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    Post  sepheronx Sat May 07, 2022 1:24 am

    franco wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    franco wrote:
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    franco wrote:Arkanghelsk wrote: The reason 70k troops is enough right now is that the artillery of 80 BTG is huge

    Artillery assets attached to BTG are 3 to 1 in terms of ratio to manpower


    NOTE: You keep talking about 70,000 men. Obviously you are taking 800 or 900 men per BTG and multiplying by 80 or 90 BTG's. In reality a BTG would range from 600 - 900 depending on type plus each BTG would require another 1,000 plus troops in support. So 90 BTG's would actually be closer to 180,000 plus.

    Seeing as how you are telling us about Ukrainian victories, I am assuming Russia doesn't have that many troops in or they wouldn't be losing positions in Kharkov.

    Your quote post is confusing, believe you are inquiring about this (Kharkov Counteroffensive by the Ukrainian Forces—Rybar SitRep, as of 19:00, May 6, 2022)

    The article seems pretty self explanatory however is missing these two points:

    1- action around Kharkov is a diversion like Kiev was.

    2- the main importance to the action around Kharkov is the protection of the railway line crossing from Belgorod into Vovchans'k, which is the Russian main supply line into Izham and northern Luhansk. The Ukrainians are defending Kharkov with 2 regular army brigades, 2 national guard brigades and 2 territorial defense brigades plus don't have a lot of offensive capabilities.  

    For those of us unaware of the structure of said brigades, how many men ukies have in Kharkov.

    Hard really to say depending on support units and attrition to the forces. It was claimed early in the fighting to be around 30,000.  

    Ever so more important to cauldron the area. Can't let them resupply.

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    Post  Stealthflanker Sat May 07, 2022 1:59 am

    Regular wrote:

    It seems you are right, it wasn't just a single UAV flying there.

    There is a video of TB-2 observing Tor launching missiles and it's filming from an impressive 108 km away. (Canadian Wescam MX-15D is really impressive, not a fan of the drone itself)

    https://twitter.com/kamerknc/status/1522675384529076227

    and looking at the LOS indicator of that 108 km and altitude. The UAV's GCS might be somewhere in Town of Izmail. There are other candidates too but Izmail is the nearest one to Snake Island and have airstrip nearby.
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    Post  caveat emptor Sat May 07, 2022 2:04 am

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote:
    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
    Regular wrote:
    Hole wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15 - Page 8 Photo_36
    Shitblade

    Still looks more sophisticated than Orlan series.

    Apples and pears, though. "Switchblade" and its cheapo Ukraine-exclusive variant "Phoenix Ghost" are small loitering munitions.

    Orlan-10 is a cheap company-level surveillance/spotting drone and more like the RQ-20 "Puma" which Ukraine demanded the U.S. donate recently. Not particularly sophisticated, doesn't need to be.

    Ukraine used to manufacture their own drones of that type ("Spectator" etc), so that they requested $20 mln worth of U.S. ditto suggests that their own manufacturing is dead now.
    This is a 300 version. The 600 model is much bigger.

    Yes, but the Switchblade (any version) to Orlan comparison made no sense at all, that was my point. Apples and pears, as I said.

    Compare the Orlan-10 to RQ-20 "Puma". Apples and apples.

    Compare Switchblade (300 or 600) to Kalashnikov KUB-BLA or Zala Lancet-3 rather.

    Pears and pears, I mean.
    True, i didn't mean to compare. Just made a distinction based on the size. Both models are suicide drones.
    I wonder why we don't see any use of Russian suicide drones.
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    Post  caveat emptor Sat May 07, 2022 2:11 am

    Isos wrote:Where is this location ? High means no AD systems which is a bad news for ukrainians. Su-24 will be free to use SVP24 and dumb bombs all day long.

    Stary saltov is in the north of Kharkov oblast. Close to the border with Russia.


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    Post  Stealthflanker Sat May 07, 2022 2:11 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    True, i didn't mean to compare. Just made a distinction based on the size. Both models are suicide drones.
    I wonder why we don't see any use of Russian suicide drones.

    Well there is Zala suicide drones being used. The Zala KYB.
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    Post  limb Sat May 07, 2022 2:29 am

    What's the chance that Russians will destroy Polish, British, or American troops if they enter western Ukraine?

    Also why are Russians not destroying any Ukrainian units on the offensive in Kharkov? Why can't they be obliterated by aircraft, helicopters and artillery? Why do the Russians even care about being surrounded if the Ukrainians are poorly equipped and can't maneuver?


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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat May 07, 2022 2:35 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:https://t.me/swodki/88953

    Carpet bombing azovstal

    Ouch... Laughing

    Big bombs being used. Tu-22M3 carrying out these sorties I would presume?

    Looks like the Russians no longer have much concern about the post-liberation value of the Azovstahl plant Razz

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat May 07, 2022 3:08 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:So apparently there is a leak on Moskva's Technical readiness report. It was dated in Feb 10th 2022. So it's very recent.

    She's basically not only skipping her modernization cycles but also not even in fighting condition.  The S-300FM illuminator have problems, AK-630 have problems, OSA have problems and apparently her MR-800 Air Search Radar interfered Satcom antenna.  and she sent into combat in such condition. so sad.

    That's very unfortunate.

    Ready or not, war came along and the Moskva was required to do her duty. Was she in a fit condition to fight? Probably not, and there was plenty of news to show that she was in poor condition and had been passed over for modernisation, but none of that matters. She was the BSF flagship and needed to step up to the plate.

    FFS she was a warship, built to fight Russias enemies, and die if needed to defend the state and her people. She will be remembered with great honour.

    Now get on with the job of taking down the fascist Kiev regime and breaking the jaw of these fcking evil globalist maggots who wish to use Ukropistan as their war-dog. Twisted Evil

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    Post  limb Sat May 07, 2022 4:22 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Stealthflanker wrote:So apparently there is a leak on Moskva's Technical readiness report. It was dated in Feb 10th 2022. So it's very recent.

    She's basically not only skipping her modernization cycles but also not even in fighting condition.  The S-300FM illuminator have problems, AK-630 have problems, OSA have problems and apparently her MR-800 Air Search Radar interfered Satcom antenna.  and she sent into combat in such condition. so sad.

    That's very unfortunate.

    Ready or not, war came along and the Moskva was required to do her duty.  Was she in a fit condition to fight? Probably not, and there was plenty of news to show that she was in poor condition and had been passed over for modernisation, but none of that matters. She was the BSF flagship and needed to step up to the plate.

    FFS she was a warship, built to fight Russias enemies, and die if needed to defend the state and her people.  She will be remembered with great honour.

    Now get on with the job of taking down the fascist Kiev regime and breaking the jaw of these fcking evil globalist maggots who wish to use Ukropistan as their war-dog.  Twisted Evil


    What honour does the moskva deserve? It didnt do anything other than look tough. No aircraft shot down. No land strikes. no heroic successful damage control. All it was was a buggy barely functioning picket ship whose role couldve been replaced by actual AWACS and OTH radar. Its not heroic to send a non-combat ready warship to combat. Its treasonous.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat May 07, 2022 5:21 am

    limb wrote:What honour does the moskva deserve?


    If I have to explain it to you, then you truly are a lowlife POS. Suspect

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat May 07, 2022 5:55 am

    lancelot wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:Moskva is coral reef now, they might as well publish full specs, doesn't matter anymore
    It matters because information on vulnerabilities of the Moskva might also apply to the Varyag in the Pacific Fleet. Or the Marshal Ustinov in the Northern Fleet even....

    If it's true that she was converted to navigational hazzard by bunch of apes with couple of Kh-35 knockoffs and a Turkish RC plane then only smart thing to do with other two is to quickly and quietly retire, scrap them and try to forget that the entire class ever existed

    Only hope for avoiding eternal humiliation is that it turns out that she was lost to a sea mine

    Slimmest of chances for that but who knows...



    Big_Gazza wrote:FFS she was a warship, built to fight Russias enemies, and die if needed to defend the state and her people....

    Only thing she accomplished of all those things you listed was dying (in the most hilarious fashion)

    Hopefully wreck will get blown out of existence with depth charges as soon as circumstances allow it



    Big_Gazza wrote:...She will be remembered with great honour...

    Dude, I honestly can't tell if you are actually serious or if you are just rubbing it in even harder

    She will be remembered as a humiliation on par with Second Pacific Squadron and a memetic sequel to infamous battleship Kamchatka

    Battle of Tsushima was a century long global naval joke, sinking of Moskva will be the same for the century that will follow





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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat May 07, 2022 6:58 am

    Imagine sending a not even functional warship into combat.....Genius's of the black sea fleet

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    Post  ult Sat May 07, 2022 7:06 am

    Another TB2. Not much left.

    https://t.me/izvestia/88567

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    Post  Erk Sat May 07, 2022 7:12 am

    So where are these TB2 being controlled and launched from?
    Is Turkey involved in the war?
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    Post  limb Sat May 07, 2022 7:20 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    limb wrote:What honour does the moskva deserve?


    If I have to explain it to you, then you truly are a lowlife POS.  Suspect

    No one takes your copium seriously.

    The only redeeming factor, if the Moskva was sunk by an AShM, would be the fact that the slavas' aren't inherently technologically inferior, but that the Russian fleet command is borderline traitorous.

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    Post  ult Sat May 07, 2022 7:28 am

    Erk wrote:So where are these TB2 being controlled and launched from?
    Is Turkey involved in the war?

    They are being launched from some abandoned airfields, which Soviet Union left plenty of after itself. And Turkey is involved by constantly sending them over, probably even from its own stock at this point. One of the downed TB2 had components produced in March 2022.

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    Post  franco Sat May 07, 2022 8:01 am

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    BREAKING: Just half an hour ago, the Ukrainian forces' command had left the territory of Donbass and departed for Dnepropetrovsk. Their immediate subordinates were advised that they left for an urgent consultation. The subordinates are justifiably concerned and are considering their options.

    The source (a reputable purveyor of hacked data from the Ukrainian side) believes that this may have something to do with a planed Ukrainian provocation involving the death of Ukrainian servicemen.

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    Having thoughts here to a possible false flag opportunity being set up. Will bear watching.
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    Post  franco Sat May 07, 2022 8:17 am

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    Austrian Colonel Markus Reisner: ''The West has made a serious miscalculation in Ukraine''

    Austrian colonel and military expert Markus Reisner declared that Western countries are seriously mistaken in relying on large arms supplies for the Ukrainian army. According to Markus Reisner, ''the Russian army continues to make solid progress in its offensive against Ukrainian positions in the Donbass, and it will be victorious in the region. This is evidenced by the fact that most of the territories of the DPR and LPR, including large cities, are already under the control of the Russian army. Russia also controls important facilities in southern Ukraine, on the shores of the Sea of Azov.''

    Austrian colonel also added that ''in the West they try not to talk about the obvious advance of the Russian armed forces and the Western media make a lot of efforts to hide the obvious successes of the Russians, which is a serious mistake''. Markus Reisner stressed that ''He is following the situation in Ukraine from various sources, and concluded that the West is deeply mistaken in relying on large military aid supplies for the Armed Forces of Ukraine''. According to the colonel, ''it takes a lot of time to send weapons, and these weapons are spent literally in one day. And more often than not, these Western weapons do not even have time to fall into the hands of the Ukrainian military on the front line''. ''According to the US defense department, the weapons that the West sends to Ukraine during the week - runs out within a day. This means that Western weapons are immediately used by the Ukrainians and most of these weapons are captured or destroyed by the Russians. The Russian army seizes a lot of weapons'', - said Markus Reisner.

    The Austrian colonel also drew attention to the high professionalism of the Russian special forces, which opposes the Ukrainian troops. According to Markus Reisner, ''Russian special forces successfully track down groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and neutralize them. This means that the supply lines for the offensive of the Russian Armed Forces in the Donbass are not damaged''. He also noted the well-coordinated work of the infantry and artillery of the Russian armed forces. ''The Russian offensive in the Donbass is currently slow but steady and thorough, with significant artillery and infantry support. This is not a sign of weakness. Rather, it shows that the battalion tactical groups interact more closely with each other and are controlled centrally'', - said Austrian colonel and military expert Markus Reisner.

    https://twitter.com/TaranQ/status/1522685576792657925?cxt=HHwWisCy1d2d1aEqAAAA

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    Post  franco Sat May 07, 2022 8:22 am

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    Rybar Report, as of 14:00, May 6, 2022

    (https://t.me/rybar/32257)

    1—With respect to the claims of a strike on Admiral Makarov near the Zmeiny island: The ship is just fine. There may indeed have been a launch of the Neptune anti-ship missile by the Ukrainian defences. However, there has been no sinking of the ship, and the ship remains afloat.

    2—Back on April 22, 2022, Rybar reported (https://t.me/rybar/31590) that the frigate Admiral Makarov has been designated by the Ukrainian forces as a primary target. Today, the Ukrainian side began to disseminate yet another virtual victory that has no real backing.

    3—It would be foolish to deny that there is a problem at Zmeiny island. However, despite the fact that the island and the Russian positions regularly end up being targeted by Ukrainian Bayraktar TB2 UAV/drones, the media effect of these attacks is far greater than their real impact. To this day, the only attack of any note is the strike on the Russian Raptor patrol boat (https://t.me/rybar/32048) in the vicinity of the island.

    4—The attacks on the Zmeiny island are dictated by the desire of the Turkish side to showcase effective deployment of Bayraktar TB2 UAV/drones in the theatre of the conflict, so as to facilitate further sale on the world market.

    5—Since the beginning of the day, yet another Bayraktar TB2 was shot down near the Zmeiny island. It is following this incident that the Ukrainian sources made a claim about the strike on the Admiral Makarov frigate—so as to mitigate the reputation losses at least somehow.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat May 07, 2022 8:27 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Ouch...  Laughing

    Big bombs being used.  Tu-22M3 carrying out these sorties I would presume?

    Looks like the Russians no longer have much concern about the post-liberation value of the Azovstahl plant Razz


    They never did. Pushilin said that openly a few weeks ago.
    Azovstal represents no value, only spoiled the air and made the Mariopol and Bardiansk incapable of being resorts. It will be erased in full.

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    Post  franco Sat May 07, 2022 8:31 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    franco wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    franco wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    franco wrote:Arkanghelsk wrote: The reason 70k troops is enough right now is that the artillery of 80 BTG is huge

    Artillery assets attached to BTG are 3 to 1 in terms of ratio to manpower


    NOTE: You keep talking about 70,000 men. Obviously you are taking 800 or 900 men per BTG and multiplying by 80 or 90 BTG's. In reality a BTG would range from 600 - 900 depending on type plus each BTG would require another 1,000 plus troops in support. So 90 BTG's would actually be closer to 180,000 plus.

    Seeing as how you are telling us about Ukrainian victories, I am assuming Russia doesn't have that many troops in or they wouldn't be losing positions in Kharkov.

    Your quote post is confusing, believe you are inquiring about this (Kharkov Counteroffensive by the Ukrainian Forces—Rybar SitRep, as of 19:00, May 6, 2022)

    The article seems pretty self explanatory however is missing these two points:

    1- action around Kharkov is a diversion like Kiev was.

    2- the main importance to the action around Kharkov is the protection of the railway line crossing from Belgorod into Vovchans'k, which is the Russian main supply line into Izham and northern Luhansk. The Ukrainians are defending Kharkov with 2 regular army brigades, 2 national guard brigades and 2 territorial defense brigades plus don't have a lot of offensive capabilities.  


    For those of us unaware of the structure of said brigades, how many men ukies have in Kharkov.

    Hard really to say depending on support units and attrition to the forces. It was claimed early in the fighting to be around 30,000.  

    Ever so more important to cauldron the area. Can't let them resupply.

    Have also read from other sources that the original Russian pull back was to get out of the range of the Ukrainian artillery which was firing from in the city behind civilian structures.

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    Post  Ispan Sat May 07, 2022 9:35 am

    franco wrote:Donbass Offensive of the Russian Forces—Rybar SitRep, as of 14:00, May 6, 2022

    https://t.me/s/Slavyangrad

    Thanks a lot for posting that news source, I know Slayangrad, but don't follow Twitter, it's good Bazov moved to Telegram

    I copied your report and expanded it and posted the maps, last night entry covered both 5 and 6 May

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/05/06/parte-de-guerra-06-05-2022/

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    Post  Mir Sat May 07, 2022 9:45 am

    franco wrote:
    6—The Russia-allied forces have completed the mop-up of the residential areas of Rubezhnoye. The remaining units of the Ukrainian forces have entrenched themselves at the Zarya gunpowder factory.

    Pretty savvy move that! What a Face

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    Post  MMBR Sat May 07, 2022 9:51 am

    Austrian colonel's assessment of russian army performance in 2022
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    Post  Hinex1988 Sat May 07, 2022 9:54 am

    🇷🇺🇺🇦Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

    💥High-precision air-based missiles of the Russian Air Force have hit 5 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, as well as 1 ammunition depot near Bakhmut, Donetsk People's Republic.

    ✈💥Operational-tactical and army aviation have hit 18 military assets of Ukraine.

    ▫Among them: 2 command posts near Skovorodnikovo in Kharkov Region, 5 areas of concentration of personnel and military equipment, 3 ammunition and fuel depots near Dachnoe in Odessa Region.  

    ▫A large concentration of military equipment from the USA and European countries has been destroyed near the Bogodukhov railway station in Kharkov Region.

    ▫The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 280 nationalists and up to 48 armoured and motor vehicles.

    💥Missile troops and artillery have hit 44 command posts and 196 strongholds of Ukrainian troops, areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration during the night.

    💥Russian air defence means overnight have shot down 13 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Berezovka in Nikolaev Region, Signalnoe, Luganskoe, Krasnogorovka, Yasinovatoe and Zugres in Donetsk People's Republic, Olgino in Kherson Region, Cherneshchina in Kharkov Region.

    ▫3 Ukrainian Tochka-U ballistic missiles and 9 Smerch multiple-launch rockets nave been also intercepted over Izyum city, Kharkov Region.

    📊In total, 152 aircraft and 112 helicopters, 762 unmanned aerial vehicles, 295 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,895 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 333 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,364 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,716 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

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