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    Post  flamming_python Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:08 pm

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/44658

    🇱🇹🇺🇦Lithuanian Povilas Limontas joined the International Legion in early March. The former bartender lasted about a month and returned to Lithuania on April 7th.

    He did not name the reason for the return, but judging by an interview with TIME magazine, constant exposure to shelling and a rare dream did not suit him. In preparation for the battle, Limontas, who served in the army, only tried to shoot at targets with an AK-47, after which he was sent on missions. Here is how he describes one of them:

    We came as reinforcements and did some shooting, but after a while we had to run, because one thing I learned in Lithuania is that if you are shooting with the Russians, you only have 10 minutes before they send artillery. The fight lasted five or ten minutes, but in my head it was like five seconds.

    After returning to his homeland, the already former mercenary set out to appear in the media more often and remind people of donations for the army.


    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/2759

    First Lt. Ivan Skuratovsky, serving in Ukraine's 25th Airborne Brigade: “the situation is very bad, [Russians] simply destroy everything with artillery, shelling day and night." -Politico

    Time for these fellas to give up really. No glory to be had in being taken out by a 152mm shell that you don't even hear or see coming

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    Post  Isos Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:08 pm

    Israel is quite friendly toward Russia during this crisis IMO.

    Those guys are probably just paid private contractors and don't give a **** about who they are fighting. Thry will get destroyed like the rest who went there to fight russians.

    Plenty of equipement to be captured.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:11 pm

    For the records, forensic examinations of those killed in Bucha revealed, that they were killed in an artillery strike.
    Inside bodies, lots of flechettes were found, pointing a 122 mm systems.
    So says The Guardian, citing one of the forensic medics in charge there.
    Russkies didn't use any 122 mm artillery system on that direction, and I suppose hardly any at all.
    But tons of them were revealed at destroyed Ukr artillery positions back in 2014 already.
    D-30 howitzers are owned by the 4th National Guard Brigade of the Ukro armed forces, which was fighting on the Bucha, Gostomel, and Irpin directions, while the Russian VDV units in the area had 120 mm Nona systems.
    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/44958

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:12 pm

    A T-90M with Nakidka near Kharkov somewhere
    https://t.me/intelslava/26734

    Ain't this the Nakidka our friend RTN was ranting Russia for having but not using against the miiiightyyyy Javelin?  What a Face
    Or am I mixing someone up here?

    Well maybe they have a reason to reduce the tank's thermal signature anyway. Or they just want to try the Nakidka out.


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    Post  ATLASCUB Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:12 pm

    Have you read American history? Of the early German migrations and colonies?

    Do you know the ethic make up of the anglo-saxons that make up the ethnic majority of the U.S/Britain?

    Why would anyone reasonably expect that these people would have a worse opinion of their own extended kin than of "dirty Slavs".

    Have you ever been close to a prison? Stopped for a moment to analyze human behavior? How humans default to basic tribalism amongst race, ethnicity and beyond?
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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:13 pm

    ALAMO wrote:For the records, forensic examinations of those killed in Bucha revealed, that they were killed in an artillery strike.
    Inside bodies, lots of flechettes were found, pointing a 122 mm systems.
    So says The Guardian, citing one of the forensic medics in charge there.
    Russkies didn't use any 122 mm artillery system on that direction, and I suppose hardly any at all.
    But tons of them were revealed at destroyed Ukr artillery positions back in 2014 already.
    D-30 howitzers are owned by the 4th National Guard Brigade of the Ukro armed forces, which was fighting on the Bucha, Gostomel, and Irpin directions, while the Russian VDV units in the area had 120 mm Nona systems.  
    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/44958

    Exactly as I said last night.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:20 pm

    Oh I have missed that! welcome
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    Post  Isos Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:21 pm

    Another failed coup by the US. Their puppet again is out of countrol and stabbing them in the back. It happened faster than ever before, the guy is ruling the country for like 2 days.


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    The new prime minister of Pakistan sent a letter to Putin, in which he stated Islamabad's desire to strengthen bilateral ties, media reported, citing sources

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    Post  Isos Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:23 pm

    Ouch !! Some more damage to the west. This thing should cost nothing since France destroyed it. A big deal for Chiba which will sell its cars in Russia. European car producers will loose all the market.


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    Post  kvs Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:32 pm

    sepheronx wrote:People make a bigger deal about the civilian oil depot, which isn't entire oil depot, than Russia strikes in Ukraine. Doesn't make much sense to me but oh well.

    US won't restore anything in Kiev but guarantee it will be lviv instead as they know they can be hit at any time.

    There is rampant inanity over this war. After the purge of Youtube from non-conforming content their algorithm dredges up all sorts
    of retarded crap videos. So many armchair generals and military "experts" that conclude Russia "lost Kiev" and assorted other
    crap that kills brain cells on exposure.

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    Post  ludovicense Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:34 pm

    Isos wrote:Another failed coup by the US. Their puppet again is out of countrol and stabbing them in the back. It happened faster than ever before, the guy is ruling the country for like 2 days.


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    The new prime minister of Pakistan sent a letter to Putin, in which he stated Islamabad's desire to strengthen bilateral ties, media reported, citing sources

    But it's complicated for a country like Pakistan to be openly aligned with the US.

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    Post  Firebird Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:41 pm

    kvs wrote:We covered this topic on other threads.   There is a historic resentment against Russia over the Pale of Settlement and the pogroms
    in places like Odessa.    In the context of European history (before WWII) the grievances against Russia are over-amplified.   For some
    reason the US diaspora is obsessed with it.   They are treating Germans better than Russians.   Stop and think about this insanity.



    I think its just money and power corrupting them.
    The Pale of Settlement at least gave Jews in Europe one of the few places to live without hassle... or massacre.
    Infact, under the Tsars there was a Jewish middle class, below the aristocrats but above the general Russian |"peasantry".
    The Ukrainian nationalists did many pogroms and played a major part in their extermination either as Nazis or as similar groups. ANd ultimately of course Russia paid a gigantic part in ridding the World of fascism and antisemetism etc the first time around. 3x as many Russians murdered as Jews infact.


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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:41 pm

    lancelot wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Ukraine will liberate Kherson, Zaporizhzhya regions, Donbass and Crimea from Russian troops.
    That list of Oblasts keeps growing. I think eventually these guys will end up like the Polish government in exile. Or at best like Taiwan who still claims Mongolia as part of the ROC.
    Zelensky might well end up leading a "regime in exile" like the Syrian National Congress based in Turkey. Remember them? No, me neither... Twisted Evil

    When was the last time anyone in the West mentioned those feckless losers? Razz It's especially hilarious given that the West openly stated that they no longer recognized the government in Damascus a sthe legitimate Syrian authority and claimed they recognised the SNC. That ridiculous gambit lasted all of about 3 weeks, long enough for the rest of the planet to realise they were a no-hoper bunch of corrupt bought-and-paid-for nobodies with next to zero internal support, and that the true "opposition" where all foreign-backed Wahhabi terror gang nutjobs. When this is all over, Zelensky and his jack-booted brown shirts (brown shorts? Razz ) will be little different...

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:51 pm

    So two TB-2s were shot down in the Kursk region last night, wrecks have been shown. It seems quite likely now that the Bryansk attacks were TB-2s as well, and that they took advantage of Russian laziness at a hitherto quiet part of the "front".

    Russia can't be lazy, and Kiev doesn't give a damn about Peskovs "threats".

    Maybe that will sink in now. They beefed up air defenses in the Rostov and Belgorod regions, as well as Kursk evidently, only after Ukraine probed them. They should have been ready for this from the beginning IMO.


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:51 pm

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    Liberals will parrot their own line because that's the only thing keeping their societies together

    Fighters for globalist Liberalism have no other choice, but to censor, and promote bizarre trends to divide their own societies and make them easy to control

    They don't want Russians or Russian identity , as much as they don't want American identity or French identity

    This is why Macron was elected, to promote Universal identity

    Coincidentally the only 2 states allowed to have identity are Britain and Israel

    Well and pseudo Ukraine because it is the ultimate anti Russian tool

    But the Liberals face a huge contradiction in their own societies,  and that includes brexit britain

    Remember American midterms are coming,  and the labour party in Britain has been rehabilitated

    SVR is not resting on its laurels

    2020 drove them insane, wait until you see what we have planned for them this summer

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    Post  Regular Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:52 pm

    flamming_python wrote:https://t.me/boris_rozhin/44658

    [i]🇱🇹🇺🇦Lithuanian Povilas Limontas joined the International Legion in early March. The former bartender lasted about a month and returned to Lithuania on April 7th.


    Shitty job, 9 months of military training (3 of them doesn't count even), no kids, wife, friends thinks he's crazy for joining, religiously reads Reddit.

    Fit well with "Average freedOOm fightOOr" meme. Wouldn't be surprised if Ukrainian took his gf and his bartenders job

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    Post  Regular Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:56 pm

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    You are Patrick Bateman-insane. Who in the right mind would write this shit? Even if you don't agree with them, just ignore.

    You can join LNR and DNR militia if you want to see blood.

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:So two TB-2s were shot down in the Kursk region last night, wrecks have been shown. It seems quite likely now that the Bryansk attacks were TB-2s as well, and that they took advantage of Russian laziness at a hitherto quiet part of the "front".

    Russia can't be lazy, and Kiev doesn't give a damn about Peskovs "threats".

    Maybe that will sink in now. They beefed up air defenses in the Rostov and Belgorod regions, as well as Kursk evidently, only after Ukraine probed them. They should have been ready for this from the beginning IMO.

    Any pictures of shot down TB-2? How the hell did they manage to go that far?


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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Apr 25, 2022 3:57 pm

    kvs wrote:The oil depot attack did not have to be a missile or a drone.   The background noise of a jet in the video linked upthread could be a regular
    Russian jet.   A diversionary infiltration group could easily plant bombs on the tanks and detonate them at the right time.   The security
    cameras then make "convincing" cases for a missile attack and a big Kiev regime PR win.

    I still believe it was a sabotage. It also makes most sense.

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    Any pictures of shot down TB-2? How the hell did they manage to go that far?

    Far? Kursk region is 25km from Sumy.

    Pics are on TG.

    Bryansk city on the other hand is at the very edge of TB-2s operational range. But seeing how the Ukrainians sacrifice manned aircraft on obvious suicide missions, they could definitely be sending them one-way, almost doubling their "range".

    After all, they're not paying for these things.


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    Post  Stealthflanker Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:08 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:[
    Far? Kursk region is 25km from Sumy.

    Pics are on TG.

    Yeah. Problem is that many people confused Kursk Oblast with City of Kursk itself. They forget the "Oblast" part.

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    Post  Regular Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:15 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:[
    Far? Kursk region is 25km from Sumy.

    Pics are on TG.

    Yeah. Problem is that many people confused Kursk Oblast with City of Kursk itself.  They forget the "Oblast" part.

    Yes, I am idiot and didn't consider Oblast, but then again, if they deployed UAVs from Sumy, Russian Elint should see them and I am talking about control centers, not even drones.
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:20 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
    Bryansk city on the other hand is at the very edge of TB-2s operational range. But seeing how the Ukrainians sacrifice manned aircraft on obvious suicide missions, they could definitely be sending them one-way, almost doubling their "range".

    The range is mostly a function of the communication channel they have.
    "The range" here is misleading, as even with the slowest speed it need to stay airborne, that is approx. 50 knots, makes more than 1200 miles "range". If we consider the cruise speed - it makes 1500 already.
    Bayraktar Ukros operate does not have a SATCOM, the version with it was revealed at the end of 2020 only.
    It can be distinguished by a big bulge on the top of the fuselage.
    I would not consider its operational radius at more than 300-350 km - I mean the Ukr version.
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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:26 pm

    Regular wrote:
    Stealthflanker wrote:
    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:[
    Far? Kursk region is 25km from Sumy.

    Pics are on TG.

    Yeah. Problem is that many people confused Kursk Oblast with City of Kursk itself.  They forget the "Oblast" part.

    Yes, I am idiot and didn't consider Oblast, but then again, if they deployed UAVs from Sumy, Russian Elint should see them and I am talking about control centers, not even drones.

    The control centers could be in Lvov for all we know. A network of rather simple radio relays, or even US satellite relay access does the rest.

    And they can be transported in inconspicuous trucks and use any shitty airfield or reasonably straight stretch of paved road.

    Russia should keep a number of Pantsirs, Tors or whatever on 24/7 alert, with rotating crews, in all larger towns near (borderimg oblast capitals, at least,). Why they haven't is just laziness, and underestimating the Ukrainian zeal, or rather overestimating Ukrainian sensibility.

    The Donbass and the forward formations have had better A/D cover than the bordering Russian territories, until just now.

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    Post  Arrow Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:34 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:

    Any pictures of shot down TB-2? How the hell did they manage to go that far?

    Far? Kursk region is 25km from Sumy.

    Pics are on TG.

    Bryansk city on the other hand is at the very edge of TB-2s operational range. But seeing how the Ukrainians sacrifice manned aircraft on obvious suicide missions, they could definitely be sending them one-way, almost doubling their "range".

    After all, they're not paying for these things.

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