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    Post  mavaff Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:31 am

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:43 am

    FP, do you think Hungary and Romania might leave NATO?
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    Post  Ispan Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:45 am

    Anybody has an accurate estimate of how many Ukrainian troops there were in Mariupol?

    Judging by enemy casualty reports from DNR in Volnovakha there were 3.000 troops eliminated for sure, one batallion each of six brigades. Highly likely they are only counting the regular troops and not the National Guard and other paramilitary battallions integrated into each brigade, so I think another battalion of nazis per brigade. Perhaps 5.000 enemies.

    Now at Mariupol the garrison must have even been stronger to hold onto a big city. Perhaps 10 thousand?

    any breakdown of units? The Azov gang how large was? There were at least a few army battalions that escaped south to the city from the breakthrough at Volnovakha

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:49 am

    LMFS wrote:https://t.me/russnasledie/1892

    Russian cities.

    What does Ukraine have to do with it?

    Donetsk - founded by Emperor Alexander II in 1869 during the construction of a metallurgical plant in Yuzovka. What does Ukraine have to do with it?

    Nothing but Wales did!!! A small Cossack town of Oleksandrovka had its name changed to Yuzovka in honour of Welsh miner John Hughes, a famous coal and steel industrialist brought to the area to exploit the coal by Alexander 11 in 1869 as Russia needed iron rails for its railway system. He and his family plus many other Welsh specialists established the mining industry so starting the industrial revolution in the area. Virtually the whole expatriate group left in 1917. The name changed to Donetsk at some point.



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    Post  franco Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:52 am

    Ispan wrote:Anybody has an accurate estimate of how many Ukrainian troops there were in Mariupol?

    Judging by enemy casualty reports from DNR in Volnovakha there were 3.000 troops eliminated for sure, one batallion each of six brigades. Highly likely they are only counting the regular troops and not the National Guard and other paramilitary battallions integrated into each brigade, so I think another battalion of nazis per brigade. Perhaps 5.000 enemies.

    Now at Mariupol the garrison must have even been stronger to hold onto a big city. Perhaps 10 thousand?

    any breakdown of units? The Azov gang how large was? There were at least a few army battalions that escaped south to the city from the breakthrough at Volnovakha


    Read somewhere an estimate of 14,500 Ukrainian forces in the Mariupol pocket after it was formed. Composition?
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:01 pm

    Ispan wrote:Anybody has an accurate estimate of how many Ukrainian troops there were in Mariupol?

    Judging by enemy casualty reports from DNR in Volnovakha there were 3.000 troops eliminated for sure, one batallion each of six brigades. Highly likely they are only counting the regular troops and not the National Guard and other paramilitary battallions integrated into each brigade, so I think another battalion of nazis per brigade. Perhaps 5.000 enemies.

    Now at Mariupol the garrison must have even been stronger to hold onto a big city. Perhaps 10 thousand?

    any breakdown of units? The Azov gang how large was? There were at least a few army battalions that escaped south to the city from the breakthrough at Volnovakha


    I wouldn't put any stock into what the DNR says, they're as bad as the Ukrs

    Mariupol had about 3000 troops. That's the Azov Battallion, Ukrainian marines, Ukrainian militarized police and possibly other auxiliaries.

    They loaded both this city as well as Kharkov with neo-Nazis and regime functionaries over the past 8 years, and established a massive military presence

    Kharkov has a garrison of 10,000
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    Post  owais.usmani Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:02 pm

    RTN wrote:
    Russia could never come up with such precision guided rockets.

    That's my boy, smoking on absolute top quality weed.

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    Post  franco Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:05 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:Thoughts on how the war is going.  Am I right on this or wrong?

    1. Putin claimed his aim was to denazify and demilitarize Ukraine.  I think the Russian forces are doing that.  Ukraine seems to have three main groupings of forces, one near Kiev that is mostly conscripts, one is near Odessa that is part conscript and half radicals, and the one in the east that is mostly hardcore and radicalized nazis.  Even from wikipedia's map, and yes in this they are a tool for propaganda, we can see large pincers that are closing behind the radicals and the main aim will be to destroy them utterly and completely.

    This goes with another aim

    2. Recognition of the independence of the DPR and LPR, these two independent territories lack sufficient military strength to defend their territorial integrity so you help them by wiping out Ukraine's military

    So why is Russia surrounding but not driving on Kiev or Odessa? Simple, the aim is to tie those forces down and deal with them through sustained air and missile strikes.  

    3. I think that we are going to see the main ground operations in the Donbass and we are going to see airstrikes to degrade Ukrainian military power in the rest of the country.  

    Am I right on this or not?

    I think you are right in this for phase 1. Phase 2 depends on phase 1 and how negotiations go.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:25 pm

    No mention of S-300 heading east, if its going that would be classified.

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    Germany 🇩🇪 and the Netherlands 🇳🇱 are deploying Patriot batteries to Sliač airbase, Slovakia 🇸🇰

    Part of @NATO
    Integrated Air & Missile Defence it is an essential, continuous mission that safeguards Alliance territory and populations against any air and missile threat and attack.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:29 pm

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    The Ministry of Defense of Russia provided evidence of the use of Gomel airport for strikes on Ukraine.
    A video published today shows a Russian drone with ammunition taking off from the Gomel airfield, missile strikes on Ukrainian territory and landing at the same airfield.



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    Post  JohninMK Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:31 pm

    Very democratic Laughing Ukraine now openly a one power block state. Otherwise known as a dictatorship.

    Euromaidan Press
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    ⚡Ukraine's RNBO suspends activities of pro-🇷🇺 political parties for the time of the war, Zelenskyy informs:

    🔹Opposition Platform-For Life
    🔹Shariy's Party
    🔹Nashi
    🔹Opposition Bloc
    🔹Socialist Party
    🔹Left Opposition
    🔹Union of Left Forces
    🔹Derzhava & others

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    If Putin banned 11 opposition parties under the pretext of war, just as Zelensky has done today, Western media would be likening it to a Stalinesque purge.



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    Post  lyle6 Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:33 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:Since most of you have left the topic of weapons systems, I have to deviate a little from the topic.
    I know that this is not the topic of this story, but I have a feeling that after this conflict, the production of Su-57 aircraft will be increased. I think that an additional contingent could be ordered on the already ordered 76 planes until 2027.
    This also applies to the T-90M tanks and of course the T-14.
    And off course, more submarines... Wink

    At least for AFVs, the heavy losses among even modernized platforms against NATO's top shelf man portable anti-armor weapons comes as a bit of a shock.

    They were probably expecting a blow-out just winging it with second rate armor like last time, but the Ukrainians got better.

    In any case this is a pretty big ammunition that the modernists can use to finally push for delivery of next gen platforms in actual numbers.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:33 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Very democratic Laughing Ukraine now openly a one power block state.

    Euromaidan Press
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    ⚡Ukraine's RNBO suspends activities of pro-🇷🇺 political parties for the time of the war, Zelenskyy informs:

    🔹Opposition Platform-For Life
    🔹Shariy's Party
    🔹Nashi
    🔹Opposition Bloc
    🔹Socialist Party
    🔹Left Opposition
    🔹Union of Left Forces
    🔹Derzhava & others

    Always was.

    The regime offered a choice between Poroshenko the war-maker, and Zelensky the peace-maker, who then did a 180 after a few months in office and started agitating for war and signing up for more infrastructure from NATO

    As for parliamentary results - these parties are allowed to operate but the results are always faked or otherwise members of such parties are threatened, imprisoned and they remain marginal

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    Post  Regular Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:38 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Very democratic Laughing Ukraine now openly a one power block state. Otherwise known as a dictatorship.

    Euromaidan Press
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    ⚡Ukraine's RNBO suspends activities of pro-🇷🇺 political parties for the time of the war, Zelenskyy informs:

    🔹Opposition Platform-For Life
    🔹Shariy's Party
    🔹Nashi
    🔹Opposition Bloc
    🔹Socialist Party
    🔹Left Opposition
    🔹Union of Left Forces
    🔹Derzhava & others

    What did Shariy's Party do?

    They did condemn the Russian attack and they supply even western Ukrainians with medicine that is lacking now across the country (mostly insulin), help disabled people who can't leave their house, help with evacuations?
    I followed their work for some time and they really involved in humanitarian help.

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    Post  nomadski Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:43 pm


    Some observations :

    ( 1 ) The force sent initially was 70,000 . But after a few days , was increased by about 190,000 .

    ( 2 ) The call was later made for foreign volunteers to fight against UA , without using Russian conscripts .

    ( 3 ) Valuable assets , like underground aircraft parts factory in West , was not targeted , but is now targeted .

    ( 4 ) Use of nuclear capable Kinzal ( Russian = dagger , Persian " Kanjar" = dagger ! ) , message to West !

    ( 5 ) The liberation of two major towns of kherson and Mariupol in three weeks , suggests similar pace in near future .

    ( 6 ) At this rate , the bulk of the fighting will probably be over in another three weeks .

    ( 7 ) The military objectives should include the unconditional surrender by Ukraine .

    ( 8 ) The majority Russian speaking regions , to have Russian language as the only legal language , by Decree .

    ( 9 ) Ditto . For Ukrainian areas .

    ( 10 ) Neutrality ( whatever that means ) , non- NATO/ WMD , can only be established by forces on the ground .





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    Post  Regular Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:47 pm

    lyle6 wrote:

    At least for AFVs, the heavy losses among even modernized platforms against NATO's top shelf man portable anti-armor weapons comes as a bit of a shock.

    They were probably expecting a blow-out just winging it with second rate armor like last time, but the Ukrainians got better.

    In any case this is a pretty big ammunition that the modernists can use to finally push for delivery of next gen platforms in actual numbers.

    Surely, Ukrainian ATGM platforms are as deadly as western ones and in ambush scenarios, the remote control option of Stugna/Corsar and etc. is even more useful than fire and forget capabilities. Tanks have little to no chance to survive hit from the side with let's say, 152 mm Skif ATMG. It should be more capable than Konkurs. I think to kill probability should be higher than of Javelin, not to mention crew survivability is insane, they can be in an underground bunker operating it and it's a very accurate system. But everyone keeps mentioning western ATGMs...

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:50 pm

    Some random posts this Sunday morning

    David P. Goldman
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    First time NYT reports "steady" Russian advances. Putin said his plan was to "demilitarize" (destroy the UKR army) and "de-Nazify" (destroy the Azov Brigade). The best military intel types I know say Putin is doing exactly that. It's not Blitzkrieg, but encircle and kill.

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    ⚡⚡PRO UKR SOURCE

    The Pentagon is confident that Ukrainian forces in the Donbas will be surrounded and then methodically destroyed in cauldrons before the end of the month.


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    The propagandised Ukraine war is ultimately going to result in the total implosion of the very western media which propagates so much disinformation, misinformation and outright lies.

    It's part of a painful awakening for so many but a very necessary one.


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    Iraq Body Count reports 6,700 civilian casualties in the first 3 weeks of the Iraq war.

    377,000 dead in Yemen.

    In comparison, in Ukraine, the UN reports 847 civilian casualties. Calling it "genocide" is shamelessly egregious.


    - GEROMAN -- 👀 -
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    Only simple minded Western brains still believe that "taking cities" is a good idea...
    Just surround it - pressure it - cut them off.
    And **** up any movement between them.
    And that is the strategy.
    Mariupol is a special case - there is a huge concentration of Azov.

    Alexander Alimov
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    Russia government official
    ‼ Militants of 🇺🇦's notorious Azov Battalion are planning a terrorist attack on Western diplomats in Lviv, which they, with Kiev's approval, intend to pin on the Russian Armed Forces in an attempt to pressure NATO into enforcing a no-fly zone - 🇷🇺 MoD Spokesman Igor Konashenkov.


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    #KRIVOYROG—#Russia|n troops are at Krivoy Rog right now, and #Ukraine|ian politician Oleg #Tsarev calls on his same-party-member mayor of Krivoy Rog to surrender to protect the lives of the residents.



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    Post  JohninMK Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:58 pm

    Pure coincidence Laughing Laughing

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    Just to reiterate: the "National Security and Defense Council" has just banned, along ten other political parties, "Opposition Platform — For Life", a party that holds 43 seats in the Ukrainian parliament & is largely the political force that represents the East of the country.



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    Post  Mir Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:58 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:
    RTN wrote:
    Russia could never come up with such precision guided rockets.

    That's my boy, smoking on absolute top quality weed.

    This guided rocket dates from the late Soviet era >> Rolling Eyes

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    Post  Serberus Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:00 pm

    https://t.me/intelslava/22970

    “ Here, Major of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Deputy Commander of the 1st Battalion of the 14th Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine surrendered. He laid down his weapons.

    Listened to his story. Born in Soviet Central Asia, distributed to Ukraine. Mobilized at 15. Like you listen, so a victim of circumstances. But no. Everyone makes their choice. And lives with him all his life. Look what he says, another captured Ukrainian officer. And how much more stands in the corners of the Ukrainian military.”

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    Post  Mir Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:06 pm

    Regular wrote:
    Surely, Ukrainian ATGM platforms are as deadly as western ones and in ambush scenarios, the remote control option of Stugna/Corsar and etc. is even more useful than fire and forget capabilities. Tanks have little to no chance to survive hit from the side with let's say, 152 mm Skif ATMG. It should be more capable than Konkurs. I think to kill probability should be higher than of Javelin, not to mention crew survivability is insane, they can be in an underground bunker operating it and it's a very accurate system. But everyone keeps mentioning western ATGMs...

    No ways are they going to give free marketing to any Ukr/Soviet systems. It's on the ignore list Wink

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    Post  franco Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:16 pm

    Someone's scorecard of Ukrainian losses:

    https://twitter.com/spriter99880/status/1505500916157456385?cxt=HHwWgoC5yerGzuQpAAAA
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    Post  Hole Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:18 pm

    JohninMK wrote:No mention of S-300 heading east, if its going that would be classified.

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    Integrated Air & Missile Defence it is an essential, continuous mission that safeguards Alliance territory and populations against any air and missile threat and attack.

    "Safeguard alliance territory". And that a few days after that drone flew trough 3 NATO countries. Rolling Eyes

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    Post  Hole Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:19 pm

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    Su-35´s with glide bombs and Kh-31 ARM´s.

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