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    Post  teh_beard Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:45 am

    Eugenio Argentina wrote:Does anyone know what weapon the Russian soldier uses, which appears to shoot exploding grenades at the Ukrainian group?

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/43121
    RG-6.
    Note the wild throw of the weapon before each shot - its due to cilinder with grenades being articulated with spring tension released to rotate it before each shot in true revolver fashion.
    Milkor suffers the sane problem, to my knowledge.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Tue Apr 19, 2022 5:12 am

    teh_beard wrote:
    Eugenio Argentina wrote:Does anyone know what weapon the Russian soldier uses, which appears to shoot exploding grenades at the Ukrainian group?

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/43121
    RG-6.
    Note the wild throw of the weapon before each shot - its due to cilinder with grenades being articulated with spring tension released to rotate it before each shot in true revolver fashion.
    Milkor suffers the sane problem, to my knowledge.

    From the results it looks like a formidable weapon.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Tue Apr 19, 2022 5:34 am

    Zelenski at work. Just in case you didn't see yet Smile

    https://t.me/Anna_News_MSK/9881



    and there it goes the soundtrack:

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    Post  d_taddei2 Tue Apr 19, 2022 6:31 am

    Believe some of these newly delivered weapons are already Destroyed lol!

    Updates

    1) The US Treasury: In the next stage, we will focus on pursuing those who try to violate sanctions against Russia

    2) Russian troops already in Zarichne

    3) Putin discusses Russia-Ukraine talks, Middle East with Palestinian leader Abbas

    4) Russia now has 76 battalion tactical groups in Ukraine now, a slight increase in recent days, a senior U.S. defense official says

    5) The U.S. official says the United States has no evidence that the sunken Russian warship had nuclear weapons when it went down. (contrary to Twitter gossip)

    6) First flights carrying $800 million worth of weapons arrived Sunday and will be delivered to Ukraine: U.S. senior defense official

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    Post  limb Tue Apr 19, 2022 6:50 am

    Can anyone explain why the Moskva was needed as an air defense bubble? The S-400 has 4000km range and is far superior to the S-300F. They could've just deployed S-400s and S-300Vs in Kherson. Also a 24/7 Su-30 patrol would've also been enough. In short, Why did the Odessa bay specifically need a 150km radius AD bubble?
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    Post  kvs Tue Apr 19, 2022 6:57 am

    https://t.me/ostashkonews/8007

    The story of the Moskva:

    It was deployed near Romania and Odessa to track the origin of the "Ukrainian" jets doing runs to the east.
    It turns out they are operating from Romanian airfields flying out over the Black Sea and north to Odessa.
    The Mosvka was employed to track this activity with its 500 km range phased array radar.

    Apparently two UAVs attacked the Moskva. One was shot down and the other managed to take out about
    half of its radar capacity. This would make it vulnerable to a Neptun or similar attack.

    In any case, NATzO was involved in the Moskva incident.

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    Post  limb Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:01 am

    kvs wrote:https://t.me/ostashkonews/8007

    The story of the Moskva:

    It was deployed near Romania and Odessa to track the origin of the "Ukrainian" jets doing runs to the east.
    It turns out they are operating from Romanian airfields flying out over the Black Sea and north to Odessa.
    The Mosvka was employed to track this activity with its 500 km range phased array radar.

    Apparently two UAVs attacked the Moskva.   One was shot down and the other managed to take out about
    half of its radar capacity.  This would make it vulnerable to a Neptun or similar attack.  

    In any case, NATzO was involved in the Moskva incident.  

     

    How a could a slow drone with weapons with maximum range of 30km at most successfully hit a ship with multiple targeting radars. This is like a WW2 torpedo bomber destroying a modern ship.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:02 am

    limb wrote:
    kvs wrote:https://t.me/ostashkonews/8007

    The story of the Moskva:

    It was deployed near Romania and Odessa to track the origin of the "Ukrainian" jets doing runs to the east.
    It turns out they are operating from Romanian airfields flying out over the Black Sea and north to Odessa.
    The Mosvka was employed to track this activity with its 500 km range phased array radar.

    Apparently two UAVs attacked the Moskva.   One was shot down and the other managed to take out about
    half of its radar capacity.  This would make it vulnerable to a Neptun or similar attack.  

    In any case, NATzO was involved in the Moskva incident.  

     

    How a could a slow drone with weapons with maximum range of 30km at most successfully hit a ship with multiple targeting radars. This is like a WW2 torpedo bomber destroying a modern ship.

    Fly below radar horizon until you're right upon it
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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:15 am

    kvs wrote:https://t.me/ostashkonews/8007

    The story of the Moskva:

    It was deployed near Romania and Odessa to track the origin of the "Ukrainian" jets doing runs to the east.
    It turns out they are operating from Romanian airfields flying out over the Black Sea and north to Odessa.
    The Mosvka was employed to track this activity with its 500 km range phased array radar.

    Apparently two UAVs attacked the Moskva.   One was shot down and the other managed to take out about
    half of its radar capacity.  This would make it vulnerable to a Neptun or similar attack.  

    In any case, NATzO was involved in the Moskva incident.  

     

    NATOstani involvement would explain why the Russians are being so tight with information. What to do?  Hit the NATO bastards in response and risk a wider war (by giving Murkan warmongers and their Eurotrash minions the red meat they would need to mobilise public support) or just inscribe one more red mark into the Great Book of Grudges and flick the switch to invoke compound interest until the debt is settled?

    If the NATO Schutzstaffel are indeed involved in this, then a debt of blood and honour has been incurred...  and the best revenge will be a total and complete military victory and a forcing of an unconditional surrender by the vile maggot-regime that infests the corpse of Kiev.  Then compell the regime survivors to squeal like piggies at the War Crimes Tribunals to save their own skins.  Confront the West with the truth about the vile and immoral policies that they have pursued (not just against Russia but Serbia, Libya, Syria etc) and obtain a conviction in the court of global opinion in the non-aligned world.  Strip the fcking Western "elites" of their self-annoited haloes and show them for being the evil cnts that they truly are...

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    Post  par far Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:24 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:Believe some of these newly delivered weapons are already Destroyed  lol!

    Updates

    1) The US Treasury: In the next stage, we will focus on pursuing those who try to violate sanctions against Russia

    2) Russian troops already in Zarichne

    3) Putin discusses Russia-Ukraine talks, Middle East with Palestinian leader Abbas

    4) Russia now has 76 battalion tactical groups in Ukraine now, a slight increase in recent days, a senior U.S. defense official says

    5) The U.S. official says the United States has no evidence that the sunken Russian warship had nuclear weapons when it went down. (contrary to Twitter gossip)

    6) First flights carrying $800 million worth of weapons arrived Sunday and will be delivered to Ukraine: U.S. senior defense official



    #1.) This can back fire or it can work for the US, if it back fires(the most likely situation), it will **** the US up.

    #3.) The Russian-Israeli relations seem not too good right now, is Israel towing the US line?

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:29 am

    Russia cannot take on NATO as yet and doing so would be foolish but this is an extreme escalation if true. Next thing you know drones will be based off airfields in Romania once they run out of Ukrainian pilots and Soviet-era jets.

    What's probably needed is not knee-jerk revenge but a gradual expansion of the army through the formation of new battalions/brigades and their manning with some war-experienced vets, new volunteers and reservists, and gradually rotating them into the Ukraine to solidify them as combat formations and give everyone some experience. These can use some of the many vehicles and equipment in storage fitted with quick, cheap upgrades, and modern stuff where it's crucial (comms, UAVs, etc..)
    NATO on the contrary will only have more cracks appear in it for as long as they're not directly engaged in the war yet their mercs are taking losses and their economies are suffering from inflation. One mustn't give them an excuse to mobilize society or whatever. The propaganda front and exposing Kiev's crimes is crucial here too.

    The economy must not suffer though so any mobilization must still be pretty limited; just wide over the total pool, taking in reservists in parties for duty for a period 6 months or so until they're deposited back to civilian life. Such battalions can be put into reserve when they're not active, ready to be filled if full mobilization is called for.

    But yes I don't see any Novorussia or any of that stuff, the entirety of the Ukraine will have to be taken otherwise NATO will find a way of keeping this war running forever. This must be done intelligently, by provoking mass surrenders, by destabilizing the regime in Kiev and solidifying peaceful life and jump-starting the economy in Ukrainian territory that has been taken under control.


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    Post  flamming_python Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:32 am

    par far wrote:
    #1.) This can back fire or it can work for the US, if it back fires(the most likely situation), it will **** the US up.

    #3.) The Russian-Israeli relations seem not too good right now, is Israel towing the US line?

    Israel after a short period of neutrality has voiced blame against Russia for the Bucha incident and voted for its removal from the Human Rights council of the UN

    In practice this doesn't mean much and Russia has voted against Israel consistently at the UN anyway so there's no need for an overreaction.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:34 am

    par far wrote:


    #1.) This can back fire or it can work for the US, if it back fires(the most likely situation), it will **** the US up.

    #3.) The Russian-Israeli relations seem not too good right now, is Israel towing the US line?

    I think Washington is going to have very mixed results in cracking down on those who resist the sanctions. The Biden regime will have a lot of success with the EU (outside of Hungary), and Canada and Japan, and Australia/New Zealand, but most of the word really does not like having their foreign policy and economic and trade decisions dictated to them and so I think the US will get Pakistan fully in its orbit, but India and its 1.5 billion consumers are probably going to side with their traditional trading partner as will China. That is two very large markets and I just don't think Biden has enough to offer as a carrot and the stick won't work

    As for Israel, well I can't blame Israel for its position on the US. After all they are a client state to the US like Syria is to Russia.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:36 am

    par far wrote:#3.) The Russian-Israeli relations seem not too good right now, is Israel towing the US line?

    Israel is the tail that wags the US dog. The US and their Eurotrash cock-holsters would never have embarked on this Ukro nazi endeavour had the neocon Jews in the US Deep State not hatched the plot and worked so hard within US gov structures to encourage it. Jews want Ukraine as their 2nd homeland, another land full of goys to dominate and control and to use in order to enrich themselves. Given that Ashkenazis orginate from Ukraine (or at least part of it) and are entrenched as the "nations" economic elites, it was probably inevitable that these bastards would eventually get around to subverting it.

    Israel will never be Russias friend, and it should be treated as an enemy nation.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:38 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    par far wrote:#3.) The Russian-Israeli relations seem not too good right now, is Israel towing the US line?

    Israel is the tail that wags the US dog.  The US and their Eurotrash cock-holsters would never have embarked on this Ukro nazi endeavour had the neocon Jews in the US Deep State not hatched the plot and worked so hard within US gov structures to encourage it.  Jews want Ukraine as their 2nd homeland, another land full of goys to dominate and control and to use in order to enrich themselves. Given that Ashkenazis orginate from Ukraine (or at least part of it) and are entrenched as the "nations" economic elites, it was probably inevitable that these bastards would eventually get around to subverting it.

    Israel will never be Russias friend, and it should be treated as an enemy nation.  

    It's not about being Russia's friend, it's about strategy. You want to try and split the US and its allies as a bloc, and the less are engaged in simultaneous hostilities with, the better.

    Hence it doesn't benefit Russia to respond to any Israeli diplomatic provocations at present time, other than through its own diplomatic demarches and messages.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:44 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:As for Israel, well I can't blame Israel for its position on the US.  After all they are a client state to the US like Syria is to Russia.

    You think Israel is a "client state"?

    Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    No, its Tel Aviv that wears the pants.  Just look at the way the US congressional sycophants give standing ovations to Ziostani politicians whenever they come to tour their North American colony.  Every single Murkan political whore is on its feet, and the chamber reverberates with thunderous appluase that goes on for minutes at a time.

    There is a reason why the US Congress is considered by many who are geopolitically savvy to be the main "Occupied Territory".

    It truly is a disgustingly servile display, but the US MSM (and their Jewish owners) just loves it and their manicured sock puppets speak warmly about the outrage as though its the most natural thing in the world.  How in the world do patriotic Americans tolerate this obsequious bullshat?

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    Post  ucmvulcan Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:48 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    ucmvulcan wrote:As for Israel, well I can't blame Israel for its position on the US.  After all they are a client state to the US like Syria is to Russia.

    You think Israel is a "client state"?

    Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    No, its Tel Aviv that wears the pants.  Just look at the way the US congressional sycophants give standing ovations to Ziostani politicians whenever they come to tour their North American colony.  Every single Murkan political whore is on its feet, and the chamber reverberates with thunderous appluase that goes on for minutes at a time.

    There is a reason why the US Congress is considered by many who are geopolitically savvy to be the main "Occupied Territory".

    It truly is a disgustingly servile display, but the US MSM (and their Jewish owners) just loves it and their manicured sock puppets speak warmly about the outrage as though its the most natural thing in the world.  How in the world do patriotic Americans tolerate this obsequious bullshat?

    You're not wrong, I remember when the government in this country shut down and government workers went over a month without getting paid that congress took the time to outlaw free speech when it came to calling out Israel for its apartheid practices against the Palestinians. That bugged and infuriated me at the time.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:48 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    It's not about being Russia's friend, it's about strategy. You want to try and split the US and its allies as a bloc, and the less are engaged in simultaneous hostilities with, the better.

    Hence it doesn't benefit Russia to respond to any Israeli diplomatic provocations at present time, other than through its own diplomatic demarches and messages.

    I can accept that, as along as Russia knows deep down that the jew state is an enemy and that Russia keeps a well sharpened khinzhal ready and available for the opportunity to plunge it hilt-deep into Israels fcking neck....

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    Post  mnztr Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:22 am

    I think if Russia took on one of the smaller NATO countries they would get away with it, especially if Ukrainian planes were flying from there. For example, if they wiped out an airport and said, any missions to Ukraine will be attacked. Or they can send a submarine to take out several Romain patrol ships in retaliation.

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    Post  andalusia Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:41 am

    This is a good article saying that the US Navy could experience what happened to the Slava Class cruiser:


    https://www.yahoo.com/news/sinking-russias-flagship-might-bad-163928574.html
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:51 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    It's not about being Russia's friend, it's about strategy. You want to try and split the US and its allies as a bloc, and the less are engaged in simultaneous hostilities with, the better.

    Hence it doesn't benefit Russia to respond to any Israeli diplomatic provocations at present time, other than through its own diplomatic demarches and messages.

    I can accept that, as along as Russia knows deep down that the jew state is an enemy and that Russia keeps a well sharpened khinzhal ready and available for the opportunity to plunge it hilt-deep into Israels fcking neck....

    What's important to understand is that the 15% of countries in the world that are part of the core Western bloc benefit from all the neo-colonialism and shenanigance as it keeps their security and their economies at the top. And they all know it, regardless of their multi-vector policies and trade ties during peace time. That includes Israel, that includes South Korea, Singapore, and so on. And these states can always be relied upon, ultimately, to band together.
    Conversely the other 85% are not part of the bloc, or maintain dependence on it for the security of their regimes - countries like Pakistan, Columbia, Georgia and so on. These are states that can be relied upon to resist any pressure from the West to control their affairs, rebel against them outright, or in the case of dependent regimes - have strong grassroots opposition movements.

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:41 am

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    What's the point for a burned out 40 year old hull?

    Perhaps make a memorial out of it

    Memorial to what? Incompetence?

    Smartest thing to do now is to drop pile of depth charges on the wreckage and forget that the whole sorry thing ever existed

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:52 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    What's the point for a burned out 40 year old hull?

    Perhaps make a memorial out of it

    Memorial to what? Incompetence?

    Smartest thing to do now is to drop pile of depth charges on the wreckage and forget that the whole sorry thing ever existed


    Well, its technically a war grave now (assuming it was lost due to actions by hostiles, and that there have been unrecovered fatalies onboard), so your suggested course of action might be considered ill-advised....

    Any ideas to recover the Moskva for anything other than investigation and scrapping the wreck are frankly nonsense, unless there are true mysteries regarding her loss.  Recovering the Kursk was necessary as the circumstances of her loss were unclear, and she went down with all hands.  Maybe the first applies to Moskva, but by all accounts the loss of crew was low, and for that we can be thankful.


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    Post  Regular Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:52 am

    zorobabel wrote:Berdyansk today  Russian special military operation in Ukraine #12 - Page 37 1f600

    https://t.me/asbmil/1109

    Thanks for sharing, I like Berdyansk very much, happy to see that destruction and death didn't visit it apart from some instances.

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    Post  Serberus Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:54 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    What's the point for a burned out 40 year old hull?

    Perhaps make a memorial out of it

    Memorial to what? Incompetence?

    Smartest thing to do now is to drop pile of depth charges on the wreckage and forget that the whole sorry thing ever existed


    Incompetence aside, the ship and its crews served for decades, so it should and probably will be memorialised in some way.
    The only thing requiring a drop pile of depth charges is your childish arrogance.


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