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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #17

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    Post  Hole Wed May 25, 2022 7:36 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Does anyone know what causes the deep ringing sound after 2S4 Tulpan fires? Some part of the vehicle resonating, I guess.

    It is not all that similar to the sound effect of the "seismic charges" in Star Wars, but kinda gives off the same vibe.

    Eg https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Y6SoaaG6xog

    You hear the ringing aftersound in most vids of it firing. The raw aesthetic can't be ignored.

    All mortars create that sound, propably a combination of the base plate and the barrel. Being the largest one the 2S4 sings with a very deep voice. Very Happy

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    Post  limb Wed May 25, 2022 7:41 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:T-62's will help supplement whatever was lost for the LDNR forces in the region. I'm not sure Russia has much of or any T-64's in reserve so next best thing is T-62.

    These tanks are covered with Kontakt blocks and some additional armor packages. Much better than vanilla 72M1s the Ukrs are supplied with and will work just the same way as T-72B. In some cases, brass shells are even better than combusting charges from 64s and on.
    It should work fine against light AT weapons, and I suppose most of them will be used as a backup.

    Ukros are equipping T-72As with Kontakt-1, Kontakt-5 and nozh ERA, which is equivalent. Not that it matters.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Wed May 25, 2022 7:42 pm

    Hole wrote:
    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Does anyone know what causes the deep ringing sound after 2S4 Tulpan fires? Some part of the vehicle resonating, I guess.

    It is not all that similar to the sound effect of the "seismic charges" in Star Wars, but kinda gives off the same vibe.

    Eg https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Y6SoaaG6xog

    You hear the ringing aftersound in most vids of it firing. The raw aesthetic can't be ignored.

    All mortars create that sound, propably a combination of the base plate and the barrel. Being the largest one the 2S4 sings with a very deep voice. Very Happy

    Hells bells, I guess.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed May 25, 2022 7:43 pm

    Hole wrote:
    Sujoy wrote:Seems 2S7 and 2S19 are being used simultaneously by Russia.
    Maybe because the latter has a higher rate of fire.

    Different jobs.
    2S7 is a 203mm gun, used for fire support by higher echelons of the Army.
    2S19 is a 152mm howitzer used by a typical BTG.

    Fires almost twice the distance.
    It is another level of artillery.
    Yes, Russkies have three levels of barrel artillery.
    And three levels of tube artillery.
    And ballistic missiles are a separate branch.
    And some special artillery tasked as a reserve for special applications (2S4).
    I guess it is hard to get for someone who is used to the ze wezt school Very Happy

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed May 25, 2022 7:47 pm

    🇺🇦⚡Now we are in a difficult situation and this situation will be aggravated.

    Within a month and a half, until Western weapons arrive, encirclement, abandonment of positions, heavy losses are possible. You have to be ready for this.

    Advisor to the Office of the President of Ukraine Oleksiy Arestovich

    Beating Ukr hard

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Wed May 25, 2022 8:03 pm

    Friends, I have a question. There are media that are misinforming but I ask the specialists.
    Does Russia have the capacity to supply its precision weapons that it has used in large numbers? is it autonomous in this sense? How are your factories working?
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    Post  caveat emptor Wed May 25, 2022 8:19 pm

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote:


    I don't care that you're my countryman, since you're obviously full of yourself.
    Have you heard of Branko Kitanović ? Come on, look who it is, since I read his books as a kid and I have a whole collection from that time.
    So much for the "youtube" story
    As for Vojvoda Mišić, I was wrong, YES, but you should also distinguish the Bulgarian from the Russian Su-25. As for the USSR, every story about it is over.
    Again, i never mentioned SU in any of my messages. Russian Empire was in a state of power struggle since, lets say, Dekabrist uprising against Nicholas I. So, it didn't fall overnight. Alexander II was killed and there were several assassination attempts on other Tsars. 
    In the eve of WW1, Empire was still absolutist monarchy. Put that at perspective, absolutist superpower that existed in Europe only little more than century ago. 
    Consequence of that was a big backwardness and huge social problems that entailed. Emancipation of serfs, while late, was further deteriorated by Alexander III. 
    I want to remind you that Nicholas was made to abdicate after February revolution, that was not done by Bolsheviks but by representatives of bourgeois and democratic structures. Bolsheviks aka communists took over after short lived Russian republic.
    P.S.
    I apologize to other members of the forum for my digression.
    If admins feel that this whole discussion needs to be moved to separate thread or deleted, i will not object.


    Both the imperial and the Soviet times had positive things. One of the things I admire about Putin is that he has reconciled the recent past.
    For example, Germany cannot live without bastardizing its Nazi or monarchist past.
    The United States has trampled on the history of the Confederate and the southern states with its progressive history.
    I agree. It should be left in history. No reason to make divisions in society based on  it. It is counterproductive.

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    Post  Kiko Wed May 25, 2022 8:21 pm

    The easiest way out for Moldova is to have increased uprisings throughout the whole country for the toppling of Maia Sandu.

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    Post  ATLASCUB Wed May 25, 2022 8:32 pm

    Unlikely. Get Odessa, recognize Transnistria, call it a day.

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    Post  Backman Wed May 25, 2022 8:35 pm

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:Friends, I have a question. There are media that are misinforming but I ask the specialists.
    Does Russia have the capacity to supply its precision weapons that it has used in large numbers? is it autonomous in this sense? How are your factories working?

    Russia has the capacity to supply its own precision weapons. Rolling Eyes

    Antre Martynov said on the RWA podcast that the factories are going on 3 shifts now.

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    Post  Isos Wed May 25, 2022 8:59 pm

    Backman wrote:
    ArgentinaGuard wrote:Friends, I have a question. There are media that are misinforming but I ask the specialists.
    Does Russia have the capacity to supply its precision weapons that it has used in large numbers? is it autonomous in this sense? How are your factories working?

    Russia has the capacity to supply its own precision weapons. Rolling Eyes

    Antre Martynov said on the RWA podcast that the factories are going on 3 shifts now.

    I think he is talking about electronics and supply parts... MSM made people beleive russia uses only western electronics so now with the sanctions they can't build anything and use washing machine parts inside their tanks and missiles.

    So to answer that, I would say they already made huge stocks of critical foreign electronics for kalibr and iskander if they use them. They also have their own electronics industry which even if is no at the level of western or asian ones, should be very good to provide electronics for missiles.

    We saw soviet kh-55 after strikes which were using pretty old electronics (something like from the 80s) and still have a very good precision.

    In terms of fuel and warheads they are more than ok with no foreign supply. It's  field in which Russia was always good.

    Moreover they also have still access to 80% of the world including china which is a leader in pretty much everything and could supply any replcement of western stuff if they need. They can also buy from 3rd countries on black market.

    So yeah I think Russia is pretty safe for that.

    I think the worst about those sanctions which will hurt a lot Russia is civil aviation which totally dominated by airbus and boeing for which they have very limited solutions. Too bad they didn't invest more on this since the 2000s.

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    Post  limb Wed May 25, 2022 9:19 pm

    I wonder if I told anyone here in feb. 24-28 that russia would still be far from taking kharkov in late may and that Slavyansk is still occupied, if I wouldve immidiately been called a troll and banned.

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    Post  Hole Wed May 25, 2022 9:27 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:🇺🇦⚡Now we are in a difficult situation and this situation will be aggravated.

    Within a month and a half, until Western weapons arrive, encirclement, abandonment of positions, heavy losses are possible.  You have to be ready for this.

    Advisor to the Office of the President of Ukraine Oleksiy Arestovich

    Beating Ukr hard

    Copium is in short supply, it seems.

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    Post  zorobabel Wed May 25, 2022 9:41 pm

    Russia needs to ramp up production of these drones. A few thousand by year end would be good.

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    Post  Ispan Wed May 25, 2022 9:48 pm


    Today's briefing

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/05/25/parte-de-guerra-25-05-2022/

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Wed May 25, 2022 10:00 pm

    limb wrote:I wonder if I told anyone here in feb. 24-28 that russia would still be far from taking kharkov in late may and that Slavyansk is still occupied, if I wouldve immidiately been called a troll and banned.

    I'd say that was a realistic assumption based on the little information that was available at the time. The Russians kept quiet about their ideas..

    Mind you, it was Pentagon analysts that said Russia could take Kiev in three days. And of course they could, if that was the actual plan. It quite obviously wasn't

    There is a reason "war" hasn't been declared. If Russia declared actual war, things would indeed have turned out the way some western analysts predicted. Now they don't know what's going on because the entire concept of retrieving areas historically yours and denying foreign warmongers access, minimizing civilian losses and infrastructural damage, in a place that you rightfully held not long ago, well, it's an alien concept to them.

    Western armies, military commentators, politicians etc have not had any "skin in the game" since WW2 pretty much.

    They're like "why didn't Russia 'shock and awe' the entire place like the U.S. did in Iraq?" ... "Oh, the Russian armed forces and its leadership is therefore comically incompetent"

    Facepalm.


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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Wed May 25, 2022 10:01 pm

    zorobabel wrote:Russia needs to ramp up production of these drones. A few thousand by year end would be good.


    The effect is likely to be the strongest when the enemy is demoral. See Karabach conflict. Without effective air defense, you can attack any group, especially when eating, refuel, etc. Means no more place where you don't look up and pray.

    So you can't fight and run. Therefore, it is important to have air defense TOR and Panzir -based aerial bundle and have enough Spy drones that make such drones useful.

    The enemy then starts running anyway.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed May 25, 2022 10:10 pm

    Ispan wrote:
    Today's briefing

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/05/25/parte-de-guerra-25-05-2022/


    TODAY 25 May

    Gleb Bazov_

    05:00 Kharkov Front

    After the Russian attacks on Kiev, the Ukrainian forces stationed in the settlement retreated to the outskirts of Siratono

    09:00 Toshkovka has been released. The road to Lisichansk is open, and the Zolotoye-Gorskoye mini-cauldron is essentially closed.

    Report about Novotshkovkoye

    https://ren.tv/news/v-mire/978960-boitsy-vsu-brosili-tselyi-ukrepraion-pod-lisichanskom



    11:00 General situation (with maps)

    https://chervonec-001.livejournal.com/4147690.html

    13:00 hours

    The Artemovsk - Lisischansk highway cut off, information in detail

    https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/7634969.html

    Popasnaya Sector 14:30 hours



    the situation near Popasna at 14.30 on May 25, 2022

    ▪ the Allied forces broke through the defenses on the Bakhmut-Lisichansk highway and took Belogorovka (not to be confused with the other, famous for the alleged disaster at the river crossing), Nagornoye and Vasilyevka. The units of the 14th Separate Infantry Division of the Armed Forces of Ukraine suffered heavy losses and withdrew.

    ▪ The PMC Wagner assault squads are fighting in Pilipchatino. Parts of the People's Militia of the DPR are advancing on Novoluganskoe from Gorlovka.

    ▪ clashes continue in Kamyshevakha, Toshkovka and Gorskom to surround a group of Ukrainian armed formations in Zolote. (Toshkovka was released this morning)

    15:30

    report of the anna_news correspondent from the outskirts of Popasnaya

    The Cossacks of the 6th regiment of the People's Militia of the LPR continue to advance on enemy positions in the Kamyshevakha area.

    The operation is supported by heavy 240-mm self-propelled mortars "Tulip", which with their fire lay waste to the enemy's defenses and destroy their firing positions one by one.

    Situation at 17:00 hours

    https://chervonec-001.livejournal.com/4147991.html

    19:15 - Gleb Bazov

    Map

    https://t.me/Slavyangrad/1134

    After being forced to withdraw from Svetlodarsk, Ukrainian troops took up positions in the nearby settlement of Novoluganskoye, to the west and across the Svetlodarsk reservoir.

    The Allied force is carrying out artillery preparation against the positions of the Ukrainian forces, before embarking on the assault on Novoluganskoye.



    21:00 hours - Rybar

    Krasny Liman situation at 21.00 on May 25, 2022

    ▪ in the afternoon, Russian forces continued their offensive and established control over most of the city. A Russian flag appeared over the administration building.

    ▪ Ukrainian troops were also expelled from the settlements located near Liman: .Maslyakovka and the Goluboye Ozero (Blue Lake)

    ▪ Enemy detachments gained a foothold in the south of the city. They maintain the depot, the railway station and the areas west of the railway tracks. Violent clashes are taking place on the contact line.

    ▪ The Russian Armed Forces attack the artillery positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the limestone hills of Raygorodka.

    21:35 - Gleb Bazov

    https://t.me/Slavyangrad/1136

    Belogorovka, Nagornoye, Vasilyevka have been released. The Allied forces have cut off the Soledar-Lisichansk supply route of the Ukrainian forces. Now it's time to also cut the Seversk supply line.

    Summary of the day 25 May 22:45 - Boris Rozhin (Cassad)

    1. Svitlodarsk.
    Luganskoye has been officially released. There are battles for Novoluganskoye. The enemy is gradually retreating towards Artemovsk. The surrender of the Svitlodarsk arch is justified as a "tactical maneuver".

    2. Avdeyevka.
    Fighting in the area of Novoselka-2, New York and Krasnogorovka. There is no significant progress today. The enemy stubbornly resists.

    3. Artemovsk.
    Fighting near Pilipchatino. The intensity of shelling of Ukrainian positions Nearartemivsk is increasing. The enemy is massing armored personnel west of Artemivsk. A counterattack attempt is possible to unblock the Artemivsk-Lisichansk highway.

    4. Soledar.
    There is no storming of the city yet. North of Soledar, the troops reached the Artyomovsk-Lisichansk highway in the area of Belogorovka and Nagorny. Key communications of the Severodonetsk grouping have been cut off. The supply line through Seversk is still open.

    5. Zolotoye
    Fighting continued on the southern outskirts of the villagea, as well as in Kamyshevakha. Vrubovka is still in the hands of the enemy. Fighting continues in the Toshkovka area. The group on Gorsky and Zolotoye is in a difficult situation and it will be difficult for him to withdraw.

    6. Severodonetsk.
    Fighting continued on the outskirts of Severodonetsk. He also claims that the troops approached Lisichansk. According to Kadirov, the Chechens have already reached the outskirts.

    The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will have to make a difficult choice: to play the Mariupol scenario, with the encirclement and subsequent complete destruction of the entire Severodonetsk group, or retreat with losses in the direction of Slavyansk and Artemovsk. If the issue is delayed next week, the supply issue will confront the fully growing Severodonetsk group, not to mention the fact that the problem of withdrawing troops from the encirclement may disappear by itself.

    7. Krasny Liman.
    Most of the city has already been liberated by the Russian army and Rosgvardiya. The enemy is holding out in the southeastern part of the city. There are reports of the withdrawal of part of the forces to the Seversky Donets River. Information about a large number of prisoners has been confirmed. (there are videos of the first interrogations... a couple dozen)

    8. Izyum.
    Positional battles in the area of Kamyshevakha (as you can see there are many villages with identical or similar names) and Dolgenky. The enemy is waiting for the activation of the Izyum group of Russian Forces after the encirclement of the Severodonetsk group is completed.

    9. Kharkiv.
    The enemy continued to try to regain the lost positions in the Ternovoye and Rubezhnoye area. He did not have any serious success. At the same time, Russian reinforcements arrive in the Kharkov sector, and there is also talk of reinforcements being sent to the border of the Sumy and Chernigov regions.

    10. Nikolaev, Odessa, Zaporozhe, Maryinka, Ugledar - no novelty.

    (according to Gleb Bazov intense shelling in Maryinka that caused a fire in an ammunition depot)



    Other news and reports:

    Ukraine's war crimes: mass grave in Mariupol

    We have discovered a mass grave (up to 300 people), near the territory of the old Mariupol cemetery.

    Witnesses say the burial was carried out by the Ukrainian army when Mariupol was under Ukrainian control between March 6 and 8.

    The information is shocking. We will check everything thoroughly.

    https://t.me/maximgrigoryev/1341

    Russia's Operation "Anaconda": the beginning and the end of Ukraine

    Interesting article on strategy and economics

    https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2022/05/24/operaciya-rossii-kolco-anakondy-nachalo-i-ukraina

    On the morality of the "Zapadientsi" (Westerners)

    This entry talks about the morale and motivation (or lack thereof) of the Ukrainian soldier, and in particular that the Ukrainians in the West are more reluctant to fight. The correspondent of the Izyum front confirms this:
    Старше Эдды:
    https://t.me/s/vysokygovorit

    I noticed one characteristic thing. The more dead and captured Ukrainian soldiers from among the natives of western Ukraine began to cross paths, the more often the battalions formed by them began to express their disobedience and record protest videos.

    Recently, Zelensky was approached by soldiers of the 71st Jaeger Brigade. We fought with the first hundred men of this motorized rifle detachment created on April 1, 2022 (consisting of natives of western Ukraine) near Izyum in mid-April. Two soldiers were captured and answered the interrogation in a mixture of Surzhik (mixed dialect of Ukrainian and Russian) and Russian.

    Apparently, then these riflemen who believed themselves to spetznatz (commandos, special forces) were relieved for rest and recuperation, and now they were sent back to the front. The gopak combat masters (Ukrainian traditional dance, sarcasm) immediately recorded a video message to the president of the so-called Ukraine demanding that he not use them as cannon fodder.
    Now the following video was posted by some terbatovtsy (soldiers of a Terbatov, territorial battalion) from Cherkasy.

    That is, whenmost of the people of Eastern Ukraine were fighting at the front, there were no video messages. After these troops were in short supply and Kiev decided to milk the sacred cow of the Ukrainian state, that is, send the men from Galicia to the front, there were immediately gnashing of teeth on the Internet and shouts about zrada.

    (in Ukrainian, "betrayal", the usual cry when the "peremoga" (victory) are revealed the falsehood that they are)

    The Russians, even when fighting each other, fight fiercely. They endure fire, attack and defend themselves by bleeding to death. A striking difference from the honorable and boastful heirs of the kingdom of Galicia.

    Problems with the DPR reservist units

    In the Donetsk Militia there are also problems of morale and equipment in the hastily mobilized reservist units sent to combat without equipment and accoutrements and who have suffered casualties in Mariupol. And now they are protesting because they need rest, adequate equipment and in some cases there is the bleeding injustice that there are units that have not been paid for three months.

    Unfortunately not everything is going well and there are problems with the second-rank units and we must deplore the lack of organization and supply, problems that have been dragging on for years and the stinginess of the Russian army that should provide the soldiers of the republics with the minimum of their deposits. As well as the stupidity and cruelty of the Russian customs policemen who do not allow the passage of military equipment such as bulletproof vests purchased with donations from civilians for the militias.

    They are not serious or important problems, but all armies have their miseries and their rearguard "ambushes" that do nothing but cause inconvenience.

    I love Russia, but it is not a blind love, the army, the state and society have serious problems and defects, and the war reveals not only the best of a people but also the worst. At least progress is being made in the reconstruction of the liberated territories.

    On several Telegram channels there is talk about it, I put a message from Vladislav Ugolny.

    https://t.me/zola_of_renovation/1895

    https://t.me/ghost_of_novorossia/5000

    I doubted if this video of the battalion in question would be real, but indeed, it looks like it, it reminds of the opening scene of Kubrick's "Paths of Glory" (Paths of Glory)

    https://t.me/m0sc0wcallings/55

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed May 25, 2022 10:23 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
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    Does anyone know why the heck T-62s are being sent to Ukraine?

    There is no real good reason I can think of, Unless they are giving them to LNDR and DNPR forces?

    Pretty much this

    Locals have experience (and by now probably preference) for T-64s so it makes sense to give them these if you have them

    Russian Army has very few crews qualified for this model, they have gone full T-72/90 for very long time now

    Also there has been stream of older volunteers flocking to fight in Ukraine and those ''geezers'' would prefer something they have used themselves and are fully familiar with

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    Post  JohninMK Wed May 25, 2022 10:29 pm

    Second video has a WOW factor





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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed May 25, 2022 10:35 pm

    TASS; Military operation in Ukraine
    May 25, 18:56

    Kadyrov said that Russian troops entered Lisichansk

    They "almost entered Severodonetsk", said the head of Chechnya


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    GROZNY, May 25. /TASS/. Russian troops entered the city of Lisichansk on Wednesday and almost entered Severodonetsk in the Lugansk People's Republic (LPR), Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov said on his Telegram channel.

    “There (in a special military operation - TASS note) the best trained fighters of the Ministry of Defense, the Russian Guard and the militia are participating. They almost entered Severodonetsk, and they entered Lisichansk,” Kadyrov said.

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed May 25, 2022 11:02 pm

    zorobabel wrote:Successful Russian kamikaze drone strike on Ukrainian soldiers. KUB-BLA drone from Kalishnikov. Russia needs to ramp up production of these.


    Straight for the biggest weakness they have: manpower

    Keep beating that meat into hamburgers and this thing will solve itself (pun definitely intended)


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    Post  PapaDragon Wed May 25, 2022 11:11 pm

    limb wrote:I wonder if I told anyone here in feb. 24-28 that russia would still be far from taking kharkov in late may and that Slavyansk is still occupied, if I wouldve immidiately been called a troll and banned.

    So would I but back then everyone still thought that Ukrainians are normal humans, now it turned out that they are just a mob of Nazis only fit for fertilizer

    Taking land loaded with living Nazis is idiotic, that's one of the things which killed USSR

    Take your time, kill them all and then take the land



    Also let's not forget that it's only late spring now, fun starts in early winter and not on the frontlines but in the EU supermarkets

    Another reason Russians are (smartly) taking their time

    Food, heat and fuel, the holy trinity of fun times












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