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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #4

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sat Mar 05, 2022 3:49 pm

    Is some part of Ukrainian AD and AF destroyed already,?

    How do you think would US invasion of Ukraine have gone with a similar sized force?
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Mar 05, 2022 3:50 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Take some herbs, drama queens ...

    That base taken is about the same size as the gear we can report as really lost by the Russian army.
    My guy, tanks and bekhas are one thing

    Su34s and su30s are completely other

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    Post  Isos Sat Mar 05, 2022 3:52 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Is some part of Ukrainian AD and AF destroyed already,?

    How do you think would US invasion of Ukraine have gone with a similar sized force?

    A big part was destroyed. I doubt they still have surveillance radars working. Now what's left works on its own. Russia isn't going deep inside Ukraine where its more hostile, they fly around the russian forces.

    US would have suffered just as much but they would have kept their distance and launch way more cruise missiles and ARMs.

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    Post  Sujoy Sat Mar 05, 2022 3:57 pm

    Isos wrote:US would have suffered just as much but they would have kept their distance and launch way more cruise missiles and ARMs.
    Ukraine has received a crazy number of MANPADS apart from the IGLAs that they already had. So they are firing 5-6 MANPADS at one helicopter.

    U.S never faced a similar challenge in either Iraq or Afghanistan.

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    Post  Mir Sat Mar 05, 2022 3:59 pm

    Losses will occur - the Russians will just have to keep them relatively low. So far so good. What you guys should also consider is that NATO is probably covertly supplying intel to the Ukronazis. They have very good satellite and other means of intelligence. It is possible to fire Buks and other semi-active missiles "blind" if they know the flight paths of incoming aircraft and helicopters.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Mar 05, 2022 4:00 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Is some part of Ukrainian AD and AF destroyed already,?

    How do you think would US invasion of Ukraine have gone with a similar sized force?

    The US would have sanctioned it to hell for several years before and them bombed it for months with full control of all media coverage

    Huge amount of civilian casualties, and Ukrainian forces mostly decimated from the air and demoralized.

    Afterwards ground forces would have moved in. For Russia that isn't an option

    But there is no excuse for the early failure of the air-defense, SEAD operations, VDV lackluster performance, or the logistics and engineering tail which doesn't retrieved broken down and immobilized vehicles left behind in time.
    The VKS has also bombed a few civilian buildings, maybe where Ukrainian forces are present but this has still led to civilian casualties. Initial recon forces and light infantry columns did not take take proper precautions.
    Definitely some inadequacies in command and planning. Inflated initial expectations seemed to have led to Russian forces being ambushed or surrounded there where they thought there wouldn't be resistance or they might even be welcomed.

    From what I can see the motor-rifle and tank units have been performing fine, Kadyrov's forces doing very well, cruise missiles all hit their targets, Rosgvardia is performing great at keeping control and patrolling. Intel on the ground seems to be great. Humanitarian aid is also being dished out.
    The initial op at demoralization of Ukrainian forces before the invasion worked as well, but only initially.

    Don't know anything about SSO, FSB, GRU Spetsnaz, and what their performance has been like. We won't hear about it of course.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Mar 05, 2022 4:03 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    My guy, tanks and bekhas are one thing

    Su34s and su30s are completely other

    They are obliterating forces covered by the SAM umbrella unimaginable for any country in Europe, yet US itself.
    You have really supposed that they will have zero losses?

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    This alone is a division of S-300 taken out of order. It is a diesel generator attached to each division. Both taken out of Kharkov.

    I suppose the priority of rapid territorial advance is to be blamed here for real, but the Russian soldier is paying with blood for making a NATO intervention out of a question.
    A limited air operation lasting 2 months to soften the AD, NATO way, would only encourage "partners" for something stupid.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sat Mar 05, 2022 4:04 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Is some part of Ukrainian AD and AF destroyed already,?

    How do you think would US invasion of Ukraine have gone with a similar sized force?

    The US would have sanctioned it to hell for several years before and them bombed it for months with full control of all media coverage

    Huge amount of civilian casualties, and Ukrainian forces mostly decimated from the air and demoralized.

    Afterwards ground forces would have moved in. For Russia that isn't an option

    But there is no excuse for the early failure of the air-defense, SEAD operations, VDV lackluster performance, or the logistics and engineering tail which doesn't retrieved broken down and immobilized vehicles left behind in time.
    The VKS has also bombed a few civilian buildings, maybe where Ukrainian forces are present but this has still led to civilian casualties. Initial recon forces and light infantry columns did not take take proper precautions.
    Definitely some inadequacies in command and planning. Inflated initial expectations seemed to have led to Russian forces being ambushed or surrounded there where they thought there wouldn't be resistance or they might even be welcomed.

    From what I can see the motor-rifle and tank units have been performing fine, Kadyrov's forces doing very well, cruise missiles all hit their targets, Rosgvardia is performing great at keeping control and patrolling. Intel on the ground seems to be great. Humanitarian aid is also being dished out.
    The initial op at demoralization of Ukrainian forces before the invasion worked as well, but only initially.

    Don't know anything about SSO, FSB, GRU Spetsnaz, and what their performance has been like. We won't hear about it of course.
    How strong is guerilla warfare going to be?
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    Post  ALAMO Sat Mar 05, 2022 4:07 pm

    I suppose close to none.
    Russia won't occupy the anti-Russian part.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Mar 05, 2022 4:09 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    My guy, tanks and bekhas are one thing

    Su34s and su30s are completely other

    They are obliterating forces covered by the SAM umbrella unimaginable for any country in Europe, yet US itself.
    You have really supposed that they will have zero losses?

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    This alone is a division of S-300 taken out of order. It is a diesel generator attached to each division. Both taken out of Kharkov.

    I suppose the priority of rapid territorial advance is to be blamed here for real, but the Russian soldier is paying with blood for making a NATO intervention out of a question.
    A limited air operation lasting 2 months to soften the AD, NATO way, would only encourage "partners" for something stupid.

    The aims of the operation is understood, and Russia support it

    What is not supported is just the sort of half measures going into this

    There are huge combined armies with tons of PVO, 

    Also huge VKS bases with munitions and EW, supporting aircraft, logistics

    That should be used to augment the operation 

    If a unit gets bogged down, destroy everything in front of it when they radio for help during ambush

    The helos should be on call for CAS during ambushes 

    As for the VKS, I think someone is holding them back from pursuing organic aims of any airforce 

    I am not saying bomb indiscriminately, but when a unit is ambushed, that's when it's time to just drop the kitchen sink on everything in the area
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    Post  par far Sat Mar 05, 2022 4:14 pm

    Mir wrote:Losses will occur - the Russians will just have to keep them relatively low. So far so good. What you guys should also consider is that NATO is probably covertly supplying intel to the Ukronazis. They have very good satellite and other means of intelligence. It is possible to fire Buks and other semi-active missiles "blind" if they know the flight paths of incoming aircraft and helicopters.


    NATO is supplying intel to the Ukronazis, hopefully Russia soon gets the chance to return the favour.

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    Post  Stealthflanker Sat Mar 05, 2022 4:14 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    But there is no excuse for the early failure of the air-defense, SEAD operations, VDV lackluster performance, or the logistics and engineering tail which doesn't retrieved broken down and immobilized vehicles left behind in time.
    The VKS has also bombed a few civilian buildings, maybe where Ukrainian forces are present but this has still led to civilian casualties. Initial recon forces and light infantry columns did not take take proper precautions.
    Definitely some inadequacies in command and planning. Inflated initial expectations seemed to have led to Russian forces being ambushed or surrounded there where they thought there wouldn't be resistance or they might even be welcomed.

    From what I can see the motor-rifle and tank units have been performing fine, Kadyrov's forces doing very well, cruise missiles all hit their targets, Rosgvardia is performing great at keeping control and patrolling. Intel on the ground seems to be great. Humanitarian aid is also being dished out.
    The initial op at demoralization of Ukrainian forces before the invasion worked as well, but only initially.

    Don't know anything about SSO, FSB, GRU Spetsnaz, and what their performance has been like. We won't hear about it of course.

    I'm curious about the Russian attempt to offset informational advantages provided by NATO's.

    On subject of Kadyrov's forces tho.. i hope they can tone down a bit and not doing stuff they're infamous for, hahaha.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Mar 05, 2022 4:18 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    The aims of the operation is understood, and Russia support it

    What is not supported is just the sort of half measures going into this

    There are huge combined armies with tons of PVO, 

    Also huge VKS bases with munitions and EW, supporting aircraft, logistics

    That should be used to augment the operation 

    If a unit gets bogged down, destroy everything in front of it when they radio for help during ambush

    The helos should be on call for CAS during ambushes 

    As for the VKS, I think someone is holding them back from pursuing organic aims of any airforce 

    I am not saying bomb indiscriminately, but when a unit is ambushed, that's when it's time to just drop the kitchen sink on everything in the area

    I have something more relaxing for you ;-)



    This is a meeting with women, as we will have a 8th of March soon - it is an international Women's Day, but not sure if non-Russian/Slavic members are aware that it is kind of real important day.
    He is telling them that no-fly-zone idea would make any country trying to implement it, a side of conflict with Russia. And they give a shit if they would be a member or not.
    What is funny, a 'member' in Russian is chlen', and that is contextually translated to penis Laughing
    So after saying that they won't give a shit about a country being a ... dick ... Laughing Laughing he corrects himself in a second saying "chlen alianca" - "a member of any alliance", to make it sure it won't sound as a dick Laughing Laughing Laughing in from of women auditory Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Guest Sat Mar 05, 2022 4:21 pm

    Isos wrote:Another su-34 may have been down. So 2 su-34 and 1 su-30 and 1 mi-24 today. They suck at SEAD. Bring those kh-25P and kh-31 and drones. Where are the su-57 to launch kh-31 from safe areas ?


    https://mobile.twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1500115274070114310

    Two Mi 35s...
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    Post  rigoletto Sat Mar 05, 2022 4:30 pm

    West uses Moldova to supply arms to Ukraine

    Various sources are spreading information that Moldova serves as an intermediary for
    the supply of lethal weapons from NATO to the Ukrainian Armed Forces through the airfield
    in Marculesti.

    If everything they say turns out to be true, we can conclude that Moldova is undermining the
    constitutional order, one of the foundations of which is the neutral status of the country.


    https://en.news-front.info/2022/03/05/west-uses-moldova-to-supply-arms-to-ukraine/

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Mar 05, 2022 4:33 pm

    Orlan wrote:
    Isos wrote:Another su-34 may have been down. So 2 su-34 and 1 su-30 and 1 mi-24 today. They suck at SEAD. Bring those kh-25P and kh-31 and drones. Where are the su-57 to launch kh-31 from safe areas ?


    https://mobile.twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1500115274070114310

    Two Mi 35s...

    Three jets in a single day Question

    The Russians are awful at SEAD....

    Let alone SU-34 losses, that's a big deal.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Mar 05, 2022 4:34 pm

    rigoletto wrote:West uses Moldova to supply arms to Ukraine

    Various sources are spreading information that Moldova serves as an intermediary for
    the supply of lethal weapons from NATO to the Ukrainian Armed Forces through the airfield
    in Marculesti.

    If everything they say turns out to be true, we can conclude that Moldova is undermining the
    constitutional order, one of the foundations of which is the neutral status of the country.


    https://en.news-front.info/2022/03/05/west-uses-moldova-to-supply-arms-to-ukraine/

    Since when would that worry NATO, they will push to the limit.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Mar 05, 2022 4:41 pm

    Captured UA gear near Kherson. Already being loaded onto transporters Smile




    EDIT

    Same place, same time but a view from on the ground



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    Post  Sujoy Sat Mar 05, 2022 4:45 pm

    Finally, Western analysts are beginning to talk sense.

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    Post  Isos Sat Mar 05, 2022 4:45 pm

    So I commented on a BavakTaghvahee twitt showing two tor that have no Z on the side captured by ukrainian that they may be ukrainians and used for propaganda and he blocked me... report him if you can to close his twitter. He is an asshole.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Mar 05, 2022 4:46 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Is some part of Ukrainian AD and AF destroyed already,?

    How do you think would US invasion of Ukraine have gone with a similar sized force?

    The US would have sanctioned it to hell for several years before and them bombed it for months with full control of all media coverage

    Huge amount of civilian casualties, and Ukrainian forces mostly decimated from the air and demoralized.

    Afterwards ground forces would have moved in. For Russia that isn't an option

    But there is no excuse for the early failure of the air-defense, SEAD operations, VDV lackluster performance, or the logistics and engineering tail which doesn't retrieved broken down and immobilized vehicles left behind in time.
    The VKS has also bombed a few civilian buildings, maybe where Ukrainian forces are present but this has still led to civilian casualties. Initial recon forces and light infantry columns did not take take proper precautions.
    Definitely some inadequacies in command and planning. Inflated initial expectations seemed to have led to Russian forces being ambushed or surrounded there where they thought there wouldn't be resistance or they might even be welcomed.

    From what I can see the motor-rifle and tank units have been performing fine, Kadyrov's forces doing very well, cruise missiles all hit their targets, Rosgvardia is performing great at keeping control and patrolling. Intel on the ground seems to be great. Humanitarian aid is also being dished out.
    The initial op at demoralization of Ukrainian forces before the invasion worked as well, but only initially.

    Don't know anything about SSO, FSB, GRU Spetsnaz, and what their performance has been like. We won't hear about it of course.
    How strong is guerilla warfare going to be?

    Russia has little time to force a political resolution

    Those Ukrainian troops in the north Donbass cauldron can be used as bargaining chips. The Ukrainian garrison in Kharkov too.

    If it doesn't work so then Russia will have to withdraw more to the east of the country. Kharkov, Odessa, Nikolayev, Kherson. Declare a new Ukrainian state (Ukrainian Federation for example), and form up a local army, using the DNR/LNR armies as a core. There is no point staying around Kiev, in my view.

    But of course I'm not a military strategist and I don't know what the plans are. But attempts at staying in any part of central Ukraine, maybe with the exception of Sumy - are going to lead to a lot of Russian casualties, and civilian ones too. The east is more manageable. Even though Russia shouldn't have gone anywhere into the Ukraine the first place, in my view.


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    Post  Urluber Sat Mar 05, 2022 4:48 pm

    rigoletto wrote:West uses Moldova to supply arms to Ukraine

    Various sources are spreading information that Moldova serves as an intermediary for
    the supply of lethal weapons from NATO to the Ukrainian Armed Forces through the airfield
    in Marculesti.

    If everything they say turns out to be true, we can conclude that Moldova is undermining the
    constitutional order, one of the foundations of which is the neutral status of the country.


    https://en.news-front.info/2022/03/05/west-uses-moldova-to-supply-arms-to-ukraine/

    Moldova should be liberated also while on the move.
    But seriously: Moldova, yesterday I think, made a pledge to join the EU. Western powers are on offensive.
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    Post  ALAMO Sat Mar 05, 2022 4:50 pm

    Moldova is a poorer Romania.
    Let them hold the flag of the biggest shithole in Europe, while Ukraine is out of the contest.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Mar 05, 2022 4:51 pm

    Part of a massive operation currently underway

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    Mission: regiment jihadis of Islamic Party of Turkestan, led by one Azizi Douti.

    They'll be shipped to Lviv via Poland early next week.

    Salary: $3,000 a month.

    Who's paying?

    EU "financial assistance" to Kiev.


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