Russian special military operation in Ukraine #13

JohninMK wrote:Israelis fighting for and with the Nazis! You couldn't make this up. There must be a lot of living Jews hating this or dead ones turning in their graves.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1518285061199740934

Because Iraelis today are no different than Nazi-Germans back then. They suite each other. Both believe in supremacy of their "folk" and both "folks" are made up shit. They constantly occupied researches and and institutions who promote the bullshit that jews are their very own ethnicity with own genetics, while they come from different places slavic 1/3rd ex soviets, big junk are from Morocco, latin countries and some from arabic countries let alone the Ethiopian jews.

Man this helo look so vulnerable to a MANPAD

All helicopters are at risk.

Ironically it will be new missiles like ATGMs like Kornet and Bulat and SOSNA that will be the serious threat to western helicopters because they are supersonic but also have no nose mounted sensors to jam or spoof.

Am I correct to assume that Russia has yet to fully commence the operation?

The operation has multiphases... they essentially allowed for the Orc army to collapse and surrender, which would likely have resulted in essentially just the Minsk agreements being fulfilled where Donbass and Lugansk become autonomous regions, but there were too many nazis embedded in their forces and they resisted so the two goals of the first part of the operation were to start to surround the forward deployed Ukrainian forces deep inside Donbass territory but to also send pincer arms towards Odessa and Kiev to hold in place the rest of the Ukrianian armed forces which are huge and could have all moved to the Donbass area and caused problems for the relatively small Russian force.

Once that first phase was implimented they started taking out armoured vehicle parks and fuel and ammo dumps and infrastructure that would allow ukrainian forces to move within their borders... after a significant period when their air defence and navy and air power were reduced to third world levels they then pulled some forces back from Kiev and moved them to the cauldrons near the Donbass to deal with the bulk of the Ukrainians first force, while taking over various towns and areas in the south and organising support and aide for the locals.

Now they are hammering fuel and ammo depots and any mobile Orc forces they spot moving around while increasing pressure on the pockets they have trapped and any forces moving to support them.

They are in no hurry because any rush would lead to more friendly loses for no real benefit... it is the western audience that loses interest fast that needs to be satisfied and when they see energy prices and food prices going up they will wonder why their countries are wasting all this money and effort on Ukraine... a country most westerners probably couldn't find on a map with countries marked with no country labels.

Like I have mentioned before, Kadyrov is not the same kalibr (pun intended) as Putin. He would be far easier to lure into traps to act immediately. Without the proper administration and calm and logical heads like Lavrov he would do worse.

Trump showed how easy it was to turn a weak politician into a puppet... he was elected on promises of more practical (not friendly), but practical relations with Russia so the US can get things done and develop and grow, and to bring US soldiers home from wars they have no business being involved in for the average American... it was the 1% super rich Americans who wanted minerals and mines in Afghanistan and soldiers in Iraq and Syria directing gas from the ME to Turkey and the EU in competition for Russian gas.

He quickly got played and ended up being the worst president in terms of US relations and sanctions... though Obama set up this current war and Bidens son paid for those biolabs and no doubt promoted the nazi shit too.

I agree you need a strong man like Putin to recognise that stuff and not be influenced by anger or tantrums to do your enemies bidding.

Russia now faces a very unpleasant binary choice: capitulation or survival.

The huge irony is that in 2000 it would be an unpleasant choice, but now it is a very easy one...

Look around the world for a contra-Western ideology that is powerful, historical, populous and "healthy" in the sense of positively demographic and with adherents willing to live and die for its principles. There is only one - Islam. Islam however is deficient, deficient in a natural anti-intellectualism inherent in all religions, deficient in a true nation state center with sufficient military, technological, natural, and educational resources. That center is Russia.

Not at all.

The west stole technology and culture from countries around the world as it evolved and grew... Russia is in the excellent position of looking at western culture and selecting the good and rejecting the bad aspects and adopting what it wants for its own future.

It doesn't need to take anyone elses culture, it has its own, but no culture exists in a vacuum, and all cultures borrow from others.

Fundamentally what is wrong with western culture is the lack or loss of humanity.

Big business won... food health is based on rules created by big companies wanting to produce and sell bad food because it is cheap and makes good profits.

The west does not care that it is killing people or making people fat because there is big business catering to that too which also contribute big money to politicians and political parties and that is what it is all about.

The duplicity where the deviant has more power than the majority where a dweebs feelings have more power than actual rights of others... you can't identify a woman as being a woman without her consent because it is up to her to decide today whether she identifies as a woman or not... it is obvious madness...

To be clear there are confused people out there and for those genuinely confused I do feel sorry for such people and they do need help and support but do they need laws that will put people who misidentify them in prison even if they do it on purpose or by accident?

What are the goals of these new social rules... was life not complex enough?

Putin hasn't banned alternative life choices but he has banned celebrating it and inflicting it on children at a time when sexuality shouldn't mean anything to them.

The west is sexualising children and weaponising them... ask climate change girl... don't even need to mention her name because you all know it despite coming from different cultures and countries around the world.

But everything the west does is right because we have a free and open media and we have open debate and discussion on all issues... except these days we have none of those things and appointed officials that have never been elected to anything seem to get to decide and all alternative voices are silenced if you are lucky... you get bullied and you lose your job if you are not lucky.

Russia and the rest of the world have the potential to avoid that path and in addition to having politicians care about their people and their country instead of how much money they will get if they play ball, they need a free press and real accountability and transparency for all politicians.

In the west transparency is a good way to sabotage those who wont play ball... Le Penn and Corbin and Sanders...

Russia can include islam and christian ideals, but actual religiously run countries normally don't work and I think Israel is the best example of that with non jews understanding the police and army are not there to defend or protect them...

Again in my opinion only, they were probably deployed on the field and left to rust there because they were afraid of geting bombed inside. That's why you saw 4 tunguskas parked between bushes or plenty of t-80 in the woods.

I suspect those Tunguskas were parked there a decade ago because lack of spare parts would render them not so useful anyway... and they probably don't have missiles either. (I think that was more than just one battery there... it was likely a large portion of their entire stock...

International law is bullshit.
Nobody gives a crap about it

Actually the west loves it when it suits them like Saddam gassing Kurds at the time was the west accused Iran of the crime and then when it was proven it was Saddam they stopped mentioning it because Saddam was the western hero fighting the evil Iranians, but of course after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait it was evil Saddam murdering his own people with chemical weapons.... a bit like US soldiers slaughtered native americans with infected blankets and any weapon that came to hand.

Only the west are in a position to ignore international law though...

Boris Johnsom must have tried to interfere with India's Russia policy (apart from other internal matters) yesterday when he was here. Why would a pro Falkland independence committee all of a sudden come up in India of all places out of the blue?

India playing from the wests playbook as someone from America would say.

I would say for India , the question is two fold, Imran Khan was a character which was beginning to understand the place of Pakistan in the Multipolar world order, and recognized that of India as well

Multipolar is not about Russia taking over from the US or replacing them, or using money or military power to beat down them and their allies... it is about everyone working towards free and fair trade about helping rather than isolating and containing.

Russia is not damaged by a successful China or a successful India, just as China and India are not damaged by a successful Russia or China or India.

They don't want to destroy the US or the EU, but they do want to cut ties with those regions because those regions are using their money and military power to try to hurt Russia and China and to use India against China the way they are currently using the Ukraine against Russia... which is not doing Russia or the Ukraine any good and wont do India or China any good either.

Well I believe it is not for Russia or Britain to decide what is best for Indians, but it is a question that should be posed to Indians themselves

And that is a key part... you can give advice to countries if they ask for it, but don't go openly telling countries what they should or should not do... it is simply not your place to do so.

I cringe when I see western politicians talking to countries like Russia or China telling them about human rights and international law... the western record for such things is abysmal, but we insist on lecturing to other countries like they want to be told what to do by us.

IMHO Russia does not have the population to be a "Pole" in a multi polar world. The USSR had a much larger pop + the eastern bloc was definitely a "pole". But with 144m Russia can hope to be an influential country within a bloc at the most. The USA + EU+ Japan is close to 800M people. Even with CIS the pop is only 214m.
Russia will not be the center of anything,

It is not about population size it is about power and Russia has the power to defeat any other country or at least destroy its potential for the future even if the response does the same for Russia.

Pole does not mean super power able to control the world on its own. Pole means country or group of countries that think alike and think for themselves... so the west is one pole led by the US with US interests in mind. Eventually European countries might get sick of suffering to meet their needs and goals and start being independent in which case they can be poles too... Germany might be a pole on its own or there might be other countries might join it... there might be a manufacturing EU group and a Tourism retirement group that is another Pole with different but related currencies.

The UK might become its own pole if they can manage to surgically remove their noses from American arses long enough to say that out loud in public where others can hear them.

The French might go on their own or as a group of europeans or colonials but I suspect their colonials will reject them.

Russian forces are facing sever difficulty keeping BTGs/Unit supplied over 100km from a railhead.

It is touching how you worry about their well being, but they will be fine.

Like I said, influential member of a bloc.

No blocs.... the idea of multipolar is that each country gets its own say and is not bullied or cooerced by other nations to vote against their own interests or their own people.

There wont be leaders dictating to others what they can or cannot do.

That is the point otherwise it is just what we have now with the US dictating to the world what should or should not happen when they represent a tiny fraction of the worlds population.

In fact Russia has more positions in Africa than China due to its raw geopolitical experience

Which China is still a Dwarf in , and it shows in the Himalayas, south pacific and east pacific

It is about real freedom, not about dominance or bullying or containment or isolation.... the EU and UK and US are free to join in but they need to learn to accept the views of others and not impose their morals and ethics on others.

While Russia will not be the center of anything, it will represent and does represent the second largest pole in the world after Globalist Liberalism

China is cooperating with Russia because they understand that Russia is not trying to recreate an opponent to the west with Russia at its head to match the US at the head of the west.

What Russia and China are fighting for is independence where you don't have to become a slave of the west to trade with the west or anyone else, where independent international bodies are actually independent and not some rubber stamp tool the US can use to punish Russia or Iran or China or anyone else that does not accept their leadership.

And so far Putin, And thinkers like Dugin have succeeded where the Chinese have not

I suspect the Chinese have looked at their options and prefer the one being offered by Russia... much the same way the leader of the Ukraine made a similar decision until being removed in an illegal coup.

China doesn't support Russia at UN because it secretly pulls some strings

But because it has to,

China supports Russia because Russia wants the international rule of law to be fairly applied to everyone evenly and fairly instead of the Eurocentric BS we have at the moment which is failing Asia and Africa and Central and South America and of course the Middle East and also Europe itself (as any Serb or honest Albanian would admit).

NATO is now officially the biggest arms supplier to Russia.

So Russia overtook the Taliban... that was easy...

Hello. There are lots of videos of Nazi POW. With tattoos all over the body. What do they do with them ? I hope they dont just let them walk away like nothing happened. They should be punished.

Over the years there have been videos and pictures and personal accounts on the internet by these idiots boasting about what they did or what they were going to do... they will have facial recognition software to narrow things down fairly quickly so they will have lists of people they want to speak with and likely evidence set aside for their court cases.

Either way they will be treated with respect until found guilty of something and then it will be the judge that decides.

Some cases might need to be held in the Donbass where the crimes took place I suspect.

They'll do anything to bring the war to 'Russian territory', even if just a few hundred meters in. It's needed for that latest morale boost injection.
Doesn't matter that such attempts incur big losses
And they'll try again soon enough

And that is the best thing possible... send your idiots to face the machine guns and artillery and let them die for their beliefs at least risk to Russian lives.

Ok so now we know that Kh-29 is being also used. 320kg warhead... looks like form 1980s some still remained.

Should still be in production, they are excellent for destroying very strong structures like foundations of bridges or bunkers.

This 'agony' I fear may go on even until the last Ukrainian male is unable to fight, and they start fitting suicide belts to women and children. There is nothing to 'win' in this war. Russia hasn't come up with anything clever so far

If they can't work out who their real enemy is would Russia telling them again make any difference?

Russia has been pointing out that the US benefits from this and no one else... not even the EU benefits from more expensive energy... but that is the only type they will be getting soon now they have sent weapons to kill Russian soldiers and support nazis.

But all this stuff is rapidly being resurfaced now and given complete reign over the country.

So these meaningless suicide attacks are at least dealing with the problem at its root... if they want to die then why not let them?

The alternative would be having them as very hostile neighbours.

That is just physical location and mass.

They have shown they have independent thought and the military might to back up their words... why do you think mere population means anything at all?

How many Brits are there compared with Indonesians.... which has more power more global influence?

Incredibly arrogant to say China is in its "infancy" China has been an advanced society for far longer then Russia I would say.

It is arrogant but what I think he meant was that China was more inward looking and has not really dealt with the west the way Russia has been forced to over the last few centuries.

China has a much more advanced society than the west really.

Which is not to say China or the West or Russia have nothing more to learn... it seems the west thinks it already knows everything and is ready to teach, though it will not tolerate others climbing to their level in the tree... happy to cut off branches to prevent it... currently cutting through the one they are sitting on.

Arrogant or not, If you want to be a pole in Multipolar world

You need more than money and people

You need to fill the vacuum of Liberal Globalism retreating

No, you just need politicians that have the interests of your own country and its citizens at heart and cannot be bought or bullied by other countries into doing things that hurt your country and your citizens.

China has this and so does Russia despite all of the wests best efforts... you could say Cuba and Syria and Iran and North Korea and Venezuela have too but the western sanctions are damaging them and preventing them developing into fully independent poles but the core is there, they just need a real free market economy where they can trade to prosperity on their own.

but potentially I can see Poland being Banderacized next as a project of the Anglos - they've taken a lot of Ukrainian refugees, and are now taking down even Soviet war grave memorials, and their leaders are claiming Russophobia as something mainstream. Baltics, Balkans - also sources for more cannon fodder against Russia. And it'll be battlefield Ukraine for everyone.

When their system is broken with no chance of repair then distraction of your problems is the next best thing the west can offer... Poland and other EU countries isolating themselves from Russia is their choice and their decision... they could end up bitter and twisted like the UK muttering about Red menace and Stalin is back but really they just end up sad and alone.... lots of UK companies want to get into the Russian market and make lots of money but their government wont let them... and it will be the same for Poland... it just means some other country will make lots of money in a growing economy that looks forward instead of backwards.

While Russia itself - well we're being paid by the Chinese to fight the West, they consider us a 'fighting people' so have granted us the honor. So we get to fight on their behalf, and certainly they'll support us as if we fall, they'll be surrounded.

Almost sounds like you are blaming China, when this is all about the US... they lead the west and they control everything in the western and much in the international arena... this was up to them and this is exactly what they wanted... but they wont end up with what they want because they want a broken Russia and a China that has learned the US is the boss and they are going to get neither.

When the rest of the world sees stolen US dollars and Euros they are going to realise how risky those currencies are and any use of them for international trade leaves them open to having their money stolen... common sense dictates trading with Russia and China in other currencies which is going to destroy the US dollar as the international currency of choice...

Not what they wanted at all.

You can see a small shrapnel explosion in the air part-way through the video and the fighter with his comrade both get hit

What was that? A mortar shell with a proximity fuse?

I can't see the videos at the moment but it wasn't an air burst 40mm under barrel grenade?

"if attacks from Ukraine on Russian territory continue to persist, we may have to declare war"

When you can't win you try to escalate things to make the other side look crazy... don't know why they bother because the west thinks they are innocent victims while the rest of the world knows they are loco for murdering so many of their own people just to please Washington.

Any self respecting nation goes after the leadership responsible for these actions. There are no 6D chess considerations or dirty games...

Full stop you put a bullet in their heads and that creates the ultimate deterrent.

So what you are saying is that Zelensky has outlived his usefulness as far as the west is concerned and the SAS forces have gone to work blowing stuff up in Russia to get Russia to kill Zelensky... interesting... but I think they will kill him when they want to and not when you want them to.

Are they even trained to use HIMARS?

Also, what would be Russian operational equivalent to this system?

It is Uragan/Smerch... a longer range MRLS for probably twenty to 100 times the price.

I'm wondering why, if it were missiles, the air defense systems didn't work, and why the missile systems haven't been taken out in advance. It's a hard job but a lot depends on it.
If it were saboteurs - then weren't the sites secured.

Missiles wouldn't have made it through.... there is a large border where special forces teams can sneak through... there are plenty of different targets to attack from lots of directions... pretty hard to deal with.

In my mind, this is a military/security f-up more than a political one.

It is neither a political nor a military fuckup. From political and military perspectives there was no other choice.

From a military perspective having the enemy surrender and allow you to bypass built up areas and secure the terrain between towns and cities while the enemy in each city was dealt with internally and sent out to be taken as POWs would have been ideal and a very clean conflict.... but while it happened in Crimea it didn't happen in the rest of the Ukraine despite some hoping other wise.

They gave then every chance to have one last go at diplomacy and peaceful settlement and so now there are lots of dead bodies... mostly Ukrainian ones but lots and lots of dead bodies... I am sure the west is proud.

My opinion: Get a new burner account. This one is past due, too abused.

Your tune has changed a couple of times now... including a brief period with a Z as your Avatar...

Go slow and steady, take as much time as you need, be as methodical and thorough as possible and finish the job this time

They are getting rushed by half trained conscripts who fight for nazis... it is almost the opposite of WWII except both times they were on the right side but now it is the other idiots getting slaughtered and their leadership doesn't care except insofar as how long they have to stay before doing a runner to (Not South) America... instead of going to Brazil or Argentina they can go to Florida...

I'm against going after leadership of Ukraine. But there are few things that can be eaaily done, which are not, and that make me scratch my head. According to Rybar, latest train composition brought to Kharkov Zuzana-2 SPA and Pions among other things.
Kremenchug refinery can still produce 7000 tons/d of oil derivatives.
Those two things would speed up end of this war and Russia would lose less soldiers.

Keeping transport links open allow you to see where the transported stuff goes to... much of it can be hunted down easily enough... perhaps they think without resources they might start to surrender and they don't have enough capacity to hold large numbers of prisoners and also feed them.

Maybe it is a good time to hit "decision centers", that would be an US embassy in Kiev

Well and truely empty by now I would say...

but still funny.

Can someone with civil engineering experience explain the nature of ukrainian uber fortifications in avdeevka and the gorlovka outskirts?

The fortifications are amongst the civilain population which was not removed so it is not a question of just dropping the heaviest bomb they have on them in most cases.

Some of the fortifications like under the steel mill are the fall out shelters for the local population in the event of WWIII and are deep and extensively protected... not something a few bombs will deal with properly.

Israelis fighting for and with the Nazis! You couldn't make this up. There must be a lot of living Jews hating this or dead ones turning in their graves.

They had better split them up... imagine the nazi orc ordering the jews to mount a suicide attack for the fatherland... a whole unit of Israelis might just turn and shoot the nazi leader so split them up into pairs so they will be less bold... and more eager to die for Zelensky... they will likely be Ukrainian Jews anyway.... imagine the stories they will tell if they survive and get back home.

Why not a couple of bombs? Or even shell an eastbound train to block the line?

Recent escalations against targets inside Russia warrant a response...

Werewolf wrote:

Denazification needs to take place not just among military personal and political figures but also among civilians at least the most active,provocative and militant propagandists.

Lots of POWs confess, that they did not give up voluntarily because were told that Russkies are killing all the prisoners.
Same statements among the civilian population: they were told that Russians will kill them all.
This is all the level of propaganda of the 3rd Reich in 1945.
A reversed truth theory - this is what it should be called.

If Bryansk was a drone attack, that would mean that AA defences were asleep at the wheel or their coverage is not sufficient. Bryansk is not exactly right next to the border, like Belgorod is. It is about 100 km in straight line from closest point.

flamming_python wrote:Taking out the rail junctions and stations is smart. They will take time and effort to restore and afterwards they can just be targeted again.

Better than taking out bridges. You can spend years building a new railroad bridge, it's massive overkill to target such infrastructure considering Russia plans to actually take control over this territory.

You can't target the trains themselves; they move with a mix of civilian and cargo wagons on purpose.

I'll call bullshit on this one. You certainly don't have to raze the bridge to the ground. Taking down one arch will still knock it out off commission for a few months. And we are talking about a handful of bridges.
They'll never be able to completely stop transportation. But, it is much harder to bring 100 tanks by roads then train. It is even harder to bring sufficient amount of fuel and oil via roads.

The cost of himars is irrelevant as Ukraine is getting it for free.

Never forget:

Kremlin spokesman Dmitri Peskov:

“If Ukraine continues its provocations by attacking Russian cities, Russia will be forced to declare war against Ukraine”.

And lol at the gaslighting going on... Jesus.

Noble effort by a respected user here. I guess I'm sure you know it was futile, and gaslighting was all you received in return but nonetheless, as I do often, you pick on some of the idiocy to make a point to others, not necessarily to convince the trolling bullshitter that is guaranteed to gaslight to death... definitely not you, but like you, he's targeting the sheeple that are unsure of the topic at hand and easily swayed. I'll get to your message soon enough.

flamming_python wrote:...You can't target the trains themselves; they move with a mix of civilian and cargo wagons on purpose....

Says who?

Russia routinely targeted mixed military/civilian convoys in Syria, this would be nothing new

What's so special about Nazi Ukrainians that makes them entitled to special treatment?

The oil depot attack did not have to be a missile or a drone. The background noise of a jet in the video linked upthread could be a regular
Russian jet. A diversionary infiltration group could easily plant bombs on the tanks and detonate them at the right time. The security
cameras then make "convincing" cases for a missile attack and a big Kiev regime PR win.

Does that word salad imply a Russian false flag or simply a sabotage op by the Ukies.

The search for the Russian 6D chess move against all the incoming "harmful" noise is turning the sheeple crazy. Hold strong!

JohninMK wrote:Someone working on the basis that if the Houtis can do it to Saudi so can Ukraine do it to Russia,

Victor
@Vick_top55
1/2 Bryansk.  The first explosion at 2.00, the second at 2.11, but some say there were three.  Fuel depots are on fire.
Neither helicopters nor planes were heard by people.  Perhaps missiles, but rather attack drones, which are massively supplied to Ukraine....

If Ukrainians were able to destroy that oil depot it means that Russia didn't deserve to have that oil depot in the first place

PapaDragon wrote:

flamming_python wrote:...You can't target the trains themselves; they move with a mix of civilian and cargo wagons on purpose....

Says who?

Russia routinely targeted mixed military/civilian convoys in Syria, this would be nothing new

What's so special about Nazi Ukrainians that makes them entitled to special treatment?

Different mission parameters and objectives.

Syria- smash ISIS and preserve Assad government. You can afford to be brutal as you have no long term occupation plans.

Ukraine- win hearts and minds because you intend to keep influence there for decades to come and you want them to like you. So you keep collateral damage low and solely target military infrastructure. Honestly though, I'd still view transportation, industrial, energy, communication, and government facilities as fair game. Russia built a beautiful bridge to Crimea under sanctions so bridges could easily be rebuilt or repaired and as they help Ukraine's war effort they are valid targets.

People make a bigger deal about the civilian oil depot, which isn't entire oil depot, than Russia strikes in Ukraine. Doesn't make much sense to me but oh well.

US won't restore anything in Kiev but guarantee it will be lviv instead as they know they can be hit at any time.

JohninMK wrote:Israelis fighting for and with the Nazis! You couldn't make this up. There must be a lot of living Jews hating this or dead ones turning in their graves.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1518285061199740934

First time seeing this kind of people? Look what is going on in Israel and the pro-Ukrainian sentiment there. They hate Russians more than Nazis. They supported Chechens during 1/2 Chechen war as well. Almost all anti-russian 5th columnists in Russia are also Jews. Varlamov, Kots and etc. It's like they still have their resentment of medieval pogroms and can't let it go. No wonder they went ballistic on ethnic Russians as soon they managed to crawl into positions of power in early Soviet.

Some people don't like to have the sanctity of their butthole breached. Call it pure masculine machoism. Others clearly, by their own words don't mind a finger or two doing work, as long as they can reciprocate in a disproportionate manner.

It's not just "Gayto" after all. Surprise.

We covered this topic on other threads. There is a historic resentment against Russia over the Pale of Settlement and the pogroms
in places like Odessa. In the context of European history (before WWII) the grievances against Russia are over-amplified. For some
reason the US diaspora is obsessed with it. They are treating Germans better than Russians. Stop and think about this insanity.