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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:01 pm

    TASS; Military operation in Ukraine
    27 Apr, 12:22 (Updated 12:54)

    The President of Bulgaria opposed the provision of military assistance to Ukraine

    Rumen Radev said that this would mean a step towards bringing Bulgaria into the conflict


    SOFIA, 27 April. /TASS/. Bulgarian President Rumen Radev, answering journalists' questions on Wednesday, spoke out categorically against providing military assistance to Ukraine.
    “There is a categorical no to the provision of military assistance to Ukraine. This would mean a step towards drawing Bulgaria into this conflict. Unfortunately, we see that calls for peace, for an early end to the conflict are gradually fading, and they are being replaced by militant rhetoric, calls for victory. But it is necessary to understand what the word "victory" means, if it means the self-destruction and economic liquidation of Europe, then I do not think that our countries should move in this direction," Radev said.

    "Bulgaria should be part of the effort to bring peace and end the conflict. Prolonging the conflict would be detrimental in many ways," Radev added.

    The President of Bulgaria also expressed doubts about the need for a government delegation headed by Prime Minister Kiril Petkov to visit Kyiv on Thursday. "The sovereign Bulgarian position is being formed in Sofia, there is no need for such a trip," he said.

    https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/14491951

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:09 pm

    That's kind of ridiculous as Bulgarian-sourced ammunition and weaponry is everywhere in VSU hands, and have been since 2014. Though I guess it's "inofficial", as in the Bulgarian state lets the CIA do the gun running through various shell companies there but the Bulgarian state pretends not to be involved.

    Same goes for Syria etc. BG has been one of the main providers for the "moderate rebels", because BG is one of the few NATO countries that still actively produces a lot of weapons that can be put to immediate use by fighters familiar with Soviet-era stuff.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:10 pm

    Croatia also apparently blocked Finnish and Swedish accession to NATO until issues in the Balkans are solved.
    I was kind of expecting something like this from Croatia though, their president earlier refused to blame Russia for the war.
    They don't want to be dragged into anything.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:14 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:That's kind of ridiculous as Bulgarian-sourced ammunition and weaponry is everywhere in VSU hands, and have been since 2014. Though I guess it's "inofficial", as in the Bulgarian state lets the CIA do the gun running through various shell companies there but the Bulgarian state pretends not to be involved.

    Same goes for Syria etc. BG has been one of the main providers for the "moderate rebels", because BG is one of the few NATO countries that still actively produces a lot of weapons that can be put to immediate use by fighters familiar with Soviet-era stuff.

    Ultimately if the CIA wants to buy new Bulgarian production then it's just another customer, and Bulgaria doesn't have to care where it ends up; Syria, the Ukraine, or whatever.
    The good news is that Bulgarian ammo is notoriously crap - the DNR forces were complaining that 2/5ths of the Bulgarian 40mm grenades they seized don't explode

    But I take the Bulgarian statement as taking to mean that they don't want to send anything from their own actual reserves and stored equipment like other countries have done. Bulgaria has a good amount of older Soviet-era vehicles, so this is good news.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:17 pm

    Seems like 10 EU countries opened accounts in Russian banks to pay for energy in rubles. Ruble now trading at a 12 month high.

    Yeah, there's an economy thread, but still.

    edit: I missed that it was already mentioned on the previous page, my bad.


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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:17 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Croatia also apparently blocked Finnish and Swedish accession to NATO until issues in the Balkans are solved.
    I was kind of expecting something like this from Croatia though, their president earlier refused to blame Russia for the war.
    They don't want to be dragged into anything.

    Croatians ? Don't trust them at all! Here is what our most prominent Field Marshal Mišić said about them more than 100 years ago in his address to the king;

    "- From everything I heard and saw, I deeply regretted that we were deceived by the power of God with some idea of ​​brotherhood and community… They all think alike, it's a world unto itself, no matter what suggestion you come up with… … ..
    Nothing can be bothered with, nothing that would be offered to her.
    I'm clear with that. Two things are inevitable for us: to completely secede from them, give them a state, independent self-government, so let them break their heads as they know how, and the second is, first of all, to establish a military administration in the country in twenty years. and economic growth, far from all political influences. If they can't do that, then secede, give them their state.

    Borders will be where we draw them, and we will draw them not where our ambitions come to the surface, but where history and ethnography say; where he says the language and customs, tradition and finally where the people themselves choose of their own free will, so it will be right and dear to God.

    And the Italians? Good luck to them. Let them make the Croats happy. I am deeply convinced that we will not be happy with them (with Croats) ... These people are all detachments, transparent as hours, insatiable and so false and hypocritical that I doubt that there are bigger scoundrels, deceived and selfish people on the globe.
    Do not forget Your Majesty, my words. If you don't do this, I'm sure you'll regret it."


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    Post  SolidarityWithRussia Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:21 pm

    Before Zelensky's "great" offensive Borrell said this war can only be solved on the battlefield.
    After this great offensive Borrell starts thinking about rebuilding relations with Russia again.

    Looks like the war is going very well for them. Suspect

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    Post  Firebird Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:27 pm

    Does anybody know (without revealing sensitive information) what is the maximum forces Russia could muster in the West/Ukraine if push came to shove? I mean very short term eg a week or 3, medium term eg a month or two and longer term say... 3 to 6 months.

    I mean "reasonable forces". Also non-rotatable forces eg for a "final push".
    And also if they said right "If Japan try for the Kurils we will literally nuke them rather than respond conventionally".

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:39 pm

    🇷🇺🇺🇦🇺🇸⚡As a result of a long negotiation process, on April 27, Trevor Reed, sentenced to 9 years for attacking Russian policemen, was exchanged for pilot Konstantin Yaroshenko

    Absolutely awesome

    Hopefully Russia can exchange those two useless British mercs for two more pilots as well

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    Post  Hole Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:49 pm

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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:54 pm

    flamming_python wrote:🇷🇺🇺🇦🇺🇸⚡As a result of a long negotiation process, on April 27, Trevor Reed, sentenced to 9 years for attacking Russian policemen, was exchanged for pilot Konstantin Yaroshenko

    Absolutely awesome

    Hopefully Russia can exchange those two useless British mercs for two more pilots as well

    Send him back castrated, missing his fingers and shot in the knees.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:03 pm

    As for all those who are fighting for Zelensky, I have only one answer.

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    Post  kvs Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:07 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:That ammunition depot they talk about, "near Staraya Nelidovka" - where the hell is that? Can't see anything on a map that resembles one. There's an old poultry farm there, but that's it.

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:

    Still can't for the life of me figure out where that supposed ammunitions depot is located. Local authorities say the fire was put out rather quickly. Can't be a large depot, then.

    Well, after digging through loads of local new pages and local social media, I think I've geolocated the "ammunition depot"

    https://i.imgur.com/M6oBCWH.jpg

    It is indeed that old abandoned farm (milk farm, not poultry), at approx 50.454949,36.493143.

    It was for sale a couple of years ago.

    Here is a drone video over it:
    https://disk.yandex.ru/i/US7F8qpepFl6dQ

    So, has it been repurposed somehow, or what? Can't find any references to it having been purchased by the RU MoD or so. And why would they, they have plenty of purpose built ditto.

    Just seems very odd to me.

    edit: It is still for sale, apparently. What gives?

    It is likely a temporary arms depot and not a long term storage facility.

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    Post  Ispan Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:10 pm

    Reports from the last couple days. compiled an edited. I am at work so I can't post the maps, but I will add them later

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/04/27/noticias-de-la-guerra-27-04-22-informe-especial/

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:10 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:That's kind of ridiculous as Bulgarian-sourced ammunition and weaponry is everywhere in VSU hands, and have been since 2014. Though I guess it's "inofficial", as in the Bulgarian state lets the CIA do the gun running through various shell companies there but the Bulgarian state pretends not to be involved.

    Same goes for Syria etc. BG has been one of the main providers for the "moderate rebels", because BG is one of the few NATO countries that still actively produces a lot of weapons that can be put to immediate use by fighters familiar with Soviet-era stuff.

    Bulgaria is a known CIA laundry money mole for years. ISIS was armed there either. It does not mean any political position, they would sell own mothers if paid.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:11 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:🇷🇺🇺🇦🇺🇸⚡As a result of a long negotiation process, on April 27, Trevor Reed, sentenced to 9 years for attacking Russian policemen, was exchanged for pilot Konstantin Yaroshenko

    Absolutely awesome

    Hopefully Russia can exchange those two useless British mercs for two more pilots as well

    Send him back castrated, missing his fingers and shot in the knees.

    Why?

    You can't blame a shark for eating people in the water. Or any other animal. But if you consider yourself a human being you have to hold to certain standards

    Besides, we need our pilots back sound and intact as well.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:14 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:That's kind of ridiculous as Bulgarian-sourced ammunition and weaponry is everywhere in VSU hands, and have been since 2014. Though I guess it's "inofficial", as in the Bulgarian state lets the CIA do the gun running through various shell companies there but the Bulgarian state pretends not to be involved.

    Same goes for Syria etc. BG has been one of the main providers for the "moderate rebels", because BG is one of the few NATO countries that still actively produces a lot of weapons that can be put to immediate use by fighters familiar with Soviet-era stuff.

    Bulgaria is a known CIA laundry money mole for years. ISIS was armed there either. It does not mean any political position, they would sell own mothers if paid.

    Sure

    But it's an indication that they're beginning to think about their own ass, rather than being used as more cannon fodder by the Anglo-American bloc

    And that means others are as well
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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:17 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    ucmvulcan wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:🇷🇺🇺🇦🇺🇸⚡As a result of a long negotiation process, on April 27, Trevor Reed, sentenced to 9 years for attacking Russian policemen, was exchanged for pilot Konstantin Yaroshenko

    Absolutely awesome

    Hopefully Russia can exchange those two useless British mercs for two more pilots as well

    Send him back castrated, missing his fingers and shot in the knees.

    Why?

    You can't blame a shark for eating people in the water. Or any other animal. But if you consider yourself a human being you have to hold to certain standards

    Besides, we need our pilots back sound and intact as well.

    Because the West is the one pulling the strings in Ukraine and they have to learn what Ukraine does to its prisoners has consequences

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    Post  Serberus Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:21 pm

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/45436

    Wehrmacht getting pounded in Maryinka

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    Post  Werewolf Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:22 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Erk wrote:
    mnztr wrote:At this point shouldn't leadership of Ukraine become targets? Zelensky is an impediment at this point and at least the minsters around him should be targets...I mean...this is a war right?

    Putin needs Zelensky to sign the surrender documents, else the rest of Westworld, that have built up Zelensky, wont see the surrender as legitimate. Trouble is, if Zelensky signs a surrender, the neo-Nazi's will kill him.

    Zelensky will be in Poland long before any of that. There will be no-one to sign any documents.

    But with the president out of Kiev, the seat of power is also vacant. Russia can simply pretend that he still matters while in reality taking over all the apparatus of the state.

    I don't know what and who you are but you were crying about legality and morality of Operation Z and now you suggest logical, pragmatical and methods of the west Laughing Laughing

    Maybe you have a shizophrenic mind or maybe you are just as opportunistic as our enemies.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:25 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Erk wrote:
    mnztr wrote:At this point shouldn't leadership of Ukraine become targets? Zelensky is an impediment at this point and at least the minsters around him should be targets...I mean...this is a war right?

    Putin needs Zelensky to sign the surrender documents, else the rest of Westworld, that have built up Zelensky, wont see the surrender as legitimate. Trouble is, if Zelensky signs a surrender, the neo-Nazi's will kill him.

    Zelensky will be in Poland long before any of that. There will be no-one to sign any documents.

    But with the president out of Kiev, the seat of power is also vacant. Russia can simply pretend that he still matters while in reality taking over all the apparatus of the state.

    I don't know what and who you are but you were crying about legality and morality of Operation Z and now you suggest logical, pragmatical and methods of the west Laughing Laughing

    Maybe you have a shizophrenic mind or maybe you are just as opportunistic as our enemies.

    No I'm saying what will happen and given that there is only one option

    And this is the only way to end the war, practically speaking. That or the Ukraine and its army of mercs taking over the apparatus of the state in Moscow instead.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:28 pm

    Yaroshenko is not a military pilot

    Yaroshenko was arrested by Americans years ago for "weapons and drug smuggling"

    He was our agent and his exchange with Reed has nothing to do with the exchange of warfighters

    This has to do with the US policy of kidnapping and arresting Russians before the war in Ukraine

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:30 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:Because the West is the one pulling the strings in Ukraine and they have to learn what Ukraine does to its prisoners has consequences

    That will only escalate the cycle of barbarism. Which is what the Ukraine desperately wants, Russians to fit into its Goebells propaganda cliches.

    In past ages this was inevitable, maybe even an effective method of war

    These days with everything in the media spotlight, they who do these things are the ones who will start to lose support and sympathy

    They want to dig themselves holes, let them. It will just motivate our guys not to surrender at any cost. Better to prime a grenade if you're surrounded.

    While our forces want them to all surrender without any desperate last-stands, the mercs as well, because it will mean more destruction and more of our own lives lost. Hence, no torture.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:31 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Yaroshenko is not a military pilot

    Yaroshenko was arrested by Americans years ago for "weapons and drug smuggling"

    He was our agent and his exchange with Reed has nothing to do with the exchange of warfighters

    This has to do with the US policy of kidnapping and arresting Russians before the war in Ukraine

    Well that's a shame then
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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:34 pm

    The only good thing that comes from Ukraine .... I have to capture them ..

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