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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Apr 27, 2022 1:52 am

    kvs wrote:
    SolidarityWithRussia wrote:Someone who claims that Azov is not a Nazi battalion has sent me a link that supposedly proofs that.
    https://www.stopfake.org/uk/stara-pisnya-mizhnarodni-zmi-znov-zgaduyut-stari-fejki-pro-bataljon-azov-ta-neonatsizm-v-ukrayini/
    Although I do not trust that person, I wonder what to reply to him.

    Extolling of Stepan Bandera is the only evidence that is needed.   And Azov is not the only ones doing it.   Every so-called moderate
    Ukr politician, academic and mass media member does this.  


    Thats the penultimate argument. Would anyone accept the premise that a German far-right member is not a Nazi if he openly extolls the virtues of the Nazi Party and argues that Hitler is unfairly condemned by historians and popular culture?

    No, of course they wouldn't. Same applies to the Banderites.

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    Post  Hinex1988 Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:00 am

    🇷🇺🇺🇦Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

    💥During the day, high-precision air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit 32 military assets of Ukraine.

    ▫Among them: 20 areas of manpower and Ukrainian military equipment concentration, 4 missile and artillery weapons depots near Slavyansk and Druzhkovka in the Donetsk People's Republic, the command and control post of the 105th Territorial Defence Battalion, and 2 artillery batteries.

    ✈💥Operational-tactical and army aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit 33 Ukrainian military facilities.

    ▫Among them: 23 areas of enemy's manpower and military equipment concentration.

    ▫Up to 200 nationalists, as well as more than 40 armoured vehicles, artillery mounts and cars, were destroyed.

    ▫1 Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile system near Slavyansk and 3 ammunition and fuel depots near Volnoe Pole and Chervonnoe were also destroyed.

    💥Missile troops and artillery carried out 100 firing missions during the day.

    ▫5 command posts Ukrainian troops, 81 areas of enemy's manpower and military equipment concentration, and 8 artillery batteries were hit.

    ▫2 multiple rocket launchers near Berezovka and 1 Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile system near Komar were destroyed.

    💥Russian air defence means shot down 6 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Brazhkovka, Kolesnikovka, Komissarovka, Kozinka, Lozovaya and Lenina.

    📊In total, 141 aircraft and 110 helicopters, 589 unmanned aerial vehicles, 272 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,588 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 292 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,124 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,403 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

    #MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
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    Post  mnztr Wed Apr 27, 2022 3:12 am

    Man pretty slow day. Running out of targets or ammo?


    Hinex1988 wrote:🇷🇺🇺🇦Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

    💥During the day, high-precision air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit 32 military assets of Ukraine.

    ▫Among them: 20 areas of manpower and Ukrainian military equipment concentration, 4 missile and artillery weapons depots near Slavyansk and Druzhkovka in the Donetsk People's Republic, the command and control post of the 105th Territorial Defence Battalion, and 2 artillery batteries.

    ✈💥Operational-tactical and army aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit 33 Ukrainian military facilities.

    ▫Among them: 23 areas of enemy's manpower and military equipment concentration.

    ▫Up to 200 nationalists, as well as more than 40 armoured vehicles, artillery mounts and cars, were destroyed.

    ▫1 Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile system near Slavyansk and 3 ammunition and fuel depots near Volnoe Pole and Chervonnoe were also destroyed.

    💥Missile troops and artillery carried out 100 firing missions during the day.

    ▫5 command posts Ukrainian troops, 81 areas of enemy's manpower and military equipment concentration, and 8 artillery batteries were hit.

    ▫2 multiple rocket launchers near Berezovka and 1 Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile system near Komar were destroyed.

    💥Russian air defence means shot down 6 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Brazhkovka, Kolesnikovka, Komissarovka, Kozinka, Lozovaya and Lenina.

    📊In total, 141 aircraft and 110 helicopters, 589 unmanned aerial vehicles, 272 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,588 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 292 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,124 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,403 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

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    Post  par far Wed Apr 27, 2022 4:17 am

    A ammo depot in the Belgorod region caught fire.


    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/45349

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Apr 27, 2022 4:25 am

    par far wrote:A ammo depot in the Belgorod region caught fire.
    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/45349

    Okay seriously, who the f*ck is in charge of security in that region?

    I mean none of this will even make a dent overall but some people are getting paycheck for nothing here

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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Apr 27, 2022 4:26 am

    par far wrote:A ammo depot in the Belgorod region caught fire.


    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/45349

    There was AA activity and explosions reported there and in Kursk region, as well.
    Ammunition depot that was hit in Belgorod region is, relatively, close to the border, so maybe some long range arty systems
    or Tochka is to blame.

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    Post  zorobabel Wed Apr 27, 2022 4:29 am

    More attacks on Belgorod. Russian leadership is wearing clown shoes, lol. They have threatened for a month that any attack on Russian soil would result in an attack on leadership structures in Kiev. Nothing has happened. No one is scared of attacking Russia now.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed Apr 27, 2022 4:30 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    par far wrote:A ammo depot in the Belgorod region caught fire.


    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/45349

    There was AA activity and explosions reported there and in Kursk region, as well.
    Ammunition depot that was hit in Belgorod region is, relatively, close to the border, so maybe some long range arty systems
    or Tochka is to blame.

    Which is one of many reasons I would never have quit northeast Ukraine. Kiev? Sure, you can tie down forces from Belarus, but northeast Ukraine leaves lots of Russian territory open to nuisance raids, sabotage, shelling, and drone strikes.

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    Post  calripson Wed Apr 27, 2022 4:31 am

    mnztr wrote:Man pretty slow day. Running out of targets or ammo?


    Hinex1988 wrote:🇷🇺🇺🇦Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

    💥During the day, high-precision air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit 32 military assets of Ukraine.

    ▫Among them: 20 areas of manpower and Ukrainian military equipment concentration, 4 missile and artillery weapons depots near Slavyansk and Druzhkovka in the Donetsk People's Republic, the command and control post of the 105th Territorial Defence Battalion, and 2 artillery batteries.

    ✈💥Operational-tactical and army aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit 33 Ukrainian military facilities.

    ▫Among them: 23 areas of enemy's manpower and military equipment concentration.

    ▫Up to 200 nationalists, as well as more than 40 armoured vehicles, artillery mounts and cars, were destroyed.

    ▫1 Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile system near Slavyansk and 3 ammunition and fuel depots near Volnoe Pole and Chervonnoe were also destroyed.

    💥Missile troops and artillery carried out 100 firing missions during the day.

    ▫5 command posts Ukrainian troops, 81 areas of enemy's manpower and military equipment concentration, and 8 artillery batteries were hit.

    ▫2 multiple rocket launchers near Berezovka and 1 Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile system near Komar were destroyed.

    💥Russian air defence means shot down 6 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Brazhkovka, Kolesnikovka, Komissarovka, Kozinka, Lozovaya and Lenina.

    📊In total, 141 aircraft and 110 helicopters, 589 unmanned aerial vehicles, 272 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,588 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 292 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,124 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,403 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Apr 27, 2022 4:34 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote:
    par far wrote:A ammo depot in the Belgorod region caught fire.


    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/45349

    There was AA activity and explosions reported there and in Kursk region, as well.
    Ammunition depot that was hit in Belgorod region is, relatively, close to the border, so maybe some long range arty systems
    or Tochka is to blame.

    Which is one of many reasons I would never have quit northeast Ukraine.  Kiev? Sure, you can tie down forces from Belarus, but northeast Ukraine leaves lots of Russian territory open to nuisance raids, sabotage, shelling, and drone strikes.

    I still don't get how the **** did they let Bryansk drone attack to happen? That's like over 100 km from the border.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Apr 27, 2022 4:42 am

    These are people with sympathy for Ukraine

    And who are Ukrainians themselves

    This is a big problem with those sabotage groups that national guard cannot control

    The withdrawal from Sumy and Chernigov was wrong

    The drones taking off from Sumy is different from taking off from Kiev

    Were going to end up returning there, and it's going to be the same shit anyway

    So why did they leave?

    Donbass? They're moving slow through there too

    So wtf?

    If troops outran their supplies then strelkov is right

    You can't invade Ukraine with less than 100,000 men

    It's ridiculous
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Apr 27, 2022 4:44 am

    It's all insignificant, this arms depot and the 2 fuel depots they got on fire yesterday

    Russian forces meanwhile seem to be taking out a lot more equipment, ammo and fuel every day

    You guys just have to get used to the fact that there's a war on, and the enemy can and will strike back; they would be stupid not to attempt to do so. If you remove the psychological/prestige/whatever effect, that the West is obsessed about in regards to Russia, then the actual damage is of no consequence. The main thing is the preservation of manpower; fuel and ammo Russia can produce plenty of.

    As for withdrawing forces from Chenigov, Sumy - well if it allows them to be concentrated and used to greater effect in surrounding/capitulating the Donbass grouping quicker - then it's worth it. Or would you prefer to pull those troops back out just to stop the ammo and fuel fires?

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    Post  sepheronx Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:00 am

    flamming_python wrote:It's all insignificant, this arms depot and the 2 fuel depots they got on fire yesterday

    Russian forces meanwhile seem to be taking out a lot more equipment, ammo and fuel every day

    You guys just have to get used to the fact that there's a war on, and the enemy can and will strike back; they would be stupid not to attempt to do so. If you remove the psychological/prestige/whatever effect, that the West is obsessed about in regards to Russia, then the actual damage is of no consequence. The main thing is the preservation of manpower; fuel and ammo Russia can produce plenty of.

    As for withdrawing forces from Chenigov, Sumy - well if it allows them to be concentrated and used to greater effect in surrounding/capitulating the Donbass grouping quicker - then it's worth it. Or would you prefer to pull those troops back out just to stop the ammo and fuel fires?

    They surround the areas and create Cauldrons which require a lot of troops. I agree that the number of troops assigned to this is a tad low but they are doing it without mobilization. I really do think some people here watch far too much Hollywood action movies and or a video game of some sort in what they consider is a proper way to engage in a war. I am seeing quite the moves that nobody does because everyone else just tries their best to level a country before they send troops in, while Russia is engaging a bit differently, not trying to destroy the country.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:09 am

    Some drone was shot down over Bryansk, possibly one in the Kursk region too.

    That ammunition depot they talk about, "near Staraya Nelidovka" - where the hell is that? Can't see anything on a map that resembles one. There's an old poultry farm there, but that's it.

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    Post  Regular Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:15 am

    So hypothetically speaking, what will change if Russia will declare war on Ukraine? By all means, for most Ukrainians, it's already fight for survival

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:28 am

    Regular wrote:So hypothetically speaking, what will change if Russia will declare war on Ukraine? By all means, for most Ukrainians, it's already fight for survival

    What survival?

    If they want to survive then fighting the Russian army is what they shouldn't try to do.

    Otherwise no-one is threatening their homes, families or whatever. Their biggest problems are going to be food supplies, medicines, fuel; and the money to buy it - and then eventually power as w/o a functioning railway network to haul coal and disrupted gas supplies, their power plants will start to go down. There will be more marauders, looters, gangs, criminality. Admittedly it's quite a survival challenge, but it doesn't come from Russian soldiers and artillery.

    What will change is no more gas/oil transit, but that looks to be stopping anyway. Maybe just some to Hungary still.


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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:30 am

    flamming_python wrote:It's all insignificant, this arms depot and the 2 fuel depots they got on fire yesterday

    Russian forces meanwhile seem to be taking out a lot more equipment, ammo and fuel every day

    You guys just have to get used to the fact that there's a war on, and the enemy can and will strike back; they would be stupid not to attempt to do so. If you remove the psychological/prestige/whatever effect, that the West is obsessed about in regards to Russia, then the actual damage is of no consequence. The main thing is the preservation of manpower; fuel and ammo Russia can produce plenty of.

    As for withdrawing forces from Chenigov, Sumy - well if it allows them to be concentrated and used to greater effect in surrounding/capitulating the Donbass grouping quicker - then it's worth it. Or would you prefer to pull those troops back out just to stop the ammo and fuel fires?
    They can call up some reserves and beef up security in border regions, around military and important civilian objects. Relocate some AA systems from more distant regions to ones closer to the border. We shouldn't have another Bryansk.
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:33 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:It's all insignificant, this arms depot and the 2 fuel depots they got on fire yesterday

    Russian forces meanwhile seem to be taking out a lot more equipment, ammo and fuel every day

    You guys just have to get used to the fact that there's a war on, and the enemy can and will strike back; they would be stupid not to attempt to do so. If you remove the psychological/prestige/whatever effect, that the West is obsessed about in regards to Russia, then the actual damage is of no consequence. The main thing is the preservation of manpower; fuel and ammo Russia can produce plenty of.

    As for withdrawing forces from Chenigov, Sumy - well if it allows them to be concentrated and used to greater effect in surrounding/capitulating the Donbass grouping quicker - then it's worth it. Or would you prefer to pull those troops back out just to stop the ammo and fuel fires?
    They can call up some reserves and beef up security in border regions, around military and important civilian objects. Relocate some AA systems from more distant regions to ones closer to the border. We shouldn't have another Bryansk.

    They can and I hope they will but we have the whole of NATO looking for more weakspots in the hope of carrying out more Dolittle raids, that do little but demoralize. Because that's all they can do. And they will find them. It's going to be a constant battle. And you just have to accept that there will be more attacks, they may even damage something significant like a factory. There will be sabotage attempts around the country in general, arson and so on.

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    Post  Regular Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:44 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Regular wrote:So hypothetically speaking, what will change if Russia will declare war on Ukraine? By all means, for most Ukrainians, it's already fight for survival

    What survival?


    Well, this is what their propaganda is saying (shamelessly copying Soviet WW2 posters and turning them into Ukrainian ones)
    To be honest, it wasn't clear at the start if Ukraine will exist.

    What they believe - is that all of Ukraine will be like Mariupol and survivors will be deported and etc... According to them, 500k+ people were already sent to the far east. They believe this shit wholeheartedly.
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:02 am

    Regular wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Regular wrote:So hypothetically speaking, what will change if Russia will declare war on Ukraine? By all means, for most Ukrainians, it's already fight for survival

    What survival?


    Well, this is what their propaganda is saying (shamelessly copying Soviet WW2 posters and turning them into Ukrainian ones)
    To be honest, it wasn't clear at the start if Ukraine will exist.

    What they believe - is that all of Ukraine will be like Mariupol and survivors will be deported and etc... According to them, 500k+ people were already sent to the far east. They believe this shit wholeheartedly.

    No alternative but to

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    (someone needs to turn that into a Kalibr poster)

    And hope they eventually come to their senses, when they realize who is being hit and who isn't.

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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:11 am

    Something was shot down (most likely drone) above Voronezh. That's pretty far from the border. They really need to bring more equipment. I get it that these attacks are pointless. But, letting drones get this deep in the territory of Russia makes for dangerous precedents.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:16 am

    caveat emptor wrote:Something was shot down (most likely drone) above Voronezh. That's pretty far from the border. They really need to bring more equipment. I get it that hese attacks are pointless. But, letting drones get this deep in the territory of Russia makes for dangerous precedents.

    When the Donbass is done the Russian military will be able to move north and set up a sanitation zone

    It's also important to get some EW involved, jam those remote-controlled transmissions or hijack them.

    Some cheaper anti-aircraft missiles, 57mm AA guns with radar near every sensitive site. Anti-drone drones.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:17 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:These gaz shutoff will affect all Europe, this is a message to the EU , because if the gas stops pumping through Poland and Bulgaria it has effectively stopped to all Europe

    Not at all.
    Nord Stream and Turk Stream are working as usual.
    Yamal was a dead-end in Poland for quite a long, as Gazprom has not booked any transfer for months.

    flamming_python wrote:
    At the moment any Moldovan/Romanian involvement is still largely hearsay. It's more likely the Ukrainians will come alone.

    This chic posing a president looks terrified if you are asking me.
    Like feeling that someone is mounting a fiesta she is not intending to participate with.
    I still don't believe Ukros to be in a position to mount an operation against almost 20k defending forces, but as those warehouses are 2 km from the border, it might be some attempt to catch it.


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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:27 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote:Something was shot down (most likely drone) above Voronezh. That's pretty far from the border. They really need to bring more equipment. I get it that hese attacks are pointless. But, letting drones get this deep in the territory of Russia makes for dangerous precedents.

    When the Donbass is done the Russian military will be able to move north and set up a sanitation zone

    It's also important to get some EW involved, jam those remote-controlled transmissions or hijack them.

    Some cheaper anti-aircraft missiles, 57mm AA guns with radar near every sensitive site. Anti-drone drones.

    They should be able to bring some systems from Central Military District. It will be a good exercise in real war conditions for those troops.
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    Post  ALAMO Wed Apr 27, 2022 6:31 am

    They should ask Iranians how is their strategy for drones.
    As they have played with that long before it started to be fancy, I suppose that antidrone warfare is a part of the game as well.
    This 100 mm cannons are very nice, if you ask me Laughing
    Imagine how the modern antiair ammo of that caliber can be arranged. It can be a bloody sniper weapon against drones, and the range of that makes all o them useless, well beyond strike envelope.

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