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    Post  par far Sat Apr 02, 2022 7:53 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:



    If this is true, **** the negations.

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    Post  Dima Sat Apr 02, 2022 7:57 pm

    mnztr wrote:BBC is reporting that Hostomel airport has been abandoned by Russia, quite surprising if true. Why would they abandon such a hard won and strategic asset. So sad to see the wreck of Mriya  Russian special military operation in Ukraine #9 - Page 24 1f62d  Russian special military operation in Ukraine #9 - Page 24 1f62d she was the prettiest flying giant.
    That's the bitter stuff one needs to swallow w.r.t Russia.
    They always fail or the opponents always get the upper hand on the negotiating table/deals.
    And no shortage of traitors inside Russia either.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sat Apr 02, 2022 7:59 pm

    https://ria.ru/20220402/podderzhka-1781485174.html

    Peskov announced the absolute military support of Belarus in the event of an attack



    a warning shot to NA(to)ZI? or Ukrops?



    par far wrote:If this is true, **** the negations.

    I doubt it , let's wait for confirmation.

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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Apr 02, 2022 8:01 pm

    Dima wrote:
    mnztr wrote:BBC is reporting that Hostomel airport has been abandoned by Russia, quite surprising if true. Why would they abandon such a hard won and strategic asset. So sad to see the wreck of Mriya  Russian special military operation in Ukraine #9 - Page 24 1f62d  Russian special military operation in Ukraine #9 - Page 24 1f62d she was the prettiest flying giant.
    That's the bitter stuff one needs to swallow w.r.t Russia.
    They always fail or the opponents always get the upper hand on the negotiating table/deals.
    And no shortage of traitors inside Russia either.

    What?
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    Post  Isos Sat Apr 02, 2022 8:01 pm

    par far wrote:



    If this is true, **** the negations.

    IMO it's true for the ones captured by the nazi. The ones captured by ukrainian army should be treated better. They were already filmed doing dirty things.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 02, 2022 8:02 pm

    Arrow wrote:BUK M3 Radar.


    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #9 - Page 24 61db828a27f4

    Careful, Arkhangelsk will have a stroke

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    Post  Isos Sat Apr 02, 2022 8:04 pm

    That's a common radar used for all buk families. This one is very likely an ukrainian one like most of the stuff they show and pretend it is russian.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 02, 2022 8:05 pm

    par far wrote:If this is true, **** the negations.

    I don't believe that, they already suffered a major propaganda fail when they published those executions of Russian POWs.

    But definitely, we'll see Ukrainian suicide-bombers, Ukrainian kamikazes, Ukrainian banzai-charges, Ukrainian mothers throwing their kids off cliffs rather than them being taken by the russkies - like Japan in 1945

    This is the regime the US has created there, with the most refined propaganda and info-warfare techniques known to man.


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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 02, 2022 8:06 pm

    Isos wrote:That's a common radar used for all buk families. This one is very likely an ukrainian one like most of the stuff they show and pretend it is russian.

    Where is the bulbous end bit?

    If it fell off or was burnt of, then yes it could be a Buk of any modification

    Only the Buk-M3 just has the flat radar at the end of the mast, without a bulb covering
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    Post  Azi Sat Apr 02, 2022 8:11 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Arrow wrote:BUK M3 Radar.


    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #9 - Page 24 61db828a27f4

    Careful, Arkhangelsk will have a stroke
    Isn't it the 9S36 radar of the Buk system. Could it be a Buk-M2 system?
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 02, 2022 8:11 pm

    Isos wrote:That's a common radar used for all buk families. This one is very likely an ukrainian one like most of the stuff they show and pretend it is russian.

    Looking it up, it looks like the 9S36 mast-mounted radar

    It's specific only to the Buk-M2 and Buk-M3

    So yes must be Russian

    Probably from the vids of the earlier Bayraktar strikes against the Buks. Maybe one of the attacks was north of Kiev, and now that Russia withdrew from there, the Ukrs discovered the wreckage.

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    Post  Azi Sat Apr 02, 2022 8:14 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Isos wrote:That's a common radar used for all buk families. This one is very likely an ukrainian one like most of the stuff they show and pretend it is russian.

    Where is the bulbous end bit?

    If it fell off or was burnt of, then yes it could be a Buk of any modification

    Only the Buk-M3 just has the flat radar at the end of the mast, without a bulb covering
    They look the same for Buk-M2 and Buk-M3. I can't spot the difference. Suspect

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    Post  Stealthflanker Sat Apr 02, 2022 8:15 pm

    That radar should have some launchers along. which not visible. probably successfully escape.
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    Post  Ispan Sat Apr 02, 2022 8:27 pm

    Due to health and family issues I have been absent for the past two days and I haven't been able to write any reports.

    Apart from the choppers at Mariupol and the attack on Belgorod oil tanks, can anyone give me a quick rundown of most recent developments?

    Thanks in advance

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Apr 02, 2022 8:32 pm

    Ispan wrote:Due to health and family issues I have been absent for the past two days and I haven't been able to write any reports.

    Apart from the choppers at Mariupol and the attack on Belgorod oil tanks, can anyone give me a quick rundown of most recent developments?

    Thanks in advance

    Russkies are winning.
    Glad to help.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 02, 2022 8:34 pm

    Apparently the battles have been getting closer to Kherson

    There's either some kind of deal or the Ukrainians are just throwing mounds of cannon fodder, like those Western volunteers in the Ukrainian legion complained about - them being given 10 rounds and sent by crazy Ukrainian officers to Kiev.
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    Post  owais.usmani Sat Apr 02, 2022 8:35 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    Russkies are winning.

    Oh sure they are.

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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Apr 02, 2022 8:37 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:
    Russkies are winning.

    Oh sure they are.

    You saying they aren't?
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 02, 2022 8:39 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:
    Russkies are winning.

    Oh sure they are.

    Well there's no way they can't win

    Latest MoD statements now speak about over 1800 Ukrainian armored vehicles taken out

    The problem is that 80% of Ukrainians are sure they're the ones who are winning, according to one opinion poll.
    All these opinion polls are manipulated as a form of info-warfare as well, on both sides.
    Oh 80% of Russians support the operation, so I guess I do too
    Oh 80% of us believe we're beating back the russkies, so it must be true

    But nevertheless it means they'll fight to the end.
    A week ago they marched into the Kherson region by foot, just with Grads as company - and were routed by Russian artillery and Su-25s. They retreated, but now they're back on the attack again.

    That's what's so fked up about this war and about Putin agreeing to play by this whole scenario.

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    Post  nomadski Sat Apr 02, 2022 8:42 pm

    The Ukrainians need to address the concerns of Russia  : They need to withdraw forces from LDPR , disband the Nazi groups , allow for long term inspection of Nuclear sites , and weapons stores and agree to arms limitations  , as well as agree to Neutrality . They also need to recognise the Russian language as the official language in Russian majority speaking areas . In this way , they can avoid further damage and disintegration or partition of their country , with Ukraine turning into a small land - locked state , next to Poland .

    The special operations , when they started , was a surprise to me , in so far as it resembled a huge pincer movement  , initially with only 70,000 troops . I expected a small  pincer around the LDPR region to expel the UA . A concentrated force , a wall of steel , irresistible . Some say this spread of forces was to separate the UA , into more manageable chunks . But from my own thinking , a technically superior , yet numerically inferior force , tries to bring a numerical superior , yet technically inferior side , into set classical battles . And the other side , disperses and adopts hit and run tactics . Not the other way round . And if I am right , then the reason for this large spread of huge pincer movement , had more to do with optimism .

    Front-lines move in war . Advance followed by retreat . Neither necessarily means victory or defeat . And now that " phase one objectives have been achieved , " and forces are going to form a smaller pincer , to encircle the 60,000 or so UA in the East , for a set battle , things may move faster . This should prove more efficient than trying to capture every town and city , at a very high cost . Mariupol was an exception . It had to be taken , Nazis defeated , to set an example . This has now been done .

    I have seen so many Tanks destroyed , by having their Turrets blown off , and by anti-Tank weapons . Therefore Tanks should no longer be used in areas where they can be targets of such weapons . They revert back to their original use during wwI , of  offering protection against small arms fire . Used against already depleted strong point bunkers or buildings in towns with snipers . Tactics must change , allowing artillery to move with infantry on the flanks , to clear out strong points . Tanks should only move in to clear out bunkers , when they have run out of Anti - Tank .

    Those who say Russia can not stop the flow of anti-Tank  ; I just disagree . There are many in the world , that would gladly retaliate against the unfriendly states , using Russian weapon supplies , without the need for Russia to act directly or in Ukraine . Syrians , Yemen , and a host of others will welcome such support . That will come into play , if Russia decides to expand the war . Right now the Gas flow is causing pain . Pain can be increased .


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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Apr 02, 2022 8:48 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    owais.usmani wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:
    Russkies are winning.

    Oh sure they are.

    Well there's no way they can't win

    Latest MoD statements now speak about over 1800 Ukrainian armored vehicles taken out

    The problem is that 80% of Ukrainians are sure they're the ones who are winning, according to one opinion poll.
    All these opinion polls are manipulated as a form of info-warfare as well, on both sides.
    Oh 80% of Russians support the operation, so I guess I do too
    Oh 80% of us believe we're beating back the russkies, so it must be true

    But nevertheless it means they'll fight to the end.
    A week ago they marched into the Kherson region by foot, just with Grads as company - and were routed by Russian artillery and Su-25s. They retreated, but now they're back on the attack again.

    That's what's so fked up about this war and about Putin agreeing to play by this whole scenario.

    Difference is, it's Levada center which is your ass buddies (western backed and anti putin) admit its 80% for the war and for putin while it's Ukraine who is getting demolished that is making claims it's winning.

    I'm still unsure how people think russia is losing. Since, you know, majority of Ukraines ability to fight has been diminished and majority of their forces are surrounded and getting further closed in, while losing territory after territory.

    But I think most believe the partial withdrawal from Kiev (still forces of Russia in the area) is a defeat.  Even if those forces are headed east to further crush Ukrainian forces in the area.

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    Post  par far Sat Apr 02, 2022 9:00 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    owais.usmani wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:
    Russkies are winning.

    Oh sure they are.

    Well there's no way they can't win

    Latest MoD statements now speak about over 1800 Ukrainian armored vehicles taken out

    The problem is that 80% of Ukrainians are sure they're the ones who are winning, according to one opinion poll.
    All these opinion polls are manipulated as a form of info-warfare as well, on both sides.
    Oh 80% of Russians support the operation, so I guess I do too
    Oh 80% of us believe we're beating back the russkies, so it must be true

    But nevertheless it means they'll fight to the end.
    A week ago they marched into the Kherson region by foot, just with Grads as company - and were routed by Russian artillery and Su-25s. They retreated, but now they're back on the attack again.

    That's what's so fked up about this war and about Putin agreeing to play by this whole scenario.

    Difference is, it's Levada center which is your ass buddies (western backed and anti putin) admit its 80% for the war and for putin while it's Ukraine who is getting demolished that is making claims it's winning.

    I'm still unsure how people think russia is losing. Since, you know, majority of Ukraines ability to fight has been diminished and majority of their forces are surrounded and getting further closed in, while losing territory after territory.

    But I think most believe the partial withdrawal from Kiev (still forces of Russia in the area) is a defeat.  Even if those forces are headed east to further crush Ukrainian forces in the area.



    Western propaganda is the reason.

    When the Ukrainian forces in the Donbass are taken care of, a lot of the Ukrainian army will be defeated.

    As Alexander Mercouris has correctly pointed out, the largest battle in Europe since the end of World War 2 is about to start in the Donbass.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Apr 02, 2022 9:06 pm

    I just want to write to those who fart about Russia's special military operation that Russia is fighting in difficult conditions.

    1. New quantities of weapons are constantly being supplied to Ukraine. The United States did not have that problem in Iraq, Serbia, Libya, Syria ...
    2. During a special military operation, Russia is trying to make fewer civilians victims of the war. The United States has never paid attention to this, because all civilian victims are just "collateral damage" for them.
    3. The NATO pact is constantly providing intelligence to Ukropistan, which further complicates Russia's progress. The United States did not have these problems during its aggressive invasions.
    4. Fascist Western propaganda also asks Russian athletes to condemn Putin, which was not the case even during Nazi Germany. The United States did not have any problems with this issue during the aggressive invasions.
    5. If, according to some, Russia is already weak, even though Russia REALLY does not have enough troops to occupy Ukraine, then why is the NATO Pact not reacting?
    6.  I am completely sure that the Russians have enough capacity to destroy all Swedish, Finnish, Polish or German airports with conventional weapons. And then what ? What is the condition of the Swedish, German or Finnish army? Realistically, the Poles have a stronger land army than almost all three countries combined.
    7. Yes, many Russian tanks were destroyed, the Orcs lost probably more, so the "famous" Leopards, Abrams, Le Clerc tanks would be just as damaged and destroyed as the aforementioned tanks.
    8. I am fed up with the fact that the Russians have or do not have the ability to do this or that. IF MOBILIZATION WAS NOT BEING CARRIED OUT IN RUSSIA, DO YOU THINK YOU KNOW BETTER THAN THE RUSSIANS WHAT THEIR GOAL IS?

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    Post  Stealthflanker Sat Apr 02, 2022 9:14 pm

    And the west still clinging on "Russia is running out of missiles" story... even went as far as writing this garbage.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/04/01/vladimir-putin-running-missiles-parts-made-ukraine/

    Good God. simple google search can prove them wrong easily. The most insulting part however they put a paywall for the article, i feel bad whoever actually subscribed.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Sat Apr 02, 2022 9:16 pm

    let the Ukrainians have their propaganda. It will not save them.
    It will only make the red pill hit harder eventually.

    Russians are getting ready in the East

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