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Log inIf the Ukrainians were clever the conflict would not have started, Zelenesky wouldn't be the leader, Kolomoyskyi would be buried, NATO would have been kept out, and there would be no Azov Nazis. Based on that track record, I doubt they are capable of a clever counter-attack, even with the US pulling the strings.klahtinen wrote:Finnish newspapers are writing that Russia is about to be greatly defeated in Kharkov region because of a very clever Ukrainian counter-attack. Is there any truth in that?
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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #14
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flamming_python wrote:
Yeah I'm taking a break from this shit as watching too much of it was beginning to get to my head.
I have some things to get done in real life. First and foremost.
You need to take serious only serious things bro
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #14
flamming_python Wed May 04, 2022 4:50 pm
klahtinen wrote:Finnish newspapers are writing that Russia is about to be greatly defeated in Kharkov region because of a very clever Ukrainian counter-attack. Is there any truth in that?
Haven't been following the war for the past week
But no. No there isn't.
Ispan wrote:An old comrade from Argentina is back and I copypasted his report on yesterday with maps on the blog
https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/05/04/noticias-de-la-guerra-04-05-2022/
It seems I cracked a rib or two and I am not feeling well I lack of sleep and have a truckload of paperwork to do at work, so no updates today while I am in the office. At home, maybe, who knows.
Maybe take a break for a week or two?
Don't be defeating yourself now
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They overflew Iran, and those strikes must have been at some 750-800km range at least, which is farther than what Wikipedia claims is the max range (660km) of the base version.
From the coast of Kalmykia to Krivoy Rog it's 1100km.
Hahahahaha... Calibr is based on the Granat torpedo tube launched subsonic long range cruise missile from the 1980s.... it is the Soviet Navys long range cruise missile... 3,000km range with a nuke warhead... no terminal guidance so accuracy levels of 200m or so means nuke warhead is necessary. The current models of Calibr based on upgraded versions of the old missile but with terminal guidance used on the Kh-101 means a conventional and nuclear armed model is available... 2,500km for conventional model because its warhead is rather heavier than the nuke warhead of the 3K km range model which offsets its fuel load and reduces flight range.
(Note Granat is not related to Granit the 7.5 ton supersonic missiles of the Kuznetsov and Orlan class ships and Oscar class SSGNs.)
Export models have 300-400km range because of export rules... depending on the customer of course.
The standard widely used calibre is a 533mm calibre missile similar to the air launched Kh-55, which has a range of 2,500km in the standard model and 3,000km with the Kh-55SM version with saddle tanks. The Kh-555 has the saddle tanks and the terminal guidance of the Kh-101 so it has a conventional warhead too.
There is a new version of Calibr being designed to fill out the UKSK launch tube so it is increased in calibre and length (750mm instead of 533mm and 7.4m long instead of 6m long) to match the Kh-101/102 in size and performance.... so flight range is 4,500km for the conventionally armed model.
Reportedly the land attack Kalibrs are upwards to 1,500km while antiship is a few hundred km's
The range of the anti ship missile is unknown... the export model has a range of 300km but is limited by export agreements, if the Russian one had such a short range why use it when Onyx has much better range than that and moves more than two times faster...
The subsonic anti ship model of Calibre with the supersonic rocket powered terminal section missile would be a terrible waste of time and money if it only had a range of 600km or less... the whole point of the subsonic first stage is to achieve enormous range with an efficient turbofan motor.
Post by analyst Tom Cooper.
Coop is seriously Russophobic...
Interesting is the time delay.
If you will watch the full film, there is A LOT of time before bombs detonate.
And the bombs do not look like a runway/bunker busters
When there is more soil than concrete and it is trenches rather than deep bunkers you are dealing with then a delay and a tail fuse means the bombs get into a decent amount of dirt before the go boom, and also eliminates the risk of a nose mounted fuse being sheered off and failing to go boom.
Este man garriebee nos ha faltado el respeto, es un tronko real.
Your sun just set brother... posting things in foreign languages without translation is against the rules as this is an English language forum.
Disrespecting Admin gives you a nice break though... a month.
In any case, that Su-24 was horribly vulnerable to AA fire. This bombing is straight out of WW2. Why would it need to bomb so low when it has the SVP-24?
If it is moving at 700km/h plus AA fire would be difficult, especially at night as the sound of the aircraft would compress so it would appear suddenly and rapidly disappear for those not expecting it...
Finnish newspapers are writing that Russia is about to be greatly defeated in Kharkov region because of a very clever Ukrainian counter-attack. Is there any truth in that?
So newspapers in Finland are making public Kievs plans for secret and surprise attacks... that sounds like the sort of things newspapers all round the world would not do... imagine D Day thwarted by the Germans because they heard the date and time for the attack and were able to repel it.
Or is it a bluff to try to get the Russians to concentrate their forces somewhere where they are not needed?
Who knows... who cares... it is probably just a win for the Orcs and a loss for the Russians that Finland newspapers can crow about... make believe is fun like that.
And it's not about who's right and who's wrong, and who's to blame for the war. It's about what to do now.
He has influence in a large section of the west and the third world.... screw the west, but in the third world it would be useful for Russia to win some hearts and minds... but not at the expense of anything serious of course.
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In any case, that Su-24 was horribly vulnerable to AA fire. This bombing is straight out of WW2. Why would it need to bomb so low when it has the SVP-24?
As far as I know no Su-24's have been lost on the Russian side so far? If I'm not mistaken the strike took place during the night which would make it very hard for optical AA's to spot at such low level anyway.
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Erk wrote:
If the Ukrainians were clever the conflict would not have started, Zelenesky wouldn't be the leader, Kolomoyskyi would be buried, NATO would have been kept out, and there would be no Azov Nazis. Based on that track record, I doubt they are capable of a clever counter-attack, even with the US pulling the strings.
Well, that is a kind of myth we often like to repeat, ignoring reality.
Ukrainian nationalism, build around Bandera, Shuchevych, SS Galizien, etc is nothing new and did not start in 2014.
It arises from the ashes like a fuckin' phoenix each time, no matter if that would be Poles or Russians who buried it under solid cover of blood&dirt.
Ukrainian unrests were among the causes of destruction of Polish might in XVII century already, no matter how they described themselves or distinguished from the others.
Bloody conflict existed even before the Polish declaration of independence in 1918 and only heated up later on. It continued well for the whole pre-war period, after the German occupation, Soviet annexation, and following ethnic cleansing on the borders. A regular civil war was running well into 50s, costing the lives of 100 000 Soviet troops, and God knows how many Ukrainians.
After the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the newly established Ukrainian regime already waw using ethnic & religion factors for resolving internal matters. Crimea and Sevastopol tried to secess from the Ukrainian state as early as 1991, with no less than 3 attempts, drowned in blood by the Ukro secret services 30 years ago already.
The nazi ideology was always there, the addiction to Germany was always there either. A nationalist factor was heavily used as a nation-maker, and the Galychyna territory was a hub of both ideology and cadres for this process.
So "if the Ucrainians would have been clever" addresses to the 300 years of struggle more than post-2014. We must keep that in mind.
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So "if the Ucrainians would have been clever" addresses to the 300 years of struggle more than post-2014. We must keep that in mind.
But to be clear only a tiny minority of radicals want Russians dead and to grow bio weapons and make nukes to do it...
Most Orcs probably wanted to join EU and HATO for the money and feeling of financial security... I doubt they felt Russia would invade and without this nazi bullshit and bio weapons and nukes and the fact that Kiev was going to start a war anyway they probably would not have invaded at all.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #14
PapaDragon Wed May 04, 2022 5:35 pm
klahtinen wrote:Finnish newspapers are writing that Russia is about to be greatly defeated in Kharkov region because of a very clever Ukrainian counter-attack. Is there any truth in that?
Everyone else already answered but I'll chip in as well:
You need troops, tanks, artillery and aircraft for counterattack, clever or otherwise
And you need a lot of it
Does Ukraine look like it has any of those?
Also, Ukraine has been acting opposite of clever for a very long time
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GarryB wrote:So "if the Ucrainians would have been clever" addresses to the 300 years of struggle more than post-2014. We must keep that in mind.
But to be clear only a tiny minority of radicals want Russians dead and to grow bio weapons and make nukes to do it...
Most Orcs probably wanted to join EU and HATO for the money and feeling of financial security... I doubt they felt Russia would invade and without this nazi bullshit and bio weapons and nukes and the fact that Kiev was going to start a war anyway they probably would not have invaded at all.
It is EU's fault, to begin with.
Ukraine was really teased with the vision of integration for years, and that was not 2013-2014 only.
10 years ago, EURO2012 was organized as a common sports event in Poland and Ukraine. Both countries were hosts of it, and this is a really big sports fiesta in Europe. It required an enormous investment in both countries, coordinated among both of them.
It was an E2012 building boom that flattened the economic crisis of 2008 in both countries, as a mass structural investment program was applied.
A visa regime was set loose, millions of Ukrainians could visit Poland, and the opposite.
From the Ukrainian perspective, there is no doubt it could bring the expectations high, as they felt like quasi EU members already.
I can't blame them for that.
What didn't work, was a fact that Ukraine is a corrupted, rotten oligarchy that can't be an EU member mostly due to an absolute lack of values. It would require a 20 years of social experiment and struggle that was impossible due to nonstop oligarchy wars inside the country. What is really sad, is the fact that under the Yanukovych rule, they actually did start these structural changes, and achieved outstanding GDP growth with him at the posts of both prime minister, and the president. Ukrainian GDP quadrupled in 14 years. The time of economic boom was shadowed by political stress, doubtfully valid and fair elections, struggles of the regime at all fronts.
I dare to say, that if the political solution negotiated under the EU umbrella in 2014 would have been followed, Ukraine today would be another country already. In a good meaning. But the Yanks put it's greedy fingers and mingled the mud.
The biggest victims are Ukrainians, who have lost their future for good.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #14
flamming_python Wed May 04, 2022 5:37 pm
Stealthflanker wrote:So i heard there is "Filtration camp" In Mariupol where people are being "processed" prior to sending to Russia. It's a pure logical insanity yet people posted such as "news" and there are those who believe it.
How exactly such can help Russia ? Also i heard some crazy rumor too about Russia "switching" school children in Mariupol with Russian childrens. which WTF. and other thing like Russia stealing grains from Kherson region... Like Russia itself is not a grain producer.
There is a filtration area in Mariupol for civilians coming out of Azovstal, to make sure they're not disguised Nazis
That's about it.
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GarryB wrote:So "if the Ucrainians would have been clever" addresses to the 300 years of struggle more than post-2014. We must keep that in mind.
But to be clear only a tiny minority of radicals want Russians dead and to grow bio weapons and make nukes to do it...
Most Orcs probably wanted to join EU and HATO for the money and feeling of financial security... I doubt they felt Russia would invade and without this nazi bullshit and bio weapons and nukes and the fact that Kiev was going to start a war anyway they probably would not have invaded at all.
Exactly, Ukraine's problems started 24 August 1991, and have been a long string of bad leadership decisions since then, that let the money devils take hold, culminating in the 2014 coup, which started the shelling of eastern Ukrainian citizens. Russia is trying to perform an exorcism, but it's going to take a lot more than killing minions.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #14
PapaDragon Wed May 04, 2022 5:42 pm
Sujoy wrote:Some sections of the Western leadership beginning to accept the truth
....
Vatican has been increasingly irrelevant for very long time now and Catholicism has been going extinct across the whole Europe
Decade ago Ireland was 90% hardcore Catholic but today well over half of them are atheist and number keeps rising
I don't need to tell you what Catholicism used to be in Ireland
It's similar in other countries
Had they spent less time trying to convert already Christian East Europe into Catholicism and more looking after their own backyard maybe today they wouldn't be on their way out
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I had to quarantine for two weeks before I could fly to another country. Ukrainians leaving Azovstal are stepping foot on de facto Russian controlled territory.
We're in the middle of a pandemic people!
We're in the middle of a pandemic people!
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PapaDragon wrote:
I don't need to tell you what Catholicism used to be in Ireland
An organized slave labor camp.
And a holiday resort for cleric pedophiles.
lyle6 wrote:I had to quarantine for two weeks before I could fly to another country. Ukrainians leaving Azovstal are stepping foot on de facto Russian controlled territory.
We're in the middle of a pandemic people!
Oh! A sane voice from the other side of a planet!
But I must tell you that it does not work that way here, bro
Putin is a guaranteed medical Noble winner for killing the covid.
There is none in Europe.
People are dying ... because of death.
Nothing more, carry on!
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You're free tosundoesntrise wrote:Bruvs what happened to posters like atlascub and miketheterrible? Did they get papadragon-ed?
Especially atlascub was one of the few reasons to visit this board. Even sometimes based schizo (((flaming python))) has become quiter. A flip-flopper as he is, at least he was able to think for himself and get to new insights on his own. Now it's just non stop regurgitated BS from pro bono Kremlin mouthpieces
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sepheronx wrote:... I'm genuinely curious and will ask this question to all western based, backed or pro western members here - Mr.hd, rtm, etc. - do you guys really believe what is being said or written to you? ....
I mean, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice?
Well, I myself have not believed more than a third, but looks like I should go down to less than 10%. Thanks to this great forum and Telegram channels I can also get another view to the events in Ukraine. Finnish media has gone totally to the propaganda mode.
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Some system used to jam "ukrainian" TV and show russian made programms instead.
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Western "experts" after seeing the next pic
Must be deep fake. We all know that Shoigu had at least 8 heart attacks and 7 strokes while Gerassimov was at least killed once in Izyum.
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klahtinen wrote:Finnish newspapers are writing that Russia is about to be greatly defeated in Kharkov region because of a very clever Ukrainian counter-attack. Is there any truth in that?
Your newspapers are lazy and slow.
The war was already won.
Twice.
The second Ukrainian Twitter Front paraded in Moscow.
First Galychyna Facebook Division surrounded the last stand of Putin at Vladivostok.
Hole wrote:
Must be deep fake. We all know that Shoigu had at least 8 heart attacks and 7 strokes while Gerassimov was at least killed once in Izyum.
Those are doublers.
That is why mighty Ukraine can kill them several times each.
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Hole wrote:
Western "experts" after seeing the next pic
Must be deep fake. We all know that Shoigu had at least 8 heart attacks and 7 strokes while Gerassimov was at least killed once in Izyum.
I thought the Ukes had decapitated the entire Russian military and that Shoigu was planning a coup. One hears all sorts of bull in the American press, and any more I just laugh.
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Nice summary from Geroman
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That's clearly a photoshop made by Putin in his bunker in the Urals. 
Gerasimov was said to have lost his legs.
Gerasimov was said to have lost his legs.
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Peskov denied reports that Putin will order a mass mobilization on 9 May. There will be no mobilization in Russia.
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