Russian special military operation in Ukraine #17

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lancelot wrote:It probably depends on which systems you are talking about. Not all Russian self propelled artillery has been digitized. And most of the towed artillery has not been digitized either. And if the spotting data comes from a commercial drone there is little chance it is integrated with the existing kill chain.

I see these formalities when russian artillerymen are using MSTA-B, Giatsints, or Malkas. Its unaccesptable that these guns don't even have a rudimentary fire control system. In 2022, and artilleryman should just wait for coordinates, feed them in an analog or 1980s tech digital computer which then automatically moves the barrel, load the gun and fire.

Scribbling complex math on a piece of paper while  the enemy is highly mobile and the infantry is in danger is world war 2 bullshit. Its also the responsibility of the artillery observer and GLONASS to give the exact coordinates. If glonass is ineffective for giving artillery coordinates, then the russian artillery is obsolete garbage.

You cannot really rely on Glonass as it can be spoofed of jammed. You need INS for approx coordinates + glonass so at least you can confirm you are not being spoofed. Of they need a secure Glonass with keys that change daily.

Zelensky finally admitted Russia now holds one-fifth of Ukraine, the second largest country within Europe. What the U.S didn't allow him to acknowledge is that Russia controls Ukraine's industrial heartland, 90% of its energy resources (including all of offshore oil), and its critical ports and shipping. Because if he would have admitted that then

(a) it will raise serious questions about the sub standard quality of NATO's weapons and training; and

(b) a demoralized Ukrainian military might surrender en masse thereby putting paid to NATO's nefarious plans of continuing this war forever.

Soldiers of the People's Militia: There are more and more captured Western ATGMs and MANPADS, but we use them less and less.

https://topwar.ru/197232-bojcy-narodnoj-milicii-trofejnyh-zapadnyh-ptrk-i-pzrk-vse-bolshe-no-primenjaem-ih-vse-rezhe.html

mnztr wrote:

Ispan wrote:"Every seven seconds a Ukrainian soldier dies"

https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/06/02/parte-de-guerra-02-06-2022-cada-siete-segundos-muere-un-soldado-ucraniano/

Dunno why they have to take propaganda so far it becomes BS. That would be 12000 a day and I doubt that is true. If it was Ukraine would have already have surrendered.

I should have added this disclaimer, but I was in a rush because I wanted to post the entry before the midnight deadline

Note for pedants: History buffs will know that those in Donetsk have done nothing more than repeat the chilling message broadcast by Soviet radio to the Germans encircled in Stalingrad. Obviously the figure of one dead every seven seconds is an exaggeration. The real figure is one dead every 7 minutes, or about 10 per hour, more than 200 dead per day, which is below the daily average according to the reports of the Russian communiqués,. The daily figure is usually higher.

Hole wrote:https://thesaker.is/its-education-stupid/
About the difference of russian and western "leaders"

Bingo, give that man a cigar.

Andrei Martyanov says exactly the same thing, and both men are bang on the money.

Western "elites" are a pack of fcking idiots. We have useless imbeciles with zero technical knowledge installed in the topmost executive positions (eg Biden/Harris, BoJo, Micron, Scholz, Ursula von der Crazy, Trudeau & ex-ScoMo here in 'Stralya) but acting as nothing more than compliant sock puppets for globalist puppet masters like Klaus Schwab & Soros and the cabal of privileged capital owners that they represent.

So enjoying watching these corrupt idiots rage and scream in frustration at Putin & Russia!! The spoiled little children of rich parents are finally learning that they are not special (at least not in a good way...), and that the world is not their personal sandbox.

TMA1 wrote:Vann7: I saw telltales and switches in a video it is therefore abundantly clear that Russia is a paper tiger.

Why is this cringy goof still posting here?

..because he stopped taking his meds?

GarryB wrote:Right up until about the mid 1990s being an academic at university studying the Soviet Union was respected and it attracted some rather capable people with good insight and sensible thought processes, but by the mid 1990s the collapse of the Soviet Union meant those departments in western universities collapsed and disappeared and with it went the quality advisors the west used to have.

Western Russian policy went from carefully studied and examined educated and informed, to guess work and stereotypes of the worst kind and when shown to be wrong they doubled down and made further false claims and speculation as to why their predictions failed.

Western thinking regarding Russia has become captive to our ideological and cultural biases. The West is "exceptional" and is the absolute pinnacle of human society, culture, thought and development. Self-serving policies dictate that Russia must be regarded as inferior, and is always to be presented in that light. The fact that reality stubbornly refuses to conform to the wishes of the collective West is deemed to be unimportant.

Societies that behave this way are doomed to systemic collapse, but our current crop of ruling idiots are too hide-bound to see how the wheels are falling off their little hobby horse. The few smart people that remain are now seeing the clear and obvious signs of Imperial Decay, but they don't inhabit the policy-making circles, and the overly entitled and privileged Mandarins of Empire refuse to heed the warnings and instead quicken their pace in the rush over the cliffs edge...

India's External Affairs Minister clarifies at the Bratislava Forum why India did not support Europe against Russia. Basically he is saying, during the India-China border clash in 2020 Europe did not support India, so why should India support Europe now during the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

Mir wrote:

Wut?   Who the heck ships weapons like this?  No crates?  Just laid out on a deck exposed to the sun and the elements?  

PR wanking extraordinaire...  With assistance like this its no wonder that Ukropisstains forces are crushing the mud-hut Moskals and hammering away at the gates of Moscow...  

edit: OK, I got triggered... but my comment re the imminent downfall of Moscow are still pertinent

ALAMO wrote:To be fair, this weapon load was sized by the 5th Fleet USS Montgomery somewhere in the Arab Sea a year ago.
So the end receiver was not usual "democracy fighters" for sure

The US did indeed fail in its main objective , to get Russia as a resource base , when it was blocked from this in the 1990s , they had to settle for Ukraine, which was a tool to use to break Russia

They also blundered this, they basically had Russia in the bag in 1990, but The inept Uncle Clinton really bungled it and let the world's resource base crawl from him

They had to go to plan b , color revolutions and that failed miserably

Plan C finally involved utilizing Banderites to break Russia , and they bungled this up epically

China ate the US lunch and walks off happily

Russia survived the US War and expanded into Ukraine and Kazakhstan

And the bungled US walks away with hyperinflation, a destroyed economy, partisan infighting, mass shootings daily, and a broke and impoverished EU which is quickly becoming a bigger Ukraine (suitcase without a handle)

How you **** this up, having the world's foremost lead in economy and political trickery is beyond me

You truly have to be led by morons to let the Unipolar moment evaporate in a series of premature ED wars that none of their elites or generals managed well

Even their intellectual economists Yellen and Powell are singing like birds that " we made mistakes"

Lmfao




Goodluck with summit of the America's, my resident Pindo and Cuban friends!

Hahahaha

sundoesntrise wrote:IT'S OVER.

Is that you Vann?

I have better things to do than to respond to this

Arkanghelsk wrote:How you **** this up, having the world's foremost lead in economy and political trickery is beyond me

You truly have to be led by morons to let the Unipolar moment evaporate in a series of premature ED wars that none of their elites or generals managed well

Even their intellectual economists Yellen and Powell are singing like birds that " we made mistakes"

Its simple.

Bad times lead to strong men.
Strong men lead to good times. <- the Chinese and Russians are currently here
Good times lead to weak men.  
Weak men lead to bad times.  <-  the West is currently here
Rinse & repeat until our species doth perish.

Put fools and idiots in charge and your society goes down the shitter.  Its not rocket science.

Historically speaking, the upside has always being a B team. They never break that glass ceiling. Always in the shadow and reactionary to the dominant global power (usually Western one). As Kissinger said, a balancing force, a role needed due to excesses of the dominant. What the old fox won't tell you is that it never truly balances, just alleviates the power disparity (and that is indirectly beneficial to the dominant, whether the leaders of the time, caught up in the moment, realize it or not). But yes, it's clear it will be a solid C/D team going forward.

The Changs should be plenty happy of course. Even India...

But if you do them like that, you'll spoil the great victories of historical magnitude in some random village in the Donbass.

Folks got better stuff to do... jacking off a Putin pic for example.

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ATLASCUB wrote:Historically speaking, the upside has always being a B team. They never break that glass ceiling. Always in the shadow and reactionary to the dominant global power (usually Western one). As Kissinger said, a balancing force, a role needed due to excesses of the dominant. What the old fox won't tell you is that it never truly balances, just alleviates the power disparity (and that is indirectly beneficial to the dominant, whether the leaders of the time, caught up in the moment, realize it or not). But yes, it's clear it will be a solid C/D team going forward.

The Changs should be plenty happy of course. Even India...

But if you do them like that, you'll spoil the great victories of historical magnitude in some random village in the Donbass.

Folks got better stuff to do... jacking off a Putin pic for example.

No shit it was reactionary you bum !!!

Who overthrew who in 1990???

You speaking in so much bullshit monologue to get through all the bullshit you spew

The onus was on America to preserve their empire, not Russia to establish a new one after falling apart 20 years ago

But only a dunce like you can spin this the other way

Russia never had a Unipolar moment , it was the "end of history" all liberal globalist danced to this tune prematurely blowing their wad for 20 years straight

Putin isn't inept for stabilizing a country that fell apart

But your resident country is inept for blowing a lead that surpassed the next 10 countries combined

Of course Russia was in the shadow !!!

Only a jackass would say the opposite!!!

Russian GDP : 1 trillion

US GDP: 30 Trillion

Russian War budget : 40 billion

US war budget : 700 billion

Lmfao keep on digging

Arky boy... the only thing that poster highlights is the incompetence of Russian leadership of the last 60 years... allowing the lives of 20+ million to have been all for nothing.... even till this day. Current leadership is simply clawing for your own land, as the dominant plays proxy and puppet master with a bunch of your own, on your yard. Fratricidal doesn't even begin to cover it. It's a humiliating catastrophe, not something to be proud off. Only spin and propaganda can make it look so, and that is not reality. In any other contemporary sense the conflict would qualify as a civil war. Only Russians are the kind of stupid to have millions upon millions of their own identify as Ukranians, or Belarussians for that matter.

Keep crying... and continue to be a fool for the delight of all. Just because you respond, doesn't mean your response lands well. Sort of like Russian moves on the chessboard.

Excuses are not a plug in for lack of understanding. Sometimes it's better to not respond at all. But we know that's not what those rubles are buying...

Made in China too...

Touche.

ATLASCUB wrote:Arky boy... the only thing that poster highlights is the incompetence of Russian leadership of the last 60 years... allowing the lives of 20+ million to have been all for nothing.... even till this day. Current leadership is simply clawing for your own land, as the dominant plays proxy and puppet master with a bunch of your own, on your yard. Fratricidal doesn't even begin to cover it. It's a humiliating catastrophe, not something to be proud off. Only spin and propaganda can make it look so, and that is not reality.

Keep crying... and continue to be a fool for the delight of all. Just because you respond, doesn't mean your response lands well. Sort of like Russian moves on the chessboard.

Excuses are not a plug in for lack of understanding.

Your education is not good, there was no Russian leadership of 60 years

But a soviet one, obviously history cannot end if you don't acknowledge these nuances, then again a DC cock sucker wouldn't know that anyway

The lives of 20 million did not die for "nothing" but for a sovereign state which conducts its own policy and which is a center of an independent world order

Which is more than can be said for Japan and Germany which paid similar costs and are occupied states of the dying hegemon

Which I might add was the first hegemony won over with close to little cost in human sacrifice and with a lead at the turn of 1945, that no other state in world history could brag about, i might add, the next record set by incompetent US leaders is the fastest evaporation rate of said empire, but I digress

- the next point you are wrong in is that this is a fight about land

Those fights ended in the Great Patriotic war, Russia doesn't need land, it needs a demilitarized border, due to the presence of aggressive states hell bent on the destruction of Russia

Again you can spin it how you want, but your leaders had Russia on the proverbial ropes in 1990 and couldn't finish it off

Then you had a baron robber capitalist system imposed with oligarch control over the economy and you blew that too with your own sanctions-

The last grip you had on the post soviet space is being pried out of the cold stiff hands of your rabid proxies which are being sent to the next life at a rate that makes Vietnam look like child's play

This in 4 months of the special military operation

Fratricide or not, the funniest part of all this, that cannot be rubbed out with your monologuing and diatribes

Is again the premature ejaculation of a bygone empire that disappeared without a bang, but with a literal whimper

I bid you luck again in managing hyperinflation at .5% interest and good luck with the Chinese!

ATLASCUB wrote:Arky boy... the only thing that poster highlights is the incompetence of Russian leadership of the last 60 years... allowing the lives of 20+ million to have been all for nothing.... even till this day. Current leadership is simply clawing for your own land, as the dominant plays proxy and puppet master with a bunch of your own, on your yard. Fratricidal doesn't even begin to cover it. It's a humiliating catastrophe, not something to be proud off. Only spin and propaganda can make it look so, and that is not reality.

Keep crying... and continue to be a fool for the delight of all. Just because you respond, doesn't mean your response lands well. Sort of like Russian moves on the chessboard.

I must remind you that Serbia with Kosovo has an area of ​​88 thousand square kilometers, while without it it is 78 thousand square kilometers. The success of the NATO pact in 78 days of aggression against Serbia; 13 destroyed tanks !
Tell me which of these states the United States really won; Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan ?
Since you are obviously limited and you don't see that goat-fuckers are conquering Europe more and more, precisely because of those "victories" of the USA, then it's not worth writing anything.
And what will the next "strong" NATO pact send to Russia, since it is obvious that they have used up all the stocks of portable anti-tank hand launchers and portable air defense systems ? Will they decide to send 700 tanks, as many as France, Germany and Great Britain have together ?
And if you even think about aviation, I have to warn you and write to you that the western airports would be destroyed just like the Ukrainian ones. The problem with Western planes is that they have to take off from ideally clean runways, which is not the case with the Russian technology that Ukroshitstan inherited.
I am more and more convinced that the West is the one that needs nuclear weapons more than Russia.

The intricacies of the she/he/her/they in a Russian sense do not concern me boy.

Soviet, Russian.. you know well what it's. Playing stupid doesn't make you look smart. Just a try hard for even bigger sheeple.

As for education well... I just gotta laugh. That post history is a display of true brightness indeed... pardon the sarcasm. Clutch that behind like there is no tomorrow. It won't help you.

As for the idiot above, god knows there are reasonable Serbian posters here, won't name them, they know who they're..... The only thing this drone can post is some reactionary butthurt attack on NATO, vietnam flashbacks in a Serbian sense. The lasting trauma is big with this one. Idiot, I'm not NATO, or USA. An off the shelf, generic brand GarryB pressing for tribal attacks... Jesus!

dionis wrote:In case anyone is following the Russian Generals saga...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_generals_killed_during_the_2022_invasion_of_Ukraine

Errr ma gaw, 2 dead bird colonel/brigadier generals and one retired. I think Putin needs to sign the surrender order. Also, what will Adam Kizzinger do? He celebrates 12 dead, but only 2 dead confirmed and 1 retired general confirmed, he's about 9 short. Well too bad for him, but yeah, 2 active duty brigadier general equivelants does not an army destroy. As for the rest of that wikipedia article, its a bottle full of copium that basically says, we've lost 20 percent of our country more or less permanently and the Russians could easily come in and bag up another 20 percent at any time of their choosing but we killed some generals so we're winning.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/06/how-russia-and-putin-are-weaponizing-losing-and-running-out-of-everything.html#more
Nice job putting all this garbage together.

ATLASCUB wrote:The intricacies of the she/he/her/they in a Russian sense do not concern me boy.

Soviet, Russian.. you know well what it's. Playing stupid doesn't make you look smart. Just a try hard for even bigger sheeple.

As for education well... I just gotta laugh. That post history is a display of true brightness indeed... pardon the sarcasm. Clutch that behind like there is no tomorrow. It won't help you.

As for the idiot above, god knows there are reasonable Serbian posters here, won't name them, they know who they're..... The only thing this drone can post is some reactionary butthurt attack on NATO, vietnam flashbacks in a Serbian sense. Idiot, I'm not NATO, or USA. An off the shelf, generic brand GarryB... Jesus!

The intricacies are the entire reason why this is happening in the first place

Again American misunderstanding of geopolitics is exactly why they blew it in only 20 years

I can break it down if you like:

1. The USSR was a ideological , communist aligned bloc with a completely different modus operandi to the post collapse Russian Federation

The USSR was an ideological enemy to the USA, hence why blood and resources were expended in collapsing it, which could go into another void of discussion but I digress let's stay on topic

After collapse, Russian Federation was at the level of Nigeria, Argentina, or Cuba, or find any Latin American country to insert here, of course there were differences , the remains of a developed industry and a nuclear space power existed but the collapse of the state emulated any 3rd world example you wish to use for comparison

There was the ruble crisis of 1998, which precluded inflation, Unemployment , and general chaos of society

There were mafia shootouts, and hostile takeovers of state companies and institutions , and general collapse of society, where a winner take all approach literally happened and oligarchs and henchmen were killing and stealing in a race to see who becomes billionaires

But the fun doesn't end there, there was direct management of this process by the winners of Cold War, or self proclaimed winners and enders of history , good ol USA

Now , if we rewind to 1990 3rd world led by drunk Yeltsin Russia

And we made a bet that in 30 years, Russia would regain the post soviet space, with little blood shed, a solid economy which is leading in PPP terms but nominally remained the size of Korea, and would challenge the world hegemon threatening their Unipolar moment

Judging from the sound of your caustic and smug remarks,

You would have laughed!

Well... look who's laughing now!

Bitch

You're arguing with the wind boy.

I'm not too sure you got the laughing order correctly...  whether it's the Anglo saxons prodding Russians to kill other Russians and watching the mayhem unfold, throwing as much fuel to the fire as they can or the Kremlin's 6D chess masters engaged in "an existential battle", becoming a resource colony of the birthing "Chinese century"...patent pending Taiwan resolution.

Call me when the Britts start their own civil war... maybe I'll join you and laugh at them then. Maybe the USA....  Seems to me they locked Europe tight. You can only envy such level of control, even if it has its detrimental cons.

For the time being... your garbage is just that, garbage.

10 days ago Scott Ritter changed his analysis a bit. The video is the long form.



In short, he says that Russia is killing it in the field, but considering Russia's strategic aims of de-nazification and a neutral Ukraine, taking the Donbass, all of it, and even incorporating it into Russia could still be considered a strategic defeat.

I don't necessarily disagree. Even if Donbass is clear, Ukraine would be more Nazi than before the war considering the only legal party in the country now is the Nazi party led by Zelensky. And its more Nato than before because the west has poured billions of weapons in.

This means its more than likely that Putin and the Duma will be constructing the legalisms for a mobilization and a full attack on Kiev in the coming days. The attack wont be in the coming days but the legalisms to do the attack will be visible. So we have to watch for that.

I don't disagree with Scott on the strategic points. Which is why Russia must mobilize and dissolve the kiev regime.

Anyway what I do disagree with him is the bullshit about the super duper 50 billion in arms and how this is almost the size of Russia's military budget. This is an absolute crock. Its again the non PPP sharade. Russia is not a USD bloc economy so you have to use PPP. You have to. Its not a choice if you want actual data.

Russia's defense budget is 170+ million dollars. Almost the same as the UK, France, Germany and Holland combined. So non PPP numbers actually under state the Russian budget by almost 3 times over. Which is why propagandists love it.

ATLASCUB wrote:You're arguing with the wind boy.

I'm not too sure you got the laughing order correctly...  whether it's the Anglo saxons prodding Russians to kill other Russians and watching the mayhem unfold, throwing as much fuel to the fire as they can or the Kremlin's 6D chess masters engaged in "an existential battle", becoming a resource colony of the birthing "Chinese century"...patent pending Taiwan resolution.

Call me when the Britts start their own civil war... maybe I'll join you and laugh at them then. Maybe the USA....  Seems to me they locked Europe tight. You can only envy such level of control, even if it has its detrimental cons.

For the time being... your garbage is just that, garbage.

You know about the conflict in Ireland and some recent events right ? Russia is a civilization state. So its not comparable. The UK is an over sized city state in comparison

In May 2022, Sinn Féin won 29% of the first-preference votes in the Northern Ireland Assembly election, the highest share of any party. With 27 out of 90 seats, they became the largest party in Stormont for the first time ever.[106] "Today ushers in a new era", O'Neill said shortly before the final results were announced.