Russian special military operation in Ukraine #4

Hole wrote:I would create Novorossiya and Malorossiya, keep the DPR and LPR. Send the orcs to Galicia. Then form a Union state with Russia, Belarus, Novorossiya, Malorossiya, DPR and LPR. Maybe throw in Abkhazia, South Ossetia and Transnistria. Even Kazakhstan, Tadjikistan and Kirgistan. Let the west call it a new Sovietunion. F... em. After that I would build a fence and dig a trench along the western border.

I would add Gagauzia to that as well

SeigSoloyvov wrote:
due to massive incompetence on the pilot's part, they never would have gotten that kill if he followed protocols. but hey keep bragging

Not the pilot's fault - he just follows orders (briefing) from his sq commander and he did. They got him because he flew the same flight path every day as per instruction but keep spewing bs.

Mir wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:
due to massive incompetence on the pilot's part, they never would have gotten that kill if he followed protocols. but hey keep bragging

Not the pilot's fault - he just follows orders from his sq commander and he did. They got him because he flew the same flight path every day as per instruction but keep spewing bs.

Yes it was now your just lying, he flew too low, he kept his bomb bay doors open which he wasn't supposed and he did other things incorrect

Arkanghelsk wrote:From what I have seen FSB spetsnaz is the best equipped and trained for urban combat

They train at night, with quadcopters, drones, UGV, and all that

But it's a good thing for VDV and ground force to get this experience

Also it could help get better procurement if their officers see what they could use

. I believe it is normal also in the west, FBI probably has some special forces that are much more capable in this kind of environment than the navy seals, the marines or the ranger..

Most soldiers are not trained to work as MP, also

SeigSoloyvov wrote:
Yes it was now your just lying, he flew too low, he kept his bomb bay doors open which he wasn't supposed and he did other things incorrect

You can read the story told by the pilot himself here >>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_F-117A_shootdown

He flew well above low cloud cover...and his wingman took some damage as well

Now go troll somewhere else.

Kosovo for US = Georgia for Russia. 1 bomber lost for both and few jets.

Iraq for US = Ukraine for Russia. More planes lost and lot of ground equipement too.


They are very similar. US in Iraq used lot of effort to hide their losses. I remember watching a documentary in Afghan about french troops. They had US help at one moment who suffered losses and they forbid tge TV crew to film the destroyed vehicles.

And I would give the advantage to Russia. They fight alone conrrary to US who bring a coalition everytime (you also need to take into account coalition losses for Iraq and Afghanistan as well as in Kosovo because looking at only US ones isn't fair). Russia goes in alone and it has less weaponery and recco tools than US yet they don't any worse overall.

Reportedly an Su30 was shot down
There is a video of the pilot , alive but in enemy hands

https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1500109526581891072?s=20&t=KxSeRNqKQSDpWeQOoLwOIg

This guy seems to post only visually verified losses , so as it stands not a good day in the skies

i have noticed livemap which has been fairly bias has started putting this "This event is known propaganda, displayed for awareness" on anything Russia or Putin say in statements. Sad really livemap use to be good. But now have bias agenda.

Updates



1) Lavrov: "Our delegation expects Ukrainians to respond to our demands to disarm Ukraine and recognize Crimea as Russian territory”

2) Putin claims that work to destroy military infrastructure in Ukraine is almost completed

3) Russian military column in Irpin

4) Putin Says Middle-Eastern Militants Operating in Ukraine

5) Putin: Authorities in Kiev Should Understand That If They Continue in the Same Manner the Matter of Ukraine's Statehood Will Be Questioned

6) People in Donbass Aren't Stray Dogs, Up to 14,000 Civilians Were Killed There But the West Prefered Not to See It For 8 Years

7) Member of Ukraine's First Delegation at Talks With Russia Killed by Security Service of Ukraine, Verkhovna Rada's Lawmaker Claims. A Verkhovna Rada lawmaker claims that a member of Ukraine's first delegation in talks with Russia, Denis Kireev, was killed by the Security Service of Ukraine during arrest on suspicion of treason.

There's been no official confirmation yet, but Ukrainian media outlets have published a graphic photo allegedly showing the slain negotiator.

8 ) Russian MoD: Ukraine Rejecting Russia's Proposals to Open Humanitarian Corridors in Kharkov and Sumy

9) Russian MoD: Nationalists Not Letting Civilians, Foreigners Leave Mariupol and Volnovakha

10) Over 787,000 People Entered Poland From Ukraine During Russian Operation, Border Guard Says

11) Up to 200 People Buried Under Rubble as Azov Militants Blow Up Building in Mariupol - DPR Head (AWAITING CONFIRMATION)


12) MoD: Russian Forces Destroy Ammo Depot in Zhitomir Hosting Javelins & NLAWs in High-Precision Strike

13) 17 Civilians, Including Children, Managed to Evacuate From Mariupol Via Humanitarian Corridor, DPR Says

14) any country Imposing No-Fly Zone Over Ukraine Will Be Deemed Party to Conflict - Putin

Seems to be a lot of Twitter info saying 3 or 4 aircraft shot down and 5 helicopters anyone got anything concrete

Ukranian Army used Igla to shoot down two Ka-52. But it looks to me countermeasures spoofed one missile of the three plus launched, and the Ka 52 that grounded reportedly had the Igla counterjam and home on the countermeasure pod.

Not sure how the Mi-24 got hit. If the Ka-52 has countermeasures obviously the Mi-24 has that too. Or maybe as in the case of the Ka-52 a couple of missiles were probably fired at a number of Mi-24s and unfortunately one of them was hit.

Another su-34 may have been down. So 2 su-34 and 1 su-30 and 1 mi-24 today. They suck at SEAD. Bring those kh-25P and kh-31 and drones. Where are the su-57 to launch kh-31 from safe areas ?


https://mobile.twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1500115274070114310

I don't how true it is but would the Su 34 not be out of the ranges of the missiles?

Isos wrote:Another su-34 may have been down. So 2 su-34 and 1 su-30 and 1 mi-24 today. They suck at SEAD. Bring those kh-25P and kh-31 and drones. Where are the su-57 to launch kh-31 from safe areas ?


https://mobile.twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1500115274070114310

This is maddening, su30 and su34 should not be lost over this damn country 

Where are the big strikes, why are these aircraft operating so close to the ground? 

Whoever is in charge of this operation is exposing the credibility of the armed forces to unnecessary pressure and danger it really is unbearable to watch

They have everything they need to hunt the AD but the officer suck. They don't use everytjing they have. Su-25 armed with kh-25 should be all over the place.

Isos wrote:They have everything they need to hunt the AD but the officer suck. They don't use everytjing they have. Su-25 armed with kh-25 should be all over the place.

I think at this point everyone is in agreement, it's not western propaganda, 

If we go off MOD numbers alone, it shows a problem 

I dont think it's the officers, it's the stupid kremlin

Look any Pro Russia thread and see what people are saying 

**** the brotherly people, bomb them to smithereens

https://t.me/realCRP/3455

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Isos wrote:They have everything they need to hunt the AD but the officer suck. They don't use everytjing they have. Su-25 armed with kh-25 should be all over the place.

I think at this point everyone is in agreement, it's not western propaganda, 

If we go off MOD numbers alone, it shows a problem 

I dont think it's the officers, it's the stupid kremlin

Look any Pro Russia thread and see what people are saying 

**** the brotherly people, bomb them to smithereens

When it comes to AD destruction bombing people is useless. Those system need to be destroy asap even for the Kremlin. There shouldn't be any restriction for their destruction by the kremlin like there is for bombing cities.

par far wrote:I don't how true it is but would the Su 34 not be out of the ranges of the missiles?

They're flying low, Ukraine has strong AD, so why arent they high up in large numbers with forward planes baiting the AD

And rear planes sending kh31 to radar emissions ?

Basic SEAD, these imbeciles are sending fighters alone at low altitude to do a bomb run like its 2008

Its criminal incompetence, and not defensible at all, I least I cant defend such a position 

VKS planes should own that sky, and I cannot explain why it's like token velvet approach

The Azov assholes all need to be cleared out without any mercy.

https://t.me/realCRP/3456

Take some herbs, drama queens ...

That base taken is about the same size as the gear we can report as really lost by the Russian army.