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    Post  Backman Fri Jun 03, 2022 11:43 pm

    Hole wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #17 - Page 35 Df3aq510
    The first time I recognize this. So the nominal and the PPP method take the american system and the Dollar as base. Otherwise the numbers would change for the US.
    In other words: even the PPP method is pure western financial voodoo garbage.

    In effect yes. The fact that USD and PPP is the same for the US gives it away. But at least the PPP number can pass the smell test.
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    Post  ATLASCUB Fri Jun 03, 2022 11:44 pm

    lancelot wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:You can't have a disproving opinion of Kremlin leadership, political culture and decision making without being an automatic "western sympathizer" or "NATO bootlick"....

    It's the tribal nature of the dimwitt to forcefully box the opposing views into that simple to understand narrow view otherwise their head would explode from the conditioning of the propaganda the other side feeds daily. It's amazing to watch. More so how highly of themselves they belief to be  (projecting to others their adopted opinions which are mostly talking points propaganda borrowed from thought leaders). Special little things. Cognitive dissonance at its finest, and worst.
    I guess you are one of those people who think Putin owns a mansion in the Black Sea and eat up all that 3D rendered nonsense that Navalny pushed out. They also used to say Stalin was incredibly wealthy back then. See the wealth he had when he died.

    In the meantime people like Obama can buy mansions and residences in Hawaii from their speaking circuit after being President. i.e. going on a talk show tour where they are paid a fortune by the corporations they favored while they were in power. And that isn't corruption.

    This is all projection.

    I'm not one of those people. See.... lol1

    Dimwitts can't help themselves.
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    Post  Broski Fri Jun 03, 2022 11:56 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Wow, so if you stomp their balls after arrival they stop coming?
    Damn, Russia is discovering some fundamental new cosmic truths here...  study
    A big number of war vets joined the Ukro ranks, and I mean it.
    Just watch the testimonies they are giving generously in the western shitstream media.
    Folks who were battle hardened in Iraq or Afghanistan are scared like little girls.
    They really are saying the shit like "the Russkies shoot at us!" or "the artillery was shelling!" or "they were very brutal toward us!".
    The collective West have forgotten what a real war against a peer opponent looks like, Russia has not.
    So of course it was a real surprise for the western mercenaries when they thought this war was going to be like Iraq and Afghanistan and they were right... except they're now the Afghans and Iraqis.

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    Post  sundoesntrise Sat Jun 04, 2022 12:05 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:The Irish have been playing that song since way back when Spain was an empire.

    The moments of hype are fleeting. London exerts control as it always has.

    We could roll a casino dice on the subject tho...

    As for Ritter....well.... lol1

    It was kinda funny how the mob turned on him for a few not long ago after he made some claims... now back to the honeymoon phase again. The desperation is real for affirmation and validation. Think for your own, and you won't need the Scott Ritters/Sakers/Durans/Pepe's/Mr. Bs/ and the rest of the clown car to sell you fairy tales so you can sleep good at night. It's extremely healthy and freeing.

    Not only is Ritter a recidivist in failure, Scottie is also an ex-con who served over 2 years in a state prison in Pennsylvania after he got caught trying to hook up with minors as young as 13 (and possibly 11).

    But there is more. Scott has been under internal FBI investigation for 3+ years after heavy suspicion emerged that the man was spying for none other than Our Greatest Ally Israel.

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    The whole pro-Putin grifter clique indeed is a clowns how. Are there any normal people over there?
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    Post  ATLASCUB Sat Jun 04, 2022 12:08 am

    Define normal lol1 Wink

    When you're desperate for English language analysis validation of positive "resistance" news you take anything you can get from anyone you can get it... grifters and assets included.

    It's all about the half truths and sweet lies to sleep good at night. Sheeple are simple.


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    Post  LMFS Sat Jun 04, 2022 12:12 am

    A bunch of videos of ukie military units refusing to fight:

    https://sonar21.com/ukrainian-military-units-betrayed-by-their-commanders/

    Their morale is below zero. But not only because they know they are going to die, but because they perfectly understand the uselessness of the whole thing. I mean, if you know your enemy is going to kill you and your family unless you defeat them, you fight with gun, stones or your hands if needed, there is nothing to lose. But if you see what criminals you are serving, who is actually ruling the country and for what, you see your enemy taking more care of your population and infrastructure than your own military and you see your fellow ukrainians in liberated territories restarting peaceful lives, while you are being culled for some Western bankers, well, you just want it to be over asap and be done with the crap. Those soldiers are clearly not afraid of their "enemy" and beyond shouting "slava ukraini" proforma they don't give a damn who wins, if you ask me.


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    Post  Erk Sat Jun 04, 2022 12:17 am

    sundoesntrise wrote:

    Not only is Ritter a recidivist in failure, Scottie is also an ex-con who served over 2 years in a state prison in Pennsylvania after he got caught trying to hook up with minors as young as 13 (and possibly 11).

    But there is more. Scott has been under internal FBI investigation for 3+ years after heavy suspicion emerged that the man was spying for none other than Our Greatest Ally Israel.

    The whole pro-Putin grifter clique indeed is a clowns how. Are there any normal people over there?
    So rather than debate the points Ritter raises, you chose to personally attack him for something totally unrelated to the Ukraine conflict. What kind of agenda do you really have here?

    I learnt a lot about Ukraine and Russia from Ritter, he is a good journalist, he spent many years living in Russia during the nuclear disarmament period. You might be better off reading one of his books about it, rather than posting about FBI smear stings.

    https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/disarmament-in-the-time-of-perestroika-scott-ritter/1141191701

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    Post  Vann7 Sat Jun 04, 2022 12:19 am

    Backman wrote:10 days ago Scott Ritter changed his analysis a bit. The video is the long form.



    In short, he says that Russia is killing it in the field, but considering Russia's strategic aims of de-nazification and a neutral Ukraine, taking the Donbass, all of it, and even incorporating it into Russia could still be considered a strategic defeat.

    I don't necessarily disagree. Even if Donbass is clear, Ukraine would be more Nazi than before the war considering the only legal party in the country now is the Nazi party led by Zelensky. And its more Nato than before because the west has poured billions of weapons in.

    This means its more than likely that Putin and the Duma will be constructing the legalisms for a mobilization and a full attack on Kiev in the coming days. The attack wont be in the coming days but the legalisms to do the attack will be visible. So we have to watch for that.

    I don't disagree with Scott on the strategic points. Which is why Russia must mobilize and dissolve the kiev regime.

    Anyway what I do disagree with him is the bullshit about the super duper 50 billion in arms and how this is almost the size of Russia's military budget. This is an absolute crock. Its again the non PPP sharade. Russia is not a USD bloc economy so you have to use PPP. You have to. Its not a choice if you want actual data.

    Russia's defense budget is 170+ million dollars. Almost the same as the UK, France, Germany and Holland combined. So non PPP numbers actually under state the Russian budget by almost 3 times over. Which is why propagandists love it.

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    it should be clear by now , that a)de-nazification + b) de-militarization + c) de-natification of ukraine , will not happen , until ukraine army fully defeated ,and they agree to fully surrender under
    russian a,b,c terms .
    Anything less than that , any cease of fire will be used for re-arming ukraine , re-training ukraine army and continuation of the war later or earn time ,for a regroup and a major scale attack ,with deadlier weapons.  

    And so because ukraine army will not surrender on its own , neither zelensky,that is a puppet of west. the only way russia have to achieve the same thing of a , b and c points.. is my military defeat of 100% of ukraine , or at least 90% of it.. capture all of ukraine so to physically remove Zelensky, nazis and nato military and nato influence  from ukraine territory. This is when the west will realize there is no point to continuation of the war and so surrender..  

    is similar to syria.. the west gave up with syria , when russia kicked isis from 90% of syrian territory
    and pushed back alqaeda to just one city idlib that always was anti government anyway. If Russia stopped fighting ,when half of syria was captured by russia and syrian arm , the west will have used any cease of fire to reorganize their jihadist forces..

    so ukraine military needs to be forced to surrender ,evacuated or killed , in order to get them to surrender . and then zelensky authority become irrelevant if they have no army left .

    Anyone expecting peace in ukraine with the full capture of donbass ,and that any negotiation with puppet zelensky  is possible is living delusion.  capturing only donbass and recalling their soldiers ,
    is effectively an strategic defeat. a temporary cease of fire.   that will be like after stalling kicking nazis from russia territory , say , all right.. lets negotiate for peace now.  No

    russian enemies needs to be evacuated from ukraine territory , at least from 90% of it , in a voluntary way (if ukraine army surrender ,arrested and give away all their weapons) or by force
    they destroyed in combat. Those that control zelensky will not allow peace ever there in ukraine ,as long the revolution of 2014 , where neonazis got in power , not reversed.  and russian friendly new government installed in control of ukraine. The partitioning of ukraine later ,after ukraine army surrender ,will be need to guarantee , the west can't do another euromaidan again like in 2014 .
    by installing puppets friendly to russia , in control of ukraine. This is a long process , and the sooner ukraine army surrender ,the faster the reconstruction of ukraine will start and go back to business life.


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    Post  ATLASCUB Sat Jun 04, 2022 12:23 am

    Instead of asking yourself, what kind of agenda does Ritter have all of the sudden becoming a pro-Kremlin mouthpiece considering the baggage and the potential for bad faith propagandization, the question from the sheeple is: "don't smear my Ritter" "What kind of agenda do you have"? Nobody gave a shit about this guy until he started signing the pro-Russia tune... now he's "one of us", "a sensible western voice against the globalist swamp"... fvck out here... lol1

    Posting publicly available info = smearing now too.

    Sheeple can't be helped. That's why grifters exists. The clientele is there for the taking...


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    Post  sundoesntrise Sat Jun 04, 2022 12:28 am

    The Chinese are getting worried about the faltering Russian effort in Ukraine and how it might effect their own country. Russia falling into its lap due to heavy western sanctions is considered a win yet it shouldn't become a drain and source for instability.

    Below is a speech made by Gao Yusheng, PRC's former Ambassador to Ukraine and a prominent expert on matters related to the SU/Russia. Speech was made in the CASS, a Chinese Institute know for its policy advising nature within the CCP, and meant to be made in private. Was pulled offline within hours of publication.

    The Former PRC Ambassador to Ukraine Gao Yusheng: The Dynamics of the Russian-Ukrainian War and the Implications for the International Order
    中国驻乌克兰前⼤使⾼⽟⽣:俄乌战争的⾛势和对国际秩序的影响


    Former PRC Ambassador to Ukraine Gao Yusheng ⾼⽟⽣
    The Impact of the Russian-Ukrainian War on the International Order

    Recently, the Forum of Thirty on China’s International Finance and the Department of International Studies of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences hosted an internal video seminar to discuss how the Russia-Ukraine crisis has changed the global financial landscape, its impact on China and how China should respond. Former Chinese Ambassador to Ukraine Mr. Gao Yuanchuan spoke at the seminar. The following is the text of his talk including edits he made after giving his talk.  

    The Russo-Ukrainian War is the most important international event of the post-Cold War period. It marks the end of the post-Cold War period and creates in a new international order.

    I. Russia’s position in the Russia-Ukraine war has became increasingly passive and unfavorable. Its coming defeat is already clear.

    The main reasons why Russia is now heading towards defeat are:

    1.Russia has been declining ever since the collapse of the Soviet Union, a decline that is first of all a continuation of the pre-dissolution Soviet  Union. It is also related to the failures of the internal and external policies of the Russian ruling clique. This process has been exacerbated by Western economic sanctions which have damaged sectors of the Russian economy. The so-called revival or revitalization of Russia under Putin’s leadership is false; it simply does not exist. Russia’s decline is evident in its economic, military, technological, political, and social spheres, and has had a serious negative impact on the Russian military and its war effort.
    2.The failure of the Russian blitzkrieg and the failure to achieve a quick victory signaled the beginning of the Russian defeat. The Russian military’s economic and financial strength, which are not commensurate with its status as a so-called military superpower, could not support a high-tech war costing hundreds of millions of dollars a day. 3.The Russian army’s poverty-driven defeat was evident everywhere on the battlefield. Every day that the war is delayed is a heavy burden for Russia.
    Russian military and economic advantages over Ukraine have been offset by the resilience of Ukraine and the huge, sustained and effective aid provided to Ukraine. The generational differences between Russia and the U.S. and other NATO countries in the areas of weapons and technology, military concepts, and modes of warfare make the advantages and disadvantages of both sides even more pronounced.
    4.Modern wars are necessarily hybrid wars, covering military, economic, political, diplomatic, public opinion, propaganda, intelligence, and information. Russia is not only in a passive position on the battlefield, but has lost in other areas. This means that it is only a matter of time before Russia is finally. It is only a matter of time before Russia is finally defeated.
    5.Russia can no longer decide when and how the war will end. Russia is trying to end the war as soon as possible so it can hold on to what it has gained. This has failed. In this sense, Russia has lost its strategic leadership and initiative.
    II. The next phase of the war is likely to be more violent and  intense

    The possibility of expansion and escalation cannot be ruled out. This is because: the objectives of the two sides are diametrically opposed. Ensuring its sovereignty over Crimea and eastern Ukraine is clearly the bottom line for the Russian side. Ukraine will not concede to Russia on the issue of sovereignty and territorial integrity and will be determined to recover eastern Ukraine and Crimea through war. The U.S., NATO and the EU have repeatedly affirmed their determination to defeat Putin.

    U.S. Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs John Sully recently emphasized three goals for the U.S. to achieve in the Russia-Ukraine war.

    An independent and liberal Ukraine.
    A weakened and isolated Russia.
    A strong, united, and resolute West.
    In order to achieve these goals, the United States and the NATO EU countries have not only significantly increased their assistance to Ukraine, but the United States also passed the first post-World War II Lend-Lease Act. The U.S. has internationalized and institutionalized its assistance to Ukraine through the 41st Defense Ministerial Conference. More importantly, the direct involvement of the U.S. and Britain in the war is deepening and expanding. All of this suggests that the war will be fought until Russia is defeated and punished.

    III. The Russo-Ukrainian War and the New International Order

    The Russo-Ukrainian War put an end to the Yalta system and the remnants of the Cold War, and the world began to move toward a new pattern and order of international relations. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia inherited the Soviet Union’s status as a permanent member of the UN Security Council and a military superpower; Russia continued and retained much of the legacy and influence of the former Soviet Union in domestic politics, economy, society, culture and ideology; and Russian foreign policy was a blend of the foreign policies of the former Soviet Union and of the Tsarist Empire.

    (1) The central and overriding direction of the Putin regime’s foreign policy is to regard the former Soviet Union as its exclusive sphere of influence and to restore the empire through the mechanism of integration in all spheres of that area under Russian domination.

    Russia has been focused and determined to achieve this goal.  Russia has never really recognized the independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity of other former Soviet states, and has frequently violated their territoriality and sovereignty. The Russian-Ukrainian war has changed this situation dramatically in terms of peace and security in the Eurasian region. After the independence of Ukraine, especially since 2000, the two factions in the country, which had been essentially equally divided between the East and the West leaning factions which were elected to power alternately. Following the annexation of Crimea and the occupation of parts of eastern Ukraine in 2014, anti-Russian sentiment in Ukraine rose and pro-Russian forces began to shrink. Most of the people in Ukraine, not only in the east but also in the south, supported the country’s entry into the EU and NATO.

    After the outbreak of the war, the situation in Ukraine has fundamentally changed. The country is united in its resistance to Russia and its salvation. It can be said that Russia has completely lost Ukraine. At the same time, the former Soviet Union, with the exception of white Russia, including the members of the Collective Security Treaty and the Eurasian Economic Union, have refused to support Russia. Russia’s defeat would leave it with no hope of rebuilding its old empire.

    In order to gain the international status and influence of the Tsarist Empire or the former Soviet Union, break the existing international order, change the geopolitical map of the Eurasian continent and the world. Russia is obsessed with regrouping the former Soviet states and restoring its alliance or empire. This is in contrast to the U.S. position. This is a fundamental confrontation and conflict with the US. This is the main conflict and sticking point in Russia’s relations with the US.

    To a large extent, the conflict between the two sides on this issue is a continuation and remnant of the Cold War between the U.S. and the U.S.S.R., and has a certain ideological color. It also has a certain ideological color. Through this war, the confrontation and struggle between Russia and the U.S. in the context of the American Empire ended in a total defeat for Russia. It has ended ended the post-Cold War or the continuation of the Cold War.

    (2) Possible points of the evolution of the international order after the Russo-Ukrainian war.

    Russia’s political, economic, military and diplomatic power will be significantly weakened and isolated. Russia will be significantly weakened, isolated and punished. Russia’s power will weaken even more. Russia may be expelled from some important international organizations and its international status will be significantly reduced. Russia’s international status will be significantly reduced.
    Ukraine would be removed from Russia’s orbit and sphere of influence (if Russia still has a sphere of influence) and become a member of the great European family. A member of the European family, i.e., a member of the European Union.
    Other former Soviet states may experience new and different degrees of de-Russianization. Some countries will move more actively to strengthen their ties with the West.
    Japan and Germany, while completely free from the constraints of the defeated countries of World War II and accelerating their armament development, will more actively strive for the status of political powers. Japan and Germany will be more active in seeking the status of political powers. However, they will not break away from the democratic camp, nor will they completely abandon the policy of peaceful development.
    The U.S. and other countries will push hard for substantive reform of the UN and other important international organizations. If they are blocked, they may also start a new one. Both may exclude some countries, such as Russia, by drawing ideological lines of so-called independence


    Link here

    https://gaodawei.wordpress.com/2022/05/10/fmr-prc-amb-to-ukraine-on-russias-impending-defeat-and-international-relations/


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    Post  sundoesntrise Sat Jun 04, 2022 12:35 am

    Erk wrote:
    sundoesntrise wrote:

    Not only is Ritter a recidivist in failure, Scottie is also an ex-con who served over 2 years in a state prison in Pennsylvania after he got caught trying to hook up with minors as young as 13 (and possibly 11).

    But there is more. Scott has been under internal FBI investigation for 3+ years after heavy suspicion emerged that the man was spying for none other than Our Greatest Ally Israel.

    The whole pro-Putin grifter clique indeed is a clowns how. Are there any normal people over there?
    So rather than debate the points Ritter raises, you chose to personally attack him for something totally unrelated to the Ukraine conflict. What kind of agenda do you really have here?

    I learnt a lot about Ukraine and Russia from Ritter, he is a good journalist, he spent many years living in Russia during the nuclear disarmament period. You might be better off reading one of his books about it, rather than posting about FBI smear stings.

    https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/disarmament-in-the-time-of-perestroika-scott-ritter/1141191701

    I understand that this conflict awakens tribalism and ideological purity spirals in many, but covering for a convicted pedo and highly probable traitor is something I'll never condone.

    As for analysis, they only look good on paper. You can only be wrong so often without losing credentials. Likewise when the local hamburguesa joint (LOL at the guy who thinks I am a Flip) serves me uncooked burgers for 9 days in a row, the 10th day I won't visit his store anymore no matter how appealing his ads look, and no matter how smooth his talks are.

    This is basic stuff.
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    Post  Erk Sat Jun 04, 2022 12:41 am

    sundoesntrise wrote:Wall of text
    This is old news, it was covered weeks ago on May 11th.

    Gao Yusheng comments have been largely censored as they don't represent the view of the Chinese government, they sound more like something the Epoch Times would have come up with.

    Also, they don't seem to represent the reality on the ground in Ukraine.

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    Post  ATLASCUB Sat Jun 04, 2022 12:57 am

    It's a pov. I don't agree with it either... too triumphalist about the West moves. Looks amateurish as if faxed directly from Langley.... Horrible for a Chinesse ambassador to write such unbalanced crap. May even be a western asset. If I were Chinesse counter-intelligence, if I weren't already, I would be looking at this guy through a 100x microscope as soon as that man hit the send button on that article.

    The biggest takeaway is that China has people of this magnitude amongst its ranks even if an underling. The economic elites, while being more cutthroat, are even less informed about geopolitics and run to the fences quick when a buck of theirs is threatened. The Chinese got a lot to figure out, Taiwan is coming, whether they like it or not.

    That is to say, the existence of these individuals is not good for Russia or China and the task before them, but it's a good reminder that there is a fair share of these people, that they do exist and hold important political positions all throughout. There is no worse enemy than the enemy within.

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    Post  mnztr Sat Jun 04, 2022 1:12 am

    Hole wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #17 - Page 35 Df3aq510
    The first time I recognize this. So the nominal and the PPP method take the american system and the Dollar as base. Otherwise the numbers would change for the US.
    In other words: even the PPP method is pure western financial voodoo garbage.

    Well you need to understand what the USA spends this absurd amount of money on actually. Firstly the US Military funds the 2 largest (by cost of course) medical systems on the planet. One for inservice, one for veterans. Then you have the MASSIVE pensions and disability benefits a legacy of all the many US wars. Then you have the MASSIVE base infrastructure and the close to 300 Strategic airlifters + commercial cargo flights, ships etc that service them. When you really get down to it, only about 15% of this sum actually goes to warfighting capability.
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    Post  Erk Sat Jun 04, 2022 1:13 am

    This is an interview with the captain of one of the Turkish ships stuck in the river in Kherson, they have been there for 3mths. and can't sail because of the Ukrainian places sea mines.



    Lots of fertilizer just sitting there on the dock.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Jun 04, 2022 1:17 am

    Erk wrote:
    sundoesntrise wrote:

    Not only is Ritter a recidivist in failure, Scottie is also an ex-con who served over 2 years in a state prison in Pennsylvania after he got caught trying to hook up with minors as young as 13 (and possibly 11).

    But there is more. Scott has been under internal FBI investigation for 3+ years after heavy suspicion emerged that the man was spying for none other than Our Greatest Ally Israel.

    The whole pro-Putin grifter clique indeed is a clowns how. Are there any normal people over there?
    So rather than debate the points Ritter raises, you chose to personally attack him for something totally unrelated to the Ukraine conflict. What kind of agenda do you really have here?

    I learnt a lot about Ukraine and Russia from Ritter, he is a good journalist, he spent many years living in Russia during the nuclear disarmament period. You might be better off reading one of his books about it, rather than posting about FBI smear stings.

    https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/disarmament-in-the-time-of-perestroika-scott-ritter/1141191701

    You do realize sundoesntrise is one of Vann's sock puppet accounts right?.

    What he does is make side accounts so when people just don't argue with his dumbass logic, he gets on these side accounts to post the sameshit.

    Hoping people will take him seriously.

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    Post  ATLASCUB Sat Jun 04, 2022 1:25 am

    Hard to go from Vann's english to sunrise's... night and day in posting style, knowledge base and use of the language.

    You are either smoking something or the individual is one of the most elaborate trolls you'll find around.

    Smoking is my take.

    In defense of Vann's rants, sometimes he's completely off, and the use of language definitely doesn't help to articulate his points, but he's no dummy, and sometimes he gets the essence of the failures right. There is more independent thinking in a single Vann rant than whole post histories of the Putin boys here. Broken clock euphemism aside, it beats 90% of the cheerleading non-critical drones here whose full post history boils down to this emoji: russia .
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    Post  Airbornewolf Sat Jun 04, 2022 1:37 am

    RF airforce in Denazifying activities:

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    Childrens day organised by O group:


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    RF strike on large Ukrainian group of infantry:

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    Post  Erk Sat Jun 04, 2022 1:37 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Erk wrote:
    sundoesntrise wrote:

    Not only is Ritter a recidivist in failure, Scottie is also an ex-con who served over 2 years in a state prison in Pennsylvania after he got caught trying to hook up with minors as young as 13 (and possibly 11).

    But there is more. Scott has been under internal FBI investigation for 3+ years after heavy suspicion emerged that the man was spying for none other than Our Greatest Ally Israel.

    The whole pro-Putin grifter clique indeed is a clowns how. Are there any normal people over there?
    So rather than debate the points Ritter raises, you chose to personally attack him for something totally unrelated to the Ukraine conflict. What kind of agenda do you really have here?

    I learnt a lot about Ukraine and Russia from Ritter, he is a good journalist, he spent many years living in Russia during the nuclear disarmament period. You might be better off reading one of his books about it, rather than posting about FBI smear stings.

    https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/disarmament-in-the-time-of-perestroika-scott-ritter/1141191701

    You do realize sundoesntrise is one of Vann's sock puppet accounts right?.

    What he does is make side accounts so when people just don't argue with his dumbass logic, he gets on these side accounts to post the sameshit.

    Hoping people will take him seriously.
    I sensed that it was a person with a social media disinformation agenda.

    Thanks for the heads up.

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    Post  sundoesntrise Sat Jun 04, 2022 2:03 am

    Erk wrote:
    sundoesntrise wrote:Wall of text
    This is old news, it was covered weeks ago on May 11th.

    Gao Yusheng comments have been largely censored as they don't represent the view of the Chinese government, they sound more like something the Epoch Times would have come up with.

    Also, they don't seem to represent the reality on the ground in Ukraine.

    *Doesn't represent the official view of the Chinese government.

    Chinese are a smart bunch, whose foreign policy is based in long term strategic thinking and the school of realism. You'd have to be seriously delusional to think that they buy the Russian' everything according to plan' line behind closed doors.

    Russia was supposed to bring military expertise and raw horsepower to this new (post April-May 2021) alliance. Turns out that was quite a stretch. All alarm bells have started going off in Beijing, no doubt about that.

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    Post  sundoesntrise Sat Jun 04, 2022 2:10 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Erk wrote:
    sundoesntrise wrote:

    Not only is Ritter a recidivist in failure, Scottie is also an ex-con who served over 2 years in a state prison in Pennsylvania after he got caught trying to hook up with minors as young as 13 (and possibly 11).

    But there is more. Scott has been under internal FBI investigation for 3+ years after heavy suspicion emerged that the man was spying for none other than Our Greatest Ally Israel.

    The whole pro-Putin grifter clique indeed is a clowns how. Are there any normal people over there?
    So rather than debate the points Ritter raises, you chose to personally attack him for something totally unrelated to the Ukraine conflict. What kind of agenda do you really have here?

    I learnt a lot about Ukraine and Russia from Ritter, he is a good journalist, he spent many years living in Russia during the nuclear disarmament period. You might be better off reading one of his books about it, rather than posting about FBI smear stings.

    https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/disarmament-in-the-time-of-perestroika-scott-ritter/1141191701

    You do realize sundoesntrise is one of Vann's sock puppet accounts right?.

    What he does is make side accounts so when people just don't argue with his dumbass logic, he gets on these side accounts to post the sameshit.

    Hoping people will take him seriously.

    What a turn of events. Former US SOF (LOL) who regularly makes a complete fool of himself and his country is coming out on the side of his presumed ideological enemies.

    Goes to show that most of what happens on this board is for show, a carefully orchestrated show on top of that. Up until the (controlled) opposition 'attacking' Putinista talking points and purposely embarrassing themselves in the process. Somehow these 'mavericks' never get the boot, unlike yours truly and that is considered a badge of honor in my book.

    I believe it was Lenin (no doubt widely venerated here) who said that the best way to control opposition is to lead it yourself.

    What happened to Putin's 'security guarantees' and all the rest of his empty grandstanding bytheway? The parish here has carefully managed to divert the attention from original post. Mudslinging, coping, damage controlling are in full swing. Selective amnesia no doubt. It's only been 4 months..

    A difficult topi- Hey is that a Kinzhal flying over my house?
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    Post  ATLASCUB Sat Jun 04, 2022 2:30 am

    Sometimes its better if they assume we can't notice it and don't know.

    You simply give them rope... it's not rocket science for such a low effort op. Sheeple got no idea however, and they won't believe it even if you showed it to them. They rather rationalize it, having fully bought in. The few that bail are insignificant. Its a dirty useless game that never ends. Just take a shit on the whole charade every now and then. It clearly gets the accounts working overtime by just a couple of posts. Folks gotta eat and pay bills... lol1

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sat Jun 04, 2022 2:37 am

    sundoesntrise wrote:
    Erk wrote:
    sundoesntrise wrote:

    Not only is Ritter a recidivist in failure, Scottie is also an ex-con who served over 2 years in a state prison in Pennsylvania after he got caught trying to hook up with minors as young as 13 (and possibly 11).

    But there is more. Scott has been under internal FBI investigation for 3+ years after heavy suspicion emerged that the man was spying for none other than Our Greatest Ally Israel.

    The whole pro-Putin grifter clique indeed is a clowns how. Are there any normal people over there?
    So rather than debate the points Ritter raises, you chose to personally attack him for something totally unrelated to the Ukraine conflict. What kind of agenda do you really have here?

    I learnt a lot about Ukraine and Russia from Ritter, he is a good journalist, he spent many years living in Russia during the nuclear disarmament period. You might be better off reading one of his books about it, rather than posting about FBI smear stings.

    https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/disarmament-in-the-time-of-perestroika-scott-ritter/1141191701

    I understand that this conflict awakens tribalism and ideological purity spirals in many, but covering for a convicted pedo and highly probable traitor is something I'll never condone.

    As for analysis, they only look good on paper. You can only be wrong so often without losing credentials. Likewise when the local hamburguesa joint (LOL at the guy who thinks I am a Flip) serves me uncooked burgers for 9 days in a row, the 10th day I won't visit his store anymore no matter how appealing his ads look, and no matter how smooth his talks are.

    This is basic stuff.

    Just thinking aloud, why is it that everyone who goes against the American establishment, especially its intel apparatus is always a traitor, a commie, a terrorist, and/or sexual deviant, and or suicidal, and/or killed in an altercation with law enforcement? Martin Luther King, remember him? J Edgar worked so hard to get him in bed with a prostitute and ah look it his dissertation was plagiarized and he was a dirty commie and one of his lieutenants was a homosexual and J Edgar Hoover and the FBI made sure everyone knew. Why would they do that in the 60s? Simple, in the 50s and 60s King and co dared challenge a system. Fred Hampton, a leader of the Black Panthers was drugged and assassinated point blank by the Chicago PD and yet the official cause of death shootout with the police, they claimed he fired at them some twenty times and yet the evidence eventually showed one of his lieutenants got off one shot that went into the ceiling.

    Moving to more recent times, Abbie Hoffman of Steal This Book fame questioned the power of the FBI and CIA and well the boy done gone shot himself in the 80s and he was an alleged traitor and sexual deviant. Ed Snowden? Whistle blower and now in Moscow, if ya takes shelter in Putinland you be a traitor. Julian Assange? Traitor and deviant ignore wikileaks, he raped a girl even though she dropped charges but he is in prison awaiting extradition. Scott Ritter? Same thing. Sorry, but always recognize a smear campaign for what it is.

    Now let's say for a moment that Scott Ritter and Julian Assange are sexual predators. Fine, punish them for that, but that in no way should invalidate anything they have researched and brought to life.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Sat Jun 04, 2022 2:43 am

    With the west so keen on sending MLRS and HIMARS maybe it's time Belarus decided to send it's Polonez MLRS to Donbass troops combat test it on these systems. Polonez-M has 290 km range far better than these western systems.

    My next point is today I watched the BBC speaking with so called experts saying that Russia is failing to take Ukraine with ONLY 1/5 of the country under Russian control. That's 120,000km² , To put this landmass into comparison that's equivalent to:

    - Four Belgium's
    Or
    - three Netherlands
    Or
    - two Latvia's
    Or
    And one Bulgaria + 10,000km².

    That's no easy task in around 100 days up against a large NATO trained, NATO backed armed forces, with constant armed drones coming your way, and the enemy getting intel from USA and other NATO countries.

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    Post  sundoesntrise Sat Jun 04, 2022 3:08 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:It's a pov. I don't agree with it either... too triumphalist about the West moves. Looks amateurish as if faxed directly from Langley.... Horrible for a Chinesse ambassador to write such unbalanced crap. May even be a western asset. If I were Chinesse counter-intelligence, if I weren't already, I would be looking at this guy through a 100x microscope as soon as that man hit the send button on that article.

    The biggest takeaway is that China has people of this magnitude amongst its ranks even if an underling. The economic elites, while being more cutthroat, are even less informed about geopolitics and run to the fences quick when a buck of theirs is threatened. The Chinese got a lot to figure out, Taiwan is coming, whether they like it or not.

    That is to say, the existence of these individuals is not good for Russia or China and the task before them, but it's a good reminder that there is a fair share of these people, that they do exist and hold important political positions all throughout. There is no worse enemy than the enemy within.

    It's obvious that the some of the reasoning and subsequent conclusions are a stretch. Talking about a possible collapse of Russia is at this point as much a pipedream as some of the 'Russia can defeat NATO IN Europe at any given moment' nonsense that was flooding this board months ago.

    What this speech (NOT an interview, and Gao is from the looks of it a respected member of China's diplomatic corps/ 'expert' community/ CASS) does highlight is the discrepancy between official Russian propaganda narratives and Chinese discourse behind closed scenes. One for the dumbed downed masses and the other one for well informed individuals with skin in the game. For that reason alone it is worthwhile posting here, as it will make the parish go into bunkermode which is always a sight to behold.

    And I do agree on Chinese resilience or better said lack their of. Their mercantilist/isolationist tendencies coupled with this conflict-avoiding attitude reek of weekness. When the Aussies+US threatened military action around the Chinese base in the Solomon Islands they dropped the issue and simply walked away. But very soon they won't be able to walk away anymore as the US is prepping conflict in Taiwan. Even 'Beijing Biden' got recently wheeled out to Warhawk on China. That nickname never did made a lot of sense in the first place.

    I will leave any comments on Gao's allegiance or personal character traits to others, as I do not know this man nor his background nor his (un-official) standing. But yes there still is somewhat of a power struggle going on in China with the Bo GuaGua faction/Shanghai Clique/ Jiang Zemin faction clearly allied with the globalists/Soros. Official Chinese media on more than one occasion has stated that the State is in the process of 'removing the remaining poison'. The Shanghai Covid1984 debacle coupled with Soros' February 2021 speech (wherein he predicts a massive outbreak) leave room for speculation. Shanghai+ Zhejiang are a powerbase for the Jiang Zemin faction and the (purposely?) mutiny on Xi's Zero Covid policy (which is a matter of national security in the eyes of the Chinese) reek of treason.

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