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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #17

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    Post  JohninMK Thu May 26, 2022 12:12 am

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu May 26, 2022 12:17 am

    Backman wrote:
    ArgentinaGuard wrote:....Does Russia have the capacity to supply its precision weapons that it has used in large numbers? is it autonomous in this sense? How are your factories working?
    Russia has the capacity to supply its own precision weapons. Rolling Eyes
    Antre Martynov said on the RWA podcast that the factories are going on 3 shifts now.

    One more thing at play here is Russian MIC: they will gladly take any opportunity to make room fro new products in Russian Military inventory

    Reason why platforms like Armata or Kurganets have been slow to introduce was not only development time but finding justification to replace all those mountains of existing hardware

    This is opportunity for them to arrange this and let's not forget that the biggest customer of Russian MIC is and always will be Russian Military

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu May 26, 2022 12:18 am

    JohninMK wrote:




    does it mean that Polish govt wants to occupy Odessa? or Transnistria?
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu May 26, 2022 12:22 am

    JohninMK wrote:

    A howitzer

    Which is a big gun

    That you tie to a truck to move around

    For the record it's pretty much the same thing as this:

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    Post  Isos Thu May 26, 2022 12:36 am

    Meanwhile the soldiers supposed to man them are surredering in mass.

    Zelensky need to stop this massacre. He is sending his troops to a certain death.

    Deal with it, you lost.

    Many people laugh at french that surrendered in WW2. But reality is that they tried to fight and figured out germans were far better and were going to anhilate them. Best choice was to surrender so that you save plenty of lives and your country doesn't get destroyed. Ukraine needs to understand they can't win and will just loose their people and their infrastructures.

    Fighting when you know you will loose anyway is dumb unless you face some barbarians who will cut you in pieces even if you surrender which is not the case here.

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    Post  Kiko Thu May 26, 2022 1:18 am

    Pooland salivating for Western Ukr means that slowly but steadily the special operation should also reach Galizia.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu May 26, 2022 2:00 am

    Kiko wrote:Pooland salivating for Western Ukr means that slowly but steadily the special operation should also reach Galizia.

    Look at the map. It couls be as well in Odessa. I hope they are not so dumb/mad after all. As for Lvov. I just wonder what would be better from Russian perspective- to let SS "Halychyna" go...(it's gonna be called Ukraine by US/doggies/all-lies .


    or just take the whole of Ukraine?
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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu May 26, 2022 2:17 am

    A little humour... Razz

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu May 26, 2022 2:42 am

    Hole wrote:All mortars create that sound, propably a combination of the base plate and the barrel. Being the largest one the 2S4 sings with a very deep voice. Very Happy

    2S4 is a baritone. Those unfortunates upon which it unloads turn into sopranos or castratos.... Razz

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    Post  LMFS Thu May 26, 2022 3:18 am

    The DPR troops entered the Kherson, Zaporizhia and Kharkiv regions – you can't protect the Donbass only by reaching the borders of the republics, - Denis Pushilin

    The head of the DPR clarified that if the allied forces stopped on the borders of Donbass, Ukrainian shelling and aggression would continue for an unlimited period of time.

    https://t.me/RVvoenkor/13628

    By the same principle, the rest of the ukronazis all the way to Galicia may follow the same processing, and the LDNR troops may play a key role in that too. Probably militias will be created in the liberated territories that will relief the Russian forces, vid the attempts by the West to clog the wheels of Russian military with corpses (as so often in their projections, that is what they accused the Soviet Union of doing to stop the Wehrmacht) and to create even more legitimacy for the destruction of the Kiev junta and the creation of a new political reality in the liberated territories. Hardly any policy can be applied against nazis that does not imply their physical destruction, that is the nature of their ideology.

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    Post  LMFS Thu May 26, 2022 3:20 am

    "They [Azovites] have a direct division there. Who worships these Nazi swastikas-they are initiated, everything is for them. Who is not — there is a protective uniform of the National Guard and all the dirty work, it turns out."

    https://t.me/milchronicles/562

    They work like a mafia, who would have thought... censored

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    Post  lancelot Thu May 26, 2022 3:23 am

    Poles going for Transnistria? Or maybe moving to Donbass via Romania because the route is shorter?
    There were rumours they were sending troops to the center of Ukraine a week ago.
    I suppose the Ukrainian "counter-attack" will be Poles...

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu May 26, 2022 3:26 am

    lancelot wrote:Poles going for Transnistria?

    Hope not. From Rumania they have easy access to Galizien but also Transnistria and Odessa...which could mean real war.

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    Post  sepheronx Thu May 26, 2022 3:28 am

    Why, was something said?

    If this was the case, there would be a lot of photos and videos.
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    Post  Backman Thu May 26, 2022 3:32 am

    I think Russia should take Ukraine up to the 1939 borders and regime change the rest, considering they are going to put Finland in Nato.

    Most of the west Ukrainian partisans are just larping pieces if shit. The everyday ppl will just settle for peace. Cobble together a regime for the west. Medvachuk maybe.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu May 26, 2022 3:44 am

    sepheronx wrote:Why, was something said?

    If this was the case, there would be a lot of photos and videos.


    Previous page, JohninMK post 289. There's a column of Polish IFVs passing, they are new and not to be transferred to Orcs. So what do they do in Rumania? I hope up to Galizien not east to Moldova or Odessa (here I Presume would be the red line for Russia)
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    Post  sepheronx Thu May 26, 2022 3:59 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Why, was something said?

    If this was the case, there would be a lot of photos and videos.


    Previous page, JohninMK post 289. There's a column of Polish IFVs passing, they are new and not to be transferred to Orcs. So what do they do in Rumania? I hope up to Galizien not east to Moldova or Odessa (here I Presume would be the red line for Russia)

    Well, it's a very small contingent so if it's to go into Ukraine, they would be wiped out very quickly. Which leads me to believe there is possibly planned "exercises" right near the border area.

    A few IFV's and some transport vehicles I saw. So less than what, 50 men?

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    Post  LMFS Thu May 26, 2022 4:47 am

    Patrushev:

    ​​​​🗞 Russia is not chasing deadlines in the course of a special military operation to protect the Donbass – Nazism must be eradicated one hundred percent, otherwise it will raise its head in a few years, Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev said in an interview with the Russian weekly Argumenty I Fakty. Krasnaya Zvezda publishes excerpts from his interview.

    "...We are not chasing deadlines. Nazism must either be eradicated one hundred percent, or it will raise its head in a few years, and in an even uglier form. All the goals set by the Russian President will be fulfilled. It cannot be otherwise, because the truth, including historical truth, is on our side."

    💬 «...During the Potsdam Conference, the USSR, the United States and Britain signed an agreement on the eradication of German militarism and Nazism. Denazification meant a whole range of measures. In addition to punishing Nazi criminals, the laws of the Third Reich that legalized discrimination based on race, nationality, language, religion, and political beliefs were repealed. Nazi and militaristic doctrines were eliminated from school education. Our country set such goals in 1945, and we are setting the same goals now, liberating Ukraine from neo-Nazism."

    💬 «...The fate of Ukraine will be determined by the people living on its territory. I would like to remind you that our country has never controlled the fate of sovereign Powers. On the contrary, we helped them defend their statehood. We also supported the United States during their civil war. France has received repeated assistance."

    💬 «...It is Russia that has the right to demand reparations from the countries that sponsored the Nazis in Ukraine, and the criminal Kiev regime. The DPR and LPR should demand from them compensation for all material damage for eight years of aggression. And the Ukrainian people themselves deserve reparations from the main instigators of the conflict, that is, the United States and Britain, which force Ukrainians to fight, support neo-Nazis, supply them with weapons, send their military advisers and mercenaries."

    💬 «...Probably, Westerners will not take off their rose-colored glasses until the brutalized Ukrainian thugs start brawling on their streets."

    💬 «...It was the actual leadership of the NATO members by the Kiev authorities that led to a catastrophic scenario. If Ukraine had remained independent and not ruled by the current puppet regime, obsessed with the idea of joining NATO and the EU, it would have long ago expelled all the Nazi evil spirits from its land."

    💬 «...The Anglo-Saxon style has not changed for centuries. So today they continue to dictate their terms to the world, rudely trampling on the sovereign rights of states. Covering their actions with words about the struggle for human rights, freedom and democracy, they actually implement the "golden billion" doctrine, which assumes that a limited number of people can flourish in this world. It is the lot of others, as they believe, to bend their backs in the name of their goal."

    💬 «...Today, it is easier to say which of the largest international terrorist organizations did not arise with American assistance. The United States widely uses them as an instrument of geopolitical confrontation, including with our country."

    💬 «...Instead of taking care of human health, Washington spends billions on research into new pathogens."

    "...NATO is not a defensive, but a purely aggressive offensive military bloc joining it implies an automatic transfer of a significant part of its sovereignty to Washington. In the case of the expansion of the alliance's military infrastructure in Finland and SwedenRussia will perceive this as a direct threat to its own security and will be obliged to respond."

    "...Last year I visited the Great Patriotic War Museum in Minsk. The guide shared with me her impressions of the visit of a group of students from the United States, who throughout the tour doubted whether they were being told the truth in the museum, because they naively believed that it was America that defeated Hitler's Germany."

    💬 «...It is impossible to push the issues of patriotic education of young people to optional classes. The reports describe all this beautifully, but there is no result."


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    Post  lyle6 Thu May 26, 2022 5:23 am

    I know now why this op is taking its sweet time.
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    Foreman physiognomy. Hires the smallest crew possible to maximize the duration of the project. Razz

    Backman wrote:I think Russia should take Ukraine up to the 1939 borders and regime change the rest, considering they are going to put Finland in Nato.

    Most of the west Ukrainian partisans are just larping pieces if shit. The everyday ppl will just settle for peace. Cobble together a regime for the west. Medvachuk maybe.


    Easy pathways to immigrating to cushy living in European welfare states is the number 1 killer of insurgencies, no joke.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu May 26, 2022 7:01 am

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:Friends, I have a question. There are media that are misinforming but I ask the specialists.
    Does Russia have the capacity to supply its precision weapons that it has used in large numbers? is it autonomous in this sense? How are your factories working?

    Ask yourself, how they could obtain those numbers of precision missiles, not having a whole industry producing them?
    For the last 20 years, they have made a quantum jump increasing the numbers by a factor of about a hundred, and spent the last 8 years replacing all the parts they needed to import. Someone who questions the capability of producing huge numbers of ammo is either stupid or has an agenda in mind.

    sepheronx wrote:

    Well, it's a very small contingent so if it's to go into Ukraine, they would be wiped out very quickly. Which leads me to believe there is possibly planned "exercises" right near the border area.

    A few IFV's and some transport vehicles I saw. So less than what, 50 men?

    There are NATO maneuvers all over Europe at the moment. Defender Europe and Swift Response. Ending today.

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    Post  sepheronx Thu May 26, 2022 7:34 am

    ALAMO wrote:

    sepheronx wrote:

    Well, it's a very small contingent so if it's to go into Ukraine, they would be wiped out very quickly. Which leads me to believe there is possibly planned "exercises" right near the border area.

    A few IFV's and some transport vehicles I saw. So less than what, 50 men?

    There are NATO maneuvers all over Europe at the moment. Defender Europe and Swift Response. Ending today.

    So my theory sounds correct then.

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    Post  Sujoy Thu May 26, 2022 7:37 am

    Your daily reminder how ineffective U.S weapons are. For every 10 Javelin ATGM fired by Ukrainians only one ATGM could neutralize the target. If Russians had APS on their tanks, IFVs, Javelin probably wouldn't have registered a single kill.



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    Post  ALAMO Thu May 26, 2022 7:45 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    So my theory sounds correct then.

    The whole story is about 18k troops from 20 countries.
    Russkies will piss from fear.

    Sujoy wrote:Your daily reminder how ineffective U.S weapons are. For every 10 Javelin ATGM fired by Ukrainians only one ATGM could neutralize the target. If Russians had APS on their tanks, IFVs, Javelin probably wouldn't have registered a single kill.

    In Russian, he is talking about the physical hits he saw, so the missiles that worked as planned.
    On the other hand, we have the Ukro statements, that half of them don't work at all, and a part of them don't hit anything even if the start sequence was OK - that part can be a training issue.

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    Post  Erk Thu May 26, 2022 8:37 am

    Sujoy wrote:Your daily reminder how ineffective U.S weapons are. For every 10 Javelin ATGM fired by Ukrainians only one ATGM could neutralize the target. If Russians had APS on their tanks, IFVs, Javelin probably wouldn't have registered a single kill.

    That's because the batteries in the Javelins are decades old, and no longer hold a charge, without working electronics they are useless. If Ukraine was shown how to replace the batteries it would be another story.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu May 26, 2022 9:02 am

    Erk wrote:
    That's because the batteries in the Javelins are decades old, and no longer hold a charge, without working electronics they are useless.  If Ukraine was shown how to replace the batteries it would be another story.


    That is not the case.
    He is talking about missiles that hit the target.
    So the start sequence was OK, and the targeting was fine. Both require a working battery and the whole system, and proper shooting procedures.
    And when both are applied, 1 in 10 made a kill.
    Besides, those are taken out directly from a NATO armies' warehouses, so in theory, should be battle ready. And are not.

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