Again, these shit tons of weapons will inevitably inflict some casualties on RU/LDNR forces, just by pure mathematics, but effectively so? Turning the tide? I highly, highly doubt it.
Hopefully the net effect is more interceptions in western Ukraine where the nazis live and civilian deaths are less of an issue in my mind.
More trains blown up in those regions would be a good thing and make the locals feel more a part of a war they were happy with until a month or so ago...
It's a catastrophe, as now Kiev got what it wanted, a way to prevent a rout in the Donbass
Unbunch your panties little girl, fires happen... it is in no way related to the coming attack on Ukrainian forces.
Either way Kalibrating everything in sight in response will be an act of vengeance and therefore weakness.
Taking advantage of such an escalation to hit targets you haven't been hitting so far is normal and sensible... just like responding to ambushes by hitting local enemy Barracks... it deters the enemy from fighting back because when they do it only ends up hurting them more.
This act weakens the whole 'special military operation' line.
Bullshit. This is war and things get hit and damaged and destroyed in war. That is normal.
Unfortunately this time Kiev and its NATO allies combined a psychological operation with a real one, that does damage the defensive and offensive capability of the Black Sea Fleet. Which is now left without S-300F cover offshore. Thankfully the S-400s in the Crimea still cover it.
It is a very old ship that would be retired already if there was a replacement available for it, stop being a dick.
It'll be done one way or the other but I'm just saying that Russia is its own worst enemy.
The US is Russias enemy, there is no worse enemy possible... but lucky they are not the smartest.
They need to shape up
You need to shut up. Why believe anything the Nazis say?
I would suspect if anything it might have hit one of the mines they released into the black sea, in which case being a big ship is a handicap rather than an advantage.
Now there will be another month of "Russky Korabl idi naxuj!" instead of surrendering like a sensible person would
Even if Kiev surrendered right now how many nazis are going to put down their weapons?
They know they are going to jail if they are lucky.
Yet it seems that TASS, RT have quoted the MoD as saying that something blew up and the crew was evacuated
Meanwhile there is no statement on the MoD site as yet
Might have hit a mine.
Na all Ukraine will be dancing on the streets and NATO media will spin is as 'the defiance of the Ukrainian people against Russian tyranny' and so on. The Ukrainian troops in cauldrons are on amphetamines and other drugs, they don't need an excuse to celebrate.
Who cares. The operation will continue until it is job done... whether they feel happy when they die or sad... makes no difference.
And honestly it's hard to disagree. It's a brilliant victory of the underdog on several levels and just what the regime needs right now.
Brilliant victory... you don't even know what happened... but you support the nazis anyway... what a patriot.
How can anyone accuse flaming of being emotional
What other reaction can you have watching this buffoonery?
You don't even know what happened and you call it buffoonery... congrats for your support of Nazi Kiev, I am sure Zelensky will be sending you your commendation medals in the post... they are out of metal so they will just be certificates written on rice paper...
Because I'm tired. I'm just tired. And I haven't even fought yet. It's just exhausting watching this all play out. And for the men on the frontline I feel sad. Really on both sides even. Because of this Hollywood shitshow, the war will just drag on.
I'll wait for mobilization. At this rate NATO will come in confident its facing a paper tiger, and we'll have a real mess to contend with.
With your temperament perhaps it makes sense for you to take a break from the internet for a few weeks and just ignore the situation for a bit because you are clearly not mature enough or patriotic enough to handle this.
There are 2 types of men:
- The real ones
- The weaklings
You will recognize the difference during war time.
To be good at chess you need to be prepared to lose pieces... even important pieces to win.
War is not a game and the consequences are real, but fires that lead to ammo explosions can happen any time and anywhere... during wars or during peace time, and it is the pussies who over react and blame Putin and tell us this is the end.
I would tell them to go to the kitchen and cry with the women but that would be an insult to the women.
Amusing they have no idea what even happened but it is all the fault of command because during war time everything should be kept safe from enemy action or mistake or accident... obviously.
Would NATO let this happen? **** no
HATO is letting this happen... they have men on the ground in the Ukraine and are not doing one thing to help except send inferior weapons and verbal support on western media.
IEDs killed HATO troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. The USS Cole was rammed by a speed boat filled with explosives for fucks sake.
And then Trump decided he wanted to pull US troops out of Afghanistan and so all of HATO had to follow because they are bitches... trillions of dollars thousands of lives 20 odd years... hundreds of millions of dollars of equipment handed to the enemy... but that is war.
And the more you rationalize it the more I see all of you as a bunch of commissar punks who just want to send Russians to die
You don't get it... we are the west... all Russians have to die and by invading the Ukraine and destroying the Zelensky regime and killing all our nazi proxies you are making it much harder for us to kill Russians.
If Putin was so fucking stupid why does the western world want him on trial and in prison... if he was fucking things up for Russia they would give him a Nobel Peace Prize and talking about him like he was the greatest Russian leader ever.
They seem to hate him even more now... perhaps he has thwarted their plans again...
But the flagship of the BSF? Goddd-daaamn
Bout time they started laying down new Destroyers anyway...
There is only one fast solution in terms of large surface ships for Russia and that is to forget about pride and to order Chinese Type 052D destroyers.
Rubbish, there is no hurry. The enlarged Gorshkov Frigates need to be put into the water and tested and then put into mass production if they are OK and then some new Destroyers laid down.
The threat of a naval engagement is near zero... having 12 brand new Cruisers in service right now would mean didly squat in this situation.
Any naval threat from HATo towards Russia can more easily be dealt with using MiG-31Ks and Kinzhals and soon ship and sub and land based Zircons and Onyx etc etc etc.
One would think if we were gearing up to this big confrontation with NATO, that the procedure would be practiced a little bit.
An actual conflict with HATO will involve nuclear weapons... not troops.
The big thing I learned, going back to the 9/11 events and the start of the war on terror, is that the western media is not honest.
Are people like Scott Ritter, The Duran and Pepe honest, not always but in my experience, they are more honest than the western media.
Agree with you but a tiny quibble.... the western media are purposefully not honest. Ritter and Duran and Pepe are honest... they can be wrong but are not willfully wrong to sway an audience to a way of thinking... the difference is that Ritter and Duran and Pepe tend to want to find the truth and interpret that for their audience... the western media seek to decide the truth for their audience.... they know it is not true because they know they pulled it from their arse...
I refuse to believe that it was sunk. It has osas, ak-630, multiple radars all optimized for subsonic sea skimming missiles. Its most likely damaged.
The Uran is a decent missile but its air defences should have been able to deal with a sea skimmer like that fairly easily, but if it hit a mine then radars don't really help and being a big ship reduces your chances of sinking but increase your chances of hitting the mine.
However, the Third World War will start sooner, because the West obviously wants to disappear together with Russia.
Except for submarines the Russian Navy will be useless in WWIII.
The Russian Navys future is all about supporting and protecting Russian trade with the rest of the world, which means more funding and support than they have had so far, but no need to panic... the growth of the Russian navy is about supporting international trade and international allies... not for fighting WWIII with the west.
2) the Ukrainians got a new missile from NATO and somehow managed to hit the ship
HATO doesn't have any Anti ship missiles better than Uran.
Well so far Ukraine each time was able to rise to the challenge and increase the stakes.
No. It has Russia on top of it sinking a knife into its chest and it is squealing about its victories which mostly turn out to be provocations or lies.
Victories like I slept with your mum always turn out false because he has no dick and mum likes a good sized dick.
In my eyes Putin made huge strategical mistake from which there is no easy way out right now... US intelligence agencies already are counting that Russian overall military power decreased 15-20% because of losses in Ukraine
Those same agencies that ignored Russian warnings about 11/9 and also couldn't find WMDs in Iraq... yeah... who cares what they say.
If the Moskva only had one SAM guidance radar, so it was only able to track one target for engagement. If that is correct, the TB2 could have performed two roles. Provide targeting data for the missiles, as well as act as a decoy target.
Hahahahaha... you are so funny... the Moskva has search radars and tracking radars, the search radars can detect hundreds of targets and keep track of them. The naval version of the S-300F can track 6 targets at once while guiding 12 missiles towards those targets. In addition it has two naval OSA missiles which are effective against sea skimming subsonic missiles and drones, as well as 6 x 30mm gatling guns and 130mm guns as well, each with radar guidance and the ability to independently shoot down subsonic targets at a range of distances.
You would need a dozen incoming anti ship missiles before it even became challenging.
This war showed that it's better to have 4 frigates instead of 1 cruiser
Not at all. Corvettes and Frigates make sense near Russian coastal areas but half a world away you need cruisers and destroyers and some air power too.
But there are indicators that rate of loss of equipment is bigger than anything Russia faced so far after the second world war which is not good sign,
It is actually a great sign... a peer enemy trained and supplied and supported by HATO and it is being crushed by a force a fraction of the size of the side it is fighting.... these results are outstanding and I honestly don't think HATO could do better against the Ukraine... going by their exercises recently I would say they couldn't even do what Russia is doing.
theory: And then the resulting explosions/fire was reported by NATO surveillance as "looking real bad", and then, full of hope for an imminent total loss, UA went all-in with the propaganda?
Maybe when they get it back to port they will find some Iraqi WMDs...
Mine maybe, it hits, caused explosion and fires in some magazine. But the crew finally managed to control it.
Only thing that makes sense to me... or ammo coming loose in a storm and starting a fire.
And to thank you once again for easing our suffering about МОСКВА. If they already claim that the "main weaponс" did not explode, then it could be that there was an explosion of missiles from the S-300F system or what, a mine?
Could have been OSA... or 130mm ammo.
This is a very good thing. Sure, astronomical amounts of money have disappeared out of Russia thanks to the epic rape, and hopes of getting any back are now entirely gone. But at least it won't continue.
The thing is that the west is no longer safe so not only will the money stop leaving Russia, a lot of it will likely come back before it gets seized by western politicians...
They need to fire half of their staff and Putin need to stop giving stupid orders.
Amazed at your knowledge of what is happening... which particular orders do you think Putin is giving?
That's all russian's fault. They haven't tracked and destroy the few missiles ukraine had.
Hahahaha... just like HATO just destroyed all of Saddams Scud missiles on day one of Desert Storm.
The way HATO obliterated all of Serbias air defence systems on day one of the conflict in Kosovo.
The way all IEDs and VIEDs were tracked down and eliminated in Afghanistan and Iraq.
The way Irans ballistic missiles were eliminated so they could not be used against US forces in Iraq.
The way Houthi drones and cruise missiles were all tracked down and eliminated before they could do billions of dollars in damage to Saudi Arabias oil infrastructure, despite billions being spent on defence...
Destroying their communications would mean you don't know where their operational ambush teams are, and you can't listen in to what is being said or done.
they haven't destroyed their internet coverage and more importantly they haven't decapitated their military since Zelensky, def minister and generals are still managing the war from Kiev.
They are using the internet to share the truth about what is happening to each other.... when large groups of Ukrainian solders either die or surrender it will be useful for that information to spread via the internet.
And Zelensky is a dumb
and their generals are idiots... why remove them and risk their replacements actually being competent... or are you believing western propaganda too?
It was totally useless in the black sea.
It was a suitable flagship... without upgrades wouldn't be much good anywhere else but in the Black Sea it looks impressive and imposing and those missiles can still hit land targets. To use it anywhere else it would need an upgrade so keeping it where it was was the best solution.
But people here and the cult they have surrounding Kremlin won't listen to reason
They'd rather send Russians to the meat grinder just to be proven right
Yes because obviously Russian problems are Putin because he is solving this situation, rather than the US and west who fucking created this situation in the first place.
Obviously you need to panic and throw your toys and then you need to rise up and overthrow Putin obviously... then what... welcome the US into Russia because they want to be friends now that Navalny is in charge.
Of course the war would have been won quickly
But there is no accountability
Are you a fucking moron... you are fighting nazis who have been killing what they thought were Russian civilians for the last 8 years... they know they are going to jail and will not be interested in any sort of surrender.
But if Russians die, due to an inept leadership, it makes you emotional
Like a cheese eating surrender monkey of the female teenage persuasion...
Then again for westerners , it's all about trending views and good content to root for your favorite nazi/Russian so why should they give a **** anyway
Of course... I know I am just here for the likes...
But a mine, wouldn't that realistically impact more towards the bow, and thus not affect the propulsion, plus actually make it real hard to tow it? And the "main missile armament" that was reportedly unharmed is also foreward.
Not necessarily... was the ship moving, what were the currents in the area?
What sort of mine was it... was it floating or on the sea bed...
Russia should get China to build some of their ships, like the Gorshkov and Super Gorshkov, as well as landing ships
Russia can build its own ships, China will need its own ships... they are likely to be next and there is no Turkey to block US SSNs in their situation.
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The source of fire on the cruiser "Moskva" is localized. There is no open fire. Explosions of ammunition have been stopped.
We needed an adult in the forum to step up and quell the rioting children with some solid facts.
