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    Post  Hole Thu May 12, 2022 5:10 pm

    The only side which knows how many dead Ukreich soldiers are lying around in the villages and fields are the Russians. Because the Kiev regime doesn´t bother, it´s the
    Russian Army and Friends that are collecting dead bodies and bury them.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Thu May 12, 2022 5:19 pm

    Those Polish 200 tanks are T-72m1. I do not predict a stellar combat record for them.

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    Post  caveat emptor Thu May 12, 2022 5:32 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Those Polish 200 tanks are T-72m1. I do not predict a stellar combat record for them.
    Yes, they are quite old. Equivalent to T-72A from the end of 70's. Weaker armour, engine and old gun.

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    Post  mnztr Thu May 12, 2022 5:45 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Those Polish 200 tanks are T-72m1. I do not predict a stellar combat record for them.

    Off to the Ukranian recycling bin

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    Post  flamming_python Thu May 12, 2022 5:49 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Those Polish 200 tanks are T-72m1. I do not predict a stellar combat record for them.

    The Ukrs put some K-1 ERA on those they had the time for

    But yeah, it's seriously old shit. The base armour, the optics, the shells how the fk are you supposed to engage modern tanks with this stuff?

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    Post  Sujoy Thu May 12, 2022 6:18 pm

    According to some Indian journalists, Ukranian officers have commented in their circles that Javelin proved almost useless in urban fighting because it needs some clear airspace near shooter to climb high and something was always getting in the way

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    Post  Hinex1988 Thu May 12, 2022 6:37 pm

    ⚡Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

    💥High-precision air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace  Forces have hit 4 command posts, 38 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, 4 ammunition depots near Soledar in the Donetsk People's Republic, and 1 US-made counter-battery radar station near Kharkov.
    The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 170 nationalists and up to 41 armoured and motor vehicles.

    ✈💥Operational-tactical and army aviation have hit 45 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration as well as 1 fuel depot for Ukrainian military equipment near Vrubovka, Lugansk People's Republic.

    💥Artillery units have hit 14 command posts, 7 artillery units at firing positions and 358 areas of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment concentration.

    ▫In addition, 1 S-300 anti-aircraft missile launcher has been also destroyed near Dolina, Kharkov Region.

    💥During the day, air defence means have shot down 5 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Glubokoe, Liptsy in Kharkov Region, Aleksandrovka and Donetsk, as well as 10 rockets from Smerch MLRS near Polevoe in the Donetsk People's Republic.

    ▫In addition, 1 unmanned aerial vehicle has been shot down in the air over Snake Island and 3 Ukrainian Tochka-U ballistic missiles have been intercepted.

    📊In total, 164 Ukrainian aircraft and 125 helicopters, 827 unmanned aerial vehicles, 304 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,022 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 366 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,479 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,832 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

    #MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
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    Post  diabetus Thu May 12, 2022 6:39 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Those Polish 200 tanks are T-72m1. I do not predict a stellar combat record for them.
    Yes, they are quite old. Equivalent to T-72A from the end of 70's. Weaker armour, engine and old gun.

    Some of them have thermals thought
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    Post  diabetus Thu May 12, 2022 6:40 pm

    Sujoy wrote:According to some Indian journalists, Ukranian officers have commented in their circles that Javelin proved almost useless in urban fighting because it needs some clear airspace near shooter to climb high and something was always getting in the way

    They can just use direct fire mode...
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    Post  diabetus Thu May 12, 2022 6:41 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Those Polish 200 tanks are T-72m1. I do not predict a stellar combat record for them.

    The Ukrs put some K-1 ERA on those they had the time for

    But yeah, it's seriously old shit. The base armour, the optics, the shells how the fk are you supposed to engage modern tanks with this stuff?

    Load up with HE for fire support purposes.
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    Post  flamming_python Thu May 12, 2022 6:45 pm

    Keep in mind the DNR and LNR also publish their own regular briefings, about how much they've destroyed and captured over the course of the day

    So these Rus MoD reports aren't even the whole story

    Of course there are other federal organs engaged such as Rosgvardia, but they don't report on their activities

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    Post  flamming_python Thu May 12, 2022 7:05 pm

    diabetus wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Those Polish 200 tanks are T-72m1. I do not predict a stellar combat record for them.
    Yes, they are quite old. Equivalent to T-72A from the end of 70's. Weaker armour, engine and old gun.

    Some of them have thermals thought

    From where?

    They'll have night vision sights such as this

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    In combination with an IR searchlight located on the exterior of the vehicle. You switch on the IR searchlight and then look through the night vision sight - and you'll see out a certain distance depending on weather conditions, maybe 1-2km on average.
    Alternatively if the other poor fucker is forced to use the IR searchlights too (possible if its a DNR T-72B or a Russian T-80BV) then you can forgo switching on your own and simply use your sights in passive mode to catch the enemy tank lighting up like a lighthouse beacon.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu May 12, 2022 7:16 pm

    A nice selection of Nazis liquidated in Azovstal over the past week

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    Mosha Artyom. Weird fking name. Boxing champion of Kiev. Denazified

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    Vladimir Khodakovsky. Denazified

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    Look at this wiseass. Master of sports in Greco-Roman wrestling. Mikhail something. Denazified

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    Some sniper with a beard. Denazified

    Thing about all these goons is
    The West has convinced them all that they're Batman superheroes, and who are winning the war.
    Truth of the matter is though they're the uncredited henchmen of the Batman TV show on sundays. That's their actual role.

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    Post  Sprut-B Thu May 12, 2022 7:34 pm

    JohninMK wrote: Well Moscow is only 3 months into its foray into the Ukraine and the lowest estimates show they have lost around 15K troops, its still the honeymoon period , but when the Russian public start to wake up to the fact that they have lost so many of their fathers, brothers and sons then expect outrage.
    Wives of Ukrainian soldiers are protesting  
    https://t.me/intelslava/28381

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    Post  caveat emptor Thu May 12, 2022 7:54 pm

    Interesting post of Starshy Eddie, who is in Izyum, at the moment, and talks with alot of military people. Talks about problem of deficits of some basic things due to peculiarities of arms orders. Interesting thing is that Sasha Kots and Evgeny Poddubny mentioned same.
    https://t.me/vysokygovorit/7879

    The problem of the shortage in the troops of the necessary and relatively cheap products in sufficient quantities - from air bomb modification kits to individual walkie-talkies and modern pistols - lies in the peculiarities of relations between industry and the state in the last 8 years.

    Defense spending, including the purchase of new weapons and military equipment, has been stagnant since about 2014. Under these conditions, the gross volume of special profit cannot be raised, especially considering the domestic procedures for determining prices for products under the state defense order.

    In this regard, it became profitable for the industry to sell technically complex and expensive systems at the maximum margin per unit, rather than to produce hundreds of thousands of cheap products at a small margin. This interest grew as large-scale production of anything required serious investments in production facilities, which was not always available even with government guarantees.

    Finally, it was much easier to draw the attention of both the press and purchasing services to expensive systems than to explain why this unprepossessing “young designer + young electrician” set of plastic, metal and wires is needed, the purchase of which in the necessary gigantic quantities requires the restructuring of factories and contracts worth hundreds of billions of rubles.

    The result is obvious - we have mass-produced cruise missiles worth tens of millions of rubles and aircraft worth billions. But most of the targets these aircraft will hit with free-falling air bombs, because their development into correctable bombs was postponed several times in favor of more complex and expensive systems. Exactly the same situation is observed in the production of nondescript and inexpensive, but very important military items - from first aid kits and boots to walkie-talkies and microdrones.
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    Post  Hole Thu May 12, 2022 7:59 pm

    Those western commentators are always suggesting that the russian people should be outraged about losses and bring down the government while their own governments started one war after the other with tens of thousand of dead western soldiers/mercenaries and the politicians that did this are heralded as great leaders/statesmen.

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    Post  diabetus Thu May 12, 2022 8:16 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    diabetus wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Those Polish 200 tanks are T-72m1. I do not predict a stellar combat record for them.
    Yes, they are quite old. Equivalent to T-72A from the end of 70's. Weaker armour, engine and old gun.

    Some of them have thermals thought

    From where?

    They'll have night vision sights such as this

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    In combination with an IR searchlight located on the exterior of the vehicle. You switch on the IR searchlight and then look through the night vision sight - and you'll see out a certain distance depending on weather conditions, maybe 1-2km on average.
    Alternatively if the other poor fucker is forced to use the IR searchlights too (possible if its a DNR T-72B or a Russian T-80BV) then you can forgo switching on your own and simply use your sights in passive mode to catch the enemy tank lighting up like a lighthouse beacon.

    https://www.armyrecognition.com/mspo_2021_news_official_show_daily/mspo_2021_modernized_t-72m1r_main_battle_tank_on_display.html

    The t-72M1R variant with this thermal:

    https://pcosa.com.pl/en/klw-1-asteria-thermal-camera/
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    Post  flamming_python Thu May 12, 2022 8:23 pm

    diabetus wrote:
    https://www.armyrecognition.com/mspo_2021_news_official_show_daily/mspo_2021_modernized_t-72m1r_main_battle_tank_on_display.html

    The t-72M1R variant with this thermal:

    https://pcosa.com.pl/en/klw-1-asteria-thermal-camera/

    Well if those are the T-72Ms Poland handed over. Even if they are, they wouldn't account for more than 10% of the total of 200 handed over.

    I suspect no-one wants to give the Ukraine anything they can use themselves or have recently invested money into. That's not what the Ukraine is there for. What it's there for is to inflict maximum possible casualties on the russkies with as much of their own biomass as possible and as much outdated or surplus gear of no use to NATO anymore as possible. With the occasional trialing of untested weapon systems such as the Starstreak just to see how they do.


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    Post  PhSt Thu May 12, 2022 8:24 pm

    NATzO Propagandists are pushing the narrative that Russian soldiers are giving away their positions by using cellphones for communication. What is your take on this?

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    Post  diabetus Thu May 12, 2022 8:28 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    diabetus wrote:
    https://www.armyrecognition.com/mspo_2021_news_official_show_daily/mspo_2021_modernized_t-72m1r_main_battle_tank_on_display.html

    The t-72M1R variant with this thermal:

    https://pcosa.com.pl/en/klw-1-asteria-thermal-camera/

    Well if those are the T-72Ms Poland handed over. Even if they are, they wouldn't account for more than 10% of the total of 200 handed over.

    I suspect no-one wants to give the Ukraine anything they can use themselves or have recently invested money into. That's not what the Ukraine is there for. What it's there for is to inflict maximum possible casualties on the russkies with as much of their own biomass as possible and as much outdated or surplus gear of no use to NATO anymore as possible. With the occasional trialing of untested weapon systems such as the Starstreak just to see how they do.

    They're giving them on the condition that the US replaces them for free.
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    Post  Hole Thu May 12, 2022 8:29 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:Interesting post of Starshy Eddie, who is in Izyum, at the moment, and talks with alot of military people. Talks about problem of deficits of some basic things due to peculiarities of arms orders. Interesting thing is that Sasha Kots and Evgeny Poddubny mentioned same.
    https://t.me/vysokygovorit/7879

    The problem of the shortage in the troops of the necessary and relatively cheap products in sufficient quantities - from air bomb modification kits to individual walkie-talkies and modern pistols - lies in the peculiarities of relations between industry and the state in the last 8 years.

    Defense spending, including the purchase of new weapons and military equipment, has been stagnant since about 2014.  Under these conditions, the gross volume of special profit cannot be raised, especially considering the domestic procedures for determining prices for products under the state defense order.

    In this regard, it became profitable for the industry to sell technically complex and expensive systems at the maximum margin per unit, rather than to produce hundreds of thousands of cheap products at a small margin.  This interest grew as large-scale production of anything required serious investments in production facilities, which was not always available even with government guarantees.

    Finally, it was much easier to draw the attention of both the press and purchasing services to expensive systems than to explain why this unprepossessing “young designer + young electrician” set of plastic, metal and wires is needed, the purchase of which in the necessary gigantic quantities requires the restructuring of factories  and contracts worth hundreds of billions of rubles.

    The result is obvious - we have mass-produced cruise missiles worth tens of millions of rubles and aircraft worth billions.  But most of the targets these aircraft will hit with free-falling air bombs, because their development into correctable bombs was postponed several times in favor of more complex and expensive systems.  Exactly the same situation is observed in the production of nondescript and inexpensive, but very important military items - from first aid kits and boots to walkie-talkies and microdrones.

    Seems these "experts" are mixing up LPR/DPR guys with russian soldiers. The first large purchases made were personal equipment of all sorts. No shortage there, including first aid kits and boots.

    Long-range precision weapons were produced en masse because they win wars, as this operation shows.

    Planes using only dumb bombs is total BS. If they do they use them with SVP-24 which gives results close to guided weapons. (Not long ago some of these "experts" were demanding the use of more dumb bombs because otherwise the war would be to expensive.) And russian bombs are mostly single structures with fins welded to the bomb body. You can´t just turn them into guided weapons, this would propably be more expensive then to produce a new guided bomb.

    Microdrones. Wow. First they were missing heavy drones, now microdrones. Is there an army that fielded microdrones in some quantity? Well, the most deadly combination of this operation has been the Orlan-10 + 2S19 and Krasnopol.

    Modern pistols? Really? You can use a f...ing pistol from WWII and kill an enemy. Next they will lament that the soldiers only have AK´s and not personell rail guns.

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    Post  Urluber Thu May 12, 2022 8:37 pm

    Hole wrote:Those western commentators are always suggesting that the russian people should be outraged about losses and bring down the government while their own governments started one war after the other with tens of thousand of dead western soldiers/mercenaries and the politicians that did this are heralded as great leaders/statesmen.

    Well, I suppose most know that if this operation is not conducted now on Kievan soil, the West will sooner or later try their luck again on Russian soil. And there would be much more victims. This operation is to prevent 1941 ever happening again. It must duty of every Russian leader.

    Meanwhile... Kievan regime is set for more and more firm liberation every day:

    Russia changes position on Ukraine’s EU membership bid

    Russia has changed stance on Ukraine’s prospects of the EU membership, Deputy Permanent Representative to the UN Dmitry Polyanskiy has said. The membership now cannot be a part of any peace deal, the diplomat told the Unherd News in an interview on Thursday.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/555392-ukraine-eu-position-nato/

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    Post  limb Thu May 12, 2022 8:39 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:I wonder why they never tried big attack in the south? West of Novoselka amd east of Gulyaipole. Terrain there heavily favours Russians, being mostly flat and barren. No major cities as well.

    I keep asking the same thing. Multipronged attacks are essential to encircle enemy forces and cut off supply lines, yet there has been 0 advance. This is why I view the Russians as incompetent. Not because of lack of advances in the Donbass, but lack of multipronged attacks in the south.

    Regarding the pontoon bridge vehicle massacre, it's still up in the air. Despite the nonsensical nature of those vehicles destruction, you can clearly see an O marking on one of the BMPs no matter(on top for aircraft to see it) how much pei here pretend it's not there. You can see a destroyed BMP-3. Now AFAIK the O grouping is the most competent, with more access to thermals and drones, and they specialize in special forces recon and anti saboteur opérations, not large scale armor attacks, so it doesn't make sense why they would get bogged down with cold war vehicles. Maybe the vehicles were from both sides.

    Also, it seems like Ukraine still has 3+ operational captured T-80BVMs as shown in their may 9 parade mocking Russia. This lends credence to large amounts of Russian vehicles being captured , especially up in the north where the Arctic brigade operating the T-80BVMs was
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    Post  diabetus Thu May 12, 2022 8:43 pm

    The river crossing doesn't seem to be fake.

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