Russian special military operation in Ukraine #16

It's a damn good thing the soviets built enough bunkers including tunnel systems all over Russia including metro lines to more or less survive a nuclear blast.

We don't have that out west. Only a few major bunkers for the elite and that's it. I guess decommissioned silos as well.

Those comments are not for western population or Russian

Those comments are exclusively for the VSU to continue the suicidal war

They don't give a shit what we think or what their own population thinks

It gives them justification to send money and aid, but since when do they need their population approval to do so

So in the end , those comments are for the hohol soldier who today we was the 115th issue a statement where they realized they were used for cannon fodder

This realization is slowly coming to the front of the mind of VSU

So Lloyd Austin calls shoigu demanding a ceasefire

He's denied

And then Stoltenberg begins the same trope that other western marionettes have said

"Ukraine will win the war"

None of them believe it, but they need to fight to the last Ukrainian

[quote="lancelot"]

Vann7 wrote:

lancelot
Most modern electronics are manufactured in Asia. And drones require things like high resolution CMOS image sensors. Which are only manufactured by a couple of companies in Japan and China. You might have heard that Canada was supplying drone cameras to Turkey. Well they supplied stabilized mounts. But the sensors and probably the lenses are imported for sure.

Indeed aware of all those details , but is irrelevant to the problems of russia , because im not discussing comparisons between scientist of america vs russia which one are better , is irrelevant. what im comparing is REALITY , that whatever thing that the collective west and its asian puppet electronic giants and israel produce , if any of their technoloogy is used in russia military drones or any other advanced weapons.. then russia will need to completely replace with something locally produced , for the reasons that the west can sanction it to block russia military from producing advance modern weapons ,like drones , or ai ,that are also important for Russia national defense. So if russian drones use japan cameras..or taiwan etc. then they are doomed because will not get anymore since americans controls them.. and this is the reason why russia drones use have been very very limited in ukraine ,not anywhere close as agressive as ukraine that get them for free / this drone warfare can win wars if they properly used , if they allowed to hit their enemies most important targets.. like warships , command centers , fue storage depots , to murder top generals, weapons depots etc etc etc.. they are extremely effective and efficient weapons , and can provide a real time intel of russian troops movemenst by the second and minute ,24 hours ,much better than satelittes in spaces. and russia war with ukraine have proven , how weak russia is..

The reason why there are so few suppliers is that you need a dedicated fab to make CMOS sensors, they cost a lot, and to pay for the fab you need to sell tens of millions of sensor units. Only Japanese consumer digital camera manufacturers, like Sony, and Chinese digital security camera manufacturers, like Hikvision, have enough volume to pay for such fabs. You won't find such fabs in the US either. And yet you expect Russia to have them.

indeed ,
expect that any nation that start a war against any other nation , full knowing that nato was going to help with near everything they have to make russia fail ,then they better be sure they are well prepared for that fight.. [b] you say that is very expensive to build dedicated fabs.. but not as expensive as russia waste of money building pipelines to europe , because most of russia debt ,that they got from the west from a decade ago, near a trillion of dollars used to build pipelines and energy infrastructure in europe. this was russia trying to create a monopoly in countries americans can fully control. it was a very unwise move. japan is controlled by americans, so russia can't depend on any tech that can be sanctioned by their enemies, is as simple as that.. and much more expensive is not properly arming your military
losing so much soldiers aside that nothing in the world is more expensive than losing a war , because of the soldiers killed, the massive civil unrest that could trigger the nation collapse on top ofthe many years of poverty the nation will face and abandoning of population of their country. so every ruble for russia is worth of it , for full independence of russia in the high tech electronic industry ,including semiconductors , digital cameras ,artificial intelligence , robots and drones. Russia do found up to 100 billions of dollars for totally foolish sport activities ,, that today they receive absolutely zero benefit from it .. in terms of influence with the west. or national and military security.

Investment in sports, it depends, if you are paying for public gyms, you are increasing the physical fitness of the population. And that will be important not just to increase overall health of your population but to improve physical fitness for the pool of possible military troops later.

sports can be important indeed , but not more important than national security.
and There will be no health left with russian cities under shelling by nato provided artillery. that is killing russian citizens , women and children ,i assure you people the last thing will want is "good fitness " and win olympic medals ,when enemies shelling their cities. rather russia invest every ruble they can in a real modernization of their nation economy and in real nation developent , and in their national security. if there is an alliance working to destroy russia , then putin will be a food if he don't try to disband it , something he could do with superior business ,than the one the collective west control. japan and taiwan needs to be defeated , sothe collective west lose their influence.
but wasting the money so much in celebrations of the soviet past victories or celebration of "healthy sport" international expensive events ,that people get lifetime injuries for a stupid medal ,will definitevely not help russia to ever develop their country if they don't take seriously their need for a real independent high tech industry,. this doesn't include the massive waste of money of russia in bodyguarding other natons.. that in no way contribute to russia national security or nation development , it only adds a ton of pressure on russian budget ,that needs to feed them and provide weapons them for free. Russia is not america and they can't afford to waste a single ruble in meaningless policies or internationals celebrations.

what putin needs to invest and promote is not "healthy sports" or fitness.. that is that people drop school and abandon university ,to become champions in ping pong or track and hockey and other meaningless sport events to win olympic medals. What russian government should be promoting
is space exploration medals , computer speed and robotic and ai development medals , promoting
arts and music , things that helps society to be better people and helps the creation of a modern culture. An education revolution is what russia needs..that could create a post industrial revolution, and not waste money in meaningless and cosmetic distractions. russia can't afford to lose money
in distractions , better invest their money in making russia business much more advanced so they help china in building a real alternative to the collective business that the west control and rule the world.

Vann7 wrote:
Review of Orlan
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Don't see why Orlan can't be made even cheaper, those cameras look expensive, and better to get a cheap Chinese knockoff instead. Other than that, it's an expendable recon drone, sometimes it's used as bait to draw out AA teams as well before covering them with artillery.

Regular wrote:

Vann7 wrote:
Review of Orlan
d-_GNgb9POY

Don't see why Orlan can't be made even cheaper, those cameras look expensive, and better to get a cheap Chinese knockoff instead. Other than that, it's an expendable recon drone, sometimes it's used as bait to draw out AA teams as well before covering them with artillery.

Why? The more they produce local made cameras, the cheaper it becomes.

Yeah I like the idea of the Orlan being a cheap but capable drone

Sort of thing you can mass produce and not worry about. They have laser designators as well, because you never know what you might come across that you'd want a Krasnopol shell to deal with

As for the rest of Vann's post, I dare not view it in any detail, but I do like the idea of using aerostats with radars deployed along the border. Have them a dozen KMs in and they'll still be able to spot anything on approach from a long distance.

It's a slow week.

Vann7 wrote:Finally discovered , the puzzle of why the Russian military shows such incredible weakness in both ,providing air cover to their ground troops from ukraine drones and in being efficient in their use of their own drones , and counter ukraine using exactly their same tactics.

Thank you for this message, as it gave me opportunity to put you on ignore.
P.S. Your name along with  picture, should be in every dictionary under entry for idiot.

AlfaT8 wrote:It's a slow week.

Waste of time, Civilians operating Javelins and T-14 deployed to Ukraine were peak stupidity of this video

flamming_python wrote:7 US mercs killed in Rubezhnoe, according to a Chechen Rosgvardia commander there

https://t.me/mapsukraine/707

They were holding out at the local factory which was the last location of resistance but a major one

Heads for confirmation (they don't need them anymore)

caveat emptor wrote:

Vann7 wrote:Finally discovered , the puzzle of why the Russian military shows such incredible weakness in both ,providing air cover to their ground troops from ukraine drones and in being efficient in their use of their own drones , and counter ukraine using exactly their same tactics.

Thank you for this message, as it gave me opportunity to put you on ignore.
P.S. Your name along with your picture, should be in every dictionary under entry for idiot.

It's the initiation ritual of RDF. Put Vann7 on ignore. Everyone figures that out whether it's sooner or whether it's later

flamming_python wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

Vann7 wrote:Finally discovered , the puzzle of why the Russian military shows such incredible weakness in both ,providing air cover to their ground troops from ukraine drones and in being efficient in their use of their own drones , and counter ukraine using exactly their same tactics.

Thank you for this message, as it gave me opportunity to put you on ignore.
P.S. Your name along with your picture, should be in every dictionary under entry for idiot.

It's the initiation ritual of RDF. Put Vann7 on ignore. Everyone figures that out whether it's sooner or whether it's later

Indeed

AlfaT8 wrote:It's a slow week.

I honestly think this should be a banable offense for posting something so ridiculously bad.

unconfirmed information..
apparently Foreign mercenary captured at azov plant




if this turns to be confirmed , it will explain the very desperate attempts of ukraine ,
to evacuate them by many helicopters by sea in impossible like missions.

Arkanghelsk wrote:But how can you disregard Finland if they begin to pose a threat to the border?
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So how can you ignore such a problem?

Main question is whether Finland is actual threat or not?

If it's a threat then you have to take into account the facts that after WW2 Finland was given a slap on the wrist in exchange for neutrality which they would be reneging on now, that there's nothing in Finland itself that Russia needs in one piece nor is there anyone in Finland whom Russia needs alive

So if they are a threat Russia should wait until Finland officially joins NATO and within 24 hours start nuking their military sites, once those run out move to population centers starting with smaller ones and work your way up to Helsinki (unless Finns stop being idiots during the tanning process and cry uncle)



And please spare me the whining about "nAtO aRtIclE fIvE" because nobody in USA will be dying over fucking Finland (or any European nobody for that matter), USA can nuke something comparable like Kyrgyzstan but if they touch Russian territory it's MAD time

(If they go for Tartus then Rammstein gets canned sunshine, it's all about proportionate response)



If however Finland is not actually a threat then Russia should carry on as usual (Finland has been acting like NATO in all but name for years and Russia wasn't doing anything big over it)

flamming_python wrote:

As for the rest of Vann's post, I dare not view it in any detail, but I do like the idea of using aerostats with radars deployed along the border. Have them a dozen KMs in and they'll still be able to spot anything on approach from a long distance.

and that was my idea  , which by the way i posted many years ago , when told the truth
that those s-400s will not be enough to protect russia properly that can be saturated very easily by drones as we saw in the armenian conflict with two s-300s ,tors ,buks and iskanders that were destroyed. unfortunately inmature people prefer russian mod propaganda ,that "Everything is going according to the plan" even when so much humiliation to their military and navy ,and even russian cities now shelled every day .  


Mature people ,accept reality even if they don't like it.. the last thing russia military needs is
praising their poor tactics and their propaganda ,when they say ,"Everything going according to the plan". If this is the way russia plan to fight nato , how they doing to ukraine ,then they better
think again , because this tactics will not work in any way , if nato airforce was there in ukraine bombing russian forces. Russia army have potential ,but a lot of their tactics are simply wrong , they need air domination if want to really end the too many casualties of their soldiers.

mnztr wrote:

ALAMO wrote:You should not smoke that shit, seriously.

The reality is, Russia is already at war with NATO and not taking this seriously. All these people are not taking the threat of nuclear war and its danger seriously, therefore the deterrent value of nuclear weapons is declining dangerously. A harsh reminder needs to be issued or we are all in peril.

It's not Russia's job to worry about​ nuclear war or someone's peril, if it happens it will happen, nothing to get hysterical about

Most of Russia's security​ problems stem from taking nuclear war too seriously instead of going with the flow

Arkanghelsk wrote:...So this meant for average hohol warrior, I guess that they want them to keep fighting

Nonetheless it probably means VSU will not surrender anytime soon...

Out-fuckin-standing

This means that good things will be happening for a very long time and that sufficient amount of Ukrainians will be converted to fertilizer

Worst possible scenario would be for this war to end quickly, it's not even first winter yet

Finland is not a threat to Russia as it fails to meet the criteria. It has no claims over Russian territory, does not oppress ethnic Russians on their own lands, does not host terrorist organizations plotting attacks in Russia, does not make belligerent statements or state its intention to attack civilian or military infrastructure in Russia, does not hint at any plans for a WMD program aimed at Russia, and does not consider the idea of hosting anyone else's nuclear missiles targeted against Russia on its own territory

The Ukraine meanwhile fell down on all of these counts. It claimed the Crimea. It oppressed Russians in the Donbass and in wider Ukraine. It hosted and co-ordinated with all sorts of nationalist and Crimean Tatar Islamist extremists who were detained on occasion in the Crimea planning to carry out various attacks, or in some case actually carrying them out. It threatened to blow up the Crimean Bridge and other infrastructure in the Crimea. Zelensky voiced his preference for the Ukraine to restart its nuclear weapons program. And there was an accusation by Russia that the Ukraine was a potential hosting site for US missiles - presumably not an unfounded allegation.

We can qualify Finland as a comprador regime for the US and one that's about to join an expansionist military alliance - but it is ultimately their right to do so, including to ensure their own security as well if they feel it's at risk. It's their right to be a US client state.
If Finland joins NATO but does not before or after, act to become a threat to Russia - then I don't see a big problem

PapaDragon wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:But how can you disregard Finland if they begin to pose a threat to the border?
.........
So how can you ignore such a problem?

Main question is whether Finland is actual threat or not?

If it's a threat then you have to take into account the facts that after WW2 Finland was given a slap on the wrist in exchange for neutrality which they would be reneging on now, that there's nothing in Finland itself that Russia needs in one piece nor is there anyone in Finland whom Russia needs alive

So if they are a threat Russia should wait until Finland officially joins NATO and within 24 hours start nuking their military sites, once those run out move to population centers starting with smaller ones and work your way up to Helsinki (unless Finns stop being idiots during the tanning process and cry uncle)



And please spare me the whining about "nAtO aRtIclE fIvE" because nobody in USA will be dying over fucking Finland (or any European nobody for that matter), USA can nuke something comparable like Kyrgyzstan but if they touch Russian territory it's MAD time

(If they go for Tartus then Rammstein gets canned sunshine, it's all about proportionate response)



If however Finland is not actually a threat then Russia should carry on as usual (Finland has been acting like NATO in all but name for years and Russia wasn't doing anything big over it)

But now if they join NATO they will be doing the bidding of the US to confront Russia, and breaking their peace treaty obligation to be neutral. Does Russia just say MEH? Perhaps Russia should just get out and say they will plan for a special militray operation to counter Finnish actions.

mnztr wrote:But now if they join NATO they will be doing the bidding of the US to confront Russia, and breaking their peace treaty obligation to be neutral. Does Russia just say MEH? Perhaps Russia should just get out and say they will plan for a special militray operation to counter Finnish actions.

It can do. But so far it has acted sanely. NATO members are different you know. Turkey is also a NATO member, but you wouldn't call it a state out to do just Uncle Sam's bidding. They have a conception of their own interests, including their own security relations with Russia that they don't wish to strain.

Finland is a loyal US client state but it's not a total tool, it has not acted belligerently in any way towards Russia thus far and there is simply no evidence that they would switch to Ukraine-style retardation or even just Lithuania/Poland-style retardation if they join NATO. Likely, nothing much will change.

AlfaT8 wrote:It's a slow week.

Total and complete shit. Read the comments for a good laugh!!!

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Wow, all of that text because the cheap mass-produced model airplane that is the Orlan-10 has cheap off-the-shelf electronics and doesn't come with space lasers installed.

Anyone dissing the Orlan-10 does not know what they are talking about.

Of all the systems in the Russian arsenal the Orlan-10 is probably indirectly responsible for the vast majority of Ukrainian combat deaths. Even with conservative Ukrainian losses the only thing that comes close would be the Predator drone - and that's over a 20 year career of murdering civilians.

I will bet good money, that the numero uno military problem on everyone's list is how to counter the Russian D4C meta: cheap drones spotting for legions of tubes with bottomless stocks of shells and rockets. If you can't find a way to reliably beat this one Russian trick better learn how to say surrender in Russian.

lyle6 wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Wow, all of that text because the cheap mass-produced model airplane that is the Orlan-10 has cheap off-the-shelf electronics and doesn't come with space lasers installed.

Anyone dissing the Orlan-10 does not know what they are talking about.

Of all the systems in the Russian arsenal the Orlan-10 is probably indirectly responsible for the vast majority of Ukrainian combat deaths. Even with conservative Ukrainian losses the only thing that comes close would be the Predator drone - and that's over a 20 year career of murdering civilians.

I will bet good money, that the numero uno military problem on everyone's list is how to counter the Russian D4C meta: cheap drones spotting for legions of tubes with bottomless stocks of shells and rockets. If you can't find a way to reliably beat this one Russian trick better learn how to say surrender in Russian.

Russia has dozens of different types of drones, the Orlan-10 is the tool of choice for the task at hand.
https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/russian-drone-aircraft.php

If all they need is recon, then little point using something bigger, easier target, and way more expensive.