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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:08 am

    WATCH: Zelensky Defends Neo-Nazi Azov Battalion in Fox Interview - ‘They Were Defending Our Country’

    The clown is not innocent, he is complicit in this too

    Just like Russia today declared Washington's vassals as protectorate, Zelensky is unnecessary to negotiate with and should be terminated by kalibr

    He is complicit as a vassal carrying out the orders of the imperialists

    And should be removed, as you would remove a commanding officer of enemy platoon

    Yes he's not the general, but killing him would give a good lesson to those who think fueling this war and praising azov

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    Post  kvs Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:16 am

    To the sensitive people. I recall posting with warnings similar videos in 2014/15. There was never any rule on this forum not to post
    links to graphic videos as long there was a warning attached. If people want restrictions linking any graphic video then they can
    petition the mods. But I do not see what this achieves. If the argument is that it is murder porn, then people looking for such porn
    will find it elsewhere. Here it has a context and is evidence.

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    Post  kvs Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:18 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:WATCH: Zelensky Defends Neo-Nazi Azov Battalion in Fox Interview - ‘They Were Defending Our Country’

    The clown is not innocent, he is complicit in this too

    Just like Russia today declared Washington's vassals as protectorate, Zelensky is unnecessary to negotiate with and should be terminated by kalibr

    He is complicit as a vassal carrying out the orders of the imperialists

    And should be removed, as you would remove a commanding officer of enemy platoon

    Yes he's not the general, but killing him would give a good lesson to those who think fueling this war and praising azov

    The negotiations are theater. Nobody in the Russian government is taking Zelensky seriously. He is a sock puppet and the clowns
    who have their hand up his ass are openly saying that they do not want any deals with Russia.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:23 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    Airbornewolf wrote:
    kvs wrote:Warning graphic!


    What a real murder scene looks like.   Not a single one of the "dead bodies" in Bucha lying on the street had any evidence
    of spilled blood.   BTW, the same was true at Racak.   None of the dead "civilians" were killed in place.   They were dead UCK
    dressed in civilian clothes and arranged to stage a scene.

    MI6 and the frothing at the mouth British were probably involved at Racak as well.  



    KVS, god damn it.

    Dont take it personal, I really do not mean it like that.
    I was doing everything myself to prevent this kind of content on here.

    @ GarryB, to be clear. I do not judge KVS.
    I understand absolutely why he posted it, and why he is enraged.
    I was inches away from posting it myself...the brutal version. not even KVS his one.
    I 100% understand his motivations and i honestly agree with it on an personal level.
    But this remains an open forum, from an 3rd party supplier where there are obligations to keep to.

    This war is absolutely brutal. with extreme graphic content out there.
    Ukrainians do not shy away from anything.
    We have situations now where Russian troops are executed, and those still convulsing holding on to life are made fun off.
    and slowly tortured to near death, and executed again by Ukrainians.

    What do you want to do?. that we "ban" that kind of execution/torture content here?.
    Or that we are open about the information here?.

    I understand both decisions, but you have to make one of the two decisions here.
    And i understand its a shitty decision. As there is no pleasing everyone.

    Perhaps you have an 3rd alternative to this issue?.

    Sorry Garry, welcome to the War itself showing its true forms on your Forum.



    KVS is an OK character and he is not a coward (like some others), it seems to me, but I don't like such links either. It is not clear to me and I wrote that a couple of weeks ago, that is, how can someone put a "like" under such a link. Do you like seeing Russian soldiers brutally killed? It's not clear to me. It's not KVS's fault, I'm surprised by those who put "like".



    He is this forum's Ukrainian disinformation agent.

    Remember his claims about "after eight years the Ukrainian armed forces have been gutted"?

    He also likes to extremely quickly "bury" some of my posts, the better ones actually, not the only one here to do so.



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    Post  Airbornewolf Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:28 am

    kvs wrote:To the sensitive people.  I recall posting with warnings similar videos in 2014/15.   There was never any rule on this forum not to post
    links to graphic videos as long there was a warning attached.   If people want restrictions linking any graphic video then they can
    petition the mods.   But I do not see what this achieves.   If the argument is that it is murder porn, then people looking for such porn
    will find it elsewhere.   Here it has a context and is evidence.  


    I understand your position and why you post it KVS, but i want some clarification here from management level.
    It is not an personal attack on you from me. Not at all.

    you are right people find it elsewhere, but with some extreme things. you should not want any part in it.
    Its an complicated topic of discussion.
    There are motivations for being open and posting it.
    And there are motivations for being discrete.

    I do not know the answer myself either.
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    Post  par far Tue Apr 05, 2022 2:21 am

    I do not see any issue with posting videos of graphic nature, it is a war and it is a war against some elements of people who hate Russians and will kill civilians to frame Russians.

    I don't think kvs made any mistakes, it is not about murder porn or some bullshit like that.

    Those videos, should be all over the place because it show the war crimes of the Ukrainians, Nationalists and Nazis against civilians and Russian troops.

    Also kvs is more level headed than a lot of posters here.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Apr 05, 2022 2:33 am

    kvs wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:WATCH: Zelensky Defends Neo-Nazi Azov Battalion in Fox Interview - ‘They Were Defending Our Country’

    The clown is not innocent, he is complicit in this too

    Just like Russia today declared Washington's vassals as protectorate, Zelensky is unnecessary to negotiate with and should be terminated by kalibr

    He is complicit as a vassal carrying out the orders of the imperialists

    And should be removed, as you would remove a commanding officer of enemy platoon

    Yes he's not the general, but killing him would give a good lesson to those who think fueling this war and praising azov

    The negotiations are theater.   Nobody in the Russian government is taking Zelensky seriously.   He is a sock puppet and the clowns
    who have their hand up his ass are openly saying that they do not want any deals with Russia.  


    Good , no negotiations, the sock puppet should be blown up anyway

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    Post  ucmvulcan Tue Apr 05, 2022 2:39 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:WATCH: Zelensky Defends Neo-Nazi Azov Battalion in Fox Interview - ‘They Were Defending Our Country’

    The clown is not innocent, he is complicit in this too

    Just like Russia today declared Washington's vassals as protectorate, Zelensky is unnecessary to negotiate with and should be terminated by kalibr

    He is complicit as a vassal carrying out the orders of the imperialists

    And should be removed, as you would remove a commanding officer of enemy platoon

    Yes he's not the general, but killing him would give a good lesson to those who think fueling this war and praising azov

    The negotiations are theater.   Nobody in the Russian government is taking Zelensky seriously.   He is a sock puppet and the clowns
    who have their hand up his ass are openly saying that they do not want any deals with Russia.  


    Good , no negotiations,  the sock puppet should be blown up anyway

    No. Not that I don't think he and the Ukrainian military and political leadership is anything but abysmal. However, he is merely a puppet. The puppet is not in his hands. its in the hands of the Oligarchy in that country and their Nazi buddies and pets. Taking out Zelensky merely creates a martyr. Make a fool out of him, discredit him, and then try him for war crimes.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Apr 05, 2022 2:40 am

    The problem will be after destroying the VSU in donetsk, will medinsky and peskov shriek for more negotiations?

    Already many like Ugrant and scum like chubais have resigned

    But Peskov says they are not traitors

    This peskov is an interesting kind of patriot
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Apr 05, 2022 2:47 am

    Broski wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Ukrainians have fought a good defensive battle
    Using Ukrainian citizens as human shields, just like ISIS does.

    I meant outside the cities, along the roads and in general, the strategy

    The human shield shit in the cities though is not going to fly, going by Azov's little sacrifice

    They refuse a green corridor out of Kharkov and they'll end up dead or captured again.
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:01 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:The problem will be after destroying the VSU in donetsk, will medinsky and peskov shriek for more negotiations?

    Already many like Ugrant and scum like chubais have resigned

    But Peskov says they are not traitors

    This peskov is an interesting kind of patriot

    I suspect it's just for show, as China and India are providing Russia cover but their public position is that they are calling for a ceasefire as soon as possible

    Russia also wants to keep Turkey neutral for as long as possible, and thus it's neccessary to at least keep up the appearance of appearing to negotiate and come closer to a resolution

    But in practice no. Russia has withdrawn from the north, and is focusing on the south - that's the intermediate deal so to speak. But once it has control of the south, it's not obligated to keep to its gentleman's agreement any more than Kiev is - which has now concocted a fake massacre and is also busy killing or arresting anyone it so much as suspects of greeting Russian soldiers.

    Nikolayev for now may just be a feint. I'm confident that after Mariupol falls, Kharkov will be encircled and the battle will begin there, proceeding concurrently along with the encirclement of the Donbass pocket

    With the east essentially secure, then it may be time for Nikolayev and the drive towards Odessa, proceeding concurrently with an assault of Zaporozhie.

    After that, Russia can move up the Dniepr towards Kiev.

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    Post  sepheronx Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:03 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    RTN wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:Memo the Pentagon RE: shot down f15 by ground launched r73 clown
    Welcome to your circus. Will mark you down as scared and horny.

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Why don't you study up on the Buk before you sat stupid shit like this, Armchair experts who have no dam clue are annoying regardless if so west or pro russia.
    Maybe you can start by studying all the press briefs that Russia gave while trying to sell the Su 35. Being able to evade radar-guided surface-to-air missile like the BUK 1 was one of the selling point.

    And please do try to shoot down a F18 Super Hornet or a F 35 with your BUK. We will have this discussion then.

    Just because it's able to evade them doesn't mean it will succeed 100% of the time

    Su-35s have been flying since the beggining of the conflict. And in an unfriendly EW environment, according to one of the pilots

    So out of hundreds of sorties 1 Su-35 gets shot down and its all doom and gloom for the plane? Doesn't work like that

    America has this ridiculous cult of superiority about their weapon systems, that none can be shot down or taken out or whatever. To the point where the Saudis always excuse their own aircraft losses of F-16s and Apaches as malfunctions or pilot errors, but under no circumstances due to enemy action. When the US declares war on Iran and invades it, we'll see the truth of the matter.

    They didn't claim it was malfunction when RQ-170 was forced to land in Iran when it was hijacked by Iranian EW systems.

    flamming_python wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:The problem will be after destroying the VSU in donetsk, will medinsky and peskov shriek for more negotiations?

    Already many like Ugrant and scum like chubais have resigned

    But Peskov says they are not traitors

    This peskov is an interesting kind of patriot

    I suspect it's just for show, as China and India are providing Russia cover but their public position is that they are calling for a ceasefire as soon as possible

    Russia also wants to keep Turkey neutral for as long as possible, and thus it's neccessary to at least keep up the appearance of appearing to negotiate and come closer to a resolution

    But in practice no. Russia has withdrawn from the north, and is focusing on the south - that's the intermediate deal so to speak. But once it has control of the south, it's not obligated to keep to its gentleman's agreement any more than Kiev is - which has now concocted a fake massacre and is also busy killing or arresting anyone it so much as suspects of greeting Russian soldiers.

    Nikolayev for now may just be a feint. I'm confident that after Mariupol falls, Kharkov will be encircled and the battle will begin there, proceeding concurrently along with the encirclement of the Donbass pocket

    With the east essentially secure, then it may be time for Nikolayev and the drive towards Odessa, proceeding concurrently with an assault of Zaporozhie.

    After that, Russia can move up the Dniepr towards Kiev.

    China isn't interested in an actual cease fire either. This entire affair is to the benefit of both India and China. China's issues with the United States started to appear in the last year and half to the point where it was getting close to a shooting match between the United States Navy and Chinese airforce that was patrolling around Taiwan. This was causing a major headache for China and regarding about the Ukraine conflict, this was a China's way cutting the cord that was knotted between them and the United States economies that prevented China from being able to move. Add to that, it also guaranteed China's dominance in economics regarding trade with Russia to which means that they have a mass access to Russia's resources and high tech and at the cheap, while Russia has access to China's mass market that exceeds that of the United States, Europe, Australia and Japan combined. Mix in as well India is trying to grab as much as they can before any additional sanctions will be placed on them. They wont be part of this group but neither will be for the other meaning that India will be the Third World while China and Russia will be the second world and USA and EU will be the first world going back to traditions of the cold war era of measuring the worlds as they say.

    Africa is also now pushing away from the west as they see this as a massive opportunity - trade with the Eurasians and at a better rate, along with trading in currencies that are not the USD or Euro. This alone gets them out of the grasp of the west whom abused them for centuries. This also makes Chinese currency a major traded currency now and that alone will give China even more impetus to push Russia to confront the abusers of the west.

    TL;DR - China isn't actually interested in negotiations. India doesn't care either. They just got to keep up the facade much like Russia is doing.


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    Post  flamming_python Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:05 am

    Airbornewolf wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:

    The Ukrainian regime is panicking due to the surrender of its marines in Mariupol

    So now releases a bunch of snuff videos of Russian prisoners of war. I think these were recorded earlier in the war, it's not a co-incidence that we now have 3-4 videos released at once.

    But it is our commander's military incompetence which allows prisoners to get captured and I hope these idiots are put on tribunal

    I remember the Chechen war material. In most cases when Russians were captured, it was due to some mistake of their commander's that caused the situation. In some cases, it was due to demoralization or desertion.

    Flamming, your got your moments of common sense that i really appreciate and like
    This is not one of them.... and after some footage of today, i get somewhat agitated.

    Your own countrymen get literally torn apart by savages while being POWS, and that is the RF commands fault?.
    Brains removed with industrial tools, executions that failed, torture, execution again. troops fingers cut off, removal of sex organs?.

    An RF major being tortured and beaten for two days straight untill he died of blood loss in front of his men?.

    At witch point do you understand you are dealing with monsters that need to be purged from this world?.
    or put in an labour camps to suffer for the rest of their natural lives?.
    There are no excuses for the Ukrainians.

    They either wave an white flag, or they get exterminated with any conventional means available. no exceptions.
    And i mean that exactly as i say that: "Extermination".
    Perhaps RF command should make clear tough, these Ukro "troops' still fighting are not "their people".
    No surrender, keep the last bullet for yourself. Fight till the end.

    it is time you recognize that what is the Ukraine government and Army. is the exact evil of WW2 Germany.
    Bio-weapon research, desire for nuclear weapon use on Russia, etc.
    Just dressed in an EU jacket and getting all the support of NATO and the US.

    There has to be something in all of this that resonates with you being an Russian!?.

    Yes this is the fault of our commanders

    In most cases such as this, it's because logistics lines weren't secured, or some unit ended up isolated, or there was something else that ultimately stems from the negligence of one's duties, etc...

    That the banderite scum are evil is a tautology. What do you expect them to do, treat prisoners humanely?
    And a shark not to eat you? Yet if you swim in shark-infested waters without due precautions, whose fault is it?

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:11 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:The problem will be after destroying the VSU in donetsk, will medinsky and peskov shriek for more negotiations?

    Already many like Ugrant and scum like chubais have resigned

    But Peskov says they are not traitors

    This peskov is an interesting kind of patriot

    Peskov didn't say that Urgant was not a traitor, he said that he was a patriot

    Of which country he's a patriot of though, Peskov didn't specify
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:44 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:The problem will be after destroying the VSU in donetsk, will medinsky and peskov shriek for more negotiations?

    Already many like Ugrant and scum like chubais have resigned

    But Peskov says they are not traitors

    This peskov is an interesting kind of patriot

    Peskov didn't say that Urgant was not a traitor, he said that he was a patriot

    Of which country he's a patriot of though, Peskov didn't specify

    😆😆😆

    Some patriot, a rainbow patriot for sure

    But it begs a question, what is peskov even talking about
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:57 am

    The surrender of the 503rd is excellent, but it shows that they will fight until they cannot

    The donetsk pocket should be closed and every day hit them until they surrender like 503rd

    With them gone, it will make matters easier

    As flaming said, Kharkov, Odessa, then Kiev
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    Post  Regular Tue Apr 05, 2022 6:27 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:

    Some patriot, a rainbow patriot for sure

    But it begs a question, what is peskov even talking about

    Are you talking about Ivan Urgant, a comedian or there is some important politician with this surname?
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Apr 05, 2022 7:14 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    The Ukrainian regime is panicking due to the surrender of its marines in Mariupol
    So now releases a bunch of snuff videos of Russian prisoners of war. I think these were recorded earlier in the war, it's not a co-incidence that we now have 3-4 videos released at once.
    But it is our commander's military incompetence which allows prisoners to get captured and I hope these idiots are put on tribunal
    I remember the Chechen war material. In most cases when Russians were captured, it was due to some mistake of their commander's that caused the situation. In some cases, it was due to demoralization or desertion.

    The problem is, that they will get an effect opposite to desired.
    The very first material publicized already put people in Russia into a gore mode.
    What's more, it spread widely in China, bringing outrage and shock reactions.
    More Ukros will show this kind of content, more the Russian society will be demanding harsh measures.
    Kremlin is already kind of hostage towards sympathies of its own society, the applause for operation is flying high.
    I suppose we will witness a kind of Spring Hurricane operation soon, as the general command would require rapid operation only to show what was the real reason behind withdrawing forces. And I expect a long lines of POWs very soon.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Apr 05, 2022 7:24 am

    ALAMO wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    The Ukrainian regime is panicking due to the surrender of its marines in Mariupol
    So now releases a bunch of snuff videos of Russian prisoners of war. I think these were recorded earlier in the war, it's not a co-incidence that we now have 3-4 videos released at once.
    But it is our commander's military incompetence which allows prisoners to get captured and I hope these idiots are put on tribunal
    I remember the Chechen war material. In most cases when Russians were captured, it was due to some mistake of their commander's that caused the situation. In some cases, it was due to demoralization or desertion.

    The problem is, that they will get an effect opposite to desired.
    The very first material publicized already put people in Russia into a gore mode.
    What's more, it spread widely in China, bringing outrage and shock reactions.
    More Ukros will show this kind of content, more the Russian society will be demanding harsh measures.
    Kremlin is already kind of hostage towards sympathies of its own society, the applause for operation is flying high.
    I suppose we will witness a kind of Spring Hurricane operation soon, as the general command would require rapid operation only to show what was the real reason behind withdrawing forces. And I expect a long lines of POWs very soon.

    I think 'harsh measures' are what the Ukrainian regime tries to provoke. And the segment of ultra-patriots that can be counted upon to demand them - I'm looking at you Arkhangelsk - must be sidelined.

    You win by not doing things in their interests. It requires discipline. But the myth of the Russian soldier, as a person who will never stoop to Nazi methods of war - is strong enough here. Maybe objectively, not true in every case, you always get psychos - but ultimately both officers, and their men, and society at large realize that acting like savages will make us no better than the enemy, and forfeit any hope of opening the eyes of Ukrainians as to where the real enemy nests.
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Apr 05, 2022 7:47 am

    flamming_python wrote:

    I think 'harsh measures' are what the Ukrainian regime tries to provoke. And the segment of ultra-patriots that can be counted upon to demand them - I'm looking at you Arkhangelsk - must be sidelined.

    You win by not doing things in their interests. It requires discipline. But the myth of the Russian soldier, as a person who will never stoop to Nazi methods of war - is strong enough here. Maybe objectively, not true in every case, you always get psychos - but ultimately both officers, and their men, and society at large realize that acting like savages will make us no better than the enemy, and forfeit any hope of opening the eyes of Ukrainians as to where the real enemy nests.

    I agree with you, Ukro junta is desperate for having gore materials, still doesn't get ones.
    What really amazes me to be honest, because, after 8 years of brutal shelling, I would expect that republican troops will be much more bloodthirsty.
    As we can witness some outrage behaviors towards bodies of killed Ukr soldiers, there are none that would represent POW harassment of any kind.
    The most brutal material we have, are some made by Chechens, still, none of them present tortured or pressed people. More mentally broken and shocked, forced to yell "Ahmat sila!"
    They still are taking prisoners among Azov, even if we had tons of statements that there will be no mercy.
    I guess, the troops on the ground realized that most of those poor bastards are not nazi of any kind, they just joined the Azov because the job was fine.

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    Post  ATLASCUB Tue Apr 05, 2022 7:58 am

    Stupidity knows no bounds. Folks still thinking Russia has any chance at the info war and that there is a chance of success if they do x or y and play some 5D chess. Playing not to lose guarantees you'll lose.
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    Post  Hinex1988 Tue Apr 05, 2022 8:06 am

    🇷🇺🇺🇦Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

    💥On the evening of April 4, high-precision, long-range sea-based weapons near Ochakov destroyed a training centre for Ukrainian special operations forces used, among other things, to house foreign mercenaries.

    💥High-precision air-based missiles have destroyed 4 fuel depots for supplying groups of Ukrainian troops near Kremenets, Cherkasy, Zaporozhye and Novomoskovsk.

    ✈💥During the night, operational-tactical aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit 134 military assets of Ukraine. Among them: 8 command posts and communication hubs, 1 radar for the S-300 missile system, 1 launcher of Tochka-U missile system, 6 ammunition depots and 2 fuel depots, as well as 85 strong points and areas of Ukrainian military equipment concentration.

    💥Russian Air Defence means shot down 4 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles in the air near Chernobaevka, Industrialnaya, Gurty and Nizhnyaya Krynka.

    📊In total, 125 Ukrainian aircraft and 91 helicopters, 398 unmanned aerial vehicles, 226 anti-aircraft missile systems, 1,969 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 214 multiple launch rocket systems, 852 field artillery and mortars, as well as 1,873 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

    ❗According to confirmed information, in Moschun, 23 kilometres north-west of Kiev, on the evening of April 5, servicemen of the 72nd Ukrainian main centre for psychological operations carried out another staged shooting of civilians allegedly killed by violent actions of the Russian Armed Forces for further distribution through the Western media.

    ▫Similar events have now been organized by the Ukrainian special services in Sumy, Konotop and other cities.

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    Post  Sujoy Tue Apr 05, 2022 8:20 am

    It is quite possible that taking lessons from this conflict Russia will invest massively in the development of countermeasures that are capable of nullifying several incoming missiles/projectile simultaneously.

    These countermeasures will find their way in both MBTs, IFVs as well as helicopters and fighter aircraft.

    Similarly, Kremlin might also invest in the development of anti EW countermeasures for fixed wing and rotary wing platforms.

    The Su 35 was probably shot down after it was attacked with EW first and subsequently a few missiles were fired at it.

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