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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #14

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    Post  PhSt Tue May 03, 2022 3:43 am

    BWAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Seriously, these NATzO suckup Bozos are so warped up in their own delusions.  Laughing
    I don't like this clown's extreme arrogance and despicable behavior though, I wish I have a chance to stab his face with a scalpel  attack  

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    Post  limb Tue May 03, 2022 3:48 am

    Erk wrote:
    limb wrote:Why didn't the Russian generals order the destruction of  all large rail bridges on the dnepr? Apparently there are many functioning ones and the Ukrainians are still bringing reinforcements from the west through them. What would happen if Russia tried to destroy the rail tunnels in Transcarpathia ?

    Also what's the reason that the Russian air force is only launching 200  sorties per day?

    How do Ukrainian saboteurs pass through the Russian border too?


    Look at this pristine Ukrainian tunnel that is the transit point for western weapons for 3 months now. The Russian generals are very merciful and don't seem to care.

    https://t.me/epoddubny/10286?single
    You better get on to the Russian military right away and tell them what to do, they obviously haven't read the NYT about only 200 sorties per day, and don't know about the bridge and tunnel.


    Im sure they know, but they don't want to incopnvenience the "slavic brothers" too much from recieving aid from the western partners. That, or they don't care. I don't need to tell them anything. Millions of patriotic russians are telling the russian generals to **** themselves.

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue May 03, 2022 5:01 am

    kvs wrote:...The Nikolaev-Odessa operation will not be a cakewalk.

    With enough bombs and missiles everything can be a cakewalk

    But you have to use them

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    Post  ALAMO Tue May 03, 2022 8:12 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    How many more bridges are there?

    Does not matter.
    In reality, destroying bridge infrastructure creates more problems for civilians rather than army units.
    Especially the Russian one, which is heavily equipped with its own bridges and troops skilled in that. There are no maneuvers in Russia without a mass river crossing, besides most of the vehicles can either swim or cross the river at the bottom.
    Blowing up bridges brings some inconvenience, not a real challenge ...

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    Post  billybatts91 Tue May 03, 2022 8:17 am

    God, I hope this is true. This would unleash the full power of Russia on Ukraine and end this war quicker while inflicting a humiliating defeat on NATO/West.

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #14 - Page 31 I_hope10

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    Post  Hinex1988 Tue May 03, 2022 10:14 am

    🇷🇺🇺🇦Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

    💥High-precision Onyx missiles near Odessa have hit a logistics centre at a military airfield through which foreign weapons were being delivered.

    ▫Hangars containing Bayraktar TB2 unmanned aerial vehicles, as well as missile weapons and ammunition from the US and European countries, were destroyed.

    💥High-precision air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces have hit 6 Ukrainian military assets.

    ▫Among them: 1 command post, 1 ammunition depot near Slatino, and 4 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration.

    ✈💥Operational-tactical and army aviation of the Russian Aerospace Force have hit 69 strong points and areas of concentration of AFU manpower and military equipment.

    💥Missile troops have hit the command posts of the 81st Airmobile Brigade near Dolina and the 77th Territorial Defence Brigade near Podolovka, Kharkov Region.

    ▫1 S-300 anti-aircraft missile launcher was also destroyed near Kulbakino, Nikolaev Region.

    💥Artillery units have struck 54 AFU artillery firing positions, 38 strong points, as well as 195 areas of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment concentration.

    ▫Up to 230 nationalists, as well as 52 units of weapons and military equipment have been destroyed.

    💥Russian air defence means overnight have shot down 6 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Berezovka, Odessa Region, Borshchevaya and Chernyshchina, Kharkov Region, Barvinok, Kherson Region and Mikhailovka, Donetsk People's Republic.

    ▫Also shot down in the air: 1 Ukrainian Tochka-U ballistic missile near Dmitrovka and 2 Smerch multiple-launch rockets near Izyum.

    📊In total, 146 aircraft and 112 helicopters, 696 unmanned aerial vehicles, 286 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,783 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 316 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,255 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,590 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

    #MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
    @mod_russia_en

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    Post  Stealthflanker Tue May 03, 2022 10:38 am

    So i heard there is "Filtration camp" In Mariupol where people are being "processed" prior to sending to Russia. It's a pure logical insanity yet people posted such as "news" and there are those who believe it.

    How exactly such can help Russia ? Also i heard some crazy rumor too about Russia "switching" school children in Mariupol with Russian childrens. which WTF. and other thing like Russia stealing grains from Kherson region... Like Russia itself is not a grain producer.

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    Post  sepheronx Tue May 03, 2022 10:40 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:So i heard there is "Filtration camp" In Mariupol where people are being "processed" prior to sending to Russia.  It's a pure logical insanity yet people posted such as "news" and there are those who believe it.  

    How exactly such can help Russia ? Also i heard some crazy rumor too about Russia "switching" school children in Mariupol with Russian childrens. which WTF. and other thing like Russia stealing grains from Kherson region... Like Russia itself is not a grain producer.  


    You read too much nonsense.

    If it is too far out to start sounding like BS, it most likely is.

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    Post  Stealthflanker Tue May 03, 2022 10:43 am

    sepheronx wrote:

    You read too much nonsense.

    If it is too far out to start sounding like BS, it most likely is.

    and to see such BS spreads out so easily are making me sad.

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    Post  Ispan Tue May 03, 2022 10:58 am

    I cobbled together a summary of what happened on 2 May plus briefings of the results of 1st May plus some other news and info

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/05/03/noticias-de-la-guerra-03-05-2022/

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    Post  Arrow Tue May 03, 2022 11:11 am

    Su 24M drops bombs record from Ka 52

    https://vk.com/video-123538639_456281910

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    Post  ALAMO Tue May 03, 2022 11:44 am

    sepheronx wrote:
    Stealthflanker wrote:So i heard there is "Filtration camp" In Mariupol where people are being "processed" prior to sending to Russia.  It's a pure logical insanity yet people posted such as "news" and there are those who believe it.  

    How exactly such can help Russia ? Also i heard some crazy rumor too about Russia "switching" school children in Mariupol with Russian childrens. which WTF. and other thing like Russia stealing grains from Kherson region... Like Russia itself is not a grain producer.  


    You read too much nonsense.

    If it is too far out to start sounding like BS, it most likely is.

    And why do you consider that nonsense?
    But of course, there is an intense examination of the people who fled the city.
    You can park a legion of nazis among them.
    Tons of materials about how they make first glance examinations at the checkpoints, looking for nazi associated tattoos.
    All the soldiers saying, that there is another security echelon behind.
    To name it a quarantine, a filtration camp, a refugee processing camp ... it is only semantic.
    Russkies would be crazy not doing so.
    A big bunch of nazis were already detained among the refugees. That is obviously how it should work.
    "Filtration camps" were already used as a propaganda tool during Chechen wars, suggesting that those are a part of some atrocities.
    As it was not a holiday resort in Chechenya of course, it does not reassemble the situation now. They just keep people in processing facilities, until they are properly questioned, checked, and eventually sent further. Some of them have families in Russia and are determined to get to a dedicated locations, so it is a process of making reasonable transportation etc.

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    Post  billybatts91 Tue May 03, 2022 11:48 am

    Ispan wrote:I cobbled together a summary of what happened on 2 May plus briefings of the results of 1st May plus some other news and info

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/05/03/noticias-de-la-guerra-03-05-2022/

    No English translation?
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    Post  Stealthflanker Tue May 03, 2022 11:49 am

    ALAMO wrote:
    "Filtration camps" were already used as a propaganda tool during Chechen wars, suggesting that those are a part of some atrocities.
    As it was not a holiday resort in Chechenya of course, it does not reassemble the situation now. They just keep people in processing facilities, until they are properly questioned, checked, and eventually sent further. Some of them have families in Russia and are determined to get to a dedicated locations, so it is a process of making reasonable transportation etc.

    My problem with that is the atrocities part which outrageously stupid yet propagated massively. Believe it or not from what i see on how those are publicized it's almost as if Russia intend to replace the whole population with Russians.
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    Post  Broski Tue May 03, 2022 12:02 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:My problem with that is the atrocities part which outrageously stupid yet propagated massively.  Believe it or not from what i see on how those are publicized it's almost as if Russia intend to replace the whole population with Russians.  
    So do you believe Russia is replacing the Ukrainian population with Russians? If not, then why the hell are you posting this drivel here? There's a reason why I don't watch CNN or the BBC, nor report what they say here.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue May 03, 2022 12:07 pm

    Ispan wrote:I cobbled together a summary of what happened on 2 May plus briefings of the results of 1st May plus some other news and info

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/05/03/noticias-de-la-guerra-03-05-2022/

    Many maps missing in this translation

    YESTERDAY 02 May

    Summary of Readovka:

    In the north of the eastern front - the transfer of the most combat-ready units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to Kharkov continues to conduct diversion attacks. Near Kharkov there are fights on Russkaya Lozovaya and Kutuzovka. The retreat of enemy forces to Russkaya Lozovaya and Tsirkuny exposed the front in Kazachya Lopan - Russian troopsmanaged to retake two villages of Turovo and Makarovo south of the settlement.

    The situation near Liman is also difficult for Ukrainian units. Near Oskol, in the reservoir area, a group of 1,000 servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is being shelled for several days. The Allied forces dug in at Aleksandrovka and Stavki. The capture of Yampol made it possible to outflank Liman from the southeastern outskirts and occupy the Slavyansk – Liman – Seversk road triangle. The small villages of Dibrova and Ozernoe are located in the gray zone (disputed). It is also reported that heavy self-propelled guns were transported to the Lozovaya railway station.

    There are battles near Svyatogorsk, but no one has entered the city yet. After the capture of Alexandrovka, the fighting moved to the forest belt around Borogodichnaya – Pine – Yarovaya. The fiercest of all the skirmishes near Bogorodichny.

    The situation along the Popasnaya-Bakhmut front remains stable and tense. The General Staff of Ukraine constantly sends its reserves to the aid of front-line units suffering losses. The losses of the Forces of Ukraine per day reach 50-70 soldiers killed and wounded. On n. p. Zolote and Orekhovo there are stubborn street battles.

    In the Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporozhye regions, the situation has not really changed in the last day. In the area of N. p. Pokrovskoe, a warehouse of rocket and artillery weapons and ammunition was destroyed.

    In the Azovstal area, the evacuation continued, until the Azov soldiers broke the truce by starting shelling, ours responded, now cannonade is heard there. After the response of our artillery, a strong fire was observed.

    Today there were several important events in the Odessa direction. The Russian Aerospace Forces destroyed the Bayraktar drones at the Odessa airfield. And also the Odessa Bridge, through which fuel supplies from Romania pass, was again "calibrated" by Russian troops.

    From the interesting: In the Kharkov region, our troops attacked the 164th radio-technical intelligence brigade of the air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    Other reports:

    The People's Militia of the DNR is trying to penetrate Avdeyevka from several sides. strong resistance. The Russian army, advancing from the Izyum direction, is also strengthening its flanks in order to further develop the offensive to the south and southwest.

    There is a noticeable concentration of several armored mechanized brigades to attack Barvenkovo



    Report on the fighting in Kharkov - by mirkoxx from burbuja.info

    Skirmishes between Russia and Ukraine continued today near Roskaya Lozovaya and Kutuzovka without changes on the front. The Ukrainian front near Kazachya Lopan was deserted due to the transfer of Ukrainian troops to Russkaya Lozovaya and Tsirkuny. Russian forces were able to capture the villages of Turovo and Makarovo near Kazachya Lopan with relative ease. At that time, Russkaya Lozovaya was still under Russian control.

    "Kazachya Lopan is the place where a battalion of the Kiev army failed to break through the Russian defenses last time. Turovo and Makarovo are a little further south, which is the junction of the two armies. Basically, it was the starting point of the "counteroffensive for the villages" of the Kiev Army from the north of Karkov to the northeast last week."

    In the direction of Slobozhanske and Izyum - intense shelling.

    The Kiev forces, according to the US military, will attempt a suicide offensive; "Ukraine is going through Kupiansk, they will seek to cut the critical supply line to Izyum by trapping many Russians in that bag.""Cutting off one direction of the main supply routes to Izyum, forces a detour by Pirokolotne which is very close to the firing radius of the Ukrainian artillery, which would effectively cut off supplies from Belgorod.»


    Map of the Krasny Liman sector - contributed by cryfar74 from burbuja.info

    Map of the situation in the Krasny Liman area, compiled according to information from local residents



    along the line of contact:
    Yampol - Russia
    Ozernoye - a gray zone (no-man's-land, fighting)
    Ozyonoe - Zakotnoye Bridge is not known. On April 19, the last information that was still intact
    Zakotnoe – "arrivals" (shelling).
    Ozernoe - Krivaya Luka BRIDGE DESTROYED
    Krivaya Luka - arrivals
    Dibrov - gray zone, fighting
    Raygorodok - Railway bridge destroyed, automobile bridge - damaged.
    Liman: fighting on the outskirts from the Southeast to the North

    Drobyshevo: people dig trenches in the gardens
    Shandrigolovo: arrivals in the center

    Aleksandrovka: Russia
    Korovi Yar: Russia

    Krymki: unknown
    Yatskovka: unknown

    According to unconfirmed reports, about a thousand soldiers of the Ukrainian army are surrounded on Yatskovka and Rubtsy (red circle on the map). - Unbeknownst to me, in previous reports it was believed that they were trapped on the west side of the reservoir... unless it's another bag.

    Oskol; the right bank of the city (east bank) is in the hands of the Russians.
    Yaryomovka - Studenok bridge destroyed

    Russian Army communiqué – 11:30 a.m. 2 May

    Results for the 1st of May

    High-precision air-launched missiles hit 38 Ukrainian military installations in one day. Among them: four command posts, 30 fortified points, areas of concentration of troops and materiel, and three warehouses of missile and artillery weapons in the areas of the Pervomayskoye and Ilyichevka settlements. Also destroyed were: the anti-aircraft missile system "Osa AKM" and a battery of multiple launch rocket systems in the Arkhangelovka area.

    The operational-tactical and military aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces reached 27 fortified points and areas of concentration of troops and materiel, as well as a depot of weapons and rocket and artillery ammunition near the village of Chervonoe, Zaporozhye region. 160 killed and 26 armored vehicles destroyed.

    the missile forces hit fortified points and areas of concentration of troops and materiel, as well as a Ukrainian battery of BM-21 Grad multiple launch rocket systems and an artillery battery in firing positions.

    Artillery units reached 26 command posts, 78 positions, 359 areas of concentration of troops and materiel, and 67 artillery piece settlements. Six ammunition depots, up to 280 tanks and 43 heavy weapons and vehicles were destroyed.

    During the day, Russian air defense systems destroyed 10 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles in the areas of the settlements of Vesele, Borshchevo and Balakleya in the Kharkiv region, Kiselevka in the Kherson region, Mayak in the Zaporozhe region, Dokuchaev, Korsun and Khanzhinkovo of the Donetsk People's Republic, as well as in the area of the city of Luhansk. Two Tochka-U tactical missiles were shot down in the area of the Petrivske settlement, Luhansk People's Republic, and one Smerch rocket was destroyed in the Donetsk region.

    During an air battle near Slaviansk, a Ukrainian MiG-29 fighter was shot down.

    In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, the following have been destroyed: 146 aircraft, 112 helicopters, 683 unmanned aerial vehicles, 281 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,756 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 316 multiple rocket launchers, 1,234 field artillery guns and mortars, as well as 2,563 units of special military vehicles.

    Statement militia of the Donetsk Republic (fragments) 2 May

    Over the past day (May 1), the enemy fired 168 shells and mines from 122-mm Grad rocket launchers, 122-mm cannon artillery and 120-mm mortars.

    The areas of EIGHT settlements of the Republic were bombed. As a result of the Ukrainian aggression, three civilians were killed and SEVEN were injured. SEVENTY-NINE residential buildings, ELEVEN civilian infrastructure facilities and THREE vehicles were damaged.

    A girl wounded in Makeyevka in the shelling of 28 April died of her wounds.

    https://antimaydan.info/2022/05/v_makeevke_skonchalas_devochka_posle_obstrela_iz_rszo.html

    Losses suffered by the enemy:

    39 soldiers killed, two 120 mm mortars and 1 ZU-23-2 anti-aircraft, 2 BMP armored and a 1 BTR destroyed

    Captured: 1 tank, 2 armored BTR and one armored car.

    Statement militia of the Luhansk Republic (fragments) 2 May

    Losses suffered by the enemy:

    26 killed; 5 armored vehicles; 7 trucks, 8 prisoners.

    The People's Militia liberation march continues; yesterday, units of the defense department pushed enemy forces into the northwestern part of the city of POPASNAYA.

    During the clearing of the liberated areas, the units discovered a basement in which the nationalist formations of Ukraine were holding TWENTY civilians hostage. The young people were intimidated with threats to kill relatives and friends, to force them to take up arms and go to the slaughterhouse against the Luhansk militia units, and thus buy time for the nationalists to retreat. All rescued civilians were evacuated from the combat zone and received medical assistance.

    The People's Militia of the PRL, together with public organizations, continues to deliver humanitarian aid to needy residents of the liberated territories.

    So, yesterday in n. p. The border division of the NM of the PRL, together with the All-Russian Popular Front OD, delivered humanitarian aid, which included food parcels, baby food, water, medical bandages and generators, which will help residents cope with the humanitarian catastrophe in the city.


    Ukrainian losses 28 April

    TODAY 03 April

    09:30

    The head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, announced a large-scale offensive of the LPR and Chechen fighters along the entire front line in the Luhansk People's Republic, starting from the Zarya factory and up to the village of Voevodovka, as a result, the enemy was driven out of fortified positions and pushed a considerable distance.
    As Apta Alaudinov, assistant to the head of Chechnya power, reported last week, only the Zarya chemical plant remained under the control of Ukrainian troops in the suburb of Rubezhnoye. He specified that Ukrainian troops continue to bombard Rubezhnoyfrom the direction of Lisichansk and Severodonetsk under their control.

    According to him, as a result of a lightning strike, the enemy was driven out of fortified positions and made a considerable distance. During the battles, the enemy suffered losses of seven blidnados and more than 100 casualties.

    Map of progress in this sector


    Fighting in Avdeyevka

    https://topwar.ru/195786-pozicii-protivnika-planomerno-unichtozhajutsja-pod-avdeevkoj.html

    The Russian aviation is now resorting to parachute-braked bombs dropped at low altitude to achieve greater accuracy in bombing.

    https://topwar.ru/195790-minoborony-pokazalo-kadry-primenenija-aviabomb-s-parashjutnym-mehanizmom-po-ukreplennym-pozicijam-protivnika.html


    Other reports and links of interest:

    About the poor state of the Ukrainian army - Moon of Alabama

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/05/ukraines-army-is-in-very-bad-state-more-fighting-will-only-destroy-it.html#more

    New mobilization

    Confirmation of Ukrainian losses is that a new cam is being prepared:

    "According to informed sources, Zelensky's office is preparing a decree on a new mobilization, which will allow recruiting more than 100,000 people into the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. This will be the fourth cam. It was announced at a briefing at the Ukraine-Ukrinform media center by the head of the personnel department of the headquarters of the Ground Forces Command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Roman Gorbachev.»


    Ukrainian war crimes in Mariupol

    The Azov Nazis blew up the building although as we reported back in the day although part of the hostages were allowed to escape, not all of them could.


    Several dozen dead were found under the rubble in the building of the Mariupol Drama Theater, blown up by Ukrainian nationalists. The head of the DPR Denis Pushilin told reporters about this today.

    "I hope that this is not the number, not the numbers that sounded in the air, but so far several dozen bodies have been found. The cleaning of debris is continuing," the head of state said.

    He added that the work is hampered by the remains of unexploded shells and a number of other technical nuances. Employees of the Prosecutor General's Office of the DPR and the Investigative Committee of Russia are working at the scene.

    The Donetsk Regional Academic Drama Theater in the city of Mariupol was destroyed in mid-March as a result of an explosion of Ukrainian nationalists. The building of the cultural institution was used by them as one of the strongholds with firing positions where the militants held civilians. According to various sources, several hundred civilians may have been held hostage in the theater's air raid shelter.

    Mariupol is the largest city on the Azov Sea coast, one of the key centers of metallurgy in Donbass and an important seaport. The struggle for it began on February 25, during the hostilities, the city was completely blockaded, and then cleared of the invaders. The remains of militants of the neo-Nazi formation "Azov" (the organization is banned in the DPR) are blocked in the industrial zone of the Azovstal plant.

    Reminder of how the war started, with the Ukrainian army firing on the civilian population.

    https://www.burbuja.info/inmobiliaria/threads/video-mariupol-9-de-mayo-de-2014-aniversario-de-la-victoria-sovietica-la-policia-y-fuerzas-armadas-del-gobierno-de-kiev-abren-fuego-20-muertos.1728945/

    Separately, another massacre occurred in Mariupol when Ukrainian armored vehicles strafed the police station after the policemen refused to fire on the people.


    Feature about Azovstal - Komsomolskaya Pravda

    https://www.kp.ru/daily/27387/4581736/

    Videos of correspondent Sladkov

    https://antimaydan.info/2022/05/sladkov_1479468.html

    Yuri Podolyak's blog, which he confused with Andrey Chervonets. Although he is criticized for being often optimistic, his video summaries are a reference for following the conflict. They are in Russian but you can activate the subtitles and translate them into English or Spanish.

    https://yurasumy.livejournal.com/3184245.html


    About arms supplies to Ukraine and why they will not change anything


    https://riafan.ru/23161707-bol_shoi_brat_vse_vidit_baranets_raskril_glavnii_sekret_postavok_soten_tankov_i_gaubits_kievu


    The Russian official states the obvious, satellites and Russian intelligence keep track of those shipments and bomb them with ease.

    Several videos of interest

    https://antimaydan.info/2022/05/1479511.html

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    Post  JohninMK Tue May 03, 2022 12:09 pm

    billybatts91 wrote:
    Ispan wrote:I cobbled together a summary of what happened on 2 May plus briefings of the results of 1st May plus some other news and info

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/05/03/noticias-de-la-guerra-03-05-2022/

    No English translation?

    Ispan does enough generating his reports.

    Anyway, you should know by now, either do your own or wait for mine.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue May 03, 2022 12:19 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:
    "Filtration camps" were already used as a propaganda tool during Chechen wars, suggesting that those are a part of some atrocities.
    As it was not a holiday resort in Chechenya of course, it does not reassemble the situation now. They just keep people in processing facilities, until they are properly questioned, checked, and eventually sent further. Some of them have families in Russia and are determined to get to a dedicated locations, so it is a process of making reasonable transportation etc.

    My problem with that is the atrocities part which outrageously stupid yet propagated massively.  Believe it or not from what i see on how those are publicized it's almost as if Russia intend to replace the whole population with Russians.  

    You are facing a massive propaganda plot. We all do.
    But it works on both sides.
    But of course, there are filtration camps, and there is no need and point to deny that.
    The question that one should ask and be answered, is what it means.
    People are interrogated and questioned there.
    Russians are collecting materials about Azov crimes, war crimes etc.
    The best way is to ask the questions as soon as possible when memory is fresh, and situations just happened.
    If one wants to call it "filtration camps", let it be. Who gives a f$k?
    The most bizarre part of each conflict is the level of polarization it creates. One side will put all the blame on the other, while the other will start to deny everything. It does not work that way.
    War is war. No side is a saint.
    Denying material damage, own casualties, collateral damage, accidental deaths - is both stupid and pointless. It is war.
    The question we may ask is how the conflict applies to the other conflicts we have seen. Is there extensive aggression on the sides, and how and why it is applied?
    There are thousands of civilian death in Mariupol only, and from any perspective, they have died because of the Russian operation.
    So it is the Russian fault, and there is no point in discussing that.
    Just the same way civilians killed in Falluja or Raqqa are US fault.
    Any reasonable discussion or analysis must be based on common sense and principal things. If one will deny the obvious facts just to create a better ... hm ... moral base, the whole context would be spoiled already.
    This conflict brought thousands of civilian deaths.
    There is no point in discussing that either.
    Was it worth it? Well, the Russian regime considered that yes.
    Nobody is claiming the US "right" to secure their own interest and "security", no matter how far from their own soil they are doing that.
    Only in Raqqa they have killed close to 2000 people, destroyed 11 000 homes, 8 hospitals, 29 mosques, 40+ schools, a whole water system and all existing university facilities.
    And that is if we stick to official US provided data and we talk a 300k people city only!!
    And how in details it applies to a conflict with the biggest territorial country in Europe, with the second in numbers European army?

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    Post  Ispan Tue May 03, 2022 1:07 pm

    billybatts91 wrote:
    Ispan wrote:I cobbled together a summary of what happened on 2 May plus briefings of the results of 1st May plus some other news and info

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/05/03/noticias-de-la-guerra-03-05-2022/

    No English translation?


    It's easy, get yourself a browser with automated translation. All browsers do it anyway. I use Yandex and Chrome, but they have recommended Vivaldi as well.

    Or simply copy paste the URL in google translate or yandex, the option translate site. so that way you don't have to copypaste chunks of text into the box.

    It's not that hard really. I have many issues translating from Telegram channels, I do it by viewing it in web browser, but I found out that I can also do it by switching on to the old version and tapping on the message to read.



    We are not in 2014 anymore. Automated translation to English works wonders.

    Anyway, if you want to follow this war, you need to read Russian sites, an automated translation is a must. It really is not that hard to configure the browser settings. If you are technically challenged simply google it how to do it.

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    Post  GarryB Tue May 03, 2022 1:30 pm

    Sorry Garry, but that botched logic will not work. According to Rybar just in two nights of April 30 and May 1, Ukrainians managed to tramsport around 2000 new soldiers and 50 units of various tech.

    So?

    Were they going towards the front or away from it?

    If they are moving troops and equipment forward then it is moving towards the Russian guns that will deal with it.

    Aside from local counterattacks Ukrainians are not changing tactics and most of their forces are on defense or use hit and run and ambush tactics.
    They don't show any willingness to go on offensive and talks about one are mostly used in propaganda purposes.

    Moving troops forward would suggest they want them there for something.... ambushes only work against moving enemy forces... if they want to sneak them past Russian lines to hit their supply units, that would be one thing, but if they are moving troops forward to form up groups large enough to attack or relieve encircled forces then just let them and wipe them out when they are used.

    I'm thinling that US is planning their operations and that they are showed more than willing to protract this conflict as long as possible and make Russians bleed.

    Sure they are but the current situation is that the Ukrainian forces are being obliterated quite efficiently and effectively and the Russians seem to be maintaining their positions and numbers.

    Russians dexision makers succumbing to new Holodomor bs used for propaganda purposes, would be another victory for Ukraine in psychological warfare.

    You give figures for soldiers and equipment being moved but you don't mention food or civilian traffic on those lines...

    Your claim that bridges are maybe not militarily significant in a country that's crossed by major river with multiple dams, i will not comment.

    My claim is that if it was militarily important to bring those bridges down and there were no consequences for the civilian population then they would likely be down already because the Russian military can destroy bridges.

    Almost always ,in war, military is not only one that makes decisions. And many times military and politicians views clash. I believe this is one case of that. Instead of isolating to a largest possible degree Donbas and East Ukrainian groupings and destroying them easier, you allow them to replenish and bring fresh troops while increasing death toll and losses of your soldiers is a "3D chess", i don't want to even try to understand or justify.

    There are always political objectives that are important, but if your enemy wants to rush more forces into cauldrons normal procedure is to let them... there is no evidence that filling more Ukrainians into these trapped areas increases the dangers for the Russian troops holding them in place... it is when they try to withdraw in numbers that you close the gaps and start to reduce the contents with crisscross cuts and shelling.

    Dancing around and playing "high moral ground" shtick has produced some really bad results in Ukraine so far.

    Russia has the moral high ground... they are clearly the only side that cares for civilian casualties and the basic rules of war about treatment of prisoners.

    They are not going to lose this conflict by taking down a couple of bridges... think of it as a body... a wound has been opened and the body naturally sends blood and antibodies towards the wound to defend the body from infection... destroying the bridges stops the flow of blood to the wound... how is the patient supposed to bleed out in such a situation?

    So you would rather Russia fight the bulk of Ukraine's troops and equipment as far away from their own supply lines in Russia as possible?

    Let them come to the Russian forces where they can be pounded by airstrikes and artillery, instead of having to drive all over Ukraine from city to city hunting them down...

    I believe that destruction of forces in East Ukraine would be a final blow. It would completely destroy the morale of the remaining troops and reservists. Most of the troops in the East are best trained, with most experience. Almost all nationalist battalions are in Donbas and around Kharkov.

    I agree and think Ukraine continuing to fight afterwards would be what the west and the US wants but would not be in the interests of Ukrainians themselves.

    Russian Forces will achieve their goals easier and with less casualties while the casualties on the side of the Wehrmacht will skyrocket.

    And having the Orcs come to them is easier than chasing them around the countryside.

    You can see one small explosion when it hit in front of the building followed by a bigger one which seems underground.

    If it was a bunker and a secondary explosion of larger size was seen after the first explosion how can you say it missed?

    If it missed there would be no secondary explosions...

    They need Russia to be bled dry by this war, and that if we re lucky and it does not extend to Transnistria, Kaliningrad, Caucasus etc. and becomes a world war.

    Which is why Russia needs to bleed the Ukraine dry...

    The "high moral ground" is an excuse for the so-called "Russians" who are either partially or fully of ethnic Ukrainian origin, protecting their really own people.

    You both miss the point.... the west tries to use the high moral ground as an excuse for doing very bad things... they used the high moral ground of saving albanians in Kosovo... to bomb Serbia and kill innocent people so they could steal the territory of Kosovo from Serbian control despite UN resolutions to the contrary.

    Russia is not using high morals in this conflict to justify anything they are applying morals to their behaviour to avoid what they think are warcrimes and despicable behaviour... like the behaviour we have seen from the Ukrainians like murdering prisoners and using their own civilians as meat shields to shoot their enemy while hiding behind.

    How come the major grouping of the Ukrainian forces west of the Donbas has not been carpet bombed?

    Most are inside cities and surrounded by civilians, but plenty of barracks and fuel and ammo dumps as well as military bases and factories have already been hit and destroyed... it is going to continue and escalate over time.

    Killing hundreds of thousands of soldiers in battle takes time and it is up to the Ukrainian people how many have to die... it is their choice.

    No matter how much the west likes to think it is theirs.

    because artillery is available.

    Let the enemy move forward to the front line and let artillery and air power deal with these Ukrainian troops... it is frightening how effective modern artillery can be when used well... and Russia knows how to use it.

    Why no S-400/pantsir on that island yet ?

    Possibly considered too remote and vulnerable to divers equipped with ATGMs?

    Why didn't the Russian generals order the destruction of all large rail bridges on the dnepr? Apparently there are many functioning ones and the Ukrainians are still bringing reinforcements from the west through them. What would happen if Russia tried to destroy the rail tunnels in Transcarpathia ?

    Why stop the targets coming to the shooting range?

    I would be naive to think the loss of bridges would stop the flow... they have boats you know... and splitting up the groups makes them harder to track and locate later on.

    Millions of patriotic russians are telling the russian generals to **** themselves.

    Of course... the best way to run a war is via public opinion... Rolling Eyes

    With enough bombs and missiles everything can be a cakewalk

    But you have to use them

    Actually during WWII the German bomber attack that struck Stalingrad actually made the fighting rather harder for the German forces because they could no longer drive their armour into the city and use fire power to defeat their enemy... not that armour is a great idea in a city most of the time... the rubble created from the bombing wasn't effective at killing people but it created lots of places for them to hide and attack German forces from.

    God, I hope this is true. This would unleash the full power of Russia on Ukraine and end this war quicker while inflicting a humiliating defeat on NATO/West

    Sending in more troops would just give the Ukrainians more supply convoys to attack... Russias problems are not related to their lack of numbers... they are doing an excellent job and hitting rather well above their weight.

    So i heard there is "Filtration camp" In Mariupol where people are being "processed" prior to sending to Russia. It's a pure logical insanity yet people posted such as "news" and there are those who believe it.

    How exactly such can help Russia ? Also i heard some crazy rumor too about Russia "switching" school children in Mariupol with Russian childrens. which WTF. and other thing like Russia stealing grains from Kherson region... Like Russia itself is not a grain producer.

    Perhaps your problem is you are listening to Orc propaganda and thinking it has anything to do with reality.

    They are looking through the civilians that have surrendered to try to find nazis and soldiers trying to escape so a filtration camp to locate and identify people guilty of war crimes pretending to be civilans and trying to escape like an ISIS member dressing up as a woman to escape in Syria, so camps to sort out innocent from the guilty make sense.

    Why would Russia send Russian kids to a Ukrainian location... makes no sense at all, and stealing resources from Ukraine sounds like more Orc propaganda too.

    and to see such BS spreads out so easily are making me sad

    The perhaps repeating it and therefore spreading it yourself is not the best idea then.... Razz

    "Filtration camps" were already used as a propaganda tool during Chechen wars, suggesting that those are a part of some atrocities.
    As it was not a holiday resort in Chechenya of course, it does not reassemble the situation now. They just keep people in processing facilities, until they are properly questioned, checked, and eventually sent further. Some of them have families in Russia and are determined to get to a dedicated locations, so it is a process of making reasonable transportation etc.

    It is hipocracy of course considering the western history of Abu Ghrab and also rendition sites all over Europe and also Guantanimo, but when Russia does it it is somehow evidence of something sinister... What a Face

    My problem with that is the atrocities part which outrageously stupid yet propagated massively. Believe it or not from what i see on how those are publicized it's almost as if Russia intend to replace the whole population with Russians.

    With Russians or with Ukrainians that fled the Ukraine to escape the nazis being sent by Kiev to replace them?



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    Post  franco Tue May 03, 2022 1:51 pm

    Good analysis...


    1/ I started this analysis as a reply, but decided to post it here. Any factual criticism is welcomed:
    Ukraine started with ~210.000 total troops (only 40-50%? are combat troops). Around 80.000 equipted with majority of tanks/IFV/anti-air were in Donbas, sheltering in concrete

    Full post: https://twitter.com/DrLove_73/status/1521083016638050305

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    Post  kvs Tue May 03, 2022 2:16 pm

    The filtration camp propaganda is just the NATzO west and its Kiev proxies denying the existence of ethnic Russians
    in Mariupol.   They accounted for over 80% of the population and it cannot be claimed that that the remaining part
    was all frothing at the mouth Banderite.    Filtration camps are needed to weed out the terrorists hiding as civilians.
    We have cases where children were used by Azov terrorists trying to escape as a make-up family after the real parents
    were murdered.  

    There is no Ukraine in its Soviet borders.   It is a fiction.   We have people from Kharkov who flee to Lvov choosing to
    return since they are subjected to abuse from "pure and true Ukrainians" in the the west.   Somebody posted an image
    of a billboard which may well be a fake but which accurately describes the situation: three grades of "Ukrainian" the
    first, of course, is in the Lvov region, the second is central and the lowest is the east and south.

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    Post  kvs Tue May 03, 2022 2:21 pm

    franco wrote:Good analysis...


    1/ I started this analysis as a reply, but decided to post it here. Any factual criticism is welcomed:
    Ukraine started with ~210.000 total troops (only 40-50%? are combat troops). Around 80.000 equipted with majority of tanks/IFV/anti-air were in Donbas, sheltering in concrete

    Full post: https://twitter.com/DrLove_73/status/1521083016638050305


    The estimates I have seen are 250,000 "best grade" troops. The reservists are extra. The regime had 100,000 troops on the fortified
    positions in the LDNR but was also planning to attack Crimea. It would not have been so brave if it had only 100,000 properly trained
    and equipped troops. NATzO was working hard over the last 8 years training the Kiev regime army. So 250,000 is plausible.

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    Post  medo Tue May 03, 2022 3:05 pm

    On February 17th, when Ukraine start the war in Donbass, they have 150.000 best troops in Donbass as they plan to capture it in 4 days. After a month there remain around 40.000 ukrainian troops in Donbass and Ukraine start to send reservists, which they mobilized after Russian intervention. Around 100.000 ukrainian troops simply dissapeared, they were not captured, they were not wounded, neither they retreat to other positions, as such big force would be able to do counter attacks. After crashing Ukrainian front lines on both flanks in LNR and in south DNR, where was very large ukrainian concentration, as from those flanks Ukrainian army should encircle major LNR and DNR towns and cut them from Russian border. After destroying those flanks, Ukrainian army is only in defense in Donbass and don't forget about lost of around 20.000 soldiers in Mariupol itself. Ukraine already lost majority of their professional army. Army was not only professional soldiers, but also conscripts.

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    Post  billybatts91 Tue May 03, 2022 4:13 pm

    Ispan wrote:
    billybatts91 wrote:
    Ispan wrote:I cobbled together a summary of what happened on 2 May plus briefings of the results of 1st May plus some other news and info

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/05/03/noticias-de-la-guerra-03-05-2022/

    No English translation?


    It's easy, get yourself a browser with automated translation. All browsers do it anyway. I use Yandex and Chrome, but they have recommended Vivaldi as well.

    Or simply copy paste the URL in google translate or yandex, the option translate site. so that way you don't have to copypaste chunks of text into the box.

    It's not that hard really. I have many issues translating from Telegram channels, I do it by viewing it in web browser, but I found out that I can also do it by switching on to the old version and tapping on the message to read.



    We are not in 2014 anymore. Automated translation to English works wonders.

    Anyway, if you want to follow this war, you need to read Russian sites, an automated translation is a must. It really is not that hard to configure the browser settings. If you are technically challenged simply google it how to do it.

    I know how to translate a freaking page, Jesus Christ. The translations aren't perfect though and that's why I asked if there's an authentic English translation, not some half-assed Google one, you genius.

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