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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #17

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Jun 02, 2022 8:43 pm

    Mir wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:I will need to see how many troops they actually trap, people here stated colossal numbers if it's just something like 10k that's rather sad

    It won't be a big pocket. Between Lisichansk, SeveroDonetsk and Gorskoe estimated number of deployed troops are btw 15-20k.

    My my that's not the massive amount of forces the experts here claimed,

    Probably because thousands of them have been killed already?

    How many has died remains unclear, you have people giving numbers but there s no way to confirm anything that sat
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    Post  Mir Thu Jun 02, 2022 8:54 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    How many has died remains unclear, you have people giving numbers but there s no way to confirm anything that sat

    The propaganda is quite something else but I must say it is quite clear that RF casualties are quite low at this point and the Ukrs are the one's in the grinding machine. It's a massacre but if you believe otherwise you are delusional.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jun 02, 2022 8:59 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Mir wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:I will need to see how many troops they actually trap, people here stated colossal numbers if it's just something like 10k that's rather sad
    It won't be a big pocket. Between Lisichansk, SeveroDonetsk and Gorskoe estimated number of deployed troops are btw 15-20k.
    My my that's not the massive amount of forces the experts here claimed,
    Probably because thousands of them have been killed already?
    How many has died remains unclear, you have people giving numbers but there s no way to confirm anything that sat

    How many have died is uncertain only to you, and the other folks that speak no Russian.
    You are teased with bullshit 24/7.
    Russian net is literally FULL of death Ukrs.
    Not dozens or hundreds, but thousands.
    There are drone footages where you can count dozens of bodies in just one row.
    Buildings are full of corpses.
    Fields are full of them.
    A fuckin' dead fridge trucks full of corpses that are disposing already.
    Russkies are taking them out of the bushes just for sanitary reasons.
    And burry them all'
    You can watch dozens of films, with dozens of bodies, each week.
    And that is only what was recorded!
    Still, it is not enough, obviously.
    There are some 5-6 mln Ukrs left for slaughter.
    "Ukrainians didn't surrender at Azovstal, they forced the Russians to take them captive!"
    It is a real topic on a page of an Italian newspaper, one of the known ones.
    It is funny only as long as we see no dead lads behind that.

    Edit : just for the records, Mir is not my alter ego Laughing Laughing Laughing lol!


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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Jun 02, 2022 9:01 pm

    Mir wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:I will need to see how many troops they actually trap, people here stated colossal numbers if it's just something like 10k that's rather sad

    It won't be a big pocket. Between Lisichansk, SeveroDonetsk and Gorskoe estimated number of deployed troops are btw 15-20k.

    My my that's not the massive amount of forces the experts here claimed,

    Probably because thousands of them have been killed already?
    Claimed big numbers would be if they would close whole Donbas grouping in big pocket. They don't have enough soldiers deployed for that.

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    That would be a claimed big pocket with 70-100k in it.

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    Post  walle83 Thu Jun 02, 2022 9:10 pm

    Sweden sends another 5000 anti-tank AT4 weapons to Ukraine.
    In total Sweden has supported Ukraine with 15.000 AT4s now.
    This time the shipment also includes anti-ship missiles, the Robot 17 (Hellfire missiles).

    https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/tredje-stodpaket-till-ukraina-vantas-0150-regeringen-haller-presskonferens
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jun 02, 2022 9:20 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:...You know very well that Russians are like us Serbs, so they quickly forget all the evils that were done to them...

    Tough titty, they will have to learn to remember if they want to get out of this in one piece

    Good Lord Darwin has no patience for idiots

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jun 02, 2022 9:28 pm

    Hinex1988 wrote:
    ❗We note that the inflow of foreign mercenaries to Ukraine to take part in combat operations against the Russian Armed Forces has virtually dried up since the beginning of May.

    ▫According to the data at our disposal, the total number of foreign mercenaries in Ukraine has now been almost halved from 6,600 to 3,500. At the same time, the number of mercenaries in combat units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and National Guard in Donbass has decreased by orders of magnitude.

    ▫Hundreds of foreign mercenaries in Ukraine were eliminated by Russian long-range precision weapons shortly after their arrival while they were still undergoing pre-training and coordination of tactical units.

    #MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
    @mod_russia_en

    Wow, so if you stomp their balls after arrival they stop coming?

    Damn, Russia is discovering some fundamental new cosmic truths here...  study


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    Post  Backman Thu Jun 02, 2022 9:38 pm

    The go-to take from Ukraine supporters in the west is that the Ukrainians are fighting to defend their country.

    The irony here is that by fighting like this , they are dissolving the country. If they all surrendered in the first week like they should have , Russia would actually have to deal with a unitary state called Ukraine. And the country would continue to exist in some form.

    The longer this goes on, the less of Ukraine will exist. To the point where it might not exist at all.

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    Post  Scorpius Thu Jun 02, 2022 9:41 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:

    Tough titty, they will have to learn to remember if they want to get out of this in one piece

    Good Lord Darwin has no patience for idiots


    You can recall the fate of everyone who has ever threatened Russia militarily. By the way, where are they?

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    Post  Isos Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:00 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    How many has died remains unclear, you have people giving numbers but there s no way to confirm anything that sat

    Zelensky confirmed 100 kills and 500 wounded per day. They also surrender in mass, everyday a new video of ukrainian soldiers saying they won't fight anymore because they are left alone with no support and their bosses just leave the front.

    Zelensky and its MoD are for sure not even aware of half of what's going on on the front.

    Ukrainian losses are huge. Russians are on the defensive on all the front and it's the ukrainian who attack with a total disadvantage.

    There should be very few remaining profesionnal soldiers.

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:02 pm

    flamming_python wrote:That feeling when the Russia-Ukraine threads get taken over by genocidal Serb monarchists...

    Not monarchist, like not even the ballpark

    I was about to ask what's with you and monarchy but then I remembered who I'm talking to... pwnd

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    Post  Werewolf Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:12 pm

    RTN wrote:
    IRIS-T has higher ECM-resistance and flare suppression and also higher target discrimination abilities. To improve the probability of a direct hit, the missile is equipped with an active radar proximity sensor.

    Ka-52s have been shot down by 90s era IGLA-S.

    The Ka-52 like all helicopters involved in the storm of Gostomel have been subject to massive attacked from MANPADS. The Ka-52 Pilot that was hit by an IGLA and managed to land 1-2km away from the front told, that Vitebsk L-370 defence suite worked remarkably well and was defeating over 15 MANPADS launched at his Helicopter. You can always defeat any soft kill defense system by flooding it with enough ammunition.

    The issue for UA is they have no launcher for the IRIS-T.

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    Post  Hole Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:18 pm

    Isos wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    How many has died remains unclear, you have people giving numbers but there s no way to confirm anything that sat

    Zelensky confirmed 100 kills and 500 wounded per day. They also surrender in mass, everyday a new video of ukrainian soldiers saying they won't fight anymore because they are left alone with no support and their bosses just leave the front.

    Zelensky and its MoD are for sure not even aware of half of what's going on on the front.

    Ukrainian losses are huge. Russians are on the defensive on all the front and it's the ukrainian who attack with a total disadvantage.

    There should be very few remaining profesionnal soldiers.

    You switched Russians and Ukrainians in your last sentence. Russia is attacking on all the front and the Banderites are hanging in the robes.

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    Post  Hole Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:19 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    RTN wrote:
    IRIS-T has higher ECM-resistance and flare suppression and also higher target discrimination abilities. To improve the probability of a direct hit, the missile is equipped with an active radar proximity sensor.

    Ka-52s have been shot down by 90s era IGLA-S.

    The Ka-52 like all helicopters involved in the storm of Gostomel have been subject to massive attacked from MANPADS. The Ka-52 Pilot that was hit by an IGLA and managed to land 1-2km away from the front told, that Vitebsk L-370 defence suite worked remarkably well and was defeating over 15 MANPADS launched at his Helicopter. You can always defeat any soft kill defense system by flooding it with enough ammunition.

    The issue for UA is they have no launcher for the IRIS-T.

    Really funny how tech from the 60´s (radar proximity sensors) are turning into high-tech as long as it´s a western weapon system.

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    Post  Hole Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:22 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    That would be a claimed big pocket with 70-100k in it.

    And this big pocket had to be broken down into smaller pockets to destroy the enemy. Better to create one small pocket after the other, finish them up and then go ahead.

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    Post  Kiko Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:44 pm

    The case of the Russian oil embargo from the EU is equivalent to the snake eating its own tail.

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:54 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Personally, if I was a russian general I'd be wishing Ukraine used the himmers on major cities, why? because that might actually make Putin treat this as a real war.

    Couple of months ago I would have agreed with you but time has proven current concept to be far more beneficial in the long run

    Through blind luck and colossal stupidity Russians somehow stumbled upon the perfect solution to all their problems and are now implementing it

    Like we say here in Serbia: ''God protects the dumbasses''

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    Post  11E Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:00 pm

    crod wrote:
    I’ve noticed in a few videos from this conflict that the Ukraine appears to have a heck of amount of asbestos roofing on sheds and homes etc. Consequently with ordnance damage coupled with mechanised units throwing up dust etc, what protection or advice is being provided to servicemen in the field? Would be and awful shame for some of these young men to develop chronic lung disease from the inhalation from such contaminated dust in 20 years time.

    Other than, for example, my country (the Netherlands) asbestos roofplates are still wide spread and when not in use used a walls for a chicken coop or something else. During my Bosnia time the farmer next to our FOB was cutting/sawing asbestos plates without protection. We attended him about the dangers of pulverised asbestos but he just laughed it off and told us not to worry, it was just a little and not that dangerous according to him. Netherlands and Germany have different asbestos rules. We were not allowed to go in Altmark on the terrain of the old Russian barracks due to asbestos but the Germans used the barracks for house clearing training. Now they use the big new training village BTW.

    Maybe it is that people in other parts of the world have bigger problems to worry than the incidental exposure to asbestos. Maybe it is dangerous when you work every day with it like in the old days with asbestos car brakes which were cleaned by compressed air without protection.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:10 pm

    11E wrote: Maybe it is dangerous when you work every day with it like in the old days with asbestos car brakes which were cleaned by compressed air without protection.

    Sincereley,
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    Or blow the dust out of your own car's brake drums with lung power Laughing

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:15 pm

    And they admit it Shocked Shocked Shocked

    US Engaged In "Offensive" Cyber Ops Against Russia In Ukraine: NSA Director
    Thursday, Jun 02, 2022 - 01:50 PM

    The US military has issued a stunning but perhaps not entirely unexpected admission that it has been conducting offensive cyber operations in support of Ukraine. It marks the first ever such acknowledgement, and suggests - as many observers have long suspected - a deeper Pentagon and US intelligence role in Ukraine against the Russian military than previously thought.

    National Security Agency (NSA) and US Cyber Command Director Gen. Paul Nakasone told the UK's Sky News on Wednesday, "We’ve conducted a series of operations across the full spectrum: offensive, defensive, [and] information operations." This includes "offensive hacking operations" he said.

    Without offering specific details, he continued, "My job is to provide a series of options to the secretary of Defense and the president, and so that’s what I do." Importantly, Gen. Nakasone gave the interview from allied Baltic country Estonia, from which other supporting operations including weapons transfers for Ukraine have come.

    He spoke of major attempts of the Russians to launch infrastructurally devastating cyberattacks on Ukraine, saying, "And we've seen this with regards to the attack on their satellite systems, wiper attacks that have been ongoing, disruptive attacks against their government processes."

    "This is kind of the piece that I think sometimes is missed by the public. It isn't like they haven't been very busy, they have been incredibly busy. And I think, you know, their resilience is perhaps the story that is most intriguing to all of us," he said, describing the Ukrainian response.

    As for support the US has given Ukraine in the lead-up to the Russian invasion, the NSA director referenced the following:

    Nakasone previously said his agency deployed a “hunt forward” team in December to help Ukraine shore up its cyber defenses and networks against active threats. But his latest remarks appear to be the first time that a U.S. official said publicly that the U.S. has been involved in offensive cyber operations in response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

    And like any powerful deep state insider of the intelligence community, he referenced alleged Kremlin attempts to influence US elections. "We had an opportunity to start talking about what particularly the Russians were trying to do in our midterm elections. We saw it again in 2020, as we talked about what the Russians and Iranians were going to do, but this was on a smaller scale."

    "The ability for us to share that information, being able to ensure it's accurate and it's timely and it's actionable on a broader scale has been very, very powerful in this crisis," he added in the interview.

    Despite the whole Russian military and intelligence machine being currently entrenched and busy executing the over 3-month war in Ukraine, the American public is further being told Moscow is now eyeing 'interference' in the upcoming midterms next Fall.

    According to The Hill: "Experts have warned that Russia will likely deploy its cyber operations in the 2022 midterm elections, which may take different forms, including disinformation campaigns and election hacking. The experts also said that Russia’s playbook is to divide the U.S. along party lines and suppress voter turnout." However, it's laughable to think that somehow it takes a foreign actor to "divide" the US "along party lines" - as if this is some new phenomenon.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-engaged-offensive-cyber-ops-against-russia-ukraine-nsa-director-admits-first

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:24 pm

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    Kamyshevka was taken by RF

    The lid on zolotoye is closing, another massive cauldron to the rear of Lisichansk

    There are probably around 2000 VSU in this pocket

    The Bakhmut highway will be next

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:27 pm

    RuAF have clearly learnt that when using Kaliber on rail bridges more is best.

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    Railbridge destroyed in Trikhaty, north of Nikolayev.

    4 Kalibr missiles? RuAF -really- wanted that thing gone, it seems.

    It was one of two rail lines into Nikolayev available to AFU.

    (Rail lines schematically shown, also some lines across the front omitted.)


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    This is 100% of Poland's Krabs. Ukraine is going to get so much artillery that they will run out of gun crews.

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    Poland is ready to transfer to Ukraine almost all of its available 155-mm Krab self-propelled howitzers. So, 18 self-propelled guns have already been shipped, and now a decision has been made to send another 54 howitzers from the Polish Armed Forces.


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    Post  Broski Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:28 pm

    JohninMK wrote:And they admit it Shocked Shocked Shocked

    US Engaged In "Offensive" Cyber Ops Against Russia In Ukraine: NSA Director
    The reason they're admitting to this is most likely because they plan to attack their own country's cyber-infrastructure during the mid term elections in the US and falsely pin the blame on "Russian Hacking" like they did during the 2016 and 2020 Presidential elections, they're not known for their creativity after all.

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    Post  diabetus Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:44 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Personally, if I was a russian general I'd be wishing Ukraine used the himmers on major cities, why? because that might actually make Putin treat this as a real war.

    They can just use them against Crimea.
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:45 pm

    JohninMK wrote:RuAF have clearly learnt that when using Kaliber on rail bridges more is best.

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    Railbridge destroyed in Trikhaty, north of Nikolayev.

    4 Kalibr missiles? RuAF -really- wanted that thing gone, it seems.

    It was one of two rail lines into Nikolayev available to AFU.

    (Rail lines schematically shown, also some lines across the front omitted.)


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    This is 100% of Poland's Krabs. Ukraine is going to get so much artillery that they will run out of gun crews.

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    Poland is ready to transfer to Ukraine almost all of its available 155-mm Krab self-propelled howitzers.  So, 18 self-propelled guns have already been shipped, and now a decision has been made to send another 54 howitzers from the Polish Armed Forces.


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    The biggest supplier of weapons to the Russian forced in the region is NATO.

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