Ukraine situation after DPR, LPR recognition by Russia

Lot of hysteria about those sanctions but the only one imposed are not on Russia but those two republics by US.

Europe need Russian gas. Even without NS2 they will buy through the other pipeline anyway.

And once it calms down, they will restart NS2 because they need it.

Isos wrote:Lot of hysteria about those sanctions but the only one imposed are not on Russia but those two republics by US.

Europe need Russian gas. Even without NS2 they will buy through the other pipeline anyway.

And once it calms down, they will restart NS2 because they need it.

This is the time to buy stocks and crypto. It's all down ATM.

This is not the case. I dont think people here realize how precarious the situation is. I also get the feeling the chinese are backing off of their previous loud statements of support for russia. Fucking chinese have always been duplicitous and untrustworthy. If Russia is going this path then I think they dont have too many other options. Flaming Python. What other choices are available? Have you seen America and UK's acts and media manipulations? You talk as if Russia has all the options and thry are just carelessly pushing to war.

Options?

Supply the DNR/LNR with more artillery and make the Ukrainians take losses every time they try shelling

Or bait them into trying something, with no Russian forces on the border.

At the end of the day, Russia's ultimatum was to NATO, not to the Ukraine. Find other ways to create problems for them.

There are actually lots of options. The 'option' that has been taken instead is cynical, and yes indeed, will cause many problems for Russia internationally, sanctions or no sanctions. It can expand war over the territory of the Ukraine. It will increasingly expose divides in Russian society. Whoever thought this was a good idea must have been on crack. And this whole dressing down and intimidation of Naryshkin, Putin playing it cool like Stalin, assuming it wasn't an act.

Russia can end up in proper isolation. This behavior creates problems for everyone. And the economic situation creates problems for everyone, not only Europe. Fertilizer prices are sky high around the world, the same Brazilian president skipped over to Russia in part to secure supplies. Food crisis. Gas prices sky high. China itself is probably not interested in a complete break in Russian-European relations.

Russia publicly committed to not invading, and to recognizing the territorial integrity of the Ukraine just over the past few weeks. Now it has violated all the same positions. Who can take Russian diplomacy or commitments seriously now? This is not just a question of NATO and the US.

Isos wrote:Lot of hysteria about those sanctions but the only one imposed are not on Russia but those two republics by US.

Europe need Russian gas. Even without NS2 they will buy through the other pipeline anyway.

And once it calms down, they will restart NS2 because they need it.

Of course they will restart it somewhere silently. It is not like the pipeline is going to dissapear, it is lasting infrastructure.
for the forseeable future anyway, the thing is brand-new.

And in the meantime, ill just wear an extra sweater or run another PC benchmark to stay warm.

The west is just pathetic with its over the top,statesman-unworthy rethoric...and subsequent actions.

"grave consequences and sanctions".
"Putin will pay a price"
...."we sanction LPR/DPR and the people involved".

wow, that ammounts like to....absolutely nothing.
Since Ukraine already cut water,power and payments to these regions and everything came trough russia anyway.

I hope it does not escalate in a bloodbath, I am of opinion tough Putin is right in doing this and i understand his decision.

I do wonder tough how Zelensky's experienced all his meetings....

Arkanghelsk wrote:The consistency and resolve of Russia is undoubted

Had this been commies they would have shit their pants and packed up and run home despite overwhelming advantage

Like they did in every engagement with the west during cold war

This is Russia doing what is right and playing the cards it has

Oil has broken 100 per barrel

Keep calm and support Russia

You are a spin doctor. You claimed Russia wouldn’t get directly sanctioned and they wouldn’t cancel nord stream 2.

Big sanctions on Russia today. Should have just invaded.

Airbornewolf wrote:

Isos wrote:Lot of hysteria about those sanctions but the only one imposed are not on Russia but those two republics by US.

Europe need Russian gas. Even without NS2 they will buy through the other pipeline anyway.

And once it calms down, they will restart NS2 because they need it.

Of course they will restart it somewhere silently. It is not like the pipeline is going to dissapear, it is lasting infrastructure.
for the forseeable future anyway, the thing is brand-new.

And in the meantime, ill just wear an extra sweater or run another PC benchmark to stay warm.

The west is just pathetic with its over the top,statesman-unworthy rethoric...and subsequent actions.

"grave consequences and sanctions".
"Putin will pay a price"
...."we sanction LPR/DPR and the people involved".

wow, that ammounts like to....absolutely nothing.
Since Ukraine already cut water,power and payments to these regions and everything came trough russia anyway.

I hope it does not escalate in a bloodbath, I am of opinion tough Putin is right in doing this and i understand his decision.

I do wonder tough how Zelensky's experienced all his meetings....

My mining rigs now allows me to turn off my furnace. I just have the heat pulled from the basement to upstairs from the recirculation vent.

Oil is 91 a barrel, not 100.

Arkanghelsk wrote:

bitcointrader70 wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:The consistency and resolve of Russia is undoubted

Had this been commies they would have shit their pants and packed up and run home despite overwhelming advantage

Like they did in every engagement with the west during cold war

This is Russia doing what is right and playing the cards it has

Oil has broken 100 per barrel

Keep calm and support Russia

You are a spin doctor. You claimed Russia wouldn’t get directly sanctioned and they wouldn’t cancel nord stream 2.

Big sanctions on Russia today. Should have just invaded.

Oil is at 100 per barrel

So whatever the bankrupt west do, they better make it stick

There were no big sanctions. Against some banks and individuals. DNR and LNR got sanctioned. Same shit every year- banks and individuals. Woweee..

So bitcoinretard is spewing stupidity yet again.

miketheterrible wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:

bitcointrader70 wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:The consistency and resolve of Russia is undoubted

Had this been commies they would have shit their pants and packed up and run home despite overwhelming advantage

Like they did in every engagement with the west during cold war

This is Russia doing what is right and playing the cards it has

Oil has broken 100 per barrel

Keep calm and support Russia

You are a spin doctor. You claimed Russia wouldn’t get directly sanctioned and they wouldn’t cancel nord stream 2.

Big sanctions on Russia today. Should have just invaded.

Oil is at 100 per barrel

So whatever the bankrupt west do, they better make it stick

There were no big sanctions. Against some banks and individuals. DNR and LNR got sanctioned.  Same shit every year- banks and individuals.  Woweee..

So bitcoinretard is spewing stupidity yet again.

Guess you don’t watch the news. Yesterday was against republics. Today Biden is coming out swinging against Russia. Cope harder dog.

Should have just blitzed Kiev than pulled back and built military bases.

bitcointrader70 wrote:Guess you don’t watch the news. Yesterday was against republics. Today Biden is coming out swinging against Russia. Cope harder dog.

Should have just blitzed Kiev than pulled back and built military bases.

Yeah the old move against Saddam Hussein in Kuwait.

I have nothing much to say. I was shocked by Putin's speech. Even if it is part of the game, it's simply unacceptable to say such things.

I did not see the necessity of recognizing the DNR/LNR either. Kiev did not break Minsk outright. The whole phony war was a farce, and it's unclear who kicked things off. No Russian soldiers were killed. There was no justification for Russian forces entering the regions.
Moreover many Western countries were at least giving the appearance of undertaking diplomatic efforts. And appearance is important. All of them affirmed the Minsk agreements.

SO I don't know what now. How Russia will get out of this. And again, it's not just a matter of NATO and the US. You really can't break the international order so blatantly.
Putin forced all his security council members to publicly voice the preference of recognizing the DNR/LNR. This means they're all in it together with him.

flamming_python wrote:

bitcointrader70 wrote:Guess you don’t watch the news. Yesterday was against republics. Today Biden is coming out swinging against Russia. Cope harder dog.

Should have just blitzed Kiev than pulled back and built military bases.

Yeah the old move against Saddam Hussein in Kuwait.

I have nothing much to say. I was shocked by Putin's speech. Even if it is part of the game, it's simply unacceptable to say such things.

I did not see the necessity of recognizing the DNR/LNR either. Kiev did not break Minsk outright. The whole phony war was a farce, and it's unclear who kicked things off. No Russian soldiers were killed. There was no justification for Russian forces entering the regions.
Moreover many Western countries were at least giving the appearance of undertaking diplomatic efforts. And appearance is important. All of them affirmed the Minsk agreements.

SO I don't know what now. How Russia will get out of this. And again, it's not just a matter of NATO and the US. You really can't break the international order so blatantly.
Putin forced all his security council members to publicly voice the preference of recognizing the DNR/LNR. This means they're all in it together with him.

Are you fucking dumb?

Attacking and sending troops to the LOC was direct violation of Minsk.

Biden coming out swinging. LOL.

Bitcoin? You are beyond stupid. I aint the one that needs to COPE, it's you. It's blatantly obvious that they got nothing and will sit back, cry and throw punitive sanctions like always. While Biden shits himself.

flamming_python wrote:
I have nothing much to say. I was shocked by Putin's speech. Even if it is part of the game, it's simply unacceptable to say such things.
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Well, I understand your perception and share part of the worries.
His words were actually quite scary to let's say Kazachstan.
However, I hardly believe he would say this as a mistake, and I suppose it is more a warning to the newly establishing Kazach elites.

Folks, this situation obviously wakes a devil inside some of you.
Maybe you should take a beer? Cold one? On me?

Broski,  he will dance in circles and not actually give you an answer. It will be half answers that don't mean anything and would have made situations worst.

This didn't cause any split in Russian society. He is liberal, in other words, he sides with the morons who are a fringe. Rest of Russia support this. Don't worry, he has nothing to show or prove.

Arkanghelsk wrote:https://oilprice.com/

Brent crude sitting pretty at 97 per barrel

This is fantastic for Russian budget , all the sovereign wealth funds will just grow at even faster pace

There Is no need for treasuries or interactions in foreign currency


It's raining rubles baby

The banks will be flooded with foreign currency anyway from high export amount.

Any you like bro, any!

New toys for donbass security .. courtesy of Russian military.

Chill out.

The recognition is not a random or impulsive decision.
It is part of a planned and executed process that is still ongoing.
Military action is still not off the table. Diplomacy has not stopped either.

The sanctions are applied, the collective West has used all its cards. There is nothing more they can or will do.
With zero military support from NATO and with the advise Mr. Z is getting to abandon Kiev and move to Lvov, I see little fighting spirit or motivation left in 404's army.
The gates of Kiev are now wide open in case Russian and/or LDNR forces want to take it. There will be little (if any) resistance.

At this stage "country 404" is indeed 404.


Edit: A video from Wargonzo showing 2 Ukrainian trucks being ATGM'ed by LDNR forces.