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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Fri Apr 15, 2022 5:56 pm

    During the Malvinas War, the Argentines destroyed the HMS Invincible, which was the most important ship of the British. They deny it to this day and have the military archives closed.

    What annoys me is that Russia did not foresee this, the Ukrainians should be decimated in terms of air power. They should be in the Stone Age.
    And I say it again, it's a mistake not to kill Zielinsky. It would be a psychological blow.
    Mariupol MUST FALL ALREADY.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Apr 15, 2022 5:59 pm

    pavi wrote:
    Great military mind SunZi once pointed out that: Emperor shall not intervene generals duties. General shall not intervene head of cavalry duties. Head of cavalry shall not intervene archers duties unless he s´is exactly knowing what he is doing. My impression is, that this principle has been forgotten in this war.
    The great Clausewitch also defines war as a extreme violent act and therefore one should not try to think otherwise, because opponent will always do something worse and you keep revenging enemy's actions. These are lessons from two maybe most cited military thinkers of all time (amongst Julius Ceaser and Napoleon)

    Clausewitz was not around in the time of real-time media and propaganda war

    In this case the enemy with his propaganda dominance over his own territory, is trying to do extreme violent acts in order to put the blame on YOU whether through misinformation or provoking you to do the same back for real

    You can counter it only by refusing to do such acts yourself. Hence over time implicating THEM in everything.

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    Post  Belisarius Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:05 pm

    Scott Ritter: A Conversation About Ukraine Part 1
    https://youtu.be/-fNrnWxXhP0

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    Post  Belisarius Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:06 pm

    Belisarius wrote:Scott Ritter: A Conversation About Ukraine Part 1
    https://youtu.be/-fNrnWxXhP0

    Part 2
    https://youtu.be/jQSTHvD2z1c

    Defeatists can start watching this video from 16:40

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:07 pm

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:During the Malvinas War, the Argentines destroyed the HMS Invincible, which was the most important ship of the British. They deny it to this day and have the military archives closed.

    What annoys me is that Russia did not foresee this, the Ukrainians should be decimated in terms of air power. They should be in the Stone Age.
    And I say it again, it's a mistake not to kill Zielinsky. It would be a psychological blow.
    Mariupol MUST FALL ALREADY.

    Mariupol must be taken with the minimum loss of manpower possible, as those are experienced troops that we do not have an infinite supply of. If that requires a slow and methodical approach then so be it. In practice there is only Azovstal left, from which a breakthrough of whatever scale was attempted today and ended in disaster like the previous one attempted from the Illich factory. Nevertheless they still have considerable forces there.

    For the next urban battle it's necessary to introduce mini-UCAVs, robots, BMPTs, guided mortar shells and more specialist infantry equipment, as well as reorganizing to heed whatever lessons are learned from Mariupol. Many fighters have gained experience from Mariupol, and although many were lost - this is only a fraction of the total involved in the battle.

    The enemy meanwhile has been unable to preserve practically any of its fighters from Mariupol. Very few managed to sneak out. If we talk about Kharkov, they do nontheless have those who managed to withdraw from urban battles in outlying settlements such as Izyum, as well as a cadre of foreign mercs.
    They also know that there will be no evacuation for them, and that their leaders will order them to make suicide breakouts rather than have them surrender.

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    Post  par far Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:30 pm

    Belisarius wrote:
    Belisarius wrote:Scott Ritter: A Conversation About Ukraine Part 1
    https://youtu.be/-fNrnWxXhP0

    Part 2
    https://youtu.be/jQSTHvD2z1c

    Defeatists can start watching this video from 16:40



    These videos are 1 hour long, there is no way, they can sit through and listen to it.

    People that don't have military experience will just talk nonsense and that is what you here for the most part.

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    Post  Broski Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:37 pm

    So based on what we've seen so far in this war, does Russia plan to cleanse the whole of Ukraine of Neonazi Paramilitary groups or will it be limited to the LPR/DPR territories?
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:45 pm

    flamming_python wrote:The plant which makes Neptun missiles in Kiev was taken out last night. So I think it's pretty clear that the Ukrainian version of events is accurate....

    They were left standing this long into the war?

    Jesus Christ, the incompetence...



    Isos wrote:Rumours are that they will declare full war after this and the strike on russian territory very soon....

    Putting an end to pussyfooting would be more than enough, hopefully this is euphemism for that


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    Post  Isos Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:47 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:The plant which makes Neptun missiles in Kiev was taken out last night. So I think it's pretty clear that the Ukrainian version of events is accurate....

    They were left standing this long into the war?

    Jesus Christ, the incompetence...



    Isos wrote:Rumours are that they will declare full war after this and the strike on russian territory very soon....

    Putting an end to pussyfooting would be more than enough, hopefully this is euphemism for that



    Agree with you. Such plant should have been taken out at the begining.

    The attitude of superiority of the russians is what destroyed that ship. If they have taken seriously the threat of Neptune, eventhough it was produced at one sample, they would have had that ship still sailing.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:56 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:The plant which makes Neptun missiles in Kiev was taken out last night. So I think it's pretty clear that the Ukrainian version of events is accurate....

    They were left standing this long into the war?

    Jesus Christ, the incompetence...

    I was surprised too

    But I doubt it's incompetence on the part of the military and intel. They knew where this factory was

    Probably another 'agreement' with Russia that the Ukrainian side of course or whatever oligarch, decided to go back on at a moment that happened to be convenient for them

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:57 pm

    zorobabel wrote:It looks like the American loitering Switchblade drones have arrived on the Donbass front. Two were used today in fighting:

    https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1514991506486181899

    They didn't do any damage to the tanks they were launched at

    Apparently Ukrainian operators are still learning how to use them

    Now would be a good time to scramble the GPS signals in the Donbass though.

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    Post  Belisarius Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:02 pm

    🇷🇺🇺🇦❗Air defense fighters of the Vistula division destroyed the Ukrainian Su-25 on the line of contact in the Slavic direction.

    This is the third Ukrainian plane shot down by our guys in a few days.

    APU pilots operate at altitudes of 20-30 meters. And they get ambushed.
    https://t.me/intelslava/25403

    🇷🇺🇺🇦❗The attempt of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to break through to Azovstal in Mariupol was thwarted

    Up to 200 Ukrainian soldiers with equipment tried to break through to the Azovstal plant. Thanks to the competent actions of the allied forces, the Ukrainian column did not reach the goal
    https://t.me/intelslava/25404

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    Post  Firebird Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:06 pm

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:During the Malvinas War, the Argentines destroyed the HMS Invincible, which was the most important ship of the British. They deny it to this day and have the military archives closed.

    What annoys me is that Russia did not foresee this, the Ukrainians should be decimated in terms of air power. They should be in the Stone Age.
    And I say it again, it's a mistake not to kill Zielinsky. It would be a psychological blow.
    Mariupol MUST FALL ALREADY.

    The Invincible was a small aircraft carrying cruiser ship.
    I think it was 4 ships - frigates, destroyers, landing ship and also merchant ships according to British records.

    Britain had 3 ships of that class officially. I don't follow how Britain could hide such a sinking? I know the British Establishment is as crooked as it gets, but it would be something quite hard to pull off even in the preinternet era.. I would have thought.

    I think Argentina sunk a big ship the Atlantic Conveyor which was a merchant ie civil ship converted to military use.

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    Post  Firebird Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:07 pm

    Broski wrote:So based on what we've seen so far in this war, does Russia plan to cleanse the whole of Ukraine of Neonazi Paramilitary groups or will it be limited to the LPR/DPR territories?

    Nope this is much too big an operation for just LPR and DPR.
    Denazification is happening in Zaporizhia, Kherson and into other oblasts already, as well as Donbass.

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    Post  Krepost Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:15 pm

    KREMENCHUK has been captured in Mariopol Port:

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:18 pm

    pavi wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:The reason such crimes occur firstly , is due to incompetent policy

    Why guys are castrated? They were captured,  why? Because they were told to advance without objective

    Why ropucha was lost? It was just chilling in Port where Ukros had tochka nearby , whole units intact with rockets and artillery , but noone considered them a threat until airfield with helicopters and a ropucha were lost

    Why moskva sank? Either mines were sent from Odessa,  or neptun , both occurred due to inaction taken in Odessa sector, by hitting Odessa, and keeping the ship away from the coast until a landing was ready

    Why belgorod was hit? Well army left chernigov, leaving the approach totally open  , instead of destroying those units,  they were left intact , an s400 just downed their MI8, but more of too little too late

    These blunders don't speak of bad military , but of bad political leadership which have asked of the military an impossible task , "special military operation "

    Such a fantasy could only be conjured by the clowns of the Kremlin, the MOD is not responsible to tailor some made up bullshit for political whores

    But should have adamantly said, no we don't do "special military operations" only war, so fire me if you proceed with this stupid shit

    But this is where this had lead, eventually the clown show in Kremlin will accept that retard military operations don't exist, and that they are fighting a war

    But it will take some more blunders to toughen the policy and let the military do what is needed sadly

    Great military mind SunZi once pointed out that: Emperor shall not intervene generals duties. General shall not intervene head of cavalry duties. Head of cavalry shall not intervene archers duties unless he s´is exactly knowing what he is doing. My impression is, that this principle has been forgotten in this war.
    The great Clausewitch also defines war as a extreme violent act and therefore one should not try to think otherwise, because opponent will always do something worse and you keep revenging enemy's actions. These are lessons from two maybe most cited military thinkers of all time (amongst Julius Ceaser and Napoleon)




    Lack of retribution will only encourage them to continue with their war crimes.


    http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/460/land-zamosc-zamojszczyzna-1942-1944



    Ancient mystics and their philosophical bull-shit can only go so far, until you screw yourself basing all your actions on their "ideals."



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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:29 pm

    Isos wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:The plant which makes Neptun missiles in Kiev was taken out last night. So I think it's pretty clear that the Ukrainian version of events is accurate....

    They were left standing this long into the war?

    Jesus Christ, the incompetence...



    Isos wrote:Rumours are that they will declare full war after this and the strike on russian territory very soon....

    Putting an end to pussyfooting would be more than enough, hopefully this is euphemism for that



    Agree with you. Such plant should have been taken out at the begining.

    The attitude of superiority of the russians is what destroyed that ship. If they have taken seriously the threat of Neptune, eventhough it was produced at one sample, they would have had that ship still sailing.

    The arrogance of it is mind numbing

    They did the same shit in Grozny where they sent guys deep without clearing outskirts of cities,

    In this case they did not go into cities, but replicated the idea by sending guys to outrun their own fuel and supply lines early on

    Same shit sending a ship near a coastline without bombardment or checking what was there

    It's grozny and grachev all over again

    Plague in the general staff and the firefighter defense minister

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:31 pm

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:During the Malvinas War, the Argentines destroyed the HMS Invincible, which was the most important ship of the British. They deny it to this day and have the military archives closed.

    What annoys me is that Russia did not foresee this, the Ukrainians should be decimated in terms of air power. They should be in the Stone Age.
    And I say it again, it's a mistake not to kill Zielinsky. It would be a psychological blow.
    Mariupol MUST FALL ALREADY.

    That's silly.
    It may be that they have damaged it, as some Argentine pilots say, but from there to sinking it, there is no evidence.
    Moreover, there are images of the Invincible, after the conflict.

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    Post  Hole Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:12 pm

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #12 - Page 10 Scree204
    Azovstal was bombed by Tu-22M3´s.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:15 pm

    https://t.me/intelslava/25407

    HOLY **** YEAH BOMBS AWAY MOTHERFUCKERS

    SOMEONE GOT THE MEMO

    KEEP RUNS GOING DONBASS NEXT

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    Post  Stealthflanker Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:21 pm

    Hope they got the M3's protected well. I'm still remember 2008's where they lost an M3. due to Buk.

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:21 pm

    Hole wrote:https://i.servimg.com/u/f10/19/89/13/22/scree204.jpg

    Azovstal was bombed by Tu-22M3´s.

    Oh f*ck yeah finally!!!

    Tu-22s finally show up, 50 days overdue


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    Post  Arrow Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:27 pm



    This is the TOS shelling. Three weeks ago.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:29 pm

    par far wrote:
    Belisarius wrote:
    Belisarius wrote:Scott Ritter: A Conversation About Ukraine Part 1
    https://youtu.be/-fNrnWxXhP0
    Part 2
    https://youtu.be/jQSTHvD2z1c

    Defeatists can start watching this video from 16:40
    These videos are 1 hour long, there is no way, they can sit through and listen to it.

    People that don't have military experience will just talk nonsense and that is what you here for the most part.

    Not sure who that comment was aimed at but Scott Ritter is rather well qualified to comment on war matters.

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