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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #17

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    Post  Isos Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:27 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    Arrow wrote:Germany to send IRIS-T air defence system to Ukraine.

    https://tass.com/politics/1458697?utm_source=google.com&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=google.com&utm_referrer=google.com

    What peace agreements? This is nonsense in the current situation.

    Actually they would need to make them first since the german army said it won't come from their stocks. So if goes ahead it will need 1 or 2 years to delivered.

    It's just a propaganda move. And if it happens russians  will capture top nato missiles.

    I hope not. That one is a dangerous system. Probably, best AA system west sent to Ukraine to date.

    Hardly dangerous. It operates with a single Girafe radar and its effective range won't be more than 20km. You can destroy it with artillery or suicide drones if comes in the donbass or by kh-38 if it is deep inside Ukraine (no need to destroy it actually there since russian air force don't operate there).

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:42 pm

    IRIS T SL is not even in German stocks

    They themselves said they don't have the missiles to send to Ukraine

    It's all bunch of junk news

    Anyway some SHORADS as I said will not overturn Russian C4ISR advantage in theater

    The strongest weapons in Ukrainian inventory, is being shared with them via US recon satellites

    The column of Russian vehicles shared by MAXAR satellites which is commercial , is a cover for the military resolution images Ukrainian leadership receives from US military

    The ELINT and SIGINT emissions captured by RC135 and E3 as well as visuals by Seahawk and Global hawk

    Are by far the strongest weapon that Ukraine is receiving from the west

    None of these tactical weapons make a difference against BLACKSKY satellites used by the SPACE FORCE

    If you think these so called "commercial satellites" are not supplanted by military grade surveillance then you are deluded

    Who thinks they had tabs on Moskva without fucking sat feeds?

    And imbeciles rave about some little drones

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:57 pm

    An interesting aspect of all this Intel avalanche is that NATO is being conditioned to work with it and maybe lulled into the expectation to operate in a real conflict with it.

    For their own benefit they should be trying to operate with it switched off.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:02 pm

    Remember the Russian troops raping stories?

    Well yesterday the Rada in Kiev fired their female Ombudsman of Human Rights responsible for the after their own investigation found no evidence.

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/05/rape-allegations-against-russian-troops-in-ukraine-were-fake.html

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-fires-human-rights-chief-perpetuating-russian-troop-systematic-rape-stories


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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:15 pm

    Interesting thing i learned is that, apparently, Wagner also operates aircraft in Ukraine.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:17 pm

    JohninMK wrote:An interesting aspect of all this Intel avalanche is that NATO is being conditioned to work with it and maybe lulled into the expectation to operate in a real conflict with it.

    For their own benefit they should be trying to operate with it switched off.

    This is 100% accurate and correct

    I find it amusing to see entire pages dedicated to some howitzers or some switchblade drones

    When the real banger is this bad boy here :

    https://www.axios.com/2022/05/31/satellite-maxar-blacksky-planet-government-nro-contracts

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    That's commercial grade resolution image from MAXAR satellite of Russian artillery

    This is what common assholes like Vann and everyone else sees on the internet

    MAXAR and BLACKSKY both have military contracts with NRO or national recon office of US military

    So those sats are conducting military operations over Russian theater of war --- if push comes to shove, your local BROSINT guy on Twitter will be as blind as everyone else , the commercial grade images trending on Twitter and telegram are just the hybrid aspect of what those sats are doing

    This is why it's amusing to see a jackass like Vann , act like a caveman about drones

    Newsflash all Ukrainian artillery missions, Ashm missions, And RSO drone missions are cued by US military satellite surveillance of Russian movement

    2nd newsflash

    In a real war, you and your boy are not gonna be on Twitter watching shit, but will operate in an internet blackout the likes of which only pre 1990 windows users know about

    Does anyone really believe they are seeing Russian military capability from the comfort of telegram or Twitter feed?

    You are seeing what you are allowed to see, under the conditions of a modern war, where reconnaissance and surveillance assets operate unimpeded

    Now think for a moment what happens when NATO C4isr Goes dark...

    Think real hard

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    Post  lancelot Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:21 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:The column of Russian vehicles shared by MAXAR satellites which is commercial , is a cover for the military resolution images Ukrainian leadership receives from US military
    ...
    If you think these so called "commercial satellites" are not supplanted by military grade surveillance then you are deluded
    Actually commercial imaging satellites in a lot of cases have better quality and more coverage than US military ones. The US military regularly buys imaging data from so called commercial companies and in a lot of cases those companies largely exist because of government funding.

    The Chinese also have a veeery extensive "commercial" imaging satellite capability.
    https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/12/new-chinese-satellite-can-capture-hi-res-images-of-entire-us-cities-in-seconds/

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:28 pm

    lancelot wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:The column of Russian vehicles shared by MAXAR satellites which is commercial , is a cover for the military resolution images Ukrainian leadership receives from US military
    ...
    If you think these so called "commercial satellites" are not supplanted by military grade surveillance then you are deluded
    Actually commercial imaging satellites in a lot of cases have better quality and more coverage than US military ones. The US military regularly buys imaging data from so called commercial companies and in a lot of cases those companies largely exist because of government funding.

    The Chinese also have a veeery extensive "commercial" imaging satellite capability.
    https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/12/new-chinese-satellite-can-capture-hi-res-images-of-entire-us-cities-in-seconds/

    When I say commercial, I am talking about low grade resolution available to public - which is good enough to discern vehicles and troop movements

    Also understand these satellites are also capable of mapping ELINT emissions from the ground

    But Ukrainian general staff as well as NATO combat commanders relaying this info operate with all this C4ISR capability - unimpeded

    The sinking of Moskva is really not a magic incident considering a Global Hawk operator probably received Sat images of Moskva movement constantly in his module along with the other generals coordinating the strike

    Again, only an amateur believes that VSU scores wins because of trivial weaponry like a TB2 or a MANPADS

    The VSU is operating under the umbrella of one of the most powerful C4ISR chains in the world

    Russian S500 and ASAT missiles would make short work of them, as would burevestnik lasers if push came to shove

    USA has luxury of having eyes and ears in this war

    But if they want near peer, I doubt they're ready for it

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:33 pm

    S500s haven't even been produced yet

    Nor are the other weapons you claimed in production, You have a very bad habit of lying Ark.

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    Post  Arrow Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:34 pm

    https://t.me/breakingmash/35375
    Record from the Su-35S
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:36 pm

    Also going back to claims about Kiev

    During the fighting in Irpen and Brovary, the ambushes were not happening because of VSU proficiency

    I will remind everyone here that MAXAR released images of every Russian troops movement in Kiev

    You think VSU knew about ambush sites because they could smell Russians ?

    No, MAXAR and the NRO were relaying Russian troops whereabouts to Combat commanders on the ground

    In real Life war , an ASAT missile would have gone up the ass of Any sat hovering over a Russian military column

    And they would not have defended anything with semblance of organization

    It is that VSU fights again with the C4ISR chain intact

    Also think about the implications of why Russia is fighting the war the way it does

    How is Russia taking cities, despite MAXAR and BLACKSKY still overhead?

    Or perhaps there was a talk on the phone between Lloyd Austin and Shoigu, and milley and Gerasimov of the next step if one more Ukrainian attack was guided by a Pindo scum satellite

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    Post  sepheronx Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:39 pm

    Satellites have to be in position in order to be able to track and get such resolution.  So it cant be done via at the instant but has to be done via waiting for satellite position.  Ground movement is faster and the satellites would have trouble picking up anything within the necessary time frame.  You are aware the earth spins, right?  And moving satellites isn't as well known besides what we knew of Soviet and Russian satellites that did.

    In other words, I dont think it is entirely because of satellites. Ukraine may have been given sat images of stationary targets and groupings that didn't move for days so thats a possibility at best.

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    Post  jhelb Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:45 pm

    This war has proved to the Russian government and more importantly to the Russian people that Russia's only true ally, friend is China. It's good to have such a major superpower as an ally.

    China today is as big an ally/friend of Russia as Canada and U.K are to the U.S.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:47 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Satellites have to be in position in order to be able to track and get such resolution.  So it cant be done via at the instant but has to be done via waiting for satellite position.  Ground movement is faster and the satellites would have trouble picking up anything within the necessary time frame.  You are aware the earth spins, right?  And moving satellites isn't as well known besides what we knew of Soviet and Russian satellites that did.

    In other words, I dont think it is entirely because of satellites.  Ukraine may have been given sat images of stationary targets and groupings that didn't move for days so thats a possibility at best.

    Think for a moment of the Space based resources the US put into this war:

    Starlink
    Maxar
    Blacksky
    Planet labs
    Orbital Insight

    All these got contracts from Defense innovation Unit, the DOD startup responsible for funding "commercial spy sats"

    You think CNN was coincidentally on the ground February 24?

    Its pretty funny to read these threads going on about a tactical system for sure

    When entire constellations of spy sats are roving the Black sea and Ukraine at all times

    Trust me, it ain't mines keeping BSF from landing in Odessa



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    Post  sepheronx Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:55 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Satellites have to be in position in order to be able to track and get such resolution.  So it cant be done via at the instant but has to be done via waiting for satellite position.  Ground movement is faster and the satellites would have trouble picking up anything within the necessary time frame.  You are aware the earth spins, right?  And moving satellites isn't as well known besides what we knew of Soviet and Russian satellites that did.

    In other words, I dont think it is entirely because of satellites.  Ukraine may have been given sat images of stationary targets and groupings that didn't move for days so thats a possibility at best.

    Think for a moment of the Space based resources the US put into this war:

    Starlink
    Maxar
    Blacksky
    Planet labs
    Orbital Insight

    All these got contracts from Defense innovation Unit, the DOD startup responsible for funding "commercial spy sats"

    You think CNN was coincidentally on the ground February 24?

    Its pretty funny to read these threads going on about a tactical system for sure

    When entire constellations of spy sats are roving the Black sea and Ukraine at all times

    Trust me, it ain't mines keeping BSF from landing in Odessa




    It has worked on both sides honestly. Russia has employed private companies of their own with their imaging sats (yes, they are to monitor environment but we all know they are dual purpose).

    I am supposing there is a reason why they moved their laser system to this conflict now as well - to blind those sats.

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    Post  Vann7 Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:56 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:

    And imbeciles rave about some little drones


    Who are the imbeciles now ?

    Those that brag about 150km world records interceptions of s-400s but then can't intercept low
    flying hellicopters and baykatar drones bombing russian cities with impunity deep inside russian territory?


    Those little drones ,that you for pure massive ignorance downplay have destroyed hundreds of tanks and armor in many russian convoys ,sent without air cover  , russian fuel depots, russian command centers  mudering your generals, either by direct strikes or by guiding artillery and they also can be used to target your soviet era destroyers their ammo , to cause "accidental fires" in russian navy ,
    that ends sinking those warships to the button of the sea.

    If you have no clue about military hardware and tactics , then don't claim to know
    about it , because is obvious you don't.


    The "air superiority of Russia " that you claim , russian airforce have , showing how they sent their
    convoys of tanks without protection at certain death.  



    Why your military airforce , don't provide air support and protection to your tank convoys ,
    from this is  little drones  that constantly helps ukros artillery to kill your tanks convoys is the question , neither you or anyone have been able to answer.  No

    no manpads in russian army to target low flying drones that can guide ukro artillery, no airforce protection either to shut down quickly those baykatars that also used to guide artillery. this is
    russian military 3dchess tactics , send your armor alone and pray no drones patrolling the area.

    speaking about propaganda ,yeah "Accidental detonation of ammunition" , cause of the sinking of the mosca destroyer, you have to be incredibly detached for reality ,for not seeing how nato drones plays a very important role in the destruction of russian armor and killing of russian soldiers , including the destruction and damage of a dozen of russian navy warships in the black sea.


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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jun 01, 2022 6:04 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:S500s haven't even been produced yet

    Nor are the other weapons you claimed in production, You have a very bad habit of lying Ark.

    Pre production S-500 are integrated into the Moscow ABM network and I read over the past couple of weeks that it is now in full production.

    Mind you there isn't much use for it yet. Thankfully.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Jun 01, 2022 6:07 pm

    You don't either Vann so I wouldn't talk as if you know any better lol! your a second rate armchair expert with no actual combat experience, and what makes you annoying is the fact you act like you are some tactical mastermind, Ark BS's a lot sure but you BS far worse.

    "Those that brag about 150km world records interceptions of s-400s but then can't intercept low
    flying hellicopters and baykatar drones smashing their cities?"

    take this for example you're a dam clown for saying something so stupid, It's not the role of the S400 to take down choppers or drones.

    Also your even dumber for saying this

    "Why your military airforce, don't provide air support and protection to your tank convoys"

    Literally, no airforce is going to have planes up in the air 24/7 its up to the AD to deal with the drones, systems like TOR etc that is what they are designed for. You not nothing about tactics or the operational realities of war instead you just spout ignorant clueless BS you read online, again your a fool and that's why no one takes anything you say seriously.

    Best thing I can say about you is you aren't a circle jerk boy who ignores and makes excuses for the areas the Russians have displayed some incompetence in like Garry and Ark.

    But you take those eexamplesand you blow them up while trying to make yourself seem like some master of war when you're just a moron behind a screen. That's IMO what everyone finds utterly sickening about you

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Jun 01, 2022 6:09 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:S500s haven't even been produced yet

    Nor are the other weapons you claimed in production, You have a very bad habit of lying Ark.

    Pre production S-500 are integrated into the Moscow ABM network and I read over the past couple of weeks that it is now in full production.

    Mind you there isn't much use for it yet. Thankfully.

    You do know what pre-production means right? it means prototype status etc after the design phase is done but then they have to go about building it, making sure it works.

    So no not in production at best prototype stage
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jun 01, 2022 6:11 pm

    Neil Hauer
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    Exchanging messages with a Ukrainian soldier I met in Sloviansk a week or two ago. He and his unit were fighting in Lyman.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Jun 01, 2022 6:12 pm

    That could easily be fake, there is no way to confirm such a thing.

    Perhaps when posting things like this post with it said information is unconfirmed and can be false.

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    Post  Arrow Wed Jun 01, 2022 6:13 pm

    design phase is done but then they have to go about building it, making sure it works. So no not in production at best prototype stage wrote:

    Russia has been testing the S-500 prototypes for many years. The S-500 is now a fully-fledged ABM system. One complex is already in service.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jun 01, 2022 6:18 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Neil Hauer
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    Exchanging messages with a Ukrainian soldier I met in Sloviansk a week or two ago. He and his unit were fighting in Lyman.

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    Whether fake or not I cannot know

    What I do know,  is that something has changed radically in Ukrainian combat capability

    Personally after those high level talks between Milley and Gerasimov I am of the belief that US recon assets were waived off

    That would explain the uncoordinated VSU reactions in Donetsk

    Whereas in Kiev they were Johnny on the spot

    In donetsk, they can't get it together

    Me think that Shoigu in no uncertain words told Lloyd that a serious retaliation were to occur if Russia found US recon assets coordinating attacks on Russian troops

    Then we have to assume Bidens words about ATACMS deliveries being off the table at face value

    Someone told the Pentagon that if they continued to supply live feeds of Russia to Ukraine, that a nasty test would occur on those assets and the command centers operating them

    And when MOD says command center, it's not talking about Zelensky lmao

    In fact I haven't seen a decent MAXAR image since mid March ,

    So something for sure went down at high levels about this BROSINT madness

    Now all Rob Lee and Reddit updoots guys post about is tactical level crap

    The sat imagery has stopped

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    Post  Hole Wed Jun 01, 2022 6:20 pm

    Despite all those C4ISR assets NATO has at best a blurry picture of that conflict. There are ECM systems and false targets (tanks and AD systems made of rubber) everywhere.
    The Russian Army is very good at this. They´re feeding the west with falsified or wrong information all the time.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jun 01, 2022 6:26 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:S500s haven't even been produced yet

    Nor are the other weapons you claimed in production, You have a very bad habit of lying Ark.

    Pre production S-500 are integrated into the Moscow ABM network and I read over the past couple of weeks that it is now in full production.

    Mind you there isn't much use for it yet. Thankfully.

    You do know what pre-production means right? it means prototype status etc after the design phase is done but then they have to go about building it, making sure it works.

    So no not in production at best prototype stage

    Of course I do. In Russia it tends to mean the batch that goes into the military for final testing. After passing its tests it can be released for production. It was those test units, as I understood it, but you might be able to provide a better source, that were added to the A-135 batteries last autumn.

    On May 18 the Deputy PM said that they were arrining with the troops.

    Found this in the S-500 thread.


    MOSCOW, October 13. /TASS/. The first regiment of Russia’s advanced S-500 air defense systems has been delivered to a military unit guarding the airspace of the Russian capital Moscow, a source close to the Russian Defense Ministry has told TASS.

    "The first regiment of the S-500 air defense systems has entered service with a unit, whose combat duty is to guard and defend the airspace above the capital of the country," he said, without specifying the military unit and the date when the systems entered service.

    The airspace above the Russian capital and the Central Industrial District is guarded by the 15th Aerospace Forces Army (Special Purpose).


    Moscow. April 25. Almaz-Antey is mass-producing a new generation of S-500 air defense systems, the concern's General Director Jan Novikov has said.

    "Currently, mass production of the S-500 system is organized using the latest achievements of domestic science and technology. The combat capabilities of this system significantly exceed the capabilities of previously created air defense systems and SAMs. The S-500 is capable of becoming the basis of the Russian aerospace defense system. It will be delivered to the troops within the time limits set by the state defense order, " Novikov said in an interview with the National Defense magazine.


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