Firebird Sat Apr 02, 2022 2:39 pm
Azi wrote: Big_Gazza wrote:Why would the Russian command ever want to communicate the goals of the campaign? 
Tell the orcs and their NATOstani fluffers absolutley
NOTHING.
If the folks at home have a few anxious weeks or months then that is just tough shit. This is a serious endeavour, and there is no room for comforting the snowflakes. The USSR didn't annihilate 3/4 of the nazi war machine by explaining what they were doing on a blow-by-blow basis. They did what was needed when it was needed, and they took their lumps when the nazis hit them and didn't cry about like a 12 yo girl.
People need to stiffen their spines, especially if they are Russians. Crying and wailing cuz the orcs managed to hit a few oil tanks just over the border is downright insulting to the memeory of all those heroes who fought and died to defeat Fascism in the 40s. They endured suffering beyond the imagining of modern societies, yet today we cry over trivial pin pricks and complain that the military leaders are incompetents?
Shrug your shoulders at these tiny setbacks, and just focus on the prize. Annihilate the UAF in the field, kill every last Azov/Aidar MFer, dismantle this dirty Bandera-kissing regime and drive them to their fcking knees and make them agree to a full and unconditional surrender.
Split this absurdly incoherent Frankenstein of a nation into a more sensible configuration - rebirth of a new Novorossiya, add a rump compliant Ukraine under Russian control, and throw away the terminally infected West (give it to Poland, Slovakia and Huingary and make it their problem).
Eyes on the prize lads, eyes on the fricking prize...
WHY? Because Russian citizens deserve it if their sons die on the battlefront! The real sovereign of Russia is not Putin, it's not the Kremlin, not the Russian army...it's the people of Russia and the aforementioned are just working for the people. In nearly every conflict the goals are clear as pure glass but in this conflict i hear such things like "freeing Donbass", "denazification", "regime change" etc. and it change nearly every day...if you hear morons like Medinsky you can fear that russians will die for nothing.
How is denazification of WHOLE Ukraine possible if Russian Army retreats from the WHOLE northern front? Almost 70-80 % of all russian soldiers in this conflict died at northern flank...and Russian Army is just retreating instead of pouring reinforcements in. A week ago a small city near Chernihiv was freed from Nazi forces and now they retreat on the WHOLE northern flank...YEAH indeed looks like a brilliant plan.
One week ago EVERYONE me included posted that Russian Army is just regrouping and not retreating! And now they retreat and this looks much like a huge strategic defeat. Not a military defeat because the areas were firm in russian hands, but a defeat caused by politic decisions. Why not calling it a official a war with all the consequences? Here the whole existence of Russia is at risk...Russia is not conducting a special mission in Ukraine that's bullshit! It's a fullscale war against the whole western world + Ukraine and at this point some reservist must be send to front. Russia uses only a fraction of it's military power now.
Do not get me wrong..I'm pro russian and the success of Russian Army in the south of Ukraine delights me, but the useless losses in the north for NOTHING make me from the deepest of my heart sad.
The plan is to Denazify bit by bit.
Kharkov and Kiev were a feint, a way to divert Bandera-scum away from areas Russia planned to sweep early on. Yes there were Russian casualties but nowhere near the level of Bandera-filth.
Kiev and Kharkov were a bit of a stalemate with the numbers deployed. To go further Russia would need more troops and more time. Those troops can be better deployed elsehwere. Much like a naval battle doesn't revolve around controlling areas but around destroying enemy assets.
Russia can look to finish the Donbass cauldron sooner rather than later. It can also take other areas. Then go back for Kiev and Kharkov, Odessa and whatever westward.
Why tie up troops doing nothing. They did a worthwhile job as a feint in the North. And they can do a more productive one now on remanouvering... as I see it.
@Flamming_Python
I remember you were very critical of the Russian operation.
You believed Yanukovich should have moved the govt to Kharkov. And I think (its a bit hazy for me) you wanted him to enlist the troops in his support. Several problems with this tho. Firstly even the police refused to guarantee his security. So he fled with his family. Second Russia didn't want to start a civil war. Thirdly Putin and Russia felt Yanukovich was effectively finished at that time. So I don't see how your plan would have worked.
The way I see it is that Russia should have snipped the problem in the bud far far sooner. Early 2000s. Or crushed Banderism soon after 2014. Infact after the initial Donbass/Odessa/Mariupol atrocities... I wonder why Russia didn't crush a weaker Ukraine army back then. Of course keeping control of the Ukraine would have been harder. But its not exactly easy at the moment. So, to me, these are all mysteries.
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) Are disappointed at the attacks within Russia. But these served no military purpose and was most likely done as morale booster for the rest of the Ukrainian forces who have been kept in the dark about the state of their armed forces." Oh look what we can still do attack a civilian fuel depot, civilian house, and a powerline" it's not going to effect the Russian operation and if anything will increase Russian efforts to target more fuel, and ammo depots, and hunt Ukrainian aircraft/Heli. I actually thought it was a dumb move, shows how desperate Ukraine are. Ukrainian troops getting pounded on the frontline I am sure would rather had those two mi-24 come and support them than wasting precious fuel on ammo that doesn't impact the war. 
To see the retreat just makes me sad. For me peronal it's not a military miscalculation but a political one. Russia should accept just the fact that it is in war with western world...this should be communicated to people of Russia.
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