Russian special military operation in Ukraine #16

Spriteer @spriteer_774400

Zelensky, in an interview with the Ukrainian media, said that now 700 thousand people are fighting from the Ukrainian side

kvs wrote:1) NATzO spent 8 years preparing its Kiev proxies for war.   But now we will have a "game changer" because of some training outside
of Ukria in Poland and Romania.   WTF is this BS inference?

The "game changing" thing was that the West would not allow the ukie war resources to follow their natural path and extinguish sooner rather than later. I don't know what he was expecting, but the "war to the last ukrainian" was a given for everyone else I guess. I think he exaggerates the effects of the US support, but the mechanism as he analyses it exists and the Western intent is clear. In the video I saw he said he had changed his mind because he had expected Russia to be more effective in their interdiction of Western shipments to the front... these guys base their assessments in the available information, any of them can make a mistake and still be worth listening too.

3) Gonzalo Lira is correct in his recent video on Ritter.  Ritter is spouting Atlantic Monthly drivel and is no longer credible.  Ritter can
be very smart and knowledgeable about military affairs, but what he says still determines his credibility.  I will attribute Ritter's flip flop
to the information terror climate in NATzO.   If people want to earn money to eat, then they have to toe the line.

I think he is a bit behind the curve in that 1) the replenishment process by the West is not as effective as they would like it to be 2) the Russians had factored it in. But I think he is being honest in his analysis and again he said the Russians would ultimately win. He was also quite critical of the US government / military for following this path. I guess it is difficult to admit that your own people are wilfully doing shit like this.

Hole wrote:
The regime in Kiev/Lviv and his handlers in Washington/Brussels planned an attack on the Donbass. Helmer had an article that claimed even
an attack against Belgorod or even Rostov and Crimea. That´s why the best units were placed in the east, in the occupied parts of the Donbass
and Mariupol. None of these units were pulled back after the russian advance. So to claim that the best units are now suddenly in western "Ukraine"
or in Poland or Germany being trained by NATO is just another propaganda story. Keep on fighting till August then the new army will arrive!

Yeah, and still it does not prevent that many officials and more trained units are being moved from the front while the territorial units, conscripts and all kind of cannon fodder are being abandoned to their luck and used in the most cynical way. The front is a meat grinder and it does not take genius to figure that out, so ukrainians and their foreign curators are trying to oppose the attrition logic of the Russians the best they can.

The key in all this discussion is to what extent the different strategies are effective or not. The West has their own one, as do the Russians, it is just that the Russians seem to be destroying the ukies rather quicker than the West can replenish them.

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Zelensky wants to immediately resume negotiations...

"Kerensky said no"

(This one is from BattleTech)

franco wrote:Spriteer @spriteer_774400

Zelensky, in an interview with the Ukrainian media, said that now 700 thousand people are fighting from the Ukrainian side

Oh how I wish this were true, imagine solving 700k problems simultaneously?

Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

High-precision long-range sea-based Kalibr missiles near the Malin railway station in Zhytomir Region have destroyed a large batch of weapons and military equipment delivered from the USA and European countries for a grouping of Ukrainian troops in Donbass.

Russian air-based missiles near Odessa, at the Odessa Port Plant, have destroyed fuel storages intended for Ukrainian nationalists' armoured vehicles.

In addition, high-precision airborne missiles have hit 3 command posts, including the command post of the 109th Territorial Defence Brigade near Bakhmut, 36 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration, as well as 8 ammunition depots in Galitsinovo, Nikolaev Region, Nyrkovo in Lugansk People's Republic, Krasnyi Liman and Ocheretino in Donetsk People's Republic.

Operational-tactical and army aviation have hit 4 command posts, 47 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration, as well as 1 ammunition depot near Drobyshevo.

The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 270 nationalists and up to 52 armoured and motor vehicles.

Also, 1 Ukrainian Su-25 aircraft have been shot down by fighter aircraft during an aerial battle near Belitskoe, Donetsk Region.

Russian air defence means have shot down another Su-25 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force near Novoaleksandrovka, Kherson Region.

Also, 14 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles have been shot down in the air near Slavnoe, Krutaya Balka, Aleksandrovka, Krasnogorovka, Petropavlovka, Pervomaisk in Donetsk People's Republic, Popasnaya in Lugansk People's Republic, Novaya Kakhovka, Aleksandrovka in Kherson Region, Chervonyi Yar, Malye Prokhody, Kun'e and Brazhkovka in Kharkov Region.

In addition, 8 Ukrainian Smerch multiple-launch rockets have been shot down near Malaya Kamyshevakha, Kamenka, Brazhkovka in Kharkov Region and Chernobaevka in Kherson Region.

Missile troops and artillery have hit 77 command posts, 602 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration, including 1 training camp for AFU special operations forces with personnel near Lake Sasik in Odessa Region, 43 artillery and mortar units at firing positions, 2 MLRS Grad batteries, 10 ammunition depots and 1 Buk-M1 anti-aircraft system launcher near Mayaki in Kharkov Region.

In total, 174 Ukrainian aircraft and 125 helicopters, 966 unmanned aerial vehicles, 315 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,182 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 402 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,614 field artillery and mortars, as well as 3,054 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
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It seems that losing several pilots per day is a norm for Ukrainian Air Force.

Tolstoy wrote:My point was both self propelled howitzers and towed howitzers should use the same 152/155mm round.

Cheaper terminally guided artillery shells, cheap precision guided kits for shells of different caliber, new electronic fuzes that can themselves provide some guidance are all being progressively developed and deployed worldwide. Whoever can make them in bulk will have an advantage.

Russia too is working in these areas. Russian forum members, GarryB will have more insights.

On the subject of Ukrainian planes still flying:
During the Falklands War, the British could never stop the attacks of our air force.
Moreover, on the territory of the Falkland Islands themselves, there was a dirt track. This was attacked first by the Vulcan bombers and then by the Harriers and even bombarded with naval guns, but nevertheless it was always able to operate.
Even our aircraft stationed on the islands (although few and not very advanced) were able to operate for quite some time.
A C-130 Hercules transport plane carried out its last mission carrying weapons until hours before the Argentine surrender.

GarryB wrote:In fact you could argue that sending them super weapons leads to them exposing themselves to enemy fire power which is mincing them up faster than if they just dug a hole and hid with civilians on top to stop the artillery and air power.

Exactly what happened in the botched offensive few days ago in the southern part of the cauldron with the new Polish tanks, or what is happening in Kharkov with Russians pulling ukie forces out of the city to kill them better in the open. Doing this against a force with better targetting, artillery, missiles and air force is a suicide, but suicide is a sovereign decision after all

PapaDragon wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Zelensky wants to immediately resume negotiations...

"Kerensky said no"

(This one is from BattleTech)

How big was the afghan army that was prepared for years by NATO to fight the Taliban? 300.000?

Dr.snufflebug wrote " The only takeaway is that either the fronts are collapsing at an alarming rate, or WDC support is drying up, " well what we see is a consequence of the English policy of appeasement of Nazism ! Both during WWII and now of Azovites . The consequences in both cases , have been that the English fish and chip shops have been destroyed ! " .....they bombed our chippy....,  " and now , the English fish and chip shops closing , because of a lack of cooking oil and white fish , from Russia ! So Hitler can not eat Fish and Chips and Azovites must eat Cabbage , all day long ! That is the real " takeaway " from all this !!



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2gnWDNuumnI


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10819467/Ukraine-war-fish-chip-shops-close-amid-shortage-cod-sunflower-oil.html

At least one german supply reached the right side in this conflict.

How many times was this General killed?

Eugenio Argentina wrote:On the subject of Ukrainian planes still flying:
During the Falklands War, the British could never stop the attacks of our air force.
Moreover, on the territory of the Falkland Islands themselves, there was a dirt track. This was attacked first by the Vulcan bombers and then by the Harriers and even bombarded with naval guns, but nevertheless it was always able to operate.
Even our aircraft stationed on the islands (although few and not very advanced) were able to operate for quite some time.
A C-130 Hercules transport plane carried out its last mission carrying weapons until hours before the Argentine surrender.

Russia has satellites, drones, long-range smart missiles. It is unacceptable that the Ukrainian cockroaches continue to operate.

And the Argentine aviators were far superior in training to the Ukrainians. They were top-level professionals, recognized by the English.
Just look at the recordings of the attacks on the English fleet. The Argentines seemed to come out of Top Gun movie.

LMFS wrote:A cut in English of latest Vovan and Lexus prank... that old war criminal is destroyed by those two to the point it is almost embarrassing to watch

Hmm, I think they could have stitched that piece of shit up a bit more.
I don't know whether the Bushes are more verminous than stupid or the other way round.

Bush is a nefarious piece of garbage. The worst president in the history of the United States by far.
A drunken, ignorant bastard who left geopolitical chaos in the Middle East.
And that he easily forgot when Russia helped him in the "attack" in 2001. In the documentary 9/11, his secretaries of state thank Putin and Russia for having understood the situation of the maximum security alarm.
That's how he thanks you for that gesture, the bastard.

Hole wrote:

EL DIABLO !
There is no doubt that this helicopter is absolutely the biggest star of the air component of the Russian Armed Forces. Russian artillery is the biggest Nazi killer overall.
We already know that 114 new Ka-52Ms will be delivered to the Russian army by December 31, 2027. There will be many, many helicopters of this type in the Russian Air Force.

ArgentinaGuard wrote:

Eugenio Argentina wrote:On the subject of Ukrainian planes still flying:
During the Falklands War, the British could never stop the attacks of our air force.
Moreover, on the territory of the Falkland Islands themselves, there was a dirt track. This was attacked first by the Vulcan bombers and then by the Harriers and even bombarded with naval guns, but nevertheless it was always able to operate.
Even our aircraft stationed on the islands (although few and not very advanced) were able to operate for quite some time.
A C-130 Hercules transport plane carried out its last mission carrying weapons until hours before the Argentine surrender.

Russia has satellites, drones, long-range smart missiles. It is unacceptable that the Ukrainian cockroaches continue to operate.

And the Argentine aviators were far superior in training to the Ukrainians. They were top-level professionals, recognized by the English.
Just look at the recordings of the attacks on the English fleet. The Argentines seemed to come out of Top Gun movie.

The British also had satellites and the full support of NATO.
I don't know what a yankee bawdy movie has to do with the real war.

MonkeymodelBananaRepublic wrote:American chief of General Staff called Russian chief of General staff. Details to be published today

This is the only important news here concerning the progress of the special operation for many days. If the Americans have moved on to any negotiations, it means that they have huge problems.

Hole wrote:


How many times was this General killed?

Russian generals are so unfair man, they all have 9 lives and so the poor Ukes have to kill them 10 times. Here are today's generals killed by the Ukes

Alexander Suvorov
Mikhail Kutuzov
Georgi Zhukov
Ivan Konev
Semyon Temoshenko
Vasily Chuikov
Konstantin Rokossovsky
Mikhail Tukhachevsky
Alexander Menshikov
Mikhail Frunze

Wolfe Blitzer was euphoric to announce these dead generals on CNN, historians tried to tell him these are long dead Russian and Soviet commanders but he doubled down and said their deaths of old age were all part of the heroic "democratic" plan of Ukraine to outlast Russia.

Everyday life of bloody Russian aggressors:
A special headquarters has been set up in Russia to restore the liberated territories of Ukraine and Donbass. This was stated by Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Marat Khusnullin.
https://crimea-ria-ru.turbopages.org/turbo/crimea.ria.ru/s/20220520/v-rossii-sozdali-shtab-po-vosstanovleniyu-ukrainy-1123292532.html

Something surprises me here. Even here, on one of the few resources in the English-speaking sphere friendly to Russia, I have not yet seen some elementary conclusions. Many guys are writing here now and are outraged that Ukrainian aviation is still flying. However, let me remind you: Ukrainian aviation flies Soviet planes. And by doing so, they fully confirmed all Soviet concepts: even when they completely lost control of the sky, when their airfields are subjected to missile strikes, and their logistics chains are destroyed, Soviet combat aviation still remains combat-ready.

Could Western-made planes take to the skies in such conditions? I doubt.