flamming_python Sat May 21, 2022 3:36 am
11E wrote: flamming_python wrote: sepheronx wrote:
Yeah, 404 aircraft fly in from Romania, and are replenished by Su-27s, MiG-29s from whatever old Asian or African stocks. Deal with it.
Sir,
I'am afraid I disagree with you that Ukrainian fighter aircraft fly out from Romania (or another NATO country). It would be virtually impossible to hide this from the outside world.
It would be seen with Russian radar (ground and air)
It would be followed by Russian Electronic Warfare
It would be verified after that by Russian satellite
It would be verified by Russian people on the ground to be sure
All of these would be a legal casus belli to take action against NATO, a risk even NATO would not take. Or it would be used as evidence in the information war.
All NATO Combat Reporting Centers (radar stations) (at least in western Europe) are linked together. Also these stations are feed with AWACS imagery. The radar station in the Netherlands can see the air picture of a radar station in southern Germany and vice versa. An example, in the nineties it was possible to see the take-off of Russian Su-27s from Stargard-Kluczewo air base. It was easy to determine the so-called flying days of the Russian aircraft in East Germany and Poland. We used it to go there and take pictures...... So it must be possible to get an air picture whats flying around in Romania. All those radar operators have to keep their mouth about it. After some time someone will talk about it to colleagues and they tell it further.
The Ukrainian Su-27 which defected to Romania was photographed the exact moment it arrived at that airfield. If, a very big if, Ukrainian combat planes were flying out of Romania (or other NATO country) there would be pictures of it. It would be the opportunity of a lifetime for aircraft spotters to take photographs of combat loaded aircraft or to photograph battle damaged aircraft returning from a mission. Remember, it is still possible to go unhindered to an airfield here and take pictures.
Sincerely,
Lesley
There was already unverified info that this is why the Moskva was struck
Or rather what gave the Ukrainians such an opportunity
It moved into position to try and see where Ukrainian aircraft are flying out from with its radars. Turned out to be Romania.
Now this is unverified, could even call it a rumor.
But it makes a lot of sense. All Ukrainian airbases have long been bombed and taken out of commission. Maybe with the exception of Uzhgorod, but that's very far away from the fighting.
It's very hazardous to store much less operate planes from Ukrainian airbases.
Yet every few days we hear from the Russian MoD report that a Ukrainian Su-27, Mig-29, Su-25 or Su-24 has been shot down
On Colonelcassad they just reported the death of a mercenary pilot. The Ukrainian Air force looks suicidal, but nevertheless still active.
About the rest of the Intel means - it's a lot more conditional than radar. Aircraft can be hidden from satellite detection, with it being known when spy satellites pass over the location in any case. Airbase perimeters can be restricted access to, much as the Polish border for several KMs in was restricted access to for journalists and others during the migrant crisis with Belarus.
As for the public pronouncements of NATO about not doing this, or that, or supplying this but not supplying that - it all means rather nothing. It is war and disinformation is the default.
NATO has gone all in on the Ukraine and will do everything it calculates it can get away with.
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