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    Post  Isos Tue May 10, 2022 5:13 pm

    Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:This special surgery shows one thing quite well. With drones ala TB-2 and with high Support and care, you can annoy the enemy a little. But it is very, very expensive when TorM2 is there. But if you have no AD, especially no TorM2 you are lost.

    It won't be long and everyone will want to buy Tor. The NATO have no Unit and Weapon in this Class  = Lose hard on the Ground.

    Tor still has a small range against small drones. Even with 12-24 systems, which is what small-medium armies can afford, you will have hard time protecting all your troops.
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    Post  Azi Tue May 10, 2022 5:13 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    Russia wasn't pushed back from anything, what stupid nonsense is this

    It's a withdrawal like Kiev

    Holding the line close to Kharkov with 5 BTG is worthless

    Bringing them into the open is the way to go,

    It's simple doctrine, transition from defense to counterattack to offense

    We are still in defense despite west predicting phase 2 weeks ago

    Why shift to the offense when the enemy is destroying their own capability chasing Russian army into an artillery gridlock that's zeroed every inch of real estate on the grid map

    They're gonna get blown to smithereens as in every engagement of this war

    Russia has ample forces, but it won't throw them into a senseless defensive position,  it will hold them in 2nd and 3rd echelon until offensive begins

    This isn't western doctrine, it's warfare of General Staff
    We will see...if they retreat further it's a pushback and a defeat. If they will hold the line and pound the Ukro Nazis as hard as they can it could be a genius move. The line between genius and madness is thin...same applies to defeat or glorious victory.

    We will see!
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue May 10, 2022 5:15 pm

    Azi wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    Russia wasn't pushed back from anything, what stupid nonsense is this

    It's a withdrawal like Kiev

    Holding the line close to Kharkov with 5 BTG is worthless

    Bringing them into the open is the way to go,

    It's simple doctrine, transition from defense to counterattack to offense

    We are still in defense despite west predicting phase 2 weeks ago

    Why shift to the offense when the enemy is destroying their own capability chasing Russian army into an artillery gridlock that's zeroed every inch of real estate on the grid map

    They're gonna get blown to smithereens as in every engagement of this war

    Russia has ample forces, but it won't throw them into a senseless defensive position,  it will hold them in 2nd and 3rd echelon until offensive begins

    This isn't western doctrine, it's warfare of General Staff
    We will see...if they retreat further it's a pushback and a defeat. If they will hold the line and pound the Ukro Nazis as hard as they can it could be a genius move. The line between genius and madness is thin...same applies to defeat or glorious victory.

    We will see!

    See popasnaya for reference

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    Post  Azi Tue May 10, 2022 5:16 pm

    Are there actually trustworthy organizations to support the rebels' fight against the Ukrainian Nazis and how could I transfer something from Germany? Has anyone had any experience or information?

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    Post  Azi Tue May 10, 2022 5:23 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:

    Russia wasn't pushed back from anything, what stupid nonsense is this

    It's a withdrawal like Kiev
    Fun fact...there is no really heavy fighting around Karkov, just a retreat. So maybe can be a trick to lure the Ukro Nazis out of Kharkov. I hope so!!!
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue May 10, 2022 5:23 pm

    ludovicense wrote:The world goes around many times.... things started badly for Russia with the somewhat botched attempt to win the war quickly.... it didn't work....

    Winning this war quickly would have been death sentence for Russia (as weird as it sounds)

    Fortunately it didn't happen and they went with smarter solution afterwards, shame those Russian grunts had to lose their balls for Russian MoD to start using their heads...



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    Post  Azi Tue May 10, 2022 5:25 pm

    ludovicense wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
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    diabetus wrote:UAF MiG-29 blatantly flying over donetsk oblast in broad daylight...
    Ukrainian Air Force MiG-29 fighter shot down near Severodonetsk

    Blatantly shot down Cool

    Being a Ukrainian air force pilot must be the worst job in the world.
    If you have an 85% chance of dying, you have to be mentally done with everything.
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    Post  Hole Tue May 10, 2022 5:35 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Belisarius wrote:
    diabetus wrote:UAF MiG-29 blatantly flying over donetsk oblast in broad daylight...
    Ukrainian Air Force MiG-29 fighter shot down near Severodonetsk

    Blatantly shot down Cool

    Reminds me of a ironic comment a while ago. Pentagram stated that Russia was using artillery and air strikes before sending in infantry in the Donbass. Reaction of one dude: "They´re cheating!" Laughing

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    Post  JohninMK Tue May 10, 2022 5:35 pm

    Hit it up the bum by the look of it. This is the burnt out T-90M seen before.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue May 10, 2022 5:39 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    Russia wasn't pushed back from anything, what stupid nonsense is this

    It's a withdrawal like Kiev

    Holding the line close to Kharkov with 5 BTG is worthless

    Bringing them into the open is the way to go,

    It's simple doctrine, transition from defense to counterattack to offense

    We are still in defense despite west predicting phase 2 weeks ago

    Why shift to the offense when the enemy is destroying their own capability chasing Russian army into an artillery gridlock that's zeroed every inch of real estate on the grid map

    They're gonna get blown to smithereens as in every engagement of this war

    Russia has ample forces, but it won't throw them into a senseless defensive position,  it will hold them in 2nd and 3rd echelon until offensive begins

    This isn't western doctrine, it's warfare of General Staff

    Yeah definately the smart play here at work

    The real-life equivalent of base-camping with a sniper rifle covering the enemy's spawn points as well with a rocket launcher.
    Don't allow an inch to the fuckers
    And there's no admin to kick Russia out of the server here either. As much as this is all to Washington's and London's clear chagrin, they'll just have to take it on the chin. They have no way of helping the Ukrainians in an artillery and cruise missile duel with Russia, and the hollywood dolittle fuckery ended with the disaster on Snake island.

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Tue May 10, 2022 5:43 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Hit it up the bum by the look of it. This is the burnt out T-90M seen before.

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    Post  Azi Tue May 10, 2022 5:46 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Hit it up the bum by the look of it. This is the burnt out T-90M seen before.

    Looks like the rocket was shot out of the forest. Definitely a hit in the back left.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue May 10, 2022 6:00 pm

    Azi wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Hit it up the bum by the look of it. This is the burnt out T-90M seen before.
    Looks like the rocket was shot out of the forest. Definitely a hit in the back left.


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    Correction, firendly tank from north hit him.....

    For some reason tank was abandoned, crew fled while they blew up tank

    He was destroyed by his own forces so that would not be Ghanima

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    Post  Azi Tue May 10, 2022 6:05 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    Russia wasn't pushed back from anything, what stupid nonsense is this

    It's a withdrawal like Kiev

    Holding the line close to Kharkov with 5 BTG is worthless

    Bringing them into the open is the way to go,

    It's simple doctrine, transition from defense to counterattack to offense

    We are still in defense despite west predicting phase 2 weeks ago

    Why shift to the offense when the enemy is destroying their own capability chasing Russian army into an artillery gridlock that's zeroed every inch of real estate on the grid map

    They're gonna get blown to smithereens as in every engagement of this war

    Russia has ample forces, but it won't throw them into a senseless defensive position,  it will hold them in 2nd and 3rd echelon until offensive begins

    This isn't western doctrine, it's warfare of General Staff
    According to the latest news Ukraine has reached the russian border near Ternova. Now Belgorod is in artillery range! And artillery shells are not really interceptable by air defense.

    To be honest, Udy is just as far away. That doesn't mean that Belgorod will be attacked now.


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    Post  Azi Tue May 10, 2022 6:05 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Azi wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Hit it up the bum by the look of it. This is the burnt out T-90M seen before.
    Looks like the rocket was shot out of the forest. Definitely a hit in the back left.


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    For some reason tank was abandoned, crew fled while they blew up tank

    He was destroyed by his own forces so that would not be Ghanima
    Ah okay...smart move if correct!
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    Post  Azi Tue May 10, 2022 6:14 pm

    The problem with withdrawing from Kharkov is that the Ukraine thinks it can win... morale will increase and more and more people will join the fight. In addition, the west will also believe that it can win the war against Russia and deliver more and better weapon systems.

    It's not just about the military here, the psychological factor must not be forgotten here. A retreat might save the lives of dozens of Russian soldiers, but many more will die as a result of Ukraine's moral victory. I don't know if they take that into account in the Russian General Staff? In addition I see Bucha 2.0 incoming.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue May 10, 2022 6:20 pm

    Azi wrote:The problem with withdrawing from Kharkov is that the Ukraine thinks it can win... morale will increase and more and more people will join the fight.

    Good, more Nazis for fertilizer


    Azi wrote:In addition, the west will also believe that it can win the war against Russia and deliver more and better weapon systems.

    Good, more fuel for the cruise missile fire


    Azi wrote:It's not just about the military here, the psychological factor must not be forgotten here. A retreat might save the lives of dozens of Russian soldiers, but many more will die as a result of Ukraine's moral victory.

    Moral victory never delivered war victory

    Moral is irrelevant


    Azi wrote:I don't know if they take that into account in the Russian General Staff? In addition I see Bucha 2.0 incoming.

    Too small area for another Bucha

    Besides, if Ukrops need another one they will easily manufacture it anywhere they need to


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    Post  Azi Tue May 10, 2022 6:27 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Moral victory never delivered war victory

    Moral is irrelevant
    I would say that is the most important factor of all....much more important than modern weapons Without morals there is no fight! When morale is high, you fight to the last man, to the last breath.
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    Post  lyle6 Tue May 10, 2022 6:30 pm

    Men are meat. Your morale, spirit, elan, call it whatever, will not save you when the bullet meets the bone.

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    Post  caveat emptor Tue May 10, 2022 6:34 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Azi wrote:The problem with withdrawing from Kharkov is that the Ukraine thinks it can win... morale will increase and more and more people will join the fight.

    Good, more Nazis for fertilizer


    Azi wrote:In addition, the west will also believe that it can win the war against Russia and deliver more and better weapon systems.

    Good, more fuel for the cruise missile fire


    Azi wrote:It's not just about the military here, the psychological factor must not be forgotten here. A retreat might save the lives of dozens of Russian soldiers, but many more will die as a result of Ukraine's moral victory.

    Moral victory never delivered war victory

    Moral is irrelevant


    Azi wrote:I don't know if they take that into account in the Russian General Staff? In addition I see Bucha 2.0 incoming.

    Too small area for another Bucha

    Besides, if Ukrops need another one they will easily manufacture it anywhere they need to


    If theories about baiting Ukrainians outside of Kharkov are correct, we should get a response very soon. In the next day or two, at most.

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    Post  par far Tue May 10, 2022 6:34 pm

    This is how people in Las Vegas are helping Ukrainian women.

    "In Las Vegas, there is a casting of Ukrainian women to work as strippers."

    https://t.me/TheEternalUkrainian2/6132

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    Post  flamming_python Tue May 10, 2022 6:37 pm

    Azi wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Moral victory never delivered war victory

    Moral is irrelevant
    I would say that is the most important factor of all....much more important than modern weapons Without morals there is no fight! When morale is high, you fight to the last man, to the last breath.

    The Ukrs have already proven themselves to be the perfect zombie cannon-fodder, ready to fight to their last breath for the benefit of American and British interests.
    Hats off to them, admirable loyalty there. Just a few pats to the cheek now and again to remind them of how important they are and they'll remain in the fight.

    As for Kharkov, no the withdrawal is too small-scale to affect much, and no-one can seriously spin it as much of a victory.
    What does concern me is the fate of the villages Russia withdrew from. It's a betrayal, many of these Kharkov settlements actually support Russia. What I can say is that after Bucha, everyone friendly-disposed would have taken up the Russian offer this time around to evacuate temporarily, until Russia returns there.

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    Post  Azi Tue May 10, 2022 6:43 pm

    lyle6 wrote:Men are meat. Your morale, spirit, elan, call it whatever, will not save you when the bullet meets the bone.
    Yes really??? If you are a ukrainian fighter pilot for example....and I will tell you will die 98 % and the war is lost...would you fly the sortie? If I tell you your side will win for sure and the chance to die is only 20 %...would you fly? And in both cases the real situation is the same!

    If you compare Taliban with USA, only from technical view and numbers...you would bet not a single Cent on Taliban. Who won?
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    Post  limb Tue May 10, 2022 6:48 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:The huge grouping in Belarus never left either

    Russia left behind immense forces in Belarus

    Waiting for Poland to make their move

    Poland isn't going to go into the war, with their own troops.

    So that excuse for holding back is just a silly ass excuse.

    Also didn't you say Russians forces aren't taking any losses in their slow advance, you need to stop saying ridiculous things.

    If the Russians have these immense forces you speak of, they should have been committed by now or at least parts of them.

    Yet I see none of that

    The poles want to enter west Ukraine just like the US occupied northern Syria. They hope article 5 will discourage the Russians from destroying them. Given the pussyfooting of Russian politicians, that's kind of plausible. The poles will be safe as long as they have some US special forces embedded into their formation. This will make the Russians pussy out just like they pussies out in not bombing attacking Al Tanf and the YPG occupied oil fields.

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