The Situation in the Ukraine. #31

This is a documentary that was made in September but its worth watching in full.

Russian officials keep repeating that Russia is not going to invade anywhere. At the same time, they make it clear that they will not leave unanswered a possible offensive by the Ukrainian armed forces in Donbass or a provocation against the civilian population of the unrecognized republics of Donetsk and Lugansk.

Kommersant's interlocutors in the state structures of the Russian Federation say that various ideas are being discussed, including, for example, the recognition of the independence of these entities with the official introduction of the Russian armed forces there. However, more radical ideas are being discussed behind closed doors.

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5154624

The Americans have just thrown the Europeans and the Ukrainians under the bus. And the Americans will negotiate with Russia directly leaving out the Europeans and Ukrainians. Europeans and Ukrainians will be bought in the 2nd meeting and the 3rd meeting respectively.

January 9-11 - The Big Boys, the Big Super Powers, Russia and the USA will negotiate in Geneva.

January 12- The "EU NATO Allies" will be brought in and told what the Big Boys have talked about/Decided. This is in Brussels. The Americans and Russians will be here.

January 13- Ukrainians will be bought in and told what to do. This is in Brussels. The Americans and Russians will be here.

My opinion : Russia asked guarantees it knows very well US would never accept and they said they won't negociate. So they are very likely going to take ovee Ukraine or bomb the shit out of them to make it of no use for NATO.

Thanks Par Far. I haven't seen a video from him in a long time.

Russia does not want the Ukraine, not if the population is hostile to them being there.

If they wanted to seize Ukraine and bomb them they could have also taken Georgia too in a similar manner which would have solved problems with Armenias isolation from them.

Russia was overjoyed at saakashvilis stupidity, and they will be just as happy if Zelensky is stupid enough to attack too because then the solution is easy... beat back the aggressor, set up peace keeping forces while the locals have a referendum on what they want to do and I would say most of the time they will want independence from the country that just tried to murder them... it is just a given.

Russia then allows the locals to form all the entities they need to operate as an independent region... provide security guarantees and then withdraw most of the forces leaving a token force to assure the locals if the dickheads try anything again they wont be abandoned.

Open border for trade and let the small new region trade and grow and develop on its own... if they work they improve their lot... if they expect handouts they will shrivel up.

Russia does not need to financial burden of having to fix all of the Ukraine and if they invaded they would feel obligated to do so. The west could care less their proxy cannon fodder front line meat shield is dying... they are there to justify perpetual sanctions against Russia.

Isos wrote:My opinion : Russia asked guarantees it knows very well US would never accept and they said they won't negociate. So they are very likely going to take ovee Ukraine or bomb the shit out of them to make it of no use for NATO.

They won't.
As I said, Ukraine presents no asset for them other than human resources.
Those are already heavily depleted.
I know that some of you may not believe just hearing that, because it is something unbelievable to be honest, but they REALLY lost 1/3rd of the population in the just 7 years.
Everybody who has two hands and a head, and wants to work & live a normal life, is gone.
Even the eastern part of Ukr, the most pro-Russian, is still split in half. That was the situation when they pretended the 2014 referendums&votings, and that only deepened.
Even when Putin is addressing the closing of NATO to Moscow ... well, he has clue, but the clue is irrelevant.
It is all flexing the muscles, and a try to catch as much as they can, as long they have an obvious military edge.
Owning the Kaliningrad, they have the possibility to deploy striking means 1.5 min from Warsaw, 3 minutes from Berlin, and 5 minutes from London and Paris.
Iskanders are already there, who would forbid them to build "USKS Ashore" and fill it up with Cirkons?
The only real difference to them is the fact, that it won't change the potential of striking targets in the CONUS.
But they can keep in a safe distance a routine patrol of 885M soon enough not to bother.

Ukrainian TV reporting about hunger in Ukraine.

medo wrote:

Ukrainian TV reporting about hunger in Ukraine.

No auto translate on this video. Anyone know exactly what is said?

What is to be expected.
The girl starts with a Kievian restaurant, where the NY Eve menu is caviar&French champagne. The average cost for a table - $1000.
Then she visits some "milionnik", that is a million citizens city. If you ask me, it is Charkow.
Some statistics, that 9 MILLION of Ukr citizens are hungry, according to UNICEF data, and 1 MILLION are starving.
Pensions in a range od 2600-3500 UAH, that is $100-150.
The enormous cost of living, including communal payments & heating.
Out of 3200UAH pension (6:30) 2600UAH is the cost of app only.
3500UAH pensions and 2500UAH of app costs (7:00).
The "3D" concept of living - "dojedajem, dozywajem, donaszajem", what translates to eating what is possible to get, living waiting for the end of life, and wearing the clothes you owned for years. No hope.
They can afford eating potatoes, bread and kasha. No meat in diet, too expensive. Some of them claim that forgot the taste already.
One of babushkas is telling, that for Xmas she will be visited by her friends that live in a village, so the will bring some food, maybe even a hen for a soup.
The food they get, need to be divided for smaller portions and feed them for several days.
In general, it is the picture of Russian Federation in the early 90s, with just the same stories.

Isos wrote:My opinion : Russia asked guarantees it knows very well US would never accept and they said they won't negociate. So they are very likely going to take ovee Ukraine or bomb the shit out of them to make it of no use for NATO.

Today is different from 2008. Georgia was far enough away. Remember Putin's words: "We know the state of your (US) development on supersonic missiles. We know when you will have them. You will not deploy them tomorrow. No, but they will give them to the fascists in Ukraine on their behalf. They will then be only 4 minutes away from Moscow. We can no longer withdraw. "What does that mean? Well, that he either gets credible full guarantees and that quickly (day X is already fixed today) or he will have to make an occupation on day X with all the consequences. Means to Poland 25km buffer zone, lake and air blockade until there are guarantees and if not he will regulate it militarily. Better isolation and sanctions instead of fascists in 2035 with hypersonic missiles and CIA weapons control officers who then wipe out Moscow in 4 minutes. No thank you!

kvs wrote:Zelensky is shown boasting that the Ukr GDP has increased to a level higher than before "independence".
He must mean 2014 and his claim is a total lie.   The Ukrian GDP crashed by 30% between 2013 and 2015.
We have discussed this on this board already and some dismissed it.   Well, the Donbass was 25% of Ukria's
GDP and Ukria lost its Russian export market which accounted for about 30% of its exports.   The GDP is
not homogeneously distributed in a country.   So it cannot be scaled by the fractional population of Ukria
without the Donbass and Crimea.  

The World Bank is running propaganda cover for Ukria.   Rather obvious considering it is a NATzO dominated
institution.   Ukria's GDP is likely 50% of what it was in 2013.   The systematic contraction of rump Ukria's
industries since 2014 is ongoing.   Ukria now has to import food even though its claim to fame was being
a bread basket.   Video game development and internet economics are not saving it.   So the UNICEF
numbers are highly dubious.   They rely on Kiev regime statistics which are clearly fake.

There was a window in 2014 when the Ukrian statistics agency was still reporting real numbers (giving us
a good source for the 30% GDP drop) but then magically from late 2015 everything got rosy.   Total faking
of the numbers.   The Kiev regime requires such faking to stay in power and anyone who doubts this is
an idiot.

Well it's all pretty obvious even by the statistics

From Tale of Bygone Years, the chronicle of Kievan Rus:

Around the year 882:
Disguised as a merchantman and together with Rurik's still young son Igor, Knyaz Oleg of Novgorod sailed on the Dniepr and docked into the pier in Kiev. Eager to trade, the city's self-proclaimed princes Askold and Dir who had seized the power there years ago came to meet the boat at the dock.
"You are no Prince" said Oleg upon disembarking. "Here is the son of Rurik, he is the real prince of this land"... He slayed both Askold and Dir.
By doing so, Knyaz Oleg laid the foundation of the powerful state of Kievan Rus with Kiev as its capital for centuries to come...

History will repeat itself.

I feel personally ashamed, if any of you find that funny.
It is not.
We are talking millions of decent citizens and humans, living in a miserable state, because someone found it funny,
Dont be "someone".
Those people worked hard, for years, for its country.
We should respect them, first of all.

ALAMO wrote:I feel personally ashamed, if any of you find that funny.
It is not.
We are talking millions of decent citizens and humans, living in a miserable state, because someone found it funny,
Dont be "someone".
Those people worked hard, for years, for its country.
We should respect them, first of all.

What are you talking about?
Where are the laughs?

thegopnik wrote:...EDIT: never mind https://vip-popki.net/prostitutka-kiev/ there actually is something worth invading Ukraine for.......Cheaper prices over there than back at home

In this case you want to go with most expensive option available, hygiene is important and usually comes with far superior looking product

The problem is that the people who created the situation are not the ones who are suffering its consequences, so it is the same old same old...

The US puts harsh sanctions on Cuba to punish the government there and it is the people who suffer and struggle because of it... same in Venzuela and North Korea and Iran.

For Russia the suffering of the people from western sanctions were limited and short lived and the results have been greater independence and more Russian products on offer for Russian customers instead of just foreign crap.

It is hard not to feel sorry for these people in the Ukraine, but then we know of one old babushka that worked for the Ukrainians in the Crimea and was caught... I wont feel sorry for her if they sent her "home".

ALAMO wrote:
The only real difference to them is the fact, that it won't change the potential of striking targets in the CONUS.
But they can keep in a safe distance a routine patrol of 885M soon enough not to bother.

They can also deploy missile weapons in Chukotka or Kamchatka. Thanks to hypersonic weapons, they can hit ABM installations in Alaska very quickly. Additionally, it is about 4000 km to the West Coast of the USA, so they can put some IRBM or even a GLCM like Calibr M. CONUS there, is very poorly protected against cruise missiles. An IRBM can be built, the final stage of which will be the Cirkon missile

GarryB wrote:The problem is that the people who created the situation are not the ones who are suffering its consequences, so it is the same old same old...
The US puts harsh sanctions on Cuba to punish the government there and it is the people who suffer and struggle because of it... same in Venzuela and North Korea and Iran.
For Russia the suffering of the people from western sanctions were limited and short lived and the results have been greater independence and more Russian products on offer for Russian customers instead of just foreign crap.
It is hard not to feel sorry for these people in the Ukraine, but then we know of one old babushka that worked for the Ukrainians in the Crimea and was caught... I wont feel sorry for her if they sent her "home".

Because it is a real goal of sanctions. To make the population starve, leading to unrests and revolts against it's rulers.
It is a mainstay of the theory.