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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #12

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:42 pm

    par far wrote:NATO had 8 years to train and equip the Ukrainian army, NATO is sending equipment to Ukraine, MATO is providing Ukraine with satellite photos and other stuff like that....

    So fucking what?

    They gave them equipment, big deal, I can give my dog keys to my car it doesn't mean he will suddenly pass a driving exam

    You can give Ukrainians M-1 Abrams' and F-15s and Apache gunships it wouldn't matter one bit

    These are the same retard pussy apes that they were 50 days ago who only know how to shell civilians and hide in cities and no amount of equipment, intel or training will ever change that


    Ukrainians are succeeding because Russia is intentionally shooting itself in the dick instead of taking this seriously and finishing them off

    Ukrainians are still alive because Russians are softballing this entire war out of dumb assumption that 30 million Nazis secretly love them, they don't

    Should Russia win you will see these same "non-nazi innocent civilians" the next day protesting against filthy moskals, demanding their European rights and throwing molotovs on Russian troops






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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:44 pm

    limb wrote:
    Hole wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    Hole wrote:
    T-72B3M was hit by 3 AT munitions (all in the back = ambush), made it back to base, no one hurt.

    But, but, hits to the rear are supposed to knock out the engine and fuel tank. How could this possibly happen? Laughing



    Combination of ERA and propably western made garbage... I mean weapons.

    Are you saying the little ERA plates on the roof of the T-72 can protect against EFPs and tandem warheads?

    I guess it was luck too. If the javelin hit the crew hatch on the turret. It would've penetrated because there's no era there.

    Also it's high time tanks get MAWS that detect F&F ATGMs.

    Are you saying that the Nimtz aircraft carrier class would survive the H47M2 Kinzhal or 3M22 Zircon? Is this one of those weapons that the USA is afraid of when it comes to "dumb subhumans" Russians? I mean, it's not an Iraqi desert.
    I also think that they were "lucky" to be at war with Ukrainian lives against Russia.


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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:54 pm

    limb wrote:
    0 naval losses is actually the minimum standard against a 3rd world country without a navy like Ukraine. Cope.
    How about the monkeys in the Russian navy fix their systemic issues of negligence?

    Two points, first as already pointed out, Ukraine is not a 3rd world country, second, 2nd and 3rd world countries with coastlines are increasingly adding AShM to their armories. Even the mighty USN is starting to be a bit cautious as to where its sending its ships.

    The economic availability of missiles and drones of all kinds is changing warfare, especially for countries with smaller budgets.

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    Post  Hole Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:55 pm

    Some dudes here compared air sorties of "Operation Iraqi Oil" with this campaign. Apples and oranges. If some western platoon meets a good entrenched MG operator they have to call in an airstrike. Also most sorties in Iraq were made bombing civilian targets, they made thousands of sorties against Fallujah, killing 20.000+ civilians.

    The Russian Army has much, much, much more artillery then any NATO army. Most of the time the infantry just calls the artillery and BUMM. But they have to speak very loud on the radio because the atillery guys can´t hear very well. Very Happy

    Why are not more sorties flown by tactical aircraft?

    For me this has nothing to do with enemy AD. Most is destroyed, the rest is only good for ambushes. From the videos published in the last weeks there are constantly Su-30 and S-35 jets in the air, armed with Kh-31 missiles.

    The main reason are the targets in Phase 1 of the operation.

    No. 1: depots of all sorts, large groups of enemies (barracks), "strategic" targets. Here mainly ballistic and cruise missiles are used. Plus a few hypersonics. For demonstration to the observers on the other side of the border. Stand-off weapons are the best choice for these targets. Value for money.

    No. 2: vehicles, small groups of soldiers. Here mainly helicopters are used, but also armed drones or drones with lasers to guide Krasnopol grenades. Same as with the point above. Why use a Su-30 dropping a KAB-500 on a tank or 3 dudes with a RPG?

    Until now most air attacks from tactical aircraft were made in the Donbass, mostly from Su-25´s. Odessa was hit by Kh-59M´s from Su-30/34/35´s, yesterday there was an attack in Lviv with Su-35´s. Plus a lot of other occasions.

    I guess in Phase 2 this will increase. More strikes with Kh-25/29/35/38/59M missiles. Plus a few bombing runs by heavier aircraft. We will see.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:59 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
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    ◽ According to their testimonies, the total number of Ukrainian servicemen, Nazis and foreign mercenaries who took refuge at Azovstal does not exceed 2.5 thousand people.

    ◽ Thus, on April 16, only in Mariupol, the losses of the Ukrainian group amounted to more than 4,000 people.

    So, 4000 already dead and the best part of 2500 now on the block in the Azov plant.

    On a previous report it was said by some surrenderers that their top leaders had escaped by helicopter. The probably had no idea they didn't get far before being shot down, I suspect that the DNR interrogator then smiled when he updated them:)

    I can't imagine troops finding out that their leaders fled and left them to rot in some hole morale must be crap. I would imagine it's only neo Nazis left who are threatening others into staying. I doubt we will see Nazi surrendering. I would fill the plant with CS gas I bet not one of them has a respirator/gas mask, I would also fill the plant with white phosphorus let them burn. And if they end up in the underground bunkers do the same again or just fill with water, don't let them drown just enough water to let them freeze and get trench foot but more like trench body. Not one of them should be left alive after what they have done. Trials, courts etc just a waste of time and money on these scum..

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    Post  d_taddei2 Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:07 pm

    I think if Kherson region becomes independent this will not only piss the west off lol! But let's it sink into zelensky that he's lost a region without any agreements or deals done, and thus adds to any agreement that Russia puts on the table will now include recognition of Donbass, Crimea and now Kherson region. It also floats the idea for other regions that getting its own independence might be a safer way out of this mess, and I am pretty sure many regions in Ukraine haven't always felt Kiev government hasn't always had it's regions priorities at the forefront. And I am sure local mayor's/governor's like the idea of being fully in charge of their region and title of president than taking orders from a comedian and being classed as a lowly mayor etc.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:14 pm

    par far wrote:
    You need some coping, if you think Ukraine is a 3rd world army.

    People like you don't understand that is not Russia vs Ukraine, this is Russia vs NATO.

    NATO had 8 years to train and equip the Ukrainian army, NATO is sending equipment to Ukraine,  MATO is providing Ukraine with satellite photos and other stuff like that.

    You don't even know what exactly happened on the ship.

    And you are calling the Russian monkeys? **** you.

    More than satellite photos

    NATO together with Ukrainian generals are directing the whole operation. And likely from NATO territory

    Real-time radar data, constant satellite data updates, EW from Ukrainian territory and likely NATO territory, Globalhawks flying over the Black Sea, eavesdropping on Russian communications via hacking/spies/etc.. the full NATO intelligence apparatus at wartime levels for all intents and purposes

    Whatever Ukrainian headquarters and capabilities are on their own territory, they are likely situated within housing blocks in Kiev.

    Then yes, daily truck and train convoys of new equipment of all different types. Much of the lighter stuff such as night vision googles are transported in light civilian vans, making them very tricky to target.
    Russia is targeting railway junctions, that's the most optimal approach and delays the heavier stuff
    Fuel cisterns are being transported by rail too, not only from Poland but even declared neutral countries such as Moldova; there was a pic just today.
    And yes by all appearances new aircraft and certainly new drones are being transported from Slovakia too.

    So you can't take out the headquarters. You can't fracture the regime's elites as they are all at gunpoint anyway. You can't destroy its intelligence-gathering capabilities. You can't completely stop it being resupplied.

    What's left is just to take out the cannon fodder, act against resupply where you can, destroy equipment and war industries, force surrenders and expand your own local armies, and counter-act its propaganda in the hopes of alienating the people and soldiers against the regime. On that last point, the regime is its own worst enemy.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:19 pm

    This song is not for cowards who shit here against their government and therefore against their people. The Government of Russia is not in question here, **** politics, the stakes are far higher. ****, These Serbs, who are on the forum, know that we Serbs do not "project" to hate, but...

    We Serbs are not united either, far from it, but it is a great happiness for the world that we have only as many inhabitants as we have. I clearly doubt that someone would insult Serbia if it had 100 million inhabitants.
    For Russia, there is only victory, nothing more !


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    Post  par far Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:23 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    par far wrote:NATO had 8 years to train and equip the Ukrainian army, NATO is sending equipment to Ukraine,  MATO is providing Ukraine with satellite photos and other stuff like that....

    So fucking what?

    They gave them equipment, big deal, I can give my dog keys to my car it doesn't mean he will suddenly pass a driving exam

    You can give Ukrainians M-1 Abrams' and F-15s and Apache gunships it wouldn't matter one bit

    These are the same retard pussy apes that they were 50 days ago who only know how to shell civilians and hide in cities and no amount of equipment, intel or training will ever change that


    Ukrainians are succeeding because Russia is intentionally shooting itself in the dick instead of taking this seriously and finishing them off

    Ukrainians are still alive because Russians are softballing this entire war out of dumb assumption that 30 million Nazis secretly love them, they don't

    Should Russia win you will see these same "non-nazi innocent civilians" the next day protesting against filthy moskals, demanding their European rights and throwing molotovs on Russian troops









    I don't know how old you are but by reading your posts you seem like 15-16 years old.

    NATO not only gave the Ukrainian, the weapons, they have trained them for 8 years and right now, they are providing Ukrainian with live satellite images and other information, while being indirectly being involved in this war.

    As for kill all the Ukrainians and destroy, everything Ukrainian, this is not possible because Russians have to live in Russia and Ukraine is right next to Russia, if you don't believe me, check a map.

    If Russia destroys every Ukrainian city, than it becomes Iraq or Libya and Russia cannot forget about it like the United States because it is far.

    Look at what Libya has become for Europe, it has become a launch pad for immigrants, refugees and criminals to come to Europe and cause havoc and destroy everything European.

    If Russia levels Ukraine(which it can do if it wants to), it becomes a nightmare for Russia and dream come true for the collective west, if Russia takes one region at a time(like it is doing right now) it becomes a nightmare for the west and a dream come true for Russia. Russia has just gained more territory on the Black sea.

    And you don't to tell the Russians what the Nazis think about them, almost every Russian has someone that passed away in the Patriotic War.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:36 pm

    par far wrote:

    I don't know how old you are but by reading your posts you seem like 15-16 years old.

    So, 9 years old when he joined this forum. Truly impressive.

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    Post  franco Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:38 pm

    Slavyangrad@NuestraIraSLG
    #UKRAINE/#RUSSIA—Losses of the #Ukrainian forces in #RF-led campaign, as of April 16, 2022, according to #Rybar, with access to internal #UA military reports:

    Tanks—485
    IFVs—1,526
    Personnel: 22,686 KIA, 15,182 WIA



    https://twitter.com/NuestraIraSLG/status/1515331112461033476?cxt=HHwWiICztcjnxIcqAAAA

    NOTE: this reports are fairly similar to the Russian military figures

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    Post  ahmedfire Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:06 pm

    Well done guys

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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:10 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:How come you two, FP and Arkhangelsk, are not ashamed to be humiliated here? Unbelievers and cowards have no place in military forums. These worms like RTN and LIMB delight with your comments. They and people like them want to see some Russians whining. Do you have any pride, you piece of shit? You believe in Western propaganda, and you urinate on Russia and Putin yourself.

    Why, because of a 40-year-old ship and several planes? Idiots, in our country, GYPSIES jumped and made fun on the destroyed F-117 ! YES, THAT MIRACLE OF AMERICAN TECHNOLOGY, which was withdrawn from use only 7 years after the Aggression on the FRY. That's why they pull the F-22, because it's a bucket that's only good for movies.

    Their compatriots are dying. Criticising government doesn't mean they are against theor country. It only mean they are not happy with how government performs under circumstances. And, Russia is not Putin. Same like Milosevic wasn't Serbia. I, personally, didn't like the ****, but that didn't stop me from serving the army.
    Nobody should close eyes to their mistakes. And strategic mistakes, which Ru government made are the worst kind and most costly. They not only cost lives, but lower the morale of troops in the field. You should remember complete absence of strategic goals during our war with Croatia. My older brother was stuck in Karlovac barracks with his unit for three months, and they were losing men daily, due to some botched belief of JNA officers that still believed in brotherhood and unity.
    To get back to Russia, I'll give Putin credit where it is due, but on Ukraine he's been mostly wrong and his actions were just reactions to US moves.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:10 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    Dude, I would "sink" all your teeth !!!
    Look at this, you stinker, I've been following you and that stink RTN for days, I'd break you both! You would sink like Bismarck if I were in front of you.
    There is nothing for a coward like you two and those whiners FP and Arkahangelsk to write! Fool, Russia has entered a war that the United States did not enter since the Vietnam War era. Come on, let them bring their aircraft carriers in front of the Russian borders, so let's see. The same goes for Arleigh Burke destroyers.

    Allah Akbar! lol1

    Dude relax a bit. You're in agony over the humiliation vis-a-vis the Moskva. That's understandable. But yes there will be losses in war, and even displays of basic incompetence, not every officer deserves his post or can display the required level of proficiency in a crisis. It's important to accept that and move on, confident that the loss is not fatal and the naval plans will be adjusted. I posted about the Moskva and I don't share the opinion that it's loss is only symbolic - it was a key vessel in the Black Sea fleet and its anti-air and anti-ship strike power as well as its command functions. But nevermind, it's replacement for the BSF flagship role will be a helicopter carrier and those are already on the way.

    And yes the failed political-military strategies and plenty of other mistakes by the leadership we've been over here in this forum.
    It's naive to assume the enemy doesn't make mistakes either. They were planning a bank run in Russia, not a long war, but a short one until dissent kicks in here and the economy seizes up. Now that they have a long war on their hands, they're suddenly going back on their words about only sending small arms, and sending trainloads of heavy equipment instead - as the Ukrainian ones have mostly been taken out. Scrounging up decades-old crap in storage with no upgrades such as East German BMP-1s and Czech T-72M1s. Now sending Mi-17s out of the arsenal they had planned for the Afghan military before said military collapsed in 11 days.
    Sending Bosnian and Chechen Islamists, Uighurs, all sorts of TikTok celebrity warriors who get pummeled, ex-Afghan military commandos who now work in their PMCs; all their tools across all their vast empire. Emptying all their stocks of old equipment, ammo, and so on, and now facing a 2nd front with China, tensions with India, and more trouble in the Middle East.
    Don't worry, it's important only for Russia to keep pinning them in the Ukraine, with steady advances, while taking out all their supplies and mercenaries. The rest of the world will start to discard their threats over cutting ties with Russia.

    War consists of among other things, a constant struggle to outsmart your opponent, cloak your true intentions, pursue and adjust your strategy, adopt new tactics and evolve or discard them when the enemy adapts to them

    From what I can see the core of competency is there at levels in the Russian military. Because they display the ability to very rapidly adapt. Tank columns come in with marching formation but people aren't greeting you with flowers? Engagement orders were adjusted in 3 days. High-tempo of advance leading your forces into traps? Lower your tempo within another few days and focus on taking out the traps with your own artillery and helicopters. Bayraktars taking out vehicles? Haven't seen a video from them past the first 2 weeks, only reports of them being shot down daily. Negotiations were betrayed? Well pretend to adhere to them anyway for diplomatic and operational reasons, until your opponent is the one who threatens to cut all negotiations if Mariupol is taken. Opponent massacring his own civilians to put the blame on you? Expose the devil.

    And yes each failed step, each lesson comes with a cost, as does the Moskva. Main thing is that the lessons are learned, and that the peacetime officer corps, which is really the same in every army - an armed bureaucracy; is whipped into fighting shape and the no-gooders are rapidly weeded out as talent is allowed to rise to the top.


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    Post  kvs Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:12 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
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    I don't know how old you are but by reading your posts you seem like 15-16 years old.

    So, 9 years old when he joined this forum. Truly impressive.

    The 15-16 refers to his mental age.

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    Post  zorobabel Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:19 pm

    The MoD video with the crew of the Moskva only shows about 100 sailors. Not sure what is going on there.
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:26 pm

    zorobabel wrote:The MoD video with the crew of the Moskva only shows about 100 sailors. Not sure what is going on there.

    100-120 sailors, and about 40-50 more officers

    Well at least they're not in glum spirits. Let's hope more of them are just injured or otherwise recovering

    Based on the info that Podolyaka has, the casualties weren't high considering the size of the crew complement. The commander is not dead, as Ukrainian propaganda reported. At least, that's what he says.
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    Post  Isos Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:29 pm

    zorobabel wrote:The MoD video with the crew of the Moskva only shows about 100 sailors. Not sure what is going on there.

    Damages that sink a big ship generally kill plenty of sailors. That was true for all the big ship disasters so it must be the case for moskva too.

    However they didn't drawn since the ship was being towed. All the one that survived the fire and explosion have been taken out from the ship. So it is a good news because if the ship sinks immediately the people deep in the ship can't survive.

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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:36 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:Well done guys

    Dead Hohols:
    https://t.me/mapsukraine/267

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:47 pm

    par far wrote:I don't know how old you are but by reading your posts you seem like 15-16 years old....

    To quote 15 year olds: **** off



    par far wrote:...NATO not only gave the Ukrainian, the weapons, they have trained them for 8 years and right now, they are providing Ukrainian with live satellite images and other information, while being indirectly being involved in this war....

    So fucking what?

    Apes got some basic infantry training and are wearing fancy uniforms, none of that shit makes them impervious to bombs, missiles and artillery

    Ape in fancy suit will die just the same as ape with burlap sack around his ass

    They are alive because Russia is allowing it



    par far wrote:As for kill all the Ukrainians and destroy, everything Ukrainian, this is not possible because Russians have to live in Russia and Ukraine is right next to Russia, if you don't believe me, check a map....

    They won't have to live next to them if they kill them



    par far wrote:...If Russia destroys every Ukrainian city, than it becomes Iraq or Libya and Russia cannot forget about it like the United States because it is far....

    What are you ranting about?



    par far wrote:...Look at what Libya has become for Europe, it has become a launch pad for immigrants, refugees and criminals to come to Europe and cause havoc and destroy everything European....

    And all these Ukrainian apes will be running to Europe thus making Russia's job easier



    par far wrote:...And you don't to tell the Russians what the Nazis think about them, almost every Russian has someone that passed away in the Patriotic War.

    Someone has to since they are treating them better than they treat their own soldiers



    Two months ago everyone here was in agreement that Ukrainians are what Ukrainians are: Nazi inbred apes but today they suddenly became some NATO looking genius super-soldiers?

    Not a single thing about Ukrainians has changed since two months ago but everyone here started proclaiming them to be some kind warrior master race just so they could make excuses for Russian pussyfooting

    Apes should be dead but apes are still not dead, that's Russia’s omission not Ukrainian success

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    Post  Werewolf Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:50 pm

    Serberus wrote:
    GarryB wrote:How about a ethnic bomb... evidence from US bio weapons labs in the Ukraine... there should be a lot of very interesting material captured there... easily enough to isolate ethnic genes to allow groups to be targeted... Anglo saxons could be a start... this is the war the US is creating... Russia is just defending itself...

    Would be a good Bond movie...

    A Bond movie indeed.
    Even with my very limited knowledge on the subject,  I am fairly certain DNA and genes don’t work in a way that you can isolate a specific ethnic group. And that’s not even taking into account how mixed everyone is in the modern world.
    You compare a test DNA sample to a database of samples of which backgrounds are already known, and thats how you work out someones background, its literally just a comparison method, it is what these ancestry sites do, the actual DNA doesn’t carry that information in itself. Genes determine certain features but again not ethnicity.

    I guess you could theoretically try and target people with certain eye colour, hair colour, height etc using some gene based weapon, but that would have an impact across the board as most ethnicities share those traits.
    I think talk of ethnic specific bio weapons is BS but they were definitely cooking something up, and It wouldn’t surprise me if they used those Pro Russian people the SBU abducted over the years as test subjects.

    True, but, you could target the haplogroup and maybe even haplogroup markers which do reflect to very broad spectrum the ethnicity of an ethnic group. Let's assume your haplogroup is R1a (mostly russians) and the guys who want to see you dead, because you inhabit the richest country on earth, have haplogroup R1b (anglo-saxons). These both ethnicities are different and this is of course just uneducated guesses, but, they would be the able to target entire races/ethnicities if they have such technology and precision to target specific genetics like haplogroups and their markers. I bet they have researched that kind of capability for many years already.

    If they have have such a biological weapon then thermonuclear capabilities becomes a lower deadlines and threat than such bioweapons.

    If the enemy nukes you - you nuke back and know who to nuke. When someone wipes you and all your relative ethnicities out, what you do? Believe it was some asian biting the ass of a flying rat?

    Biological research is probably done more often for potential weaponized use than for anything good.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:54 pm

    franco wrote:Slavyangrad@NuestraIraSLG
    #UKRAINE/#RUSSIA—Losses of the #Ukrainian forces in #RF-led campaign, as of April 16, 2022, according to #Rybar, with access to internal #UA military reports:

    Tanks—485
    IFVs—1,526
    Personnel: 22,686 KIA, 15,182 WIA

    https://twitter.com/NuestraIraSLG/status/1515331112461033476?cxt=HHwWiICztcjnxIcqAAAA
    NOTE: this reports are fairly similar to the Russian military figures

    Hopefully this is correct

    Another digit on those numbers and this war will be worth it



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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:57 pm

    mnztr wrote:Z is saying if the Mariupol pocket is liquidated, then talks are off. So there is clearly someone valuable there. Russians should give them 24 hours before using thermobarics on the complex.

    Nope, they have to be left identifiable

    Preferably alive. But either way, identifiable

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    Post  caveat emptor Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:00 am

    General major Vladimir Frolov, deputy commander of the 8th army was burried today in St Peterburg.
    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/42844

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