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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #17

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    Post  JohninMK Wed May 25, 2022 12:59 am

    Ispan wrote:Extense briefing today, with observation and analysis from different commentators, and some comments by myself, news and other stuff

    Confirmed, a few hundred prisoners taken at Liman, and Ukrainian morale is cracking

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/05/24/parte-de-guerra-24-05-2022-informe-especial/

    YESTERDAY 23 May

    Observations and reflections of a war correspondent on the Izyum front, very interesting and oozing sarcasm and black humor of a veteran soldier. I have taken some licenses with the translation to make it read better.

    https://t.me/vysokygovorit

    Judging by the news coming in today, the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine began to crumble. I predicted this a couple of days ago, but based on purely subjective feelings. Heavy losses, the failure of numerous counteroffensives promised by Arestovich and other Ukrainian asshole politicians, constantly being under fire from Russian artillery, missile systems and aircraft, ultimately, should lead to the complete exhaustion of Ukrainian troops.

    Despite the fact that the Ukrainian army has numerous forces on the Donetsk front, and fortified areas and general geography contribute to long-term defense, the above factors cause terrible war fatigue. I know for myself how unpleasant it is when several times a day they announce an alert of missile attackye, and the enemy's cannon and rocket artillery do not allow you to relax, what to say about what the enemy must suffer

    The air defense system saves us from the danger of missiles, but after such a warning (if we have one at all), we have to collect the remains of our less fortunate comrades in boxes.

    The collapse of the Ukrainian defensive line in the Severodonetsk area does not yet mean victory in the war, but it will be a very hard blow both to the Ukrainian Forces themselves and to the national myth about the developing war against Russia, in which Ukraine, if not wins, then at least does not lose.

    Many people are rightly interested in what is happening on the border of the Kharkov and Belgorod regions, where the Ukrainian army has been making counteroffensive attempts for 2 weeks. In the settlement of Ternovaya (a village in the Kharkiv region), the capture of which Kiev reported several times, the Ukrainians attacked today once again, with forces up to a rifle company in armored. As expected, the attack was stopped, the enemy lost a couple of dozen dead and wounded soldiers and went home.

    The enemy's abandonment of the city of Svitlodarsk without a fight indicates that the entire defensive line in the Donbas is beginning to crumble. Once again, I would like to reproach those who demanded swift cavalry charges and were outraged that the offensive is going slowly. As I wrote, the general situation is not a Verdun of the 1916 year (at least for the Russian army).

    The tactics of crushing the enemy's troops turned out to be correct. Heavy losses and endless attacks had a very significant impact on the morale of the Ukrainian army, and the bluster of the Kiev authorities about peremoga

    (Translator's note: "peremoga" in Ukrainian: victoria. Translated into human: fantasy, delirium)

    they further demoralized the Ukrainian soldiers, who feel that the war is going badly in their guts (if their guts have not already been scattered on the asphalt) and see the losses they suffer by counting the graves of their comrades.

    Now the enemy will probably try to establish itself in the fortified Slavyano-Kramatorsk area so that the Kharkov-Sumy group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has time to demonstrate at least some success in its widely announced offensive operation (so far, this group of troops is unsuccessful).

    The liberation of Svitlodarsk is a vivid example of how troops should act under the threat of encirclement. In fact, the Ukrainians left the city without a fight, around which fortifications were built for seven years after the Debaltsevo "peremoga".

    They completed the combat mission to the end and evacuated to save people's lives. Not as flashy as the Azov fighters did in Mariupol, but also very brave and timely.

    The Severodonetsk and Lisichansk garrisons should pay attention to the experience of their southern neighbors.

    TODAY 24 May - General situation -12:00 hours - Igor Strelkov

    After the entire Donetsk group could not be surrounded, the command of the Russian troops and the Armed Forces of the LDNR (it is, of course, united) made a forced decision to "expel" the enemy from the Donbass. The main efforts were transferred from the Slavyansk-Barvenkovsky direction to Krasny Liman and Severodonetsk-Lisichank, as well as to the Svitlodarsk and Avdeyevka arc. Due to the fact that parts of the Russian Armed Forces, the LDNR Armed Forces and the Wagner group managed to break through the front near Popasna and take the city, the offensive is developing slowly, but with relative success. Apparently, the Ukrainian command began to withdraw troops from the "pockets" formed in the Liman and Severodonetsk-Lisichansk area.
    In particular, the enemy abandons his heavily fortified outpost in the Zolotoe-Orekhovo area (southeast of Lisichansk), which is already threatened with encirclement, and also gradually (fighting) retreats to Severodonetsk, abandons (or has already left) from Svitlodarsk. Ukrainian troops withdrew also with rearguard actions) from the Liman area
    Apparently, the main line of defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has now been moved to the Seversk – Bakhmut (Artemovsk) – Soledar line, and the formed salient will soon be evacuated. At the same time, the enemy continues to cling to all these points by the forces of those units and formations that are on the front line there and only stopped sending them reserves to save them for future battles, avoiding exposing them to concentrated artillery and Russian aircraft attacks on the "pockets".

    In addition, according to local reports, enemy resistance has noticeably weakened in the area north of Avdeyevka. Yesterday, the units of the DPR Armed Forces arrived on the northern outskirts of Avdeyevka, reaching the railway line on the outskirts of the city, but they have not yet entered the development. The enemy has stopped fighting hard for every position, although his artillery continues to fire massively and accurately.



    10:15

    "Heavy fighting is taking place in the area of Avdeyevka, Gorlovka and Mayrinka against the forces of Ukraine" - Basurin, the spokesman of the DPR militia,

    13:00 Avdeyevka - Cassad

    Basurin announced that they would not storm Avdeyevka head-on, but would bypass and block it. The right decision. Hitting the fortified area of Avdiivka is a dubious decision. It is much more promising to bypass Avdiivka from the north, gradually breaking through the enemy's defenses in the direction of the Orlovka-Avdiivka highway in order to deprive the enemy of supply channels.

    Note: Apparently after four score attacks rejected yesterday and another one this morning, it has been wisely decided that it is better to flank the population and bag it while still hammering with artillery and aviation.

    14:25 - Cassad

    About the situation in the Artyomovsk area.

    1. Despite some panic statements in Ukrainian chat rooms about the assault on Artemivsk, the city has not yet been stormed. Russian troops are 15-20 kilometers from the city, which is already within range of Russian artillery, in addition to occasional rocket attacks. So far, shelling is being carried out against personnel and armored concentrations and fortifications.

    2. The road from Artemivsk to Lisichansk has not yet been physically cut off, but north of Soledar it is already under partial fire control of the Russian Armed Forces, which undoubtedly affects the process of supplying the Severodonetsk group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The command of the Ukrainian army has not given an order to withdraw from Severodonetsk, following the example of Svitlodarsk - There is a high probability that part of the group will sacrifice itself in the same way as the Mariupol group sacrificed itself.

    3. As for the advance to Artemovsk, our troops have not yet taken Pilipchatino. But to the northwest, the fighting is already close to the outskirts of Soledar. Also today, we received reports that our troops have taken Vozrozhdenie and Roti (there are no photos and videos yet).



    Note: Apparently after four score attacks rejected yesterday and another one this morning, it has been wisely decided that it is better to flank the population and bag it while still hammering with artillery and aviation.



    Detailed map of how things are developing in the East direction now:

    – As a result of the offensive west of Popasnaya, the Allied forces cut off the Vakhmut-Lisichansk route;

    - - Forcing the armed forces of Ukraine to withdraw from Svetlodarsk, the Allied forces surrounded the Mironovskoye reservoir, occupied the village of Vidrogennya and found themselves less than 15 km from Bakhmut (Artemovsk);

    - In the North, the Allied forces are developing an assault on Liman

    18:00

    https://t.me/RVvoenkor

    Russian troops with the support of artillery and aviation continue to storm Krasny Liman in the DPR. The advance is substantial: more than half of the city is occupied, and Ukrainian forces are gradually retreating into the southern part of the city.
    Initial information about hundreds of captured soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is confirmed.

    "Prisoners of the 79 Amphibious Assault Brigade, 24 Mechanized Brigade, 128 Mountain Assault Brigade and a large number of territorial. There are also reports of captured Nazis from the national battalion "Donbass".

    There is no exact number yet, but it is actually close to 500. At least more than 200 have already been sent to places of detention, and even more than those who have not yet been handed over," our comrades report from the place.



    The Battle for Krasny Liman

    18:00 on May 24, 2022

    Videos of the artillery preparation

    https://t.me/sashakots/33026

    https://t.me/RVvoenkor/13452



    1-On the morning of May 23, the Allied forces began the assault on Liman: Both sides had been preparing for the siege of the city. The Ukrainian Armed Forces carried out provocations, blew up bridges and mined infrastructure facilities, and the Russian Armed Forces cleared the forested areas and brought in reserves.

    2 - Allied troops entered the city from the settlements of Drobyshevo and Stavki. In the course of the day, the northern districts of Lima were liberated.

    3 - On May 24, the Zeleny Klin microdistrict was taken. The Ukrainian Armed Forces were driven out of the adjacent forests in the direction of Shchurovo, where fighting is also now taking place

    4-Fierce battles are being fought on Independence Street (formerly Frunze), where the Liman administrative area is located. The main defensive stronghold of the Ukrainian army is based on the railway complex and the industrial zone of the station

    5-Enemy artillery is cannonading from its positions in the mountains of gypsum deposits near the settlement of Raygorodok.

    21:45 hours - war correspondent Yuri Kotenok

    Russian troops are advancing on the boundaries of the city of Krasny Liman, suppressing the enemy's pockets of resistance, the actions of which show a sense of doom. Reinforcements cannot arrive, and the defense of the city given the advance of the Russian army is meaningless.

    In the afternoon scattered enemy groups tried to respond in the hangar area, but this fire is ineffective, the Ukrainian firing positions are soon eliminated.

    The prisoners say that the commanders of individual units of the Ukrainian army in the Liman area are tasked with breaking through in the direction of Slavyansk, where they will meet the rest of the Ukrainian forces.

    Morale in the Ukrainian units is depressed. The commanders see no prospects for continuing resistance in conditions where the strong points are isolated from the main defense forces, deprived of communication and control.

    Summary of the day May 24 - Colonel Cassad (Boris Rozhin)

    Note: my comments in italics

    1. Svitlodarsk.
    Today, the entire Svitlodarsk arch collapsed. The fortified front that existed for 7 years disappeared in 1 day. The troops liberated Svitlodarsk and Luhansk. The enemy still has Novoluganskoye, but there are signs of preparations for further troop withdrawal. The enemy also lost the villages of Vozrozhdenie and Roty. Artemivsk is 15-20 kilometers away.

    (excellent news, one of the strongest fortified positions of the Donbass front has fallen without a fight, own and civilian lives are saved and by eliminating this salient the front is shortened which frees forces for other missions)

    2. Artemivsk.
    There is no assault on the city yet, although the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces near the city are already being shelled by our artillery. The enemy is preparing the city for defense, and is also trying to hold on to Pilipchatino (bad, the advance has stopped here, although it seems that one has the upper hand), preparing to retreat to Pokrovsky, where they are preparing for a longer defense.

    (Artemovsk will be a tough nut to crack, because the famous salt mines make it possible to protect ammunition and weapons depots from shelling)

    3. Soledar.
    The fighting continued on Novaya Kamenka, Stryapovka and in the direction of Yakovlevka. There is no assault on Soledar yet. The road north of Soledar is being shelled more and more by artillery. The enemy recognizes the supply problems, but continues to use the Soledar-Lisichansk highway.

    (good news, the supply line of the Lisichansk group is getting more and more precarious)

    4. Avdeyevka.
    The DPR army announced that it will not assault Avdiivka head-on, but will occupy it by bypassing and blocking Avdiivka. Now fighting is taking place in the area of Kamenka, Novselovka-2 and Krasnogorovka. Fighting is also continuing on the outskirts of New York.

    (bad news, failure in the assault on Avdeyevka and fighting in the same places for days, if not weeks, indicating that the Ukrainians counterattack)

    5. Gorskoe-Zolotoe.
    The clearing of Kamyshevakha and fighting on the southern outskirts of Zolotoye continues. Fighting is also continuing in Toshkovka. It is reported that our troops occupied Lipoyo. The enemy's position in the Gorsko-Zolotoye fortified area worsened again.

    (Toshkovka bad news, the resistance in this population is very fierce, it should have been taken by now, the other is good, a pocket is forming in Zolotoye)

    6. Severodonetsk.
    Fighting continues on the outskirts of the city. The enemy also reports the resumption of intense fighting near Belogorovka, implying that the Russian Armed Forces have accumulated forces across the Seversky Donets River to resume fighting for the village. The loss of Belogorovka threatens to quickly isolate Severdonetsk and Lisichansk from the main group.

    (this confirms that the Russians really did not suffer so many losses in the passage of the river and had managed to establish a bridgehead, but the lack of news these days indicated that consolidating and reinforcing the bridgehead took time.)

    7. Slavyansk.
    During the day, the battles for Krasny Liman continued. More than half of the city has been liberated. The enemy suffered heavy losses in killed and prisoners. We can expect that the remnants of the Ukrainian forces in Krasny Liman will soon retreat to the other side of the Seversky Donets River. Most likely, Krasny Liman will be taken within 1-3 days.

    (it seems that the forces at Liman were greater than the estimated thousand men. I don't know how they will be able to retreat to the other side of the river if the bridges have been blown up, although soldiers can still cross on foot through the wreckage)

    8. Izyum.
    Fighting continued in the area of Kamyshevakha, Dolgenky and Kurulka. The enemy notes that the Russian Armed Forces are now accumulating forces in this direction to develop the offensive (20 thousand men). Attempts at counterattacks by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the flank of the Izyum group were unsuccessful.

    (the fact that as in the front of Zaporozhye-Donetsk progress has been stopped for weeks in a line of people without any natural obstacle, and the fighting is fierce indicates two things: the lack of strength to break the front, and the large number of troops and material that the enemy has sent these two critical points, to avoid the siege of the bag of Donetsk)

    9. Kharkiv.
    The fighting continued on the LazachayaLopan, Liptsy, Ternovaya, Rubezhnoye lines. In general, there are predominant trends towards stabilization in a struggle of positions.

    10. Marinka, Zaporozhe, Ugledar, Nikolaevand Odessa, no novelty.
    In the medium term, it is expected to intensify military operations in the Zaporozhe and Nikolayev directions, as well as new attempts by Ukraine to attack the island of Zmeiny.

    Other news and reports

    Photos of the fields filled with funnels of shells in the Kharkov region

    https://t.me/anna_news/32883

    Reports of casualties and morale of the Ukrainian army

    The Armed Forces of Ukraine have lost 40-60% of their trained personnel, reservists are being recruited to replace them without proper selection, and morale is falling. Only 40% of the fighters have bulletproof vests, and every second person received a helmet. This became known from a Ukrainian reference obtained (and translated) by Russian intelligence.

    The report, written to the deputy head of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Yevhen Moisyuk, says that recruits are deceived, they are assured: they will serve in territorial defense. And when they enter the army they are inadequate. As a result, 30% of Ukrainian soldiers are unfit for service.

    Another of the problems - the lack of instructions for the soldiers, the mastery of the air of Russian aviation, losses from shelling and lack of ammunition. Separately, they report the "uncertainty" in their ability to complete the task and the probable "numerical advantage" of the Russian troops

    Collective insubordination: soldiers of another Ukrainian brigade refuse to fight

    Every day, the Ukrainian army is increasingly refusing to enter the battlefield unarmed against the cannons and howitzers of the Russian Armed Forces. Elements of several brigades have videotaped protests and refuse to go to the front. A group of mutineers from the 115th Territorial Brigade has already been arrested for desertion.

    https://topwar.ru/196741-soldat-115-j-brigady-vsu-zapisavshih-videoobraschenie-k-zelenskomu-otpravili-v-sizo.html

    Note: Today the spokesman of the Donetsk militia reported that over the past 4 days, 50 paratroopers have joined our ranks in the Gorlovka area and two platoons of the 115th Brigade dropped their weapons and deserted in the Avdeyevka area.



    Servicemen of the 71st Jaeger Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were sent to the front without fire support. Then the soldiers considered the order "criminal" and abandoned their positions.

    "Armed only with rifles, we have to resist the cannons, the rockets, the mortars. No one is helping us, we have no heavy weapons, we have nothing. How can we fight for a country that doesn't care about us?", says a fighter

    "We don't want to go to the meat grinder! We have no tanks, no armor, no guns," complains another.

    At the end of the appeal, the soldiers added that they have only a couple of dozen mortars, that half of them do not work.

    Postscript: So far the riots have occurred in the following units

    58th motorized infantry brigade
    14 brigade
    115th territorial brigade
    101st brigade
    25th airborne brigade
    79th Airborne Assault Brigade

    71st Jaeger Brigade

    And today the parliament of Ukraine had to withdraw before the protests the bill to authorize officers to summary executions to avoid escapes and surrenders.

    Statements by Defense Minister Shoigu

    ▪ Shoigu took part in a meeting of the Council of Defense Ministers of the CSTO, the parties discussed the situation in the area of responsibility of the organization;

    ▪ The situation in the Eastern European region has significantly worsened;

    ▪ The United States has taken a course to completely dismantle the existing international security architecture;

    ▪ The US research on biological programs in Ukraine was carried out secretly, in violation of international obligations;

    ▪ Fearing the defeat of the Ukrainian troops, the West urgently organized the supply of weapons;

    ▪ The number of foreign mercenaries in Ukraine has exceeded six thousand people, military advisers and mercenaries are being sent to the country;

    ▪ The West refuses to recognize the numerous facts of torture and brutal murders of Russian prisoners of war;

    ▪ Russian troops, unlike the Ukrainian Armed Forces, do not attack civilian infrastructure where civilians may be located;

    ▪ The special operation in Ukraine will continue until the tasks are fully completed, despite the sanctions and large-scale assistance to Kiev from the West;

    ▪ There is a real threat that Ukraine will create nuclear weapons and their delivery systems;

    ▪ The West is purposefully working to undermine relations between the CSTO countries, and Russia's allies are under serious pressure.

    ▪ It is necessary to improve the collective forces of the CSTO, as well as the decision-making mechanisms within the organization;

    ▪ Russia will continue to provide the necessary assistance to its allies to neutralize emerging threats and defend its sovereignty.

    New missile drones for Ukraine

    Telegram Channel "Older Than Eddy" @vysokygovorit

    The report on the appearance of the first Reaper unmanned aerial vehicles in Ukraine, answers the question of who and how will transport the British Brimstone missiles delivered to Ukraine.

    The threat, of course, will increase - Reaper is a much more serious weapon than Bayraktar. But you can fight him, and in the same Libya, the anti-aircraft "Pantsir" have already shot them down. The Ukrainian army will not be able to change the course of the war with the help of drones: for this scale of battles, hundreds of them are needed in combination with other means, and putting them into operation in such a number will entail a corresponding Russian reaction, given that the Russian Armed Forces do not use all their capabilities in battles.

    In general, we can say that now comes a very interesting time: after you have exhausted your own reservations (and other countries) of soviet weapons, the West will be forced to shift to supply their own weapons and discover that lots relatively limited systems that are not the newest (the same as the M777) are nothing more than a drop in the bucket, and for a decisive success it is necessary to provide quality material to new, and, most importantly, in sufficient quantity. Reaper is a new system compared to the one that Ukraine already has. But for the result, it will be necessary to send their entire fleet, which the US Air Force currently has, and then without guarantees: they will also need the appropriate quantities of everything else.

    And here two questions immediately arise: a) is the West ready to make deliveries of this scale? b) since the Ukrainians will not be able to handle so many weapons on their own, are you ready to intervene in combat operations on your own?

    So far, the answer to both questions is quite negative, and as the success of the Russian army develops, the desire to get involved in combat will decrease: a direct clash with Russia remains a politically unacceptable development for both the USA and its allies.

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    Post  caveat emptor Wed May 25, 2022 1:01 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:So after news of Russians running out of missiles, now there goes one Russians running out of tanks and start bringing reserved T-62's.

    How far the news will go i wonder ?

    As fas as they need them to go, to successfully engineer public opinion  in the west.
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    Post  caveat emptor Wed May 25, 2022 1:57 am

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed May 25, 2022 2:39 am

    flamming_python wrote:He can celebrate the imaginary death of 27000 Russians all he wants to

    Still not going to change the facts on the ground

    Highlighted the important part...

    Imagining huge losses on the Russian military isn't going to make it reality.  Maybe this is a roll-out of the US new revolutionary low-cost war-fighting strategy?  Imagine your enemy to death...   Razz

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    Post  Krepost Wed May 25, 2022 3:26 am

    Hole wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Just a picture of Snake Island that isn't straight down Laughing

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #17 - Page 6 Snake-islalnd

    Would be nice to launch Uran-M missiles from there against targets around Odessa. Cool

    No need for expensive guided missiles.
    The mainland is within reach of Smerch MLRS rockets.
    Place a couple of launchers here and you have the whole southwestern part of Ukraine neighboring Moldova under cover.

    As for Odessa city, it is too far from Snake Island. It is covered from Crimea itself.

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    Post  GarryB Wed May 25, 2022 4:17 am

    What are you, Vann7, slave or gay or both ?

    His sexuality is not really relevant, and of no business to anyone on this forum except himself.

    If you want to discuss such things you can start a thread but no one is obliged to read such a thread or to respond to such questions.

    Sexual preferences are personal and most keep such things private.

    The fact that he is just repeating western propaganda is not effected by his choice of sexual partner.

    If he has found work on a western troll farm then they probably get a badge and a pay increase if they get called a nazi or an alphabet person because such things seem to be popular in the west at the moment, so if he is who you accuse him to be he probably wont be upset.

    He probably thinks his repeating western propaganda is providing balance to this forum... some Ying for your Yang, but repeating enemy propaganda is not balance and is not about improving Russia or making it stronger.

    Let's exclude for a moment all those "analysts" from the West ... You know what bothers me the most ? That overnight in the West they began to write Kyiv instead of KIEV, Kharkiv instead of KHARKOV, Mikolayiv instead of NIKOLAEV, Zaporizhzhia instead of Zaporozhye, etc ..

    A great way to spot the trolls really... they have to use their own jargon... surprised we have not seen Kosovo converted to Kosova or something.

    Yes, the failures over the Ukraine since 2000 were arguably hard to avoid, but nevertheless are his responsibility

    The west is responsible. The western world would love you to fire Putin because of what they have done.... this is why they are doing it... to weaken Russia and get rid of Putin.

    To give an example - Putin started weaning Russia away from the Ukraine before the Maidan events; but continued even though Yanukovich was still in power. Even though this import-substitution was still low-key and done in a half-assed way - which raises the question as to what was the point of such a half-measure. But it's symbolic of the wider Russian approach. Too afraid to go all in either way. Either completely back Yanukovich and the pro-Russian forces in the Ukraine (in as far as they were even pro-Russian as such, they were still the best Russia could hope for there) and integrate the Ukraine to the maximum amount, or ditch all pro-Russian forces in the Ukraine well ahead of time - back when the first color revolution occurred in 2004.
    Russia couldn't decide on what option, chose something in the middle, and ended up with the worst of both worlds.

    Wow it must be amazing to be so fucking intelligent... have you never heard of hedging your bets?

    If Putin had gone all out and supported Yanukovich would that have stopped the coup from happening or made it happen earlier?

    You can give an opinion on that but you can't say for sure... no one can.

    More importantly Yanukovich was not pro Russian anyway... he was just not as anti Russian as the others... your dream of a best buds friendly Ukraine are amusing because half of them are arsehole bludgers that love all the money coming from Russia for substandard rocket parts and helicopter engines and ships propulsion systems... Russia is honestly better off without them.

    Crimea is Russia and this current conflict is solving their water issues, but Russia does not need all of the Ukraine to baby sit and bring up because the north and west will always be a teenager that is rebelling and thinks they know better.  Fund their comfortable lifestyle and don't tell them what to do...

    Russia does not need that.

    But any chance to blame Putin right?

    I agree it might be necessary to get rid of the Ukrainian state at least temporarily with an occupation zone. Sooner or later people will demand one again though, or else what you'll find is that Ukrainians in the former Ukrainian territories will try to vote in some Sobchak. Who needs that problem? Better they should have their own state and their own sovereignty and make their own decisions, main thing is that they don't invite foreign military bases onto their soil or anything else that can threaten Russia.

    Well lets use international precedent... if the Palestinians don't need a Palestine then why would Ukrainians need a Ukraine?

    Every single problem Russia faces today directly stem from commie failures

    Why blame the political system... it was up to Stalin and he made his choices.

    No need for expensive guided missiles.
    The mainland is within reach of Smerch MLRS rockets.
    Place a couple of launchers here and you have the whole southwestern part of Ukraine neighboring Moldova under cover.

    As for Odessa city, it is too far from Snake Island. It is covered from Crimea itself.

    The problem is that anything you place there would be vulnerable to return fire from the coast... and not so much territory to run and hide on the Island.

    BTW I read an article on RT about Kissenger stating that the west only has two to three months to talk this out with Russia before it is too late and Russian western relations are destroyed forever... personally I think that ship has sailed...

    https://www.rt.com/news/555994-kissinger-ukraine-peace-deadline/

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    Post  GarryB Wed May 25, 2022 4:22 am

    Note in that Kissenger article he says:

    He recalled that, eight years ago, when the Ukrainian crisis was launched with an armed coup in Kiev, he advocated for Ukraine to become a neutral state and a “bridge between Russia and Europe rather than… a frontline of groupings within Europe.”

    Which just shows his opinion holds no sway with the powers that be or those in office since...

    Interesting that he seems to be blaming Kiev for this... pretending Kiev got any choice at all...

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    Post  Scorpius Wed May 25, 2022 7:50 am

    The CIA added two stars to its "wall of fallen heroes" after the fall of Mariupol. This is, of course, a coincidence.
    https://t.me/indeec1937/6290

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    Post  crod Wed May 25, 2022 8:49 am

    Scorpius wrote:The CIA added two stars to its "wall of fallen heroes" after the fall of Mariupol. This is, of course, a coincidence.
    https://t.me/indeec1937/6290

    Is there a previous and dated pic pre this one to show 2 less stars and a timeframe? That would be helpful with analysis etc.

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    Post  Hinex1988 Wed May 25, 2022 10:19 am

    ⚡Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫Demining and demilitarization of the seaport in the Donetsk People's Republic's Mariupol city, liberated from Ukrainian militants, has been completed and is now operating on a daily basis.

    ▫The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

    💥High-precision long-range air- and sea-based missiles in Zaporozhye have destroyed the production facilities of Motor Sich plant, which produced aircraft engines for combat aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force, including UAVs.

    ▫In addition, units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces reserve deployed to reinforce the grouping of Ukrainian troops in Donbass have been destroyed near Pokrovskoe railway station in Dnepropetrovsk Region.

    💥High-precision air-based missiles have hit 3 command posts, including 1 command post of the 14th Mechanised Brigade and 1 communications hub in Vrubovka and Bakhmut, 1 AFU radio technical centre near Dneprovskoe, Nikolaev Region, 1 logistics centre of the 72nd Motorised Infantry Brigade near Soledar, 2 fuel bases in Kovyagin and Bezlyudovka, Kharkov Region, 2 air defence radar posts and military equipment at a storage base near Bakhmut, and 16 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration, during the day.

    ✈💥Operational-tactical and army aviation have hit 2 missile-artillery weapons and ammunition depots near Dolina in Kharkov Region and Posad-Pokrovskoe in Nikolaev Region, the territorial defence headquarters in Soledar and 46 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration.

    ▫The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 300 nationalists and up to 46 armoured and motor vehicles.

    💥Russian air defence means have shot down 1 Mi-8 helicopter of the Ukrainian Air Force over Barmashovo, Nikolaev Region.

    ▫Also, 11 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles have been shot down in the air near Snake Island, Glubokoe, Pershotravnevoe, Bolshie Prokhody, Kharkiv Region, and Verhnetoretskoe, Stavki, Terny, including 1 Bayraktar TB-2 near Shandrigolovo, Donetsk People's Republic.

    💥Missile troops and artillery have hit 51 command posts, 385 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration, as well as 53 artillery and mortar units at firing positions.

    📊In total, 178 Ukrainian airplanes and 126 helicopters, 1,006 unmanned aerial vehicles, 322 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,258 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 430 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,671 field artillery and mortars, as well as 3,155 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

    #MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed May 25, 2022 10:22 am

    RIA Novosti; 10:09 05/25/2022 (updated: 11:09 05/25/2022)


    LNR forces liberated Luganskoye
    The people's militia of the LPR announced the release of Luganskoye


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    LUGANSK, May 25 - RIA Novosti. The forces of the Lugansk People's Republic have liberated four settlements over the past day, according to the statement of the official representative of the People's Militia of the LPR, Ivan Filiponenko, on the situation on May 25.
    "The liberation march of the People's Militia continues, so yesterday the units of the defense department liberated the settlements of Svetlodarsk, Luganskoye, Mironovsky and Toshkovka," the publication on the department's Telegram channel says.

    On the eve of the capture of Svetlodarsk under operational control, the People's Militia of the Donetsk People's Republic also reported. The Russian flag was raised on the City Hall building. One of the largest thermal power plants in Europe, the Uglegorsk TPP, is located in this city.

    Luganskoye is a fairly large village in the vicinity of Svetlodarsk. In addition, this is an important point in the attack on Artemovsk, now Bakhmut.
    In a video recording made in Toshkovka, Filiponenko showed empty ammunition boxes left at the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, pointing to their foreign markings.

    https://ria.ru/20220525/donbass-1790547813.html

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    Post  Stealthflanker Wed May 25, 2022 10:49 am

    Hinex1988 wrote:
    💥High-precision long-range air- and sea-based missiles in Zaporozhye have destroyed the production facilities of Motor Sich plant, which produced aircraft engines for combat aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force, including UAVs.

    :
    #MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
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    RIP D-18T and friends i guess. Turkish gonna need to find alternate sources for their TB-2 engines.

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    Post  GarryB Wed May 25, 2022 10:51 am

    facts and opinions are welcome.. bullshit excuses is the problem..

    So you can post anything you like as long as Putin is to blame and it is OK.

    Thanks for that opinion Vann, but please understand that not all of us are interested in blaming everything on Putin and ignoring the vital role the leaders and super rich in the rest have played in all of this.

    This game didn't start any time recently, but it looks like Putin is going to end it which is why the west is so scared.

    Kremlin has relaxed age restrictions. Even people over 40 can now join the Russian military. So why is the Russia strong crowd of this forum not grabbing this opportunity with both hands? Of course .... how will they....these people are residing in the West.

    People in the west would be of little use to the Russian army, but will be more use in the west pointing out the lies our supposedly free media spout and the bad decisions all our political parties are making.

    In the US all these shootings... how long before gun bans start happening and the democrats start seizing fire arms to make everyone safer...

    Sounds like a civil war to me... but I am sure they will take it a step further and make it about race instead of wealth inequality which is the real problem in the west.

    The ability of the most wealthy to control the west by owning the media and buying politicians in both political parties... normally there are only two in the west... the left leaning democrats or Labour or whatever they are called are normally very centre of the road on most things and liberal in some others like abortion and death penalties, while the other party frames itself as more conservative, but really are the same middle of the road idiots with opposite views on abortion and the death penalty.

    Normally one gets in and stays in for a while and screws everything up so bad the other side start to look good so you vote them in and they are awful too...

    But you are free because every 4 to 7 years you get to vote... Rolling Eyes

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    Post  GarryB Wed May 25, 2022 10:53 am

    RIP D-18T and friends i guess. Turkish gonna need to find alternate sources for their TB-2 engines.

    The longer Kiev lets this drag on the less they are going to come out of this with... but that is OK.... the leadership likely wont survive this war anyway... they have proven to only care about the billions being sent from the US and nothing about their people.

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Wed May 25, 2022 11:33 am

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    Can someone say exactly what is there now?

    Had 4x PanzirM, 4xTorM2, 2xBukM3, 1xS-300PMU2/400. This is the only way to secure an important outpost.
    Is there a 250m runway possible for drones a option?
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    Post  owais.usmani Wed May 25, 2022 12:24 pm

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Wed May 25, 2022 12:56 pm

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    Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #17 - Page 6 Photo_10
    Can someone say exactly what is there now?

    Had 4x PanzirM, 4xTorM2, 2xBukM3, 1xS-300PMU2/400. This is the only way to secure an important outpost.
    Is there a 250m runway possible for drones a option?

    As long as they don't control the ukrainian coast they should send no troop on that island. They will always be at mercy of the ukrainian aviation and missiles.

    Like I said, mine it so that no one can go there and patrol it with sukhois. Mine in the water and on the landing areas.

    It's a useless island for the war but keep it so that NATO don't take it.

    The island is ideal for air and sea space monitoring and is quite good for Romanian airspace. This is also a thorn against Odessa & Co.

    My question was also what exactly systems can be seen in the picture?

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    Post  Ispan Wed May 25, 2022 1:03 pm

    In reply to a reader comment here's a piece I wrote explaining why the Ukrainians fight, morale, motivation, why the going is tough and the Russian offensive so slow.

    It was written for the general public so most of it will be like "duh" to military history types like forum members but might find it interesting. It should translate well into English or your language of choice

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    Post  flamming_python Wed May 25, 2022 1:07 pm

    Kiko wrote:Today's events in Moldova are a desperate diversionist attempt by the West (spearheaded mainly by the UK) to distract from the Ukrainian imminent collapse.

    What happened in Moldova? Not up to speed
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    Post  lyle6 Wed May 25, 2022 2:06 pm


    Doggo has developed a taste for Azov flesh. Kadyrov will provide. Twisted Evil

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    Post  VARGR198 Wed May 25, 2022 2:12 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Kiko wrote:Today's events in Moldova are a desperate diversionist attempt by the West (spearheaded mainly by the UK) to distract from the Ukrainian imminent collapse.

    What happened in Moldova? Not up to speed

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    Post  JohninMK Wed May 25, 2022 2:17 pm

    Shows the way the wind is blowing in Moscow.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed May 25, 2022 2:20 pm

    The level of desperation for PR hits rises again

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    Post  JohninMK Wed May 25, 2022 2:26 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:https://twitter.com/spriteer_774400/status/1529397727246921728

    Motor Sich was targeted by 4 cruise missiles, three got through what was probably, or should have been, a ring of AD assets.

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    Post  Arrow Wed May 25, 2022 3:37 pm

    Iskander launch Very Happy

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