failure of energy dependency policy, military debacle in Ukraine..

    And now degraded to a Chinese battering ram to bring down US hegemony - with the former not even willing to skirt sanctions due to investment in global economy. I bet the Changs are covertly satisfied with the Russians bogged down and cut off. They just got basically unlimited access to Russia's resources for pennies on the dollar. Multipolarity might ensue but at the cost of Russia and at the benefit of China.
    The conflict isn't over and you already claim the Kiev junta was not denazified? Believe me, this conflict will last quite a while. And you might see several cease fire periods without the war actually ending. The West will continue to show its full ineptness while Russia leisurely walks all over Ukraine.

    Russia will eventually increase its de facto population by extending its control over most, if not all, of Ukraine, and the entirety of Belarus. Kherson and Zaporizhzhia will become Oblasts of the Russian Federation. And eventually Kharkov and Odessa will as well. Every time a major city will fall you will see major headlines and Uncle Sam will huff and puff and continue to do nothing. They will grow increasingly irrational and out of touch. Russia will easily add over 30 million people to its own population. How do I know this? Because the West created this situation by sanctioning Belarus and attempting a coup against Lukashenko. Therefore we will see Belarus being absorbed into the Russian Federation in our lifetimes. And as for Ukraine just look at what is happening.

    Russia basically dismantled the US and the West's plan to absorb the Russosphere in tiny little chunks they could easily plunder. And with regards to the rest time will tell. You will definitely see the West focus on destroying the Chinese Navy. They simply cannot allow it to continue to grow until it surpasses their own. Russia will have plenty of time to recover in the meantime.

    Russia needs to avoid massive concentrations of their own troops in case HATO decides to nuke them. Russia can't send a couple hundred thousand into a Ukrainian city in one go to clean it up, because those troops and the city would be nuked by HATO. Believe me it would happen. Hence, you will see a really slow conquest of Ukraine done with minimal amount of troops like you are seeing now, it will seem really slow but it will happen. In historical terms it won't be slow. But it will be quite different from wars where the US can sanction and pre-position troops at will and not expect someone to nuke them while they are in the middle of the conflict.

    My biggest question is what will happen with Finland and the Baltics after stage 2 of the Special Military Operation, the liberation of Donbass, is over. And I think this conflict will be used to create an EU Army. Already Denmark is going to do a referendum on joining the EU defense policy despite being a member of NATO. If NATO was so hot, why bother doing that in the first place? I would not be surprised to see a conventional war between this EU Army and the Russian Army and this lead to the eventual expulsion of US troops from Europe.

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