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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #17

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    Post  Ispan Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:56 am

    "Every seven seconds a Ukrainian soldier dies"

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/06/02/parte-de-guerra-02-06-2022-cada-siete-segundos-muere-un-soldado-ucraniano/

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jun 03, 2022 1:14 am

    Ispan wrote:"Every seven seconds a Ukrainian soldier dies"

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/06/02/parte-de-guerra-02-06-2022-cada-siete-segundos-muere-un-soldado-ucraniano/


    War Part 06/02/2022 – "Every seven seconds a Ukrainian soldier dies"
    2 June, 2022 Zhukov

    "A Ukrainian soldier dies every seven seconds. Donbass is their mass grave. The Kiev authorities continue to deceive you, promising you a quick victory. The same false promises were heard by Ukrainian soldiers in Volnovakha and Mariupol. Now these cities have come under the control of the Donetsk People's Republic. The Ukrainian troops in the direction of Mariupol were completely defeated and destroyed. Only the soldiers and officers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces who voluntarily laid down their arms and surrendered were saved.",

    - Message issued by loudspeakers intimating the surrender to the Ukrainian soldiers in Avdeyevka

    https://nation-news.ru/23468727-kazhdie_sem_sekund_pogibaet_odin_ukrainskii_soldat_vsu_prizivayut_sdat_sya_na_avdeevskom_napravlenii

    YESTERDAY 01 June

    Summary of Readovka

    https://readovka .news/news/99119

    TODAY 02 June

    13:30

    according to preliminary information, units of the Russian Armed Forces have taken full control of the city.Kamyshevakha north of Popasnaya and approached the western outskirts of Zolotoye. The Ukrainian units were completely removed from the development and went to the surrounding forests.

    The capture of the village Pilipchatino by the assault detachments of the "Wagner PMC" was also confirmed.west of Popasnaya and the APU fortified area located around it.

    The fields around the settlement are mined, which affects the pace of progress towards Klinovo and Pokrovsky.



    Statement of the Russian army

    * Russian missile and artillery forces launched more than 850 attacks on the positions of Ukrainian forces;

    * Russian air defense systems shot down seven Ukrainian drones;

    * Russian fighter jets shot down a Ukrainian Su-25 attack aircraft in the Nikolayev region;

    * Russian aircraft attacked 21 areas of concentration of troops and materiel, including command posts, and attacked with Kraken and Azov nationalist precision missiles in the Kharkiv region; destroyed about 240 Ukrainian nationalists and almost 40 units of materiel

    ▪ more than 20 thousand people, including more than 3 thousand children, have been evacuated from dangerous areas to Russia;

    ▪ The DPR forces hope to bring a group of Ukrainian servicemen in the area of Lisichansk and Severodonetsk to the "cauldron" in a few days, Basurin said



    The militia of the Luhansk Republic

    .During the clashes.(..)during the past day, the enemy suffered losses in personnel and material, namely:
    37 dead
    5 armoured personnel carriers;
    2 pieces of artillery;
    3 various vehicles

    Ukrainian artillery destroyed 70% of residential buildings in Severodonetsk.

    said Lieutenant Colonel Andrey Marochko, spokesman for the LNR

    "The Ukrainian punishers are firing directly at the residential area and the infrastructure of the city. Now there are neither our artillery nor armored vehicles there. Since the beginning of the military operation, the enemy practices scorched earth tactics," he said.

    Statement militia of the Donetsk Republic 10:30 hours

    (...) an enemy breakout attempt was repelled in the area of the Verkhnetoretskoye settlement from the direction of the Rozovka settlement. The skillful actions of the DPR units destroyed 2 T-64 tanks, 2 infantry fighting vehicles and up to 30 men. Two enemy gun emplacements near Krasnogorovka were suppressed with heavy cannonading. The enemy retreated, suffering significant losses.

    We regret to report that over the past day in the struggle for independence, 8 defenders of the Donetsk People's Republic were killed in the line of military duty, and 15 were injured.

    Earlier it was reported that DPR soldiers and the Russian Armed Forces repelled an attack by Ukrainian militants near the village of Sladke, a few kilometers northwest of Dokuchaevsk.



    14:00 The taking of Kamyshevakha is reported, the Zolotoye-Gorskoye bag is closed

    https://topwar.ru/197163-prihodjat-soobschenija-o-vzjatii-nashimi-vojskami-pod-kontrol-pgt-kamyshevaha-k-jugu-ot-lisichanska.html



    14:15 The enemy is preparing a counteroffensive towards Severodonetsk

    https://topwar.ru/197164-vsu-gotovjat-kontrnastuplenie-na-severodoneckom-napravlenii-s-celju-razblokirovki-trassy-na-lisichansk.html

    16:10 Progress in the encirclement of Avdeyevka, says the commander of the battalion "Sparta"

    https://topwar.ru/197174-komandir-batalona-sparta-rasskazal-o-hode-operacii-po-okruzheniju-avdeevki.html

    Three Ukrainian counterattacks on Avdeyevka repulsed this week

    https://topwar.ru/197186-basurin-popytka-vsu-prorvatsja-v-rajone-avdeevki-zavershilas-bolshimi-poterjami.html

    19:15 For lack of coordination, the enemy pumped his own troops southeast of Lisichansk

    https://topwar.ru/197185-poterjavshij-vozmozhnost-k-koordinirovannym-dejstvijam-protivnik-otkryl-druzhestvennyj-ogon-k-jugo-vostoku-ot-lisichanska.html



    20:00 Advances on the Popasnaya-Lisichansk line

    https://topwar.ru/197189-vs-rf-prorvali-oboronu-protivnika-v-rajone-nyrkovo-po-linii-popasnaja-lisichansk.html

    21:15

    Unsuccessful attempt of the enemy to break through in the direction of Lysychansk.

    > Blocked at the Azot plant, Ukrainian soldiers tried to counterattack the allied forces

    >Despite the powerful artillery support from Lisichansk, all these attempts were nullified by our artillery with mass fire.

    > On our part, mortars, howitzers and rocket launchers were used for suppression. They did not give enemy soldiers any chance

    > Ukrainian soldiers in Lisichansk regularly fire on Severodonetsk, from where they fled. They take advantage of the fact that Lisichansk is a dominant height.

    21:45

    Assistant to the head of the Chechen Republic, the commander of the special forces "Akhmat" Apti Alaudinov spoke about the progress in Severodonetsk.

    According to him, the residential area of Severodonetsk is already under our control, and systematic cleaning of the industrial zone is being carried out.

    "When the soldiers of Ukraine fled from Severodonetsk, they crossed to Lisichansk, but under the threat of being shot, they were forced to return to the zone of industrial facilities. Now they have their own backs, and we are advancing from the front.

    Those of us who take prisoners are surprised that we didn't shoot or torture them. They say: if they find out about the other side, they will lay down their weapons and flee, because the conditions are very difficult for them.

    The seizure of the industrial area in Severodonetsk is only a matter of time.»

    22:30 Boris Rozhin

    In Kamyshevakha.
    There is confirmation from the field.
    The village is under our control.
    Only the northernmost outskirts of Kamyshevakha, which are under heavy artillery fire of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and are heavily destroyed, are not cleaned up. The enemy retreated. from Kamyshevakha



    The situation in Severodonetsk

    https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/7653776.html

    Summary of the day - Mikhail Onufrienko 23:00 hours

    Kiev confirmed that in the area of the estuary, the Ukrainian army retreated to the right bank of the Seversky Donets, leaving Ozernoye, Shchurovka, Brusovka and a couple of other very small villages without a fight. In fact, the entire enemy grouping south of Svyatogorsk ceased to exist.

    According to preliminary information, Kamyshevakha was released north of Popasna, which greatly complicates the position of the Ukrainian grouping in Zolotoye.

    Now there are battles for Pilipchatino.

    In addition, our troops entered the village of Novoluganskoe, west of the Svitlodarsk reservoir. Near Kharkov, Kiev troops abandoned a couple of villages located on the highway in the direction of Stary Saltov. That is, the enemy group is also surrounded here.
    All attempts to attack the Kherson region, which Kiev spoke about the day before, were not confirmed. All the "almost 20 villages taken by them" turned out to be fake.

    Summary of the day with maps

    https://riafan.ru/23469617-chto_proizoshlo_na_ukraine_2_iyunya_vzriv_v_berdyanske_obstreli_donetska_so_storoni_vsu



    Offensive in Donbass: the situation in eastern Ukraine by the end of June 2, 2022

    🔻 In the north of the Kharkov Region the Ukrainian Armed Forces were able to transfer forces to Khotomle across the Pecheneg reservoir and prepare an offensive on the Russian positions on the left bank of the Pecheneg reservoir.

    ▪ To the Line of contact in Ukrainian tank units came to Uda, and to Stary Saltov, a huge number of foreign instructors and mercenaries.

    ▪ Russian artillery attacks Ukrainian positions in Shestakovo: several dozen soldiers of the Nazi Kraken battalion were killed and wounded.

    In the direction of Slavyansk The Russian Armed Forces are advancing towards Svyatogorsk from the side of Robyshevo, occupied by Yarovay Street.

    ▪ There is fighting on the outskirts. Svyatogorsk and in the forest area adjacent to the city, as well as the suppression of enemy firing positions on the heights of the western bank of the Seversky Donets.

    ▪ According to local sources, the territorial defense detachments used the monks of the Svyatogorsk Lavra monastery as a "human shield".

    ▪ From the outside units of the Russian Armed Forces are advancing along the western bank of the Zabogorodichnoe River. Establishing control over a locality and a highway in the Sidorovo will lead to the encirclement of the Ukrainian units defending Svyatogorsk and the adjacent heights.

    ▪ Russian units are finishing clearing the forest areas adjacent to the Estuary. Enemy forces in this sector are limited by the threat of Allied forces crossing the Seversky Donets River and advancing on Raigorodok and Eversk.

    🔻 In Vorodonetsk, the Allied forces have established control over most of the city, and the previously occupied areas are being cleared.

    ▪ After an unsuccessful attempt at a counterattack with artillery support from Lysychansk, several hundred Ukrainian soldiers took defensive positions on the territory of the Azot plant.

    🔻 The offensive continues in the direction of Popasna. The units of the Russian Armed Forces completely occupied Kamyshevakha and went to the western outskirts of Zolotoy. Ukrainian units retreated from the development to the surrounding forests.

    ▪ Confirmed information about the occupation of the fortified area in Pilipchatino by assault detachments "Wagner".

    ▪ North of Toshkovka, parts of the DPR People's Militia are fighting for Ustinovka and Mirnuyu Polyanu to get to the southern outskirts of Lisichansk.

    ▪ Violent clashes continue on the Bakhmut — Lisichansk highway: The Armed Forces of Ukraine are moving additional reinforcements to the vital highway and launching artillery strikes on the city of Donetsk.Fighting in Nyrkovo, Belogorovka and Berestovym.

    🔻 In Svitlodarsk The People's Militia of the DPR is trying to evict Ukrainian units from the area of the Uglegorsk thermal power plant. There are also battles for the villagefrom Dolomitnoye to the west of the reservoir.

    🔻 In Avdiivka, the Ukrainian Armed Forces launched an unsuccessful attack and lost several armored vehicles. Clashes continue on the southern and eastern approaches to the city.

    War crimes of Ukraine



    Anniversary of the air strike on civilians in Luhansk in 2014

    Exactly 8 years ago, on June 2, 2014, Kiev committed a cold-blooded murder: a military aircraft attacked the administration building of the Luhansk region. 8 people were killed and 28 injured. The taque had no military significance, it was an act of intimidation. That is, ordinary terror.

    At the same time, the cynical phrase about "the air conditioner blew up" was born. This is how Ukrainian social networks reacted to the death of civilians in Luhansk.

    And no one from the "world community", realized about this crime of the Ukrainian army, they did not want to know anything. Because the Ukrainians were killing Russians. And for Westerners this is normal. They don't care. It's the Russians' fault..

    But the revenge came in 2014 and now again definitively. Tens of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers then rotted in the fields and forests, and today they find the same punishment for their crimes..

    PS: The last video shows the aftermath of this criminal airstrike. It's all very hard

    https://t.me/rlz_the_kraken/50352

    Other reports and news of interest:

    Interview with the legendary war correspondent Aleksandr Kots: describes battles, tactics, impressions of the front…

    https://www.kp.ru/daily/27399/4596563





    Systems for jamming anti-aircraft missiles for the Su-25

    https://topwar.ru/197175-istochnik-soobschil-o-primenenii-na-donbasse-shturmovikov-su-25sm3-s-zaschitoj-ot-inostrannyh-pzrk.html

    Potential of the old modernized T-62 tanks

    Western propaganda has made a lot of noise about Russia running out of tanks and having to take old tanks out of depots, using for this old videos of the transport of modernized T-62s for shipment to Syria.

    The reality is that this model, itself an improved T-54 as a transitional solution, can render valuable services. In fact, some of them fought in the Chechen and Georgian wars. This article explains why:

    https://topwar.ru/197041-t-62-potencial-primenenija-v-specoperacii-z.html



    The problem of air defense

    The problem of Ukrainian air defense is one of the largest that the Russian Armed Forces are facing in principle in this war. First, this is the first time that Russia is engaged in a conflict against an opponent whose air defense is not limited to small-caliber anti-aircraft artillery and MANPADS (five days of Georgia does not count, it is too short to have a serious impact). Secondly, this enemy immediately turned out to be large armed forces with massive air defense, with a complex structure and numerous (albeit obsolete) weapons. Thirdly, because at all times our Air Forces were preparing for war with the enemy in the form of NATO, the main air defense system of which is a fighter, and a multi-layered layered ground asset system is simply absent.

    In the West, during this time, SEAD was invented - Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses, suppression of enemy air defense forces. The concept of SEAD was born in Vietnam, where the US Air Force first had to deal with an enemy with anti-aircraft missile systems, and was further developed during the Middle East conflicts, the wars in Iraq and Yugoslavia. Within the framework of SEAD, they created specialized versions of existing attack aircraft (for example, the F-4G Wild Weasel), reducing them to special forces, for which the suppression of air defense was the main task. They worked by combining fire damage with electronic warfare. The MTR also took part in the work, in particular, in Iraq they took on a significant part of the efforts to destroy the radar station.

    Directly by NATO aviation, SEAD is carried out both from the service position in the air with an immediate attack on the detected targets, and accompanying the strike groups with air defense suppression aircraft, which are entrusted with collective electronic warfare and the fight against enemy air defense, if activated These aircraft carry additional target designation equipment and are equipped with anti-radar missiles, in addition, RER/RTR aircraft of the RC-135 V/W type and the like are engaged in target detection, which makes it possible to form a multi-layered system with redundancy at all stages: general spatial control, target detection, target designation and destruction. With the development of multipurpose fighters, the creation of special Wild Weasel variants has stopped, the tasks are solved with standard F-16C/D, which carry additional equipment and weapons, and are combined into parts that work out the appropriate tactics. Other types of weapons are also involved in SEAD, including guided aerial bombs and missiles with TV/laser guidance systems, cluster munitions that can effectively cover SAM positions, as well as army artillery and multiple launch rocket systems. In recent decades, reconnaissance and attack unmanned aerial vehicles, including bombing ammunition (kamikaze drones), have played an increasing role.

    In our case, the suppression of air defense does not stand out as a separate task for specialized units, it is part of the overall strategy, and as a result, its priority is low in the eyes of combined arms commanders who set tasks for their aviation, artillery and special units. This complicates the task, since insufficient priority does not always allow you to achieve goals in a timely manner, even if there is a real goal designation. A separate problem is the shortage of Moderna "large" RER/RTR aircraft and attack drones. All this together slows down the fight against air defense, reduces its effectiveness and increases the risk to aviation in the course of performing basic tasks. A separate problem is the indifference of the combined arms command to a task that does not concern them directly - the risks of the Vks and their probable losses are the problem of the VKS. "No one seriously thinks even about the increased composition of forces and means. Until the Buk starts shooting at the tanks, they won't give a shit about the crews, but the results will be required" – (c) user opinion of a combat aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

    But even with the current set of domestic weapons and equipment, the effectiveness of the fight against air defense can be increased by defining the task of suppressing air defense as a priority and forming a strategy for combating it, including the assignment of specialized aviation units, MTR groups and artillery/missile units of the ground forces.

    "kramnikat"

    Video

    https://t.me/RtrDonetsk/6395

    152-mm D-20 guns of the People's Militia of the DPR destroy the nationalist fortified area in front of the city of Uglegorsk.

    Having broken through the fortifications and liberated this city, the bridgehead of the entrance from the flank to Marinka opens, from which Donetsk is shelled daily.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jun 03, 2022 1:16 am

    More SP howitzers, these from Slovakia

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    Zuzana 2 howitzers officially confirmed for Ukraine. First batch 8 pieces plus ammunition. Max. range of fire +41 km when using ERFB-BB shells / > 50 km with VLAP Ammunition, Multiple Round Simultaneous Impact capability.


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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jun 03, 2022 1:22 am

    The theft of old Soviet posters is showing shear PR desperation, they even kept the same face and right hand etc Laughing

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    Meanwhile...build more prison camps

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    "The number of prisoners of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has exceeded the mark of 12,000 soldiers and officers ...
    8,000 of them are kept in the DPR
    more than 4000 in the Russian Federation, mostly officers and women ..."

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    Post  kvs Fri Jun 03, 2022 1:48 am

    The frenzied, but useless, supply of heavy weapons to Ukria will be a nice pretext for Russia to do the same in the future. Let
    NATzO bleat about Russia arming this or that group. No more accommodation to western clowns and no more playing by their
    self-serving rules.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jun 03, 2022 2:00 am

    Best school bus ever??

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    Post  George1 Fri Jun 03, 2022 2:38 am

    Ιy seems west countries proceed with MRLSs to ukarine

    UK and Germany with M270
    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4535093.html

    USA with HIMARS
    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4534802.html

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    Post  Krepost Fri Jun 03, 2022 2:59 am

    The Ukrainian Border Guard ship BG-32 Donbass that was sunk in Mariupol harbor has been raised and brought to Novorossysk port.
    On the right side of the photo, there are other smaller ex-Ukrainian boats as well.

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    Dmitri Medvedev: "The rider of the Apocalypse are already on the go"
    © Readovka.ru

    The sting of Libya sits deeply ...

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    Post  thegopnik Fri Jun 03, 2022 3:23 am

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    Imagine having to rape this many women.
    2 million women raped by a 150k invasion force.
    Every soldier had to rape 14 women, one of which impregnated. BBC fired the female reporter writing the rape fan fiction

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    Post  franco Fri Jun 03, 2022 3:50 am

    Remember a while back posting in a discussion on how to increase the Russian population russia was through use of Ukrainian concubines thumbsup
    How was I to know that they would take me so literally Embarassed

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Jun 03, 2022 4:59 am

    thegopnik wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #17 - Page 31 16542110

    Imagine having to rape this many women.
    2 million women raped by a 150k invasion force.
    Every soldier had to rape 14 women, one of which impregnated. BBC fired the female reporter writing the rape fan fiction

    damn those horney Ruskies ! 70-90k on territory of former Ukraine and 2.000.000,0 rapes? 100 per soldier!  damn dunno what they eat but I want the same please!!!

    BTW


    Ukro (ex) ombudsman was fired for fakes about Russian soldiers' underage rapes....





    franco wrote:Remember a while back posting in a discussion on how to increase the Russian population russia  was through use of Ukrainian concubines thumbsup
    How was I to know that they would take me so literally Embarassed  

    blame auto-translators lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jun 03, 2022 5:15 am

    thegopnik wrote:https://servimg.com/view/20108130/150
    Imagine having to rape this many women.
    2 million women raped by a 150k invasion force.
    Every soldier had to rape 14 women, one of which impregnated. BBC fired the female reporter writing the rape fan fiction

    Ain't nowhere near enough Viagra and Red Bull on this planet for something like that pwnd



    Reminds me of how Serbs supposedly raped like 400.000 Bosnian women back in the 90s, like bruh have you looked at that number?

    My mom's​ reaction is legendary: "At this rate useless Serb men will go down in history as playas" lol1


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    Post  mnztr Fri Jun 03, 2022 5:49 am

    Ispan wrote:"Every seven seconds a Ukrainian soldier dies"

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/06/02/parte-de-guerra-02-06-2022-cada-siete-segundos-muere-un-soldado-ucraniano/

    Dunno why they have to take propaganda so far it becomes BS. That would be 12000 a day and I doubt that is true. If it was Ukraine would have already have surrendered.
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    Man, with everything she has done so far, I am starting to wonder if Ursula von der Leyen is secretly an employee of Rosneft  Russian special military operation in Ukraine #17 - Page 31 1f602


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    Post  lyle6 Fri Jun 03, 2022 6:11 am

    Ispan wrote:"Every seven seconds a Ukrainian soldier dies"

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/06/02/parte-de-guerra-02-06-2022-cada-siete-segundos-muere-un-soldado-ucraniano/
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    thegopnik wrote:
    Imagine having to rape this many women.
    2 million women raped by a 150k invasion force.
    Every soldier had to rape 14 women, one of which impregnated. BBC fired the female reporter writing the rape fan fiction
    The Russian ubermenschen soldat:
    >Invades with no supplies - sustains himself on the field entirely with rapine pillaging
    >Invades with no leaders, all of them got heart attacks or cancer
    >Invades with no battle plans - only driven by insatiable lust for hohol blood
    >face tanks hohol fires, richocheting them back using the strength of their chad jawlines
    >can hammer out a Kalibr from a washing machine - sends his ghanima back home because he's a family guy like that
    >Has dozens of bastards by hohol women

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Jun 03, 2022 7:42 am

    thegopnik wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #17 - Page 31 Ukrain10

    What laughter

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    Post  limb Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:11 am

    Ive been hearing from Russian telegram channels who have contacts with troops in the infantry  of the DLNR and Russian army that  it takes quite a long time for Russian artillerymen to create a firing solution and actually fire after being given footage and coordinate of ukrainian infantry or artillery. There are claims that sometimes it takes up to 20-30 minutes for russian artillery to fire after artillery obse3rvers spot ukrainian troops. Its not discussed wether this applies to SPGs or towed artillery

    This seems a bit plausble, because In videos on telegram of russian artillerymen firing, it takes like 2 minutes for the commander to stop scribbling on his notebook and start commanding the loading and firing of the gun.

    And the commanding is very slow. Heres thge gist of the commands:

    :gun is ready
    :azimuth 30 degrees
    :azimuth 67 degrees
    :gun is ready
    :I confirm that gun is ready
    :Awaiting allowance for firing
    :Allowance confirmed
    :Awaiting allowance to fire fragmentation shell 3/4ths charge
    :Confirmed allowance to fire fragmentation shell, 3/4ths charge
    :Load shell
    :Shell is loading
    :confirmed that shell has been loaded, awaiting allowance to fire
    :allowance to fire has been given
    :fire
    :gun has ejected shell
    :confirmed that gun has ejected shell
    :standing by
    :confirm that gun is ready
    :confirmed that gun is ready
    ..... and on and on  and on...
    Why do russian artillerymen have these inane formalities?
    Why do russian artillerymen use notebooks and flags to coordinate and  create firing solutions? This isnt 1942. Everying should be done within a minute to 30 seconds on a computer. Coordinates and firing solution should be calculated within a few nanoseconds after a spotter takes a picture of the enemy from a drone, and artillerymen should just aim the gun according to specifications, and fire immediately.


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    Post  lancelot Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:35 am

    It probably depends on which systems you are talking about. Not all Russian self propelled artillery has been digitized. And most of the towed artillery has not been digitized either. And if the spotting data comes from a commercial drone there is little chance it is integrated with the existing kill chain.
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    Post  limb Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:44 am

    lancelot wrote:It probably depends on which systems you are talking about. Not all Russian self propelled artillery has been digitized. And most of the towed artillery has not been digitized either. And if the spotting data comes from a commercial drone there is little chance it is integrated with the existing kill chain.

    I see these formalities when russian artillerymen are using MSTA-B, Giatsints, or Malkas. Its unaccesptable that these guns don't even have a rudimentary fire control system. In 2022, and artilleryman should just wait for coordinates, feed them in an analog or 1980s tech digital computer which then automatically moves the barrel, load the gun and fire.

    Scribbling complex math on a piece of paper while  the enemy is highly mobile and the infantry is in danger is world war 2 bullshit. Its also the responsibility of the artillery observer and GLONASS to give the exact coordinates. If glonass is ineffective for giving artillery coordinates, then the russian artillery is obsolete garbage.
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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jun 03, 2022 9:04 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Wow, so if you stomp their balls after arrival they stop coming?
    Damn, Russia is discovering some fundamental new cosmic truths here...  study

    Hardly "discovering".
    Hitting the mercs is a visible priority from the very beginning.
    A lot of effort was put into that, in both technical and propaganda spheres.
    The only thing that we may call "discovered" is a fact of low quality of the merc material.
    And what I find particularly interesting, is the fact that we are not talking about the Reddit/Twitter warriors only.
    A big number of war vets joined the Ukro ranks, and I mean it.
    Just watch the testimonies they are giving generously in the western shitstream media.
    Folks who were battle hardened in Iraq or Afghanistan are scared like little girls.
    They really are saying the shit like "the Russkies shoot at us!" or "the artillery was shelling!" or "they were very brutal toward us!".
    No shit, they really brutally shelled you and shoot at you?
    Oh, poor Winnie the Pooh!
    How dare they!
    And yeah, that part might be considered a discovery, but only as long as one forgets the previous lessons.
    The NATO standard training hasn't stood a minute when confronted with the Russkies. That was clear after 080808 already, started to be visible in 2014-2015, and became obvious now.
    That is kind of shock, but the reaction is kinda standard. They are unleashing a propaganda campaign to cover that. And this is what makes the difference.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Jun 03, 2022 9:57 am

    TASS; Jun 3, 02:34

    Source: for the first time, the largest grouping of the Russian Navy, consisting of 12 BDKs (large landing ships) , operates in the Black Sea

    The interlocutor of TASS specified that the detachment of ships of the Northern Fleet includes large landing craft "Pyotr Morgunov", "Olenegorskiy Gornyak" and "George Pobedonosets"


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    MOSCOW, 3 June. /TASS/. The grouping of landing forces of the Navy (Navy) of the Russian Federation, consisting of six large landing ships (BDK) of the Northern and Baltic Fleets, as well as six BDK of the Black Sea Fleet, is ready to perform tasks for its intended purpose in the Black Sea. This was reported to TASS on Friday in the power structures of the Crimea. "For the first time, such a large grouping of the Russian Navy operates in the Black Sea, which consists of twelve large landing ships of the Northern, Baltic and Black Sea fleets. These BDKs are now ready to perform their intended tasks as part of a special military operation," the agency's interlocutor said.

    He clarified that the detachment of ships of the Northern Fleet includes large landing craft "Pyotr Morgunov", "Olenegorskiy Gornyak" and "George the Pobedonosets". The Baltic Fleet is represented by large landing craft "Korolev", "Minsk" and "Kaliningrad". As part of the Black Sea detachment of large landing ships "Caesar Kunikov", "Novocherkassk", "Azov", "Yamal", "Orsk" and "Nikolai Filchenkov".

    TASS has no official information on this matter.

    Earlier, the press service of the Black Sea Fleet reported that on February 10, six large landing craft as part of the detachments of the Northern and Baltic fleets, having completed the passage around Europe, entered the Black Sea. During the joint exercises, the ships worked out the tasks of defending the coast of the Crimean peninsula and the bases of the fleet.

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    Post  Hinex1988 Fri Jun 03, 2022 11:53 am

    ⚡Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

    💥High-precision air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces have hit 21 areas of concentration of AFU manpower and military equipment during the day.

    ✈💥Operational-tactical, army and unmanned aviation have hit 37 areas of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment concentration.

    ▫The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 360 nationalists and 49 weapons and military equipment including 1 detection and airspace control radar station in Slavyansk, Donetsk People's Republic.

    ▫Also 13 Ukrainian tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, 1 Osa-AKM anti-aircraft missile system have been destroyed near Bakhmut, as well as 2 mortar batteries, 2 Grad multiple rocket launchers, 8 artillery mounts, 26 special vehicles, and 4 missile and artillery weapon depots near Soledar, Dzerzhinsk, Yakovlevka and Bakhmut.

    💥Russian air defence means have shot down 3 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Ryasnaya, Krutaya Balka, Donetsk People's Republic and Dmitrovka, Kharkov Region overnight. 3 Uragan multiple-launch rockets have been also intercepted over Petropolie, Kamenka, Kharkov Region, and Novoselovka Vtoraya, Donetsk People's Republic.

    💥Missile troops and artillery have hit 26 command posts, 122 AFU artillery and mortar batteries at firing positions, 537 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration, as well as 5 ammunition depots. 1 AFU unmanned aerial vehicle control post near Pervomaiskoe in Nikolaev Region has been destroyed.

    📊In total, 186 Ukrainian aircraft and 129 helicopters, 1,087 unmanned aerial vehicles, 328 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,386 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 462 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,760 field artillery and mortars, as well as 3,376 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

    ▫Against the backdrop of Kiev's political catastrophe in Mariupol and military failures in Donbass, the Kiev regime, with British financial support, has organised the production of "morale raise" videos for Western and Ukrainian audiences.

    ▫In particular, on May 28, staged video was filmed near Meshkovka, Nikolaev Region, of the alleged "high efficiency" of the use of Western weaponry by Ukrainian nationalists.

    ▫To add more drama to the future film, at the insistence of British supervisors, a re-enactment of never-existing battle between Ukrainian Nazis and outnumbered "Russian soldiers" was created on the set.

    ▫The roles of "opponents" of the Ukrainian Nazis in the staged short film were performed by members of the local territorial defence unit wearing red armbands.

    ▫In the absence of trophy Russian equipment, the mock enemy appears in the frame using Ukrainian APCs and armoured vehicles.

    ▫The next video shoot is scheduled for June 5 and 6. The videos will focus on staged testimonies of "ordinary Ukrainians" accusing Russia of allegedly deliberately shelling civilian populated areas.

    #MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jun 03, 2022 12:00 pm

    IRIS-T has higher ECM-resistance and flare suppression and also higher target discrimination abilities.

    Sensitive seekers are more vulnerable to laser dazzlers as used in DIRCMS... not less vulnerable.

    To improve the probability of a direct hit, the missile is equipped with an active radar proximity sensor.

    Excellent news... the radar jammer on the Russian helicopters would detect that and jam it so the immediate effect would be premature detonation of the warhead.

    There is a reason the R-73EL uses a laser fuse...

    Ka-52s have been shot down by 90s era IGLA-S.

    When?

    The only image I have seen of a shot down Ka-52 crash landed, which means what ever hit it didn't hit it at all and only damage brought the aircraft down...

    You do know there is no such thing has a 90's era IGLA-S right....that system debuted in 04 and every single chopper in the world can be targetted by a MANPAD.

    There is no such thing as an aircraft that is invincible, but optically guided missiles can be defeated by DIRCMS as fitted to the Hokum... the greatest threats to the Hokum in the Ukraine at the moment would be Starstreak and those Ukrainian anti tank missiles. Even Javelin would be defeated by DIRCMS...

    BTW more posts are going to disappear to alternative threads shortly.


    I will need to see how many troops they actually trap, people here stated colossal numbers if it's just something like 10k that's rather sad

    If they only have 10K left that would be hilarious, but they have not had mass evacuations from the area and we know there were enormous numbers there at one time so that would mean their casualties are high or they are eating each other.... either of which is fine by me.

    This pretty much a modification of the BMP-2 that was offered for export some time ago >>

    Interesting to see them as in the field add on kits though.

    Now these Iron bars , allow detonation of ATGW , are hard and are quite close to body of APC .

    One of the kill mechanisms of cage armour is that if an RPG rocket hits a bar head on with its nose fuse that puts the metal and then an empty space between the warhead and the armour of the vehicle which it then needs to penetrate so penetration is reduced slightly. If the RPG nose is offset slightly and goes between the bars then the rocket will be stopped by being jammed between the bars and the fuse will not make contact with the vehicle and the crushed nose of the RPG would short out the fuse which is an electric fuse essentially dudding the round... which is the other kill mechanism.

    I think the only extra modification cage armour needs is optimising it for external carriage of equipment and gear to make it nice and practical.

    Using soft fibres is interesting and how some special armours work, but if high speed impact of the nose of the incoming threat sets off the nose fuse then capturing the missile or rocket wont help... it will just hold it in a standoff position for the HEAT warhead to do its thing.

    Very early RPG-7s actually penetrate better with some types of cage armour because the extra standoff distance allows the plasma beam to form properly, where a direct contact with the armour means exploding too close and having an illformed penetrator penetrating less armour.

    My my that's not the massive amount of forces the experts here claimed,

    Just one of the pockets...

    Through blind luck and colossal stupidity Russians somehow stumbled upon the perfect solution to all their problems and are now implementing it

    Like we say here in Serbia: ''God protects the dumbasses''

    I so often agree with what you say and then you say something stupid like this.

    The Russians are idiots and only worked out their current plans of operations... maybe it was on the back of a cereal packet they used for breakfast one morning.

    They were given a job to do and they adopted tactics and used forces suited to those tactics... after some initial experiences they changed tactics... tactics they might have used from the start if the political priorities were different, but they didn't just pull them from their asses... the results of the first few weeks made them change their tactics to something different which as we have seen has been very successful but you claim it was luck.

    Right. Rolling Eyes


    Nakasone previously said his agency deployed a “hunt forward” team in December to help Ukraine shore up its cyber defenses and networks against active threats. But his latest remarks appear to be the first time that a U.S. official said publicly that the U.S. has been involved in offensive cyber operations in response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

    Even admitting they were lying they continue the lie... by my estimation someone doing something in December the year before in response to something someone is going to do at the end of February the following years is not a response at all...

    Or was the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour on December 7th 1941 a response to the US nuclear weapon attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

    Western.... full of shit since always...

    Ukraine is going to get so much artillery that they will run out of gun crews.

    At the same time most likely....

    BTW Hahahaha... Poland is giving Kiev Crabs...

    They can just use them against Crimea.

    The US and Kiev would claim that technically they don't agree that the Crimea is part of Russia so that would be OK, and US lawyers would say it was a grey area so they could get away with that in an international court where they own the judge, but Russia will treat that as an attack on Russia and respond in kind... perhaps missiles launched at Brussels or the US maybe.

    The theft of old Soviet posters is showing shear PR desperation, they even kept the same face and right hand etc

    The hilarious thing is that it shows the Ukrainian character rejecting communism (Russia) and Alphabet people (the west)... that is a serious change... a lot of Ukraine supporters in the west wont like that poster at all... the Orcs are supposed to be fighting against communism and for the sexual deviants of the corrupt west... that is where the alphabet people were created and nurtured.

    Ιy seems west countries proceed with MRLSs to ukarine

    They are so keen to see Orcs die in the field...

    Maybe the real fear is that when Russia wins the nazis in the Ukraine are going to flood into Europe the way ISIS did when they got defeated in Syria and so sending weapons to get them killed in situ is their way of delaying and reducing the size of the problem.

    Why do russian artillerymen have these inane formalities?

    Because if they didn't follow standard loading and aiming procedure then they could be firing anywhere or not at all if no one loaded a round.

    Not all artillery fire needs to happen instantly... all the fast reacting stuff will be used for counter battery or surprise targets of opportunity... which means the other artillery is used for fire support where fire is better to be accurate than urgent.

    Interesting that the Orcs have not been complaining that the Russian artillery takes too long...

    It probably depends on which systems you are talking about. Not all Russian self propelled artillery has been digitized. And most of the towed artillery has not been digitized either. And if the spotting data comes from a commercial drone there is little chance it is integrated with the existing kill chain.

    Not to mention there needs to be checks and confirmation too... I am sure the Orcs would love Russian artillery to be on a hair trigger shooting at everything and everyone.

    Some targets require specific ammo types too.

    I see these formalities when russian artillerymen are using MSTA-B, Giatsints, or Malkas. Its unaccesptable that these guns don't even have a rudimentary fire control system. In 2022, and artilleryman should just wait for coordinates, feed them in an analog or 1980s tech digital computer which then automatically moves the barrel, load the gun and fire.

    The current 2S3M and 2S1M and MSTA-M models receive data and don't need to line up in lines to fire and are rather more automated, and Coalition is even better, but what they are currently using seems to be good enough...

    the enemy is highly mobile and the infantry is in danger is world war 2 bullshit.

    Suggesting the Orcs are highly mobile is the bullshit here... if they have vehicles most of the time they are civilian vehicles that small arms would shred...

    Its also the responsibility of the artillery observer and GLONASS to give the exact coordinates. If glonass is ineffective for giving artillery coordinates, then the russian artillery is obsolete garbage.

    The precise coordinates of the target are only a part of the equation... you have to determine the direction and distance to the target from the position of each gun and from that calculate a propellent charge needed for that distance as well as the Azimuth and elevation needed to achieve a hit for each gun in the battery... get the gun teams to prepare the correct type of ammo and set the fuses correctly for the type of target being engaged.

    A big number of war vets joined the Ukro ranks, and I mean it.
    Just watch the testimonies they are giving generously in the western shitstream media.
    Folks who were battle hardened in Iraq or Afghanistan are scared like little girls.
    They really are saying the shit like "the Russkies shoot at us!" or "the artillery was shelling!" or "they were very brutal toward us!".
    No shit, they really brutally shelled you and shoot at you?
    Oh, poor Winnie the Pooh!
    How dare they!

    Yeah, it is not the game they are used to playing... they are normally the colonial marines with air strikes and artillery on call 24/7 against an enemy that does not do the basics let alone can bring the fight to you.

    They all talk about western snipers going in there and cleaning up but no one mentions the likely large Russian sniper contingent... the naval infantry and the VDV and the Spetsnaz will each have their own specialist sniper teams and I don't mean Platoon soldiers given an SVD instead of an AK.

    The videos will focus on staged testimonies of "ordinary Ukrainians" accusing Russia of allegedly deliberately shelling civilian populated areas.

    Considering both sides use the same calibres how would an ordinary Orc know the difference between Russian and Orc shelling?

    Hilarious....

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