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    Post  Hole Wed May 25, 2022 4:44 pm

    Any proof of one cruise missile being shot down?

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    Post  Stealthflanker Wed May 25, 2022 5:44 pm

    Hole wrote:Any proof of one cruise missile being shot down?

    No real proof so far except apparent damage to nearby "Aurora" mall building.
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    Post  caveat emptor Wed May 25, 2022 5:48 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    Hole wrote:Any proof of one cruise missile being shot down?

    No real proof so far except apparent damage to nearby "Aurora" mall building.
    Colonel Cassad tg account on Zaporozhie:
    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/50516

    On the strikes in Zaporozhye.  Information from the field.

     All 4 missiles were intended for the Motor Sich plant.
     One was shot down by air defense and coincidentally, it exploded over the Aurora shopping center.  There was no intention to go to the shopping center.  Indirectly, Aurora covered an elite high-rise building behind itself (made out of glass).

     Auxiliary shops were damaged at the Motor Sich plant, the blows apparently should have hinted transparently to Boguslaev that there was no need to make engines for Bayraktars.
     But he, in turn, was pressured from Kyiv
     The main workshops and production were not affected.
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    Post  zorobabel Wed May 25, 2022 6:11 pm

    JohninMK wrote:The level of desperation for PR hits rises again

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    Russia is running out of tanks....and shows a pic from a transport of a T-62 headed for Syria in 2019


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    The picture was fake but the news ended up being true: https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1529479186720628736

    Does anyone know why the heck T-62s are being sent to Ukraine?
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed May 25, 2022 6:18 pm

    zorobabel wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:The level of desperation for PR hits rises again

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    The picture was fake but the news ended up being true: https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1529479186720628736

    Does anyone know why the heck T-62s are being sent to Ukraine?

    There is no real good reason I can think of, Unless they are giving them to LNDR and DNPR forces?

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed May 25, 2022 6:20 pm

    TASS; Military operation in Ukraine
    May 25, 17:46 (Updated 18:15)

    Pushilin: more than half of the territory of Krasny Liman came under the control of the DPR

    The head of the republic said that in this area the enemy uses a "favorite tactic" - the population as a human shield


    MOSCOW, May 25. /TASS/. More than half of the territory of Krasny Liman came under the control of the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR), and only a few days remained until the region was completely liberated from Ukrainian militants. This was stated on Wednesday by the head of the DPR, Denis Pushilin, on the air of the Rossiya-1 TV channel.
    "At the moment, more than 50% of the settlement (Krasny Liman - TASS note) is under our control. Our units have already entered, are working directly and are carrying out a sweep within the city. Therefore, I think there are only a few days left when Krasny Liman can be considered liberated locality," he said.

    Pushilin added that in this area the enemy is using "a favorite tactic" - using the population as a human shield.
    On May 23, First Deputy Head of the DPR Ministry of Information Daniil Bezsonov announced that active offensive operations against the Armed Forces of Ukraine had resumed in the area of ​​Avdiivka, Novoselovka Vtoroy and Krasny Liman. On May 24, Basurin stated that the DPR forces were engaged in heavy fighting in the area of ​​Avdiivka, Gorlovka, Maryinka and Novomaryinka.

    https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/14728449

    And to add, the ruble today is 56.97 for one dollar ..


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    Post  Isos Wed May 25, 2022 6:28 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:The level of desperation for PR hits rises again

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    Russia is running out of tanks....and shows a pic from a transport of a T-62 headed for Syria in 2019


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    The picture was fake but the news ended up being true: https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1529479186720628736

    Does anyone know why the heck T-62s are being sent to Ukraine?

    There is no real good reason I can think of, Unless they are giving them to LNDR and DNPR forces?


    Lighter and better manoeuvrability.
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    Post  VARGR198 Wed May 25, 2022 7:06 pm

    zorobabel wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:The level of desperation for PR hits rises again

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    Russia is running out of tanks....and shows a pic from a transport of a T-62 headed for Syria in 2019


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    The picture was fake but the news ended up being true: https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1529479186720628736

    Does anyone know why the heck T-62s are being sent to Ukraine?

    Picture from 2019 of T-62s that were being sent to Syria

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Wed May 25, 2022 7:06 pm

    LDNR has used captured UA T-62s since 2014, and also received ones taken out of storage in Russia before. They're used to them, so it makes a certain degree of sense.

    The vehicle refurbishment base in Rostov oblast, near Kamensk-Shakhtinsky has collected hundreds of them from storage all over Russia, refurbed them and supplied them to eg Syria before, so it's an already set-up resource of accessible armor for use in areas where you don't need the most modern MBT, but at least something that has better survivability than light armor or a car.

    Russian regulars don't use them, at any rate.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed May 25, 2022 7:22 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:LDNR has used captured UA T-62s since 2014, and also received ones taken out of storage in Russia before. They're used to them, so it makes a certain degree of sense.

    The vehicle refurbishment base in Rostov oblast, near Kamensk-Shakhtinsky has collected hundreds of them from storage all over Russia, refurbed them and supplied them to eg Syria before, so it's an already set-up resource of accessible armor for use in areas where you don't need the most modern MBT, but at least something that has better survivability than light armor or a car.

    Russian regulars don't use them, at any rate.

    Yes hence why that's the only logical excuse I could think of
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    Post  VARGR198 Wed May 25, 2022 7:24 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:LDNR has used captured UA T-62s since 2014, and also received ones taken out of storage in Russia before. They're used to them, so it makes a certain degree of sense.

    The vehicle refurbishment base in Rostov oblast, near Kamensk-Shakhtinsky has collected hundreds of them from storage all over Russia, refurbed them and supplied them to eg Syria before, so it's an already set-up resource of accessible armor for use in areas where you don't need the most modern MBT, but at least something that has better survivability than light armor or a car.

    Russian regulars don't use them, at any rate.

    LDNR only have T-64s T72s and a single T54 (taken from a museum in Donetsk in 2014). They may also have a few T80s from these past 3 months captured from Ukraine, but I've never seen any footage or images over these past 8 years of them using T62s.




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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Wed May 25, 2022 7:41 pm

    VARGR198 wrote:
    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:LDNR has used captured UA T-62s since 2014, and also received ones taken out of storage in Russia before. They're used to them, so it makes a certain degree of sense.

    The vehicle refurbishment base in Rostov oblast, near Kamensk-Shakhtinsky has collected hundreds of them from storage all over Russia, refurbed them and supplied them to eg Syria before, so it's an already set-up resource of accessible armor for use in areas where you don't need the most modern MBT, but at least something that has better survivability than light armor or a car.

    Russian regulars don't use them, at any rate.

    LDNR only have T-64s T72s and a single T54 (taken from a museum in Donetsk in 2014). They may also have a few T80s from these past 3 months captured from Ukraine, but I've never seen any footage or images over these past 8 years of them using T62s.



    Yes, pardon my ignorance. I was thinking of T-64s.

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    Post  zorobabel Wed May 25, 2022 7:46 pm

    Successful Russian kamikaze drone strike on Ukrainian soldiers. KUB-BLA drone from Kalishnikov. Russia needs to ramp up production of these.

    https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1529510711382134785

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    Post  zorobabel Wed May 25, 2022 7:48 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:LDNR has used captured UA T-62s since 2014, and also received ones taken out of storage in Russia before. They're used to them, so it makes a certain degree of sense.

    The vehicle refurbishment base in Rostov oblast, near Kamensk-Shakhtinsky has collected hundreds of them from storage all over Russia, refurbed them and supplied them to eg Syria before, so it's an already set-up resource of accessible armor for use in areas where you don't need the most modern MBT, but at least something that has better survivability than light armor or a car.

    Russian regulars don't use them, at any rate.
    My thinking is that the reporting from Russian sources that Ukraine is planning a large offensive somewhere in the Kherson or Zaporozhye regions. Or they are going to be used in urban warfare like in Syria.
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    Post  sepheronx Wed May 25, 2022 7:51 pm

    T-62's will help supplement whatever was lost for the LDNR forces in the region. I'm not sure Russia has much of or any T-64's in reserve so next best thing is T-62.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed May 25, 2022 8:09 pm

    sepheronx wrote:T-62's will help supplement whatever was lost for the LDNR forces in the region. I'm not sure Russia has much of or any T-64's in reserve so next best thing is T-62.

    These tanks are covered with Kontakt blocks and some additional armor packages. Much better than vanilla 72M1s the Ukrs are supplied with and will work just the same way as T-72B. In some cases, brass shells are even better than combusting charges from 64s and on.
    It should work fine against light AT weapons, and I suppose most of them will be used as a backup.
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    Post  Hole Wed May 25, 2022 8:11 pm

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    Post  Hole Wed May 25, 2022 8:13 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:T-62's will help supplement whatever was lost for the LDNR forces in the region. I'm not sure Russia has much of or any T-64's in reserve so next best thing is T-62.

    These tanks are covered with Kontakt blocks and some additional armor packages. Much better than vanilla 72M1s the Ukrs are supplied with and will work just the same way as T-72B. In some cases, brass shells are even better than combusting charges from 64s and on.
    It should work fine against light AT weapons, and I suppose most of them will be used as a backup.

    Good for infantry support. Proved itself in Syria. Worked much better there then Leo2´s. Just ask the Turkish. Wink

    Most likely the tanks will go to the DPR/LDR forces. For the attack on Dnjepropetrovsk? This stage of the operation needs even more mobility and maybe some units of the DPR/LDR lack this.


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    Post  Airbornewolf Wed May 25, 2022 8:13 pm

    ...and Speaking of Force-Z.

    its the time again for some footage  Cool :

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    trailer of documentary called Mariupol,inside view


    footage taken off Azov prisoners, filmed a day before their surrender in Azovstal


    Busy airspace over DPR frontlines


    RF Uragan MLRS firing at ukrainian forces in the Kharkov direction

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    JohninMK wrote:The level of desperation for PR hits rises again

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    Some pro Z telegram channels are reporting that there are t-62s in Melitopol now and Zaporozhye oblast.

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    Post  Sujoy Wed May 25, 2022 8:23 pm

    Seems 2S7 and 2S19 are being used simultaneously by Russia.
    Maybe because the latter has a higher rate of fire.
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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Wed May 25, 2022 8:29 pm

    Does anyone know what causes the deep ringing sound after 2S4 Tulpan fires? Some part of the vehicle resonating, I guess.

    It is not all that similar to the sound effect of the "seismic charges" in Star Wars, but kinda gives off the same vibe.

    Eg https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Y6SoaaG6xog

    You hear the ringing aftersound in most vids of it firing. The raw aesthetic can't be ignored.


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    Post  ALAMO Wed May 25, 2022 8:30 pm

    Hole wrote:
    Good for infantry support. Proved itself in Syria. Worked much better there then Leo2´s. Just ask the Turkish. Wink


    Well, the 10 years of the Syrian conflict depleted the Russian stocks either. They are using 72s for their own modernization program.
    So I guess that for less important jobs they will just use something that is cheap in both delivery and operating.
    62s are using an old W-55 engine that is very reliable and needs hardly any attention - that is opposite to the T64s 5TDF, and T-80 GTD turbine the republican armor is consisted of. It will ride as long as you have anything that burns to fill the tanks.
    Having an old tank in ranks is better than having a new tank waiting for recovery due to engine failure Laughing Laughing

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Does anyone know what causes the deep ringing sound after 2S4 Tulpan fires? Some part of the vehicle resonating, I guess.

    It is not all that similar to the sound effect of the "seismic charges" in Star Wars, but kinda gives off the same vibe.

    I would bet on a plate that is under the barrel. It resonates making bell like sound.


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    Post  franco Wed May 25, 2022 8:33 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    Hole wrote:
    Good for infantry support. Proved itself in Syria. Worked much better there then Leo2´s. Just ask the Turkish. Wink


    Well, the 10 years of the Syrian conflict depleted the Russian stocks either. They are using 72s for their own modernization program.
    So I guess that for less important jobs they will just use something that is cheap in both delivery and operating.
    62s are using an old W-55 engine that is very reliable and needs hardly any attention - that is opposite to the T64s 5TDF, and T-80 GTD turbine the republican armor is consisted of. It will ride as long as you have anything that burns to fill the tanks.
    Having an old tank in ranks is better than having a new tank waiting for recovery due to engine failure Laughing Laughing

    Cassad's take on the T-62 usage...

    https://twitter.com/thrussophile2/status/1529520998818762755/photo/1

    Looks like at least a battalion's worth.

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    Post  Hole Wed May 25, 2022 8:34 pm

    Sujoy wrote:Seems 2S7 and 2S19 are being used simultaneously by Russia.
    Maybe because the latter has a higher rate of fire.

    Different jobs.
    2S7 is a 203mm gun, used for fire support by higher echelons of the Army.
    2S19 is a 152mm howitzer used by a typical BTG.

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