Well there is small thing of huge military and financial support Ukraine has from EU, US and NATO, we are talking about tens of billions dollars...plus they do have big industrial base on their own right on top of it.
Without air control financial support means nothing... the west paying Ukraines bills wont stop the Russian artillery wiping out lines and lines of Orc conscripts.
Without air control shipments of weapons... even hidden within shipments of food can be taken out easily enough.
Those things cannot make the Ukraine win... they will extend the period they will continue to lose their young men and their not so young men... and likely soon their women...
They have already lost the war. Its just a short matter of time for the bulk of the military to be completely surrounded and destroyed north of Donetsk.
Western support is just killing more Ukrainians.
Perhaps that is exactly what Ukrainians are counting on, after all those two brotherly nations know each other quite well.
A brother that wants you and the rest of the family dead so he can inherit the family home, is not someone you can save or need to spare... expecially if he is getting his kids... your nieces and nephews killed trying to kill everyone in the rest of the family.
Do you even realize that not even a fraction (if any) will end up as actual "military support" for the Ukrs?!
Swiss accounts and the weapons in the Middle East.
Will be interesting to see the first western airliner brought down by a stinger... Russia of course will immediately get the blame... there was a time when ATGMs and MANPADS were very strictly controled to prevent them getting into the wrong hands as they were so dangerous... what has changed I wonder?
The precision of the iskander is questionnable... iranian missiles are way more precise frankly.
Wow you are amazing... how do you know what the aim point of that missile from video supplied by the drone sent to record the attack?
Lol. They missed hahaha. US mighty tech.
I remember a CNN report in the 1980s showing Muj launching what the CNN reporter called artillery at the Russians (actually Afghan forces with a T-62 protecting a small base) He missed by about 30m to one side. It then switched to the Muj having another go and the Artilery turns out to be Milan ATGM launcher and he misses again... even the best technology can be rendered useless when used by someone who does not know what they are doing.
Still looks more sophisticated than Orlan series.
Didn't really help it much, but it sure made a bigger profit for that American company that made it.
I wonder why we are not getting any FOV videos from Ukraine, they love "leaking" videos for their propaganda.
Takes time to fake the video and make it look like a kill...
I personally think the cheaper(shittier) the drone in a functional form - the better. They are expendable and should be used as such. Forcing Ukrainians to use Martel/Stinger/Strela/Igla to shoot down a drone is a win. I personally think that Switchblades are over sophisticated for a grenade role.
Which makes the American drone rubbish because it appears more complex and will almost certainly be more expensive, and it appears ineffective too.
Most Slavs that I've come across in the West are from Russia, Poland and Ukraine and the vast majority of them including Ukrainians were highly intellectual.
How is it that western countries got such intelligent Ukrainian people to fight a useless war against Russia that Ukraine never had any chance of winning will remain a mystery to me.
You answered your own question.... the intelligent are exported and the ignorant easy to manipulate remain at home to be moulded into Russia hating nazis... In many ways what the west did in the Ukraine and Georgia and Finland and Sweden and other countries it wants to lure into its US MIC customer trap, was what hitler did to the German people... except instead of blaming Jews for everything wrong with Germany and Europe they blamed Putin and Russia... and they seem to have lapped it all up.
At the very least Ukrainian should have asked if Russia is indeed a danger to the West (as stated by western governments) why didn't the west get involved in this conflict directly instead of forcing Ukrainians to become cannon fodder.
Lack of independent thinking... makes them easy to train and use... tested and approved in the west...
In the future, two TorM2 System now always means on one point to make it really expensive.
They should have a minimum of four vehicles per battery policy and also have other anti UAV weapons that can support, like vehicles with airburst 30mm cannon shells with the new remote detonation system...
Unfortunately tho he didnt link the VK page where the report were supposedly posted
Perhaps because he doctored it and wanted to hide that fact?
Yes, caution always applies.
But it is obvious that Russia routinely overestimates the usefulness of "forces in being" as a deterrance. UA doesn't give a damn, and on occasion this gung ho zeal of theirs calls the bluff.
And this would fit into that pattern.
You say that without even knowing what happened.... we don't even know if the ship was alone or not.
The story on moskva makes sense and I have seen these commanders order units without functioning equipment
Doesn't matter if it makes sense... only an idiot would try to use a lie that is obviously not sensible.
That does not make it true.
Wrong. The regime in Washington is not paying for it, it is giving loans. That´s why they so eager that "Ukraine" keeps existing after the war, the poor fellows will have to pay everything back, with interest, of course.
They should declare themselves bankrupt and absolve themselves from all debt.
Kinda reminds me with story of loss of our submarine Nanggala. The ship was in poor condition apparently, underwater communication system not functioning and basic safety apparently violated (e.g not bringing Oxygen candle) and the ship apparently have electrical problem which remain unsolved. Our admirals blamed "natural factor" for the loss. Disgusting.
It happens though... like a Polish plane with officials on board forced to land against the orders of ground control because of weather conditions and everyone dies....
Russia has nobody but itself to blame for Moskva
All this talk about USA or UAVs or E3s or whatever is just ''dog ate my homework'' level excuse
Are you going to wait for that noose to finally strangle the accused before you hear the full story...
5—Ukrainian forces are conducting a zachistka (mop-up operations against civilians). Ukrainian units are breaking into basements, checking the cellphones of local residents, and are searching for agents and informers of the Russian forces.
So Ukrainian military continue to kill Ukrainian civilians... nothing new there.
Perhaps it's a bad idea to mass several dozens or hundred of tanks like at Kursk and try to breakthrough with them. It only gives more targets to the antitank missiles, and Griffith reminded me that the concept failed in the Yom Kippur war in 1973. Book was written in 1981, so the lesson was very fresh.
Well the problem is also an advantage... having large numbers of heavy calibre guns pointed at the enemy presents serious fire power... if you could link all those vehicles together and combine the visibility of the enemy from each tank together you could get a very detailed view of the enemy firing positions... if you could then select targets to be engaged and allocate guns from all the tanks in the formation and use them to fire on targets as they appear, so with 100 tanks you have 100 full calibre tank guns and with auto loaders lets say you have one shot every 6 seconds per gun, that would mean with coordination you would have 100 x 8-10 shots per minute... that is 800 to 1000 potential targets you could fire on... full calibre tank rounds... that is very serious fire power... drones could be used to further improve visibility of the enemy position from different angles... it would be interesting... with modern thermal sights it should be easier to spot enemy troops out to 3-4km which makes many ATGM a bit vulnerable... especially with their slower missiles.
Automated EO systems that detect muzzle flashes and missiles in flight and rockets would be very valuable too.
I don't understand anything, unless our guys have to kill hundreds of zombies (I propose to call ukrops that) for every advance they make, or as I fear, the number of troops is too small for the tasks set.
You are missing the point... the job is to kill nazis and orcs or make them surrender.... you don't need to wander all over the battlefield to do that... in fact most of the time stopping and staying still or a shallow withdrawal to then hit the advacing Orc forces with air power and artillery is actually the safest and most efficient way to grind up a large force.
Shooting lots of Ukrainians with rifle and machine gun fire is going to damage a lot of these Russian soldiers even knowing a lot are nazis that is not the case for all of them... it is better to do so with artillery and air power, and just hope they realise how hopeless it all is and surrender.
Seeing as how you are telling us about Ukrainian victories, I am assuming Russia doesn't have that many troops in or they wouldn't be losing positions in Kharkov.
When a force withdraws and the enemy moves forward to occupy the ground they held is that really a victory?
I wonder why we don't see any use of Russian suicide drones.
Anti armour missiles probably do a better job most of the time.
What's the chance that Russians will destroy Polish, British, or American troops if they enter western Ukraine?
What is the chance they will know what their nationality is when they strike?
Big group of soldiers and weapons and armoured vehicles cannot be ignored and entering a war zone would have to be assumed to be more military support for Kiev and therefore a legitimate target...
Also why are Russians not destroying any Ukrainian units on the offensive in Kharkov? Why can't they be obliterated by aircraft, helicopters and artillery? Why do the Russians even care about being surrounded if the Ukrainians are poorly equipped and can't maneuver?
Over extended support lines are at risk... and if there is no value in creating that risk removing it by withdrawing makes sense.
Looks like the Russians no longer have much concern about the post-liberation value of the Azovstahl plant
Part of the demilitarisation of the region I suspect... I think the west was banking on them not wanting to destroy it for commercial reasons but Russia makes its own steel.
What honour does the moskva deserve?
It was performing a mission in a conflict despite not being 100% battle ready.... what honour do Serb Pilots climbing into MiG-29s whose radars were not working because they were not properly maintained to fight HATO, who outnumbered them by a wide margin and enjoyed superior situational awareness?
Its not heroic to send a non-combat ready warship to combat. Its treasonous.
It was performing its duty... we still don't know what happened exactly and it seems the information posted by a Kiev mouthpiece could easily be doctored... lack of an original official source makes me doubt its content.
If it's true that she was converted to navigational hazzard by bunch of apes with couple of Kh-35 knockoffs and a Turkish RC plane then only smart thing to do with other two is to quickly and quietly retire, scrap them and try to forget that the entire class ever existed
Only hope for avoiding eternal humiliation is that it turns out that she was lost to a sea mine
Slimmest of chances for that but who knows...
I think it is an excellent lesson about trying to save money and end up costing more than you save... they could have spent money replacing OSA and the AK-630s with modern CIWS that would have protected the ship easily from any western missile attack and instead they saved a small amount of money and lost the whole ship.
A bit like saving a little bit of money making small aircraft carriers and then spending a lot more money developing VSTOL fighters to operate from these small carriers only to find a bigger carrier with more conventional fighters would not have been that much more expensive and would have been vastly more effective.
Dude, I honestly can't tell if you are actually serious or if you are just rubbing it in even harder
She will be remembered as a humiliation on par with Second Pacific Squadron and a memetic sequel to infamous battleship Kamchatka
Battle of Tsushima was a century long global naval joke, sinking of Moskva will be the same for the century that will follow
Yeah, because no ship has ever sunk before... they are not called Anti Ship missiles for no reason... even assuming any were involved in the first place.
Imagine sending a not even functional warship into combat.....Genius's of the black sea fleet
Imagine sending up fighter planes with non functioning radar... against a super power and its lynch mob lackeys.
Another TB2. Not much left.
The amusing thing is that TB2 would be vastly more effective against a western power because of their much weaker air defence capacity... what fighter would they have to fly around 24/7 looking for drones... how long could they keep that up?
The only redeeming factor, if the Moskva was sunk by an AShM, would be the fact that the slavas' aren't inherently technologically inferior, but that the Russian fleet command is borderline traitorous.
Biggest word in the english language... if.
Having thoughts here to a possible false flag opportunity being set up. Will bear watching.
Or the leadership is taking the opportunity to do a runner when the running is good and hope that the rest stay and die as a message to the enemy... the best thing the remaining fighters can do is surrender and lay down their arms and spill their guts to the enemy about what Kiev is up to.
Have also read from other sources that the original Russian pull back was to get out of the range of the Ukrainian artillery which was firing from in the city behind civilian structures.
Very sensible if true.
Austrian colonel's assessment of russian army performance in 2022
Already posted above in post 193.
This seems to be another sales pitch to sell Western weapons to Middle Eastern and Asian countries. S-300FM, AK-630 and OSA we are told had issues. However, even the Russian Navy has not carried out a through investigation of the systems on board and yet some questionable Twitter handle manages to extract all the details.
The west is not interested in the truth, they are wanting to win the propaganda war so the most embarrassing story that might be plausible is what they will push... if it is easily discredited they move on and make some other shit up... plenty of western sheep hear the claim and don't hear the rebuttal so believe it to be true anyway.
This is all about the US MIC selling more shit.
What weapon system will the U.S offer in place of S-300FM? SM-6? Assuming they do, how will the customer figure out that SM-6 too doesn't have the same issues that apparently plagued the S-300FM?
No model of SM would be of any use against low flying anti ship missiles, but that is what they will try to sell anyway. SeaRam is a frankensteins monster of various parts from Stinger and Sidewinder and Hellfire all mashed together to make a CIWS missile for close in self defence...
Not good.
Isn't that the same source that claimed that a Russian ship had been hit with an anti ship missile?
Homoerotic performance by Elensky
Clearly a cross dresser... no normal guy could do that in those heels... many women break ankles in those but dances like a pro... and I mean prostitute and not a professional when I say pro.
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