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    Ukraine situation after DPR, LPR recognition by Russia

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    Post  George1 Thu Feb 24, 2022 12:49 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    bitcointrader70 wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    There is way to spin this by Garry b and archangesk claiming Russia doesn’t care about Kiev or Ukraine when Putin is giving speeches about Ukrainian history on the internet.

    Man this is bad for Russia indeed. The only mistake the west made is that they haven’t given Putin an off ramp. And a well executed invasion has the potential to flip the world on its head.

    They didn't care about Ukraine for years. What changed is the US trying to bring them into Nato.

    The only thing that an invasion can make is make Russia bigger. Ukraine can't resist and no one will move to save them. They just gave away Ukraine.

    Russia will have a population of 200 million people and get the biggest country in europe as a bonus.

    USA totally failed their coup. I guess  new cold war woud suit them because they lost all their hot wars in the middle east and they need a constant war to be alive but the rest of the world won't side with them and still work peacefully with Russia. So no hot wars and no cold war which means fall of the USA

    Saying they didn’t care about it Ukraine for years is a straight up lie. They provided tons of cheap gas, ridiculously favorable loans, debt forgiveness, etc…. To keep them in Russia’s orbit. And all it took was a few nato backed skinheads backed by a few years of propaganda to counteract all of what Russia was trying to do. Moscow got fucking evicted from Kiev. The hard way and tumbled down the stairs.

    And there isn’t 40 million people left in that shit hole. The American backed puppet state ran most of the normal people out. If Russia does invade and take over they will be ruling over a pile of dog shit with a hugely hostile population.

    I really. Really really. Really don't see how in any shape, form, dimension, geodesic, singularity - see how this could all possibly have even been conceived, as a 'good idea'

    The LDNR is battling the Ukrainian army now. There are a number of zombified districts even in the Donetsk and Lugansk oblasts. Mariupol - well zombified; I can provide videos. Slavyansk, little is heard from it nowadays but last I saw it was zombified too. Even though both of those originally were held by the DNR and ordinary civilians there tried to fight off the Ukrainian army that came into town.
    The northern districts of the Lugansk region were never in the LNR at any time, they belong to a different historical area really than the Donbass.

    And that's not taking into account the possibility of the Russian regular army invading the Ukraine. Which it's in a position to do. Albeit I hope no such decision is being considered.

    According to one poll, 45% of Russians support recognizing the DNR/LNR, while 40% are against it.
    There is another poll that suggests much more support for the move.
    Either way society is divided. And as for invading the Ukraine outright, I don't imagine who would support such an insane move.

    could we have at least one video? Smile
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    Post  Airbornewolf Thu Feb 24, 2022 12:53 am

    you got to be kidding right?.

    Turkish Airforce just joined the Chat.....
    https://www.flightradar24.com/TUAF600/2aeb6f7d

    Edit: second Turkish AF bound North, just took off.
    https://www.flightradar24.com/TUAF601/2aeb8c98

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Feb 24, 2022 12:57 am

    How is that a surprise? the turks aren't trust worthy at all.

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    Post  George1 Thu Feb 24, 2022 12:58 am

    auslander wrote:The entire north border of Krimu with Ukraine is now closed, shut down tight. No one in, no one out. Period.

    The border of DNR/LNR is shut, no one allowed in, civilians can cross to Russia. This confirms what we saw this afternoon coming back from the 35th Battery event.

    The fight for the rest of DNR/LNR will start by week's end. It is unknown if Russian forces will be involved but the leash is off NAF.

    The hunt is on for anyone who was involved in killing civilians in DNR/LNR, Odessa and the Korson Massacre of the Krimean civilians returning from Maidan debacle.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:01 am

    The NAF cannot oppose the Ukrainian army, if they are going to try and seize the entire oblast then the russians will need to commit.
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    Post  franco Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:06 am

    Airbornewolf wrote:you got to be kidding right?.

    Could be to evacuate their UAV tech's and trainers...

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    Post  Airbornewolf Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:12 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:How is that a surprise? the turks aren't trust worthy at all.

    well, it really is not.
    I would have made a snazzy comment about backstabbin'.....but i have no idea to the purpose of these flights.
    Maybe evac flight for Embassy personell. Turkey has an embassy in Kiev.

    Common sense would suggest Erdo would not burn bridges with Russia over an lost cause like Ukraine.

    We will find out sooner or later if they have another purpose than evacuating their embassy staff.
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    Post  franco Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:14 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:The NAF cannot oppose the Ukrainian army, if they are going to try and seize the entire oblast then the russians will need to commit.

    You mean the Ukrainian army trained by the same people that trained the Afghan army or Georgian army in 2008. Twisted Evil

    Embarassed couldn't resist

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:19 am

    lol1  Embarassed  Razz  clown  pwnd

    Ukraine is experiencing problems with the operation of the Bayraktar TB2 UAV due to the lack of good airfields

    According to the RIA Novosti news agency, Ukraine is experiencing problems with the operation of Turkish Bayraktar TB2 unmanned aerial vehicles due to the lack of suitable runways, Ukrainian military analyst, chairman of the board of the Ukrainian military center Taras Chmut said, the corresponding video was posted on YouTube. Turkish-made Bayraktar TB2 unmanned aerial vehicle (tail number "72 blue") as part of the 10th separate naval aviation brigade of the Ukrainian Navy. Kulbakino airfield (Mykolaiv region), July 2021 (c) Ministry of Defense of Ukraine

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    According to Chmut, runways are one of the problems in general for Ukrainian aviation. "This is a problem that we live with, and which we must solve in any case, except for one thing - if we abandon aviation," Chmut said.

    According to the expert, only large airfields used by civil aviation are suitable for heavy Turkish Akinci drones, while military airfields are only “theoretically” suitable for them.

    "This is a matter of resource and resource of the struts (an element of the landing gear. - ed.). For example, Bayraktar (TB2 delivered to Kiev. - ed.), which are lighter, we had problems with the struts. There is a concept of take-off and landing resource , and if you need to change racks every three takeoffs and landings, then this is such a story, not really," Chmut said.

    He added that Ukraine needs to "do something" with the runways at the airfields of the Air Force, since the existing Soviet ones are not suitable in this case.

    In 2018-2020, Ukraine imported Bayraktar TV2 Turkish attack unmanned aerial systems, the purchase of which took about $74 million. In early February, President Volodymyr Zelensky announced that Ukraine and Turkey had signed an agreement

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4484984.html

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:25 am

    franco wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:The NAF cannot oppose the Ukrainian army, if they are going to try and seize the entire oblast then the russians will need to commit.

    You mean the Ukrainian army trained by the same people that trained the Afghan army or Georgian army in 2008. Twisted Evil

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    NAF is not Russia, NAF cannot win alone, they would die trying.
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    Post  Isos Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:26 am

    Airbornewolf wrote:you got to be kidding right?.

    Turkish Airforce just joined the Chat.....
    https://www.flightradar24.com/TUAF600/2aeb6f7d

    Edit: second Turkish AF bound North, just took off.
    https://www.flightradar24.com/TUAF601/2aeb8c98

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    Evacuation of turkish ambassy maybe ?
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    Post  lancelot Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:27 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:And USA will feel MAX PAIN when the titanium exports are barred ,

    As for US sanctions, meh there are no US treasuries anyway so fuggit

    With inflationary crisis currently wiping out US savings, along with housing bubble, derivatives crisis, Energy inflation, and now Titanium ban, 

    Pindos are in for MAX PAIN

    I do not think the US realizes what Russia can do if they are up to it. After what happened in Belarus and Kazakhstan recently both those leaders owe Putin a favor. A big one. If Russia coordinates sanctions together with the rest of the EEU (Eurasian Economic Union) even a titanium embargo's impact would be much magnified. If I was Putin I would not make an embargo but target specific companies like Boeing and put tariffs in place for others. The sanctions should be targeted.

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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:34 am

    I don't think anything will happen tonight. This is a case of ratcheting tensions higher and, maybe, testing Ukr PVO reaction.
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    Post  lyle6 Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:35 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    NAF is not Russia, NAF cannot win alone, they would die trying.
    Neither here nor there but the baby twins have a very capable mother, while Ukraine has no one? Not even the Baltic chihuahuas batting for them Razz

    Airbornewolf wrote:you got to be kidding right?.

    Turkish Airforce just joined the Chat.....
    https://www.flightradar24.com/TUAF600/2aeb6f7d

    Edit: second Turkish AF bound North, just took off.
    https://www.flightradar24.com/TUAF601/2aeb8c98

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    You typically get up off the couch when the wife is vacuuming underneath it next.

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    Post  George1 Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:47 am

    Zelensky thinks that dealing with Russia can be funny as his comedy movies..i see him turning to drama films in a while

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    Post  Vann7 Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:52 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    NAF is not Russia, NAF cannot win alone, they would die trying.[/quote]


    Irrelevant comment..

    Nobody is fighting alone in the ukraine conflict or any conflict.
    Ukraine alone will not exist even today as a country, without the economic aid and loans from the west. And without military aid , the not even an army today operating since ukraine is bankrupt and all the the money for the war comes from NATO.

    So ukrainian army is being significantly helped by NATO ,including english speaking mercenaries and heavy weapons support and logistics.. and the donbas forces are helped by Russia.. neither ukraine , neither donbass alone could do much.. that's why you have US,NATO and Russia aiding the sides they support.

    Talking about what can NAF do or not is silly.. no wars today happen solo.. you always talk about totally unrealistic scenarios , as when you were saying Americans were "winning in syria" when they not.

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    Post  George1 Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:02 am

    Vann7 wrote:

    Irrelevant comment..

    Nobody is fighting alone in the ukraine conflict or any conflict.
    Ukraine alone will not exist even today as a country, without the economic aid and loans from the west. And without military aid , the not even an army today operating since ukraine is bankrupt and all the the money for the war comes from NATO.

    So ukrainian army is being significantly helped by NATO ,including english speaking mercenaries and heavy weapons support and logistics.. and the donbas forces are helped by Russia..  neither ukraine , neither donbass alone could do much.. that's why you have US,NATO and Russia aiding the sides they support.

    Talking about what can NAF do or not is silly.. no wars today happen solo.. you always talk about totally unrealistic scenarios , as when you were saying Americans were "winning in syria" when they not.


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    Post  bitcointrader70 Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:15 am

    Rebels can’t do anything on their own. They probably can’t even use toilet paper properly . Reminder to people on this forum how the Russian military bailed them out in 2014. And continue to bail them out everyday.

    Without the threat of Russian air incursion and russia smuggling SAMs into Donbas Ukraine/turkey drone operators would be eating n asty 30 cent porridge while blowing the rebels to bits. They are nothing without Russia. The delusions of grandeur on this site by some people is laughable.
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    Post  PhSt Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:42 am

    toilettrader70 wrote:Rebels can’t do anything on their own. They probably can’t even use toilet paper properly

    Provide visual proof or you're a jerk. Back on topic, I cant wait for your city to get obliterated by Russian nukes russia

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    Post  Backman Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:45 am

    bitcointrader70 wrote:Rebels can’t do anything on their own. They probably can’t even use toilet paper properly . Reminder to people on this forum how the Russian military bailed them out in 2014. And continue to bail them out everyday.

    Without the threat of Russian air incursion and russia smuggling SAMs into Donbas Ukraine/turkey drone operators would be eating n asty 30 cent porridge while blowing the rebels to bits. They are nothing without Russia. The delusions of grandeur on this site by some people is laughable.

    You've been watching too much CNN. The rebels were pissed at the lack of support they were getting from Russia in 2014.

    Did you think Russia rolled a battalion into the Donbass in 2014 or something ? They probably should have but they didn't.

    Mh17 wouldn't have happened either of Russia proper took control of the fight in the Donbas.


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    Post  lyle6 Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:46 am


    Bravest Ukrainian soldier Wink

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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:54 am

    It's on.

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    Post  sundoesntrise Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:54 am

    Looks like Big V. took the leap.

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