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Podlodka77 Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:29 pm

Lavrov says wave of Russophobia has exposed latent Western racism

According to the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, calls of Ukrainian politicians to discriminate and ostracize Russians are worrying

MOSCOW, 11 April. /TASS/. The speed with which the wave of Russophobia has spread in Western countries suggests that latent racism has always been present there. This was stated by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in an interview with the Rossiya-24 TV channel.

"The speed, the instantaneousness with which this Russophobic wave was launched, says that, as one of the American researchers wrote, that latent racism has not gone anywhere from Europe," the minister said.

According to Lavrov, the situation with discrimination against Russians has demonstrated that political correctness and other conventions in the West no longer exist. "And just as Hitler mobilized his society and other European countries against the Jews, in particular, there, by the way, he did not forget about the Slavs either, but now the Russian is the "fas" command," the Russian Foreign Minister added.

The minister also noted that the calls of Ukrainian politicians to discriminate and ostracize Russians cause concern. "And when Ukrainian leaders say that almost their ministers say that a good Russian is a dead Russian, and any other Russian is a bad Russian. Ministers say that Europe should discriminate and ostracize all Russians, because that now there is no time to figure out whether this particular Russian is for Putin or he is against Putin. They just say it in plain text. Therefore, yes, this is a serious thing," Lavrov concluded.

https://tass.ru/politika/14343835

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PapaDragon Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:35 pm

SolidarityWithRussia wrote:How much professional manpower does the Ukrainian army have left? I wonder how the Ukrainians are going to handle the flood of weapons from the West that may include heavy equipment.

Professionalism doesn't matter, they will all pick up the gun and banzai charge the moment the man on big TV tells them to

They all need to be methodically exterminated, this whole thing is 80 years overdue

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flamming_python Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:36 pm

Podlodka77 wrote:

Zhukov's words belong in a different era.

The era now though is that we've already killed too many. And many of whom we killed aren't the real criminals and radicals; a lot of them are chilling in Europe or Western Ukraine.
And real criminals and radicals we'll only make more of.

The reality is that unless we now somehow pull off a complete occupation of Ukrainian territory, and probably even if we do - we'll be faced with terrorist attacks inside Russia. And potentially more horrible than anything the Chechens pulled off. We could be seeing the poisoning of water supplies for entire cities. Anything goes when it comes to the Banderites.

The radicalization of part of the 2% of the population of Russia which is ethnic Ukrainian. The neo-nazification of a larger part of the Ukrainian population, facilities in Lithuania, Poland, etc... to arm and train them and provide bases of operations. Secure communication lines impervious to Russian interception, even via just social media networks outside of Russian control. And the entire West basically funding a massive terrorist movement to kill Russians in Russia, never mind any insurgency operations in the Ukraine.

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TASS.RU

The largest German defense concern Rheinmetall plans to supply Ukraine with up to 50 used Leopard 1 battle tanks and up to 60 decommissioned Marder infantry fighting vehicles, said the head of the company, Armin Papperger.

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flamming_python Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:37 pm

Broski wrote:

flamming_python wrote:And Putin's fault, to be honest.

Of course, it's always Putin's fault.

Putin and all his people who planned this fk-up of an operation, and didn't manage to avoid this war in the first place

It's Putin's fault that NATO+Banderistan was hell bent on starting a war with Russia and finally got their wish. You really are a piece of sh*t, flamming.

No it's Putin's fault that he didn't outsmart them

And that when he couldn't, he wasn't smart enough to figure out and counter their strategies. Instead now we get all this.

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zorobabel Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:40 pm

https://t.me/mig41/16358 - Reinforcements heading to the Battle of the Donbas.

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PapaDragon Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:48 pm

flamming_python wrote:The era now though is that we've already killed too many...

You are in this shitstorm because you didn't kill enough before this

I don't see anyone causing trouble against USA in Japan do I?

flamming_python wrote:we'll be faced with terrorist attacks inside Russia. And potentially more horrible than anything the Chechens pulled off. ...

You are giving these zombies too much credit

And even if they try keep in mind that dead people can't do terrorists attacks

flamming_python wrote:...We could be seeing the poisoning of water supplies for entire cities....

If you allow someone to poison your water supply then it's entirely your fault

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Serberus Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:49 pm

flamming_python wrote:

Broski wrote:

flamming_python wrote:And Putin's fault, to be honest.

Of course, it's always Putin's fault.

Putin and all his people who planned this fk-up of an operation, and didn't manage to avoid this war in the first place

It's Putin's fault that NATO+Banderistan was hell bent on starting a war with Russia and finally got their wish. You really are a piece of sh*t, flamming.

No it's Putin's fault that he didn't outsmart them

And that when he couldn't, he wasn't smart enough to figure out and counter their strategies. Instead now we get all this.

Which strategies would you employ to keep peace with an empire hell bent on your destruction? The US will never tolerate a prosperous, self determined Russia. At best they will tolerate a weak and poor state as was in the 90’s but otherwise they want you wiped from the planet. This is not an enemy you fight with words, flowers and agreements they will never adhere to. Same goes for their puppets in Kiev.

It also didn’t take much for them to turn Ukraine into an anti Russian Nazi state which says everything about the potential to make or keep the peace with them, I am not sure if you have had a blind fold over your eyes for the past 8 years, or you just don’t care, but the only evidence you need that peace was never an option, is what Kiev did to the people of Donbas, with full support from majority of Ukrainians.
This was always going to end with an armed confrontation , wether you choose to see it or not.

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Stealthflanker Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:51 pm

Aftermath vid of the close encounters with the tank.

https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/53

ugh.

But no sign of the tank.

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Serberus Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:56 pm

I suggest you maybe take a peek at the previous posts before posting yourself, the tank video, aftermath and theories of how why and who…. have all been posted and discussed to death already.

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Serberus wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Broski wrote:

flamming_python wrote:And Putin's fault, to be honest.

Of course, it's always Putin's fault.

Putin and all his people who planned this fk-up of an operation, and didn't manage to avoid this war in the first place

It's Putin's fault that NATO+Banderistan was hell bent on starting a war with Russia and finally got their wish. You really are a piece of sh*t, flamming.

No it's Putin's fault that he didn't outsmart them

And that when he couldn't, he wasn't smart enough to figure out and counter their strategies. Instead now we get all this.

Which strategies would you employ to keep peace with an empire hell bent on your destruction? The US will never tolerate a prosperous, self determined Russia. At best they will accept a clown state as was in the 90 but otherwise they want you wiped from the planet. This is not an enemy you fight with words, flowers and agreements they will never adhere to. That goes for their puppets in Kiev.

It also didn’t take much for them to turn Ukraine into an anti Russian Nazi state which says everything about the potential to make peace with even them, I am not sure if you have had a blind fold over your eyes or you just don’t care, but the only evidence you need that peace was never an option, is what Kiev did to the people of Donbas, with full support from majority of Ukrainians.
This was always going to end with an armed confrontation , wether you choose to see it or not.

Much like how the conflict is a cold shower for the Ukrainian Urraa! people and will be ever so when the conflict is over, the same will be for our friend here when the conflict is over. Lots of different strategies, lots of different options but I honestly think that Russia made the right now. They tried option 1 - to get the Ukrainian government to fold. They did not as they sit comfortably behind NATO borders and every now and then move around with their "partners". For Russian's, this conflict was a cold shower for many of those that had the illusion that western countries hold Russia in any kind of regard, or could have held Russian in any kind of regard to those of Germany and the rest. But in the end, they wanted servitude much to like Poland, Romania, and others. I understand Flamings frustration - he feels that this could have been prevented much earlier in the situation - back in 2014/2015. And I honestly agree. This was a tactical blunder for Russia since at the time they could have nipped this in the bud. But Russia didn't act then so it had to act now. Many good guys were lost back then too from the DNR and LPR side that if were alive today, could have been very valuable assets in these battles.

But to dwell on the past and the "what if" is moot. We are here now, the Russians are fighting this battle now. And given the situation and how delicate of a task it is, I commend them for their work. They are trying to keep at least most valuable things in tact - people and industries/buildings/utilities. This will make the transitions much easier into the new system once its over.

To assume that things would all be hunky dory if Russia simply carpet bombed the country then moved in and everyone would act servitude, I doubt it. Using Japan and Germany as examples is an interesting one and I understand what Papa is saying, but at the same time too, Japan is culturally very different than eastern European. They are more calculative and thus have to make best with what they got. But to think that Japanese people are A-OK with US occupation of Japan, that is factually incorrect. There are monthly protests in Okinawa where the US is based. Had cousins live there for quite a few years to tell me about it. It is where most of the rapes, murders and other rather strong atrocities happen at the hands of the US personnel that live there.

As for Germany, well, it was just once again heavy indoctrination. Doesn't mean all of Germany is like it either. Its just that once again, they got a servitude government - and thats the key point. If you own the billionairs and the politicians, it really doesn't matter what the average person thinks or does. Instead, the cheapest form of getting people onto your side is simply blast them with propaganda 24/7 from multitude of different stations that read from the same script and make it look like they are all independent but in reality, get paid for by the same NGO's.

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flamming_python Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:03 pm

Serberus wrote:Which strategies would you employ to keep peace with an empire hell bent on your destruction? The US will never tolerate a prosperous, self determined Russia. At best they will tolerate a weak and poor state as was in the 90’s but otherwise they want you wiped from the planet. This is not an enemy you fight with words, flowers and agreements they will never adhere to. Same goes for their puppets in Kiev.

It also didn’t take much for them to turn Ukraine into an anti Russian Nazi state which says everything about the potential to make peace with even them, I am not sure if you have had a blind fold over your eyes for the past 8 years, or you just don’t care, but the only evidence you need that peace was never an option, is what Kiev did to the people of Donbas, with full support from majority of Ukrainians.
This was always going to end with an armed confrontation , wether you choose to see it or not.

Peace is always in the best interest to the majority of any population. So it was with the Ukrainian population since 2014 to now. It's the regimes that drive and manipulate things and the one in Kiev is the most insidious of all, with all the backing of the spin-masters in Washington. Maybe it fooled enough people in 2014-2015 and silenced others, but even Zelensky was elected on a platform of ending the war and improving ties with Russia.

And between the Russian and Ukrainian population there isn't any difference. It's the same greater people who spent most of history as part of the same state. It's like if an Israel-Palestine situation were to develop between Libyans and Egyptians, or Ecuadorians and Bolivians. At any rate such a relationship between Russians and Ukrainians is what the Kiev regime is attempting to provoke, and looking at the way things are going, they might succeed.

The US is a different matter, you can't give them windows to embed themselves in neighboring states, and when they do - you have to remove them carefully and surgically.
It's Russia's handling of the Ukraine issue, and before 2014 even, that has led to where we are now. Too many mistakes, missed opportunities, and naive points of view. And we continue to see that over the course of this whole fking operation and all its changes of strategy and swapping of commanders - in case it wasn't obvious earlier in peacetime.

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flamming_python Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:11 pm

PapaDragon wrote:If you allow someone to poison your water supply then it's entirely your fault

Only who's this someone

It's someone who looks like you, talks like you, can't be differentiated from you - but is not you, because they are a Ukrainian nationalist who hates your guts and wants to murder civilians.
And they may well have all the Russian passports which were handed out like candy over the last 30 years, be born in Russia, and whatever else.

How do you guard against something like that?

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PapaDragon Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:30 pm

flamming_python wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:If you allow someone to poison your water supply then it's entirely your fault

Only who's this someone

It's someone who looks like you, talks like you, can't be differentiated from you - but is not you, because they are a Ukrainian nationalist who hates your guts and wants to murder civilians.
And they may well have all the Russian passports which were handed out like candy over the last 30 years, be born in Russia, and whatever else.

How do you guard against something like that?

With security and surveillance same as everyone else

You think nobody is trying to poison American water supplies?

Difference is that Americans are on top of that shit and are doing their jobs, I suggest you do yours

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flamming_python Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:46 pm

PapaDragon wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:If you allow someone to poison your water supply then it's entirely your fault

Only who's this someone

It's someone who looks like you, talks like you, can't be differentiated from you - but is not you, because they are a Ukrainian nationalist who hates your guts and wants to murder civilians.
And they may well have all the Russian passports which were handed out like candy over the last 30 years, be born in Russia, and whatever else.

How do you guard against something like that?

With security and surveillance same as everyone else

You think nobody is trying to poison American water supplies?

Difference is that Americans are on top of that shit and are doing their jobs, I suggest you do yours

Going by the Russian record to date, it'll have to happen at least once before Russia takes the threat seriously.

These people just cannot make contingencies ahead of time.

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PapaDragon Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:48 pm

flamming_python wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:If you allow someone to poison your water supply then it's entirely your fault

Only who's this someone

It's someone who looks like you, talks like you, can't be differentiated from you - but is not you, because they are a Ukrainian nationalist who hates your guts and wants to murder civilians.
And they may well have all the Russian passports which were handed out like candy over the last 30 years, be born in Russia, and whatever else.

How do you guard against something like that?

With security and surveillance same as everyone else

You think nobody is trying to poison American water supplies?

Difference is that Americans are on top of that shit and are doing their jobs, I suggest you do yours

Going by the Russian record to date, it'll have to happen at least once before Russia takes the threat seriously.

These people just cannot make contingencies ahead of time.

You are the ones who want to be big boys on the block so I suggest you put on your big boy pants

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Serberus Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:50 pm

Water supplies aside, Mariupol port has been fully liberated.

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flamming_python Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:54 pm

PapaDragon wrote:I don't see anyone causing trouble against USA in Japan do I?

The trouble with bringing up Germany and Japan and their acceptance of their beat down and occupation is:

1. They were the aggressors and they know it. The Ukronazis for all their worthlessness, did not attack any other countries, nor the Crimea. Thus there will always be a strong Ukrainian indignation, even if it was true that they were planning to start some shit. We'll never know. History is what was, not what if

2. Japan ended up as the 3rd largest economy in the world and Germany as the center of the EU. They both enjoy among the highest living standards in the world. There is no motive for them to bring up past grievances and attempt to change the status quo. Their current situation offers them more than their militancy ever did.
The Ukraine on the other hand has to be occupied first, fully. Then some kind of state has to be created, that would stabilize things, battle against an insurgency, and start to offer people social guarantees and jobs. Then it would have to become prosperous. And all the while the EU and America will be doing their upmost to sabotage things and avoid any trade with whatever administration is installed in the Ukraine.
So we're looking at a return to the USSR situation. But in the mind of the common Ukrainian, formulated by their capital-loving oligarch ruling class - the USSR is what they 'escaped from', and they don't want to go back. Realistically, how prosperous could Russia make the Ukraine? This is only possible if Russia & China successfully reform the world order and dethrone the USD and the whole Western financial system. But China is chilling at the beach right now sipping a martini, while Russia is receiving all the flak fire and then some.[/quote]

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Isos Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:56 pm

US is poisoning its own waters for decades. Las Vegas has already emptied a big lake. Next US wars will be for water and it will be in Canada. Just a matter of time before they considere Trudeua as a bloody dictator.

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flamming_python Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:57 pm

PapaDragon wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:If you allow someone to poison your water supply then it's entirely your fault

Only who's this someone

It's someone who looks like you, talks like you, can't be differentiated from you - but is not you, because they are a Ukrainian nationalist who hates your guts and wants to murder civilians.
And they may well have all the Russian passports which were handed out like candy over the last 30 years, be born in Russia, and whatever else.

How do you guard against something like that?

With security and surveillance same as everyone else

You think nobody is trying to poison American water supplies?

Difference is that Americans are on top of that shit and are doing their jobs, I suggest you do yours

Going by the Russian record to date, it'll have to happen at least once before Russia takes the threat seriously.

These people just cannot make contingencies ahead of time.

You are the ones who want to be big boys on the block so I suggest you put on your big boy pants

Not up to me, it's up to the generals

And they're busy right now bombing some military base in Odessa, killing a bunch of young servicemen, likely locals called up - probably evaporating whatever latent support Russia could have counted on from the city. And all because no-one attempted an amphibious landing there after all and instead Kiev has been given plenty of time to enact mobilization

But hey at least Arkhangelsk is happy that we're now 'going in hard'

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flamming_python wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:I don't see anyone causing trouble against USA in Japan do I?

The trouble with bringing up Germany and Japan and their acceptance of their beat down and occupation is:

1. They were the aggressors and they know it. The Ukronazis for all their worthlessness, did not attack any other countries, nor the Crimea. Thus there will always be a strong Ukrainian indignation, even if it was true that they were planning to start some shit. We'll never know. History is what was, not what if

So Banderistan murdering 14 000 Russian civilians in Donbas is not an aggression to you? While you keep crying over Wehrmacht soldiers dying but seem to be all too happy for them to keep shelling and killing the people of Donbas.
I can see why some think you’re a Ukranian.

This should cheer you up
https://t.me/milinfolive/80928

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Podlodka77 wrote:TASS.RU

The largest German defense concern Rheinmetall plans to supply Ukraine with up to 50 used Leopard 1 battle tanks and up to 60 decommissioned Marder infantry fighting vehicles, said the head of the company, Armin Papperger.

Great idea. Nobody trained to use the stuff. No trained mechanics. No spare parts. thumbsup

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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #11 - Page 9 Fqef2o10

Russian special military operation in Ukraine #11 - Page 9 Fqef2o11

Two more tanks switched sides.

Russian special military operation in Ukraine #11 - Page 9 Fqeryu10

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Hole wrote:
Two more tanks switched sides.

Make that three

Russian special military operation in Ukraine #11 - Page 9 0c10a010

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flamming_python wrote:
But hey at least Arkhangelsk is happy that we're now 'going in hard'

Because it is the only way at the moment.
Your inconstancy should become famous among the other members Laughing

Russia had to respond for further NATO expansion because it was targeting Russia's vital interests and sphere of influence.
Countries go to war for that for ages.
The only difference now is that NATO (US in real, but let's be polite) baptized itself as the only superpower that can have interests, unleash wars, kill the people around, and create new orders.
30 years of NATO dominance cost the lives of a few million innocent people who had bad luck living somewhere they wanted to present their interests.
Russia was warning them for the last 20+ years, that there are lines they can't cross - still, they give a fuk about that.
Contested the Russian perimeter of safety, killing and devastating allies, overthrowing regimes that were not even friendly towards Russia, but neutral&cooperative!
The whole of Europe was turned into a madhouse, and it is enough to remind yourself how the EU-Russia cooperation was going 20 years ago only.
It did not happen by accident, the constant spiral of increasingly negative stance towards Russia was done by purpose.
Destroying Europe is a major decisive victory that the Anglosaxons achieved, it costed them years of struggle - but they did.
Europe will not recover for years to come, it will be shaved by the Anglosaxons to its naked skin, raped straight in the arse, and asked to sing a song in a process.
The only thing Russia could have done considering the situation, is a giant jump forward.
And this is what they did.

Hole wrote:

Great idea. Nobody trained to use the stuff. No trained mechanics. No spare parts.

And the equivalent of T-55 at the end Laughing

I must admit that this devils plan is something that only a real genie could figured out Laughing

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